Vendors are struggling with implementing the new 14nm Intel chips that were originally promised to be fan free and require no heat sink -- and they turned out to actually need a heat sink and/or a fan RATHER DESPERATELY on some of these new 14nm Intel processors due to extreme thermal sensitivity and 2x-3x CPU thermal throttling that is taking place due to some relatively mild CPU temperature increases.

This means the total finished products needed to be redesigned at the last minute to include fans and/or heat sinks, or else if it was simply too too late in the product design process to do that then the designs went forward and the product CPU now throttles itself by 2x-3x depending on how hot the chip actually gets in normal use .....

..... and those end user customers who bought these products simply got screwed.

End users are now asking that the Antutu and other tests be run at full bore for at least a half an hour at full processor speed and the products Antutu results be reported off that fully warmed up state, whatever that turns out to be.

This is fair and should be applied across the board since Qualcomm's early 810 production chipsets from TSMC are now showing up to have thermal throttling issues as well.

Customers should NOT be fed funny numbers to get them to buy a product, numbers like Intel's original 14nm CPU speed numbers taken while the processor was cold matched up with some post throttling super low current draw numbers.   This is simple misleading doctored information.

And Intel, renaming the issue as "turbo mode" and trying to spin it as a "feature" is totally ludicrous BS -- Intel must think end users are really really stupid (and the ones who buy at Best Buy and who do no internet research first may fit that bill fairly well).   Really, a "turbo mode" that only operates ONCE and for only the first 10-20 seconds when the unit is first turned on, really, just how dumb do you think we all are?

But I expect all you guys to be better informed and more knowledgeable than that.

Major benchmark tests like Antutu need to recognize this thermal sensitivity issue and TEST FOR IT specifically.   Qualcomm and Intel do not need to get a free pass for misleading their end users, not now and certainly not going forward into the "fanless future".  

And yes, products that cut their speed in half (or worse) after only 20 seconds or so of hard use NEED to be panned by the benchmark testers and should be avoided by the purchasing public.



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http://phandroid.com/2013/10/07/antutu-x-benchmark/

Antutu X is the right sort of idea, but it needs to include thermal throttling as a reported condition and rank chipsets and units according to an averaged hour long test routine to penalize the thermal cheaters and reflect real world end use in games, etc.



HTC got grabbed up by their short curlies right smartly by Antutu X, now didn't they?   I also noticed that this time Samsung came out clean, not cheating at all lately.   Good for them !!

END USERS -- warm it up good then test your own personal product and if it throttles to less than what the ads said that got you to buy it, simply return it as defective, get your money back and be more careful on the rebuy side.

Consider this when rebuying -- does Apple use that particular Intel chipset?  
Intel has been sorting lot after lot of Apple used chipsets plucking out the ones that will pass Apple's very stringent requirements --  and guess who gets the rest of the chips in those lots .....

(you)





Now for the Encouraging viewpoint    ----

Intel will get by this "bumpy zone" and by Skylake time should be past the current set of issues.   They should also have a handle on how to spec the heat sinks and fans that Skylake will likely also require, and they should have them correctly listed in the chipset systems requirements VERY EARLY ON along with the max temps the CPU can be allowed to reach before it begins to throttle itself.

Properly cooled and spec'd, Skylake should lead to better performing units being built with a great deal fewer hacked off initial customers.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of...

Apple and IBM and ARM chipsets .....

Apple and IBM and HP have a long history of cooperative efforts, heck ARM itself is the living offshoot of one of those old Acorn RISC Machine Group efforts.   There is no ill will between Apple and IBM and never has been (both got screwed over badly by Bill Gates, so they certainly have an old enemy in common).

IBM has mostly pulled back from chipmaking, but continued to do development work for ARM and FOSS and cooperated with Samsung and Global Foundry to develop the 14nm production tech that Samsung and Global are still using right now.

Apple has tapped IBM for their wealth of existing business softwares, getting them ported over to OSx so Apple could offer them as part of a resurgence in their business laptop sales.

IBM is also offering new business softwares for iPhone 6,  iPads Macs and other uses.

Something else that IBM has been tapped for and is currently involved in is the development program for OSx on ARM chipsets, specifically for some lower cost Apple business laptops.

Connect the dots along with me -- the same IBM that designed the 14nm production equipment/process with Samsung and Global Foundry is now working with Apple and Samsung directly on 10nm lithography, and doing OS2 derived business software porting for OSx and iPhone and iPad iOS 8.3.  

Remember Lotus Notes?   Yup, IBM owns a lot of core established business softwares that are still in use by Big Business today.   IBM also owns OS2, which is more Apple like than Microsoft like since both Apple and IBM sprang from Unix backgrounds.

IBM is an expert on ARM chipset design and designing production lithography processes and business software.   IBM understands RISC just like Apple does (same Acorn roots, actually).

Apple could suddenly spring something on the world that was quietly penned in secret by their own people and IBM people consorting with Samsung and Global Foundry (both of which have some 14nm production requirements with Apple for next year as well).  

The only one with any 10nm requirements laid on them right now is a REALLY BIG REQUIREMENT that is with Samsung alone since Global can't do 10nm at all right now.  

Only Samsung can do it right now (and Samsung is busy doing it right now).    First to 14nm and now first to 10nm, and currently slugging away at Apple's A-10 chipsets trying to get ready for next spring's new wave of Apple units.   Extra 10nm passes mean slower production rates, so more time is actually needed for the same massive run size.   One dedicated line to start, more later as required to finish.

So, A-10x and A-11 for laptops is still a viable threat to Intel right now, very very much so.

If I were Intel, I'd bust my arse to keep every promise I had made to Apple right now, no matter how many lots of Skylake rejects I had to carefully sort through to find the needed number of known good ones to ship to Apple by the required dates.

Intel is in arrears on delivering something that is already past due RIGHT NOW.   Samsung has already delivered their stuff on time and is working on next years order & delivery.    

Samsung is a generation ahead in the chip lithography race right now, quite frankly Intel has no 10nm process to even use to quote for next year's 10nm Apple stuff.

If I were Intel, I'd make my durn 14nm shipment dates and meet all my price commitments to Apple, no matter what it really cost me.    No matter if it fouled up my own 14nm roll outs, messed up MS even more severely,  etc. etc. etc.

    .... Intel can always rename the piles of rejects something else number-wise, spec them down some and sell them to the PC people and all their fanboys
to go into some sort of mid-range performance Skylake Win10 units later on.

DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF TRYING TO SELL THEM RIGHT AWAY AS PREMIUM UNITS AND BOLLUX UP YET ANOTHER PRODUCT INTRODUCTION --that particular mistake certainly does not need to be repeated again, ever.

Skylake needs to be introduced cleanly, running well with no thermal throttling, etc.

NUMBERS ON CHROMEBOOK AND PC SALES

https://gigaom.com/2015/03/01/chromebook-sales-still-on-the-rise/

"The latest figures from NPD, by way of BetaNews, show that Google Chromebooks are continuing to sell well in the U.S. The research firm estimates that in 2014 Chromebooks accounted for 14 percent of all laptop sales for both the commercial and retail channels; up 85 percent from 2013."



.... wow ....   Chromebooks are up yet again, rolling up to 14% of all laptop sales now.  And the trend is still strong, Chromebooks grew UP 85% from the year previous.



http://liliputing.com/2015/04/pc-shipments-dropped-last-quarter-but-there-wer...

"Researchers at Gartner and IDC have released separate reports that reach the same basic conclusion: PC sales in the first quarter of 2015 were lower than during the same period a year earlier."



.... well, that's bad for Windows PCs ....  all tracking services are reporting continuing quarter on quarter record declines in PC sales and THAT IS WITH MS KILLING OFF XP TO TRY TO DRIVE SOME SALES.  This slump is a consistent trend with 9 consecutive quarters showing a steady decline since 2012.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/global-pc-shipments-fall-in-first-quarter-1428617286

"World-wide shipments of personal computers dropped in the first quarter compared with a year earlier, the ninth such quarterly decline since 2012, according to researcher firm Gartner Inc.

Gartner estimated world-wide PC shipments totaled 71.7 million units, down 5.2% from a year earlier. The Stamford, Conn., firm said a double-digit percentage decline in desktop sales partly was offset by a pickup in sales of notebooks, hybrids and Windows tablets.

The data show the lowest number of PC shipments since the second quarter of 2009, Gartner analyst Mikako Kitagawa said on Thursday. The PC market has been hit hard as corporations slowed the rate at which they refresh employee desktops and consumers increasingly spend their money on tablets and smartphones."




So, Chromebooks are up again and PCs are down again in the first quarter of 2015.  

We are not seeing the MS funded Chromekillers having any positive effect for MS.  
Indeed they seem to have no overall effect on Chromebooks at all.  

This is in-line with the pundit's prediction that the Chromekillers would act to cannibalize MS's own sales of their more expensive mid range laptop units and not really take anything away from Chromebook sales at all.

So, will Win10 be able to slow or stop the ongoing loss of PC market share?    

Will Win10 stop or even slow the advance of the Chromebooks?

      ....  the Chrome War price point is now down to $149 with four new units ringing in all based on the ARM RK3288 chipset -- with no Chromekillers acting at that price point at all yet  ....

http://liliputing.com/2015/04/andromium-os-app-makes-android-more-windows-lik...



This is an Android App, you get it from the Play Store.

Once installed, it turns your Android whatever into a PC like experience suitable for desktop use.

This, plus a strong tablet and a keyboard and a mouse means "instant PC-like workstation".  

This is especially true since MS has put Word, Excel and Powerpoint into the PlayStore in Android formats.

Shuttleworth, your pocket PC is here now ..... using any fairly decent spec'd modern Android tablet or phone with the needed outputs.

 
You know, since MS has piloted the idea of keeping part of your OS up in the cloud and pulling it down only as needed -- well, that opens a lot doors for Google.

Google server farms could offer a full OS instantly to the entire installed base of Chromebooks -- running it off the net as they do now.

Google could do this trick with ANY OS they could get ownership of and then transfer to FOSS.

OS2 comes to mind, should IBM care to contribute that old code to FOSS.

I am looking for Android to grow up more and fuse more actively with ChromeOS or something else to happen to carry Google forward into a full service OS.

Google could formalize the Crouton thing with Linux Debian (or Ubuntu) and provide a seamless fusion between Android Chrome and Linux.

The only thing keeping MS keeping on is Chrome's current perceived weaknesses ......

I've been asking for years now who was going to be the FIRST to actually go do it -- and now HERE IT IS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=-oi1B9fjVs4        It is a YouTube video, so click on it and watch it.





Now, what has MS just done?   Drive a stake in the sand, boys, because Microsoft just killed off the desktop PC for any and all casual Windows users.  

However, they may have also strongly assaulted their own laptop business by doing this as well.  

.....BUT, they are the first to arrive !!!   Kudos to Microsoft !!!

This feature will become available now for any full OS to do since Intel is going to be building the remote monitor, keyboard and mouse tricks right into SkyLake chipsets and MS is building the software into Win10 right now, but not using Intel just yet.  

MS is using ARM chipsets to do this trick right now because it is already built into certain ARM products.

Finally, some evidence that Wintel still might have the ability to make up some sort of a future winning combination between the two of them, sometimes out in the future .....    but not right now, right now belongs to Qualcomm.

Microsoft now swings a couple of advantages, Linux is one (distros run best off of used MS equipment) and now phone in your pocket PC trick is another advantage that Microsoft may indeed develop out in the future.  

For a while, anyway.   Once they finish it.

Google needs to come forth with their ARM general purpose operating system soon and then rally the troops to match all these new features (which were piloted by FOSS people, Ubuntu and ARM in the first place, if you will remember).



.... today's stake in the sand may also signal the resurgence of Microsoft as a significant mobile based player, if they can run with the superphone/PC idea and get it accepted by Big Business as a cost savings trick.



..... so, now how many of you caught the very briefly mentioned words that this Microsoft trick as shown is based off a QUALCOMM chipset -- a pre-existing ARM chipset, and nothing built by Intel?   And that this trick is promised to come out as reality sometimes later on AFTER Win10 debuts, using unnamed chipsets?

Mark Shuttleworth, thank you and Ubuntu for seeing where desktop PC's would wind up going ---- into your hip pocket as your phone.

Well, the good news is that you can buy a 22nm i7 chip set cheap right now and within a year you'll be able to get all kinds of different processors can run all kinds of different things in the same size envelope.