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Reply #270 - 04/14/15 at 18:32:39
 
I don't think that free Wi-Fi or any type of "Free" access to the internet is going to work in the good ol' US of A....
You will either pay with money to access, or pay with information about who you are and what you do while on the "free" server, its already happening in hotels/motels/cafe's etc.....
Its already happening with Google/Microsoft and every other dang OS out there.....
Now they are after what your kids do, and what they are interested in...and guess what? They will fill your spam folder and IE ad sections of your IE page or Firefox, or Chrome Browser.... or your SuzukiSavage.com ad section.....with ads that tell you what your kids like or what you like....which ever makes them more money per ad.
If you are on the net.... it ain't free.... you are being tracked and tagged and put into a little "this is what he likes" box.
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Reply #271 - 04/14/15 at 19:50:27
 

Wink   I just wish Google could get my voice right when it forges all those phone calls I never made yet ..... for free.

Now for today's breaking headline --- Microsoft feels another Chromebook penetration beginning to happen

Smiley    sounds of a faint "Aieeee !!!" and some agonized thrashing comes drifting on the breeze from over at the knee deep piranha stream where MS has been hanging out for a while now.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150327VL201.html

Digitimes Research: Microsoft to push 2 inexpensive notebooks in mid-2015 to counter Chromebook penetration

Sad thing is that the last time MS tried to push back with three $179  inexpensive Bingbooks to counter what they felt were DOZENS AND DOZENS of large throbbing Chromebook penetrations, 'ol MS wound up doing the counter-penetrating thing to themselves instead of to Google (removed a part of their own low end market share and plugged up their own Bing works all at the same time).

In any case MS cannot do anything effective this time until Win10 is out because they NEED the "hide part of the fat porky OS up in the cloud" tricks that came out of the last debacle's attempts to make their $179 chromekillers work right, much less to get any theoretical new $149 chromekillers to work right.

Cheesy      .... so tell me, is it Bingworks or Bungworks when MS does all this aggressive self-penetrating pushing stuff to themselves
with two of them narsty sharp cornered little chromekiller laptops both at the same time no less ???


ouch !    Tongue


Does Microsoft realize they could do a Shuttleworth style docked phone running the whole show thing right now using these same "hide part of the fat porky OS up in the cloud" tricks ???    Intel has the no-cord monitor connection thing down pat now too, so you could leave the phone in your pocket or purse and still run your desktop stuff just dandy.  

Who will be the first to do this?

Roll Eyes     ....  that little "everything running off the phone" hand held unit would hurt a whole lot less going in, now wouldn't it?

Grin    Butt, it could be considered as the "suppository of DEATH" for the desktop world, though, as it will signal the end of full sized desktop units forever.    
(and a fatal blending of mobile computing into mainline computing)

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Reply #272 - 04/15/15 at 05:16:20
 

Having lampooned Microsoft and Intel for a bit, let's say some good things about them.

First, as American companies who were used to competing in America and in working together to crush all budding opposition before the shoots got even knee high -- one has to admire the tenacity Intel and Microsoft have shown going out into new to them emerging markets and trying to hack out a place in the jungle for themselves.

Intel has finally created some chipsets that actually can fit inside the new reality (still have some rough edges on the thermal throttling thing to beat though).

Microsoft has figured out tricky ways to wedge their porker OS into even a small Chromebook sized device (still need to find out how to make it light and quick though).

Both Microsoft and Intel are 200% better than they were 2 years ago.   But then again, so is their competition.

Both realize they are not there yet and are making interim moves right now -- Microsoft has a working name for the OS they are putting out a year after Win10 hits because they KNOW Win10 will not be function complete or completely satisfactory when they push it out.    Intel is in the same boat --Skylake is coming out soon with some thermal flaws in its make up that will keep it less than totally desirable -- but Intel is already planning CannonLake to fix all those uglies.

Because Wintel is getting better, ARM is getting better even faster than it did before.   The new Cortex A-72 CPU cores, faster & bigger data buss and new Mali 880 graphics show potential to be a PC capable processor.   Google has just about tripled the functionality of ChromeOS and has put easy do hooks into the OS to integrate with Android and Linux distros.   People think they are beginning to see a faint outline of a unified Google OS beginning to jell out of the fog.    

Software vendors are busting themselves to get their software out on the web as they see "local loaded" as being a dead pathway going forward.

Mark Shuttleworth's dream of docking your phone and running a "real OS" off of it is completely possible now -- using a standard 2-3 gigs of memory phone from over a dozen phone makers that are out there right now.    Issue is that Android is still keeping folks happy and content enough so they won't jump ship to any of the half dozen alternates that are out there now.   Cyanogen is a separate and respected OS on its own now.

Apple is coming down off the mountain top now, actually competing and making some products that sell for less than a thousand dollars.

This year Apple is content to run some cherry picked Intel processors, as long as they meet Apple's strict standards.   Intel is slowly complying, but that means a pool of "didn't make it" chipsets are hitting Intel's other business partners and causing them some difficulties.   Intel will grow past this just as they have in the past, and their yields will go up to near perfect just like they have before.
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Reply #273 - 04/15/15 at 06:47:38
 

http://wccftech.com/amd-licensing-graphics-radeon-mediatek/

AMD Radeon Graphics Going Into Mobile Mediatek SOCs     I will flat out buy one of these in a year or so, I betcha .....

"It’s worthy of note that both companies are part of the Heterogeneous System Architecture / HSA foundation.  So they’ve worked together before and what they’re working together on will undoubtedly be an HSA enabled graphics solution for mobile SOCs. The HSA distinction is very important here. Especially since we’re talking about ultra low power mobile SOCs, where fractions of a watt can make a considerable difference.

AMD And Mediatek Collaborating On New SOC Graphics Solution

HSA is crucial because it opens a plethora of power saving avenues, after all HSA was put in place to significantly improve both performance and efficiency. It does so by using the graphics and CPU resources opportunistically and simultaneously so that each processor can can handle the workload that suits it best. This simple concept can lead to extraordinary leaps in performance and efficiency.  I’ve covered heterogeneous computing in detail in a previous editorial in which I outlined the single direction that Intel, AMD and Nvidia are all heading towards.

HSA is also important because it’s a competitive advantage that other players in the field have yet to catch up on. AMD’s GCN ‘Graphics Core Next’ is currently the only graphics architecture in the industry which is fully HSA 1.0 compliant. Something Qualcomm has yet to achieve and Nvidia can’t explore because it isn’t a member of the HSA foundation.

AMD’s not new to the ultra-low power space. After all Qualcomm’s extremely successful Adreno line of graphics solutions is based on the AMD design that they acquired from the company back in 2008.  AMD has also already introduced GCN powered Mullin SOCs with SDPs going down to as low as 2.8W, so it’s a space they’ve tackled before. The company also revealed that it has managed achieve the biggest power efficiency leap ever for mainstream APUs with Carrizo. What’s more interesting is that they’ve accomplished that through clever design and a set of new power efficiency features without the help of a new manufacturing process.

This recent development and collaboration with Mediatek bodes well for the potential power efficiency leap we may see with AMD’s future graphics offerings. because what really drove Nvidia’s significant efficiency strides in recent years was its need to compete in the mobile space. So the ultra low power mobile segment will undoubtedly serve as a similar role as a power efficiency catalyst for AMD."


OK, Intel got their hands on a point-in-time snapshot of AMD's graphics IP as part of a legal settlement last year and that single shot of graphics data has been the real largest part of Intel's recent betterment of their Cherry Trail and Skylake product lines.   It certainly hasn't been the self throttling Intel CPU cores ......  

So, Mediatek went directly to the well and found a willing partner in AMD -- AMD is searching for a pathway into the future and partnering with Mediatek is a good way for them to do that.   The two are similar sized companies who both hate Intel (for various good reasons) both of which like ARM and both of whom belong to the same HSA orgs and support the same other open standards groups as well.

Intel is nobody's partner -- they have proven that time after time after time as they use up and drop anybody that tries to partner with them, often suing them at the end into sharing the IP that Intel really wanted in the first place.    Ask Rockchip, Altera, or AMD themselves -- they can tell you all about it.
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Reply #274 - 04/15/15 at 07:24:14
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/04/eu-antitrust-officials-accuse-google-of-abusing...

EU antitrust officials accuse Google of abusing its monopoly position in search, maybe smartphones

"The European Commission has been looking into questions of whether Google has been using its dominant position in search to violate European Union antitrust rules — and the commission has sent a Statement of Objection suggesting that the US-based search company’s shopping comparison system may cross that line.

The Commission has also started looking into whether Google’s handling of the Android operating system may also violate EU antitrust regulations."


Google is in the midst of a cost supported ChromeOS roll out in European School systems and doing other neat things like the free Fi phone thing -- but the EU regulators may indeed screw around with Google enough and eventually get the same reaction the Chinese government did --   "See ya ..."

Then the EU regulators will realize that Google is on the internet and that the net flows everywhere even though Google is no longer "present within the EU" to be penalized by them in any significant fashion.

Europe is not a large market to anyone right now -- Samsung and several other Japanese brands have abandoned it completely as not worth messing with.   If it intentionally becomes a pain in the arse to deal with others may choose likewise.

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Reply #275 - 04/15/15 at 07:43:10
 
What? did google forget to buy enough tickets to the policemans ball?
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Reply #276 - 04/15/15 at 08:06:04
 

I can't think of any Google competitors they are attempting to protect -- Europe lost their last big phone maker when MS bought them (and frittered them away).

Other than a half dozen FOSS Linux distros, I can't think of any "needs protecting" OS candidates at all other than Sailfish out of Norway.

I can't even think of a EU based search engine.

Likely this is a case of a set of regulators feeling like they need to go regulate something or else the people who pay for them will realize they really aren't needed any more.

If this is a privacy thing, then the EU needs to figure out how they are going to protect themselves from MS Explorer, Bing, Yahoo, Firefox, Amazon, Ask, Opera, Ebay and all the rest of them "we can figure out what you like from watching what you ask questions about and from what buy over our systems" crew.

The answer is -- you can't.    They are really just bitching that Google is BETTER at it than the rest are.   And unless the rest of the guys have disappeared in the last week, Google is not any form of monopoly either.

Roll Eyes     .... and to answer the phone stuff, Google just needs to put a click me into the phone set up routine that offers the choice "Use Google + services" and another one that says "No thanks, I'll load my own services".    Guess which one everybody will click on or even if they chose to load separately, over half of the normal set of Google services will be chosen separately anyway.  

Me, I'd do that just to cut down on the trash on my phone.

Wink       .... besides, Google doesn't pick what gets pre-loaded on the phones, the telecoms or the phone builders do.
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Reply #277 - 04/15/15 at 09:08:46
 

Google needs to figure out how much it would cost them to move their equipment out of the EU and have a number in mind when the EU finally swags that big arsed fine at them.

Or else do what they did in China, already be gone by the time the EU finishes their "deliberations".

Notice any similarities between the way the EU acts and the way China sometimes acts ???

China always balances the best interest of Chinese business and the Chinese people -- I think the EU has lost track of what really matters in their current liberal thinking frenzy.

The biggest most frequent of the EU complainers by far is Microsoft, which has its own competing search engine, Bing (which they just scrapped, BTW).   Microsoft is just rehashing the same complaints that FAILED miserably when they brought them in the USA last year -- rehashing them because the EU is more liberal in interpreting their own laws (and EU regulators are more open to local influence, apparently).

In this case it looks like there is some manipulation being done by some local EU business concerns actively being led by MICROSOFT -- in a tit for tat for Google's Chromebooks nibbling away at their ankles most likely.

Microsoft wants to disrupt the Chromebook wave building in Europe, using any method they can come up with,  fair or foul.




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Reply #278 - 04/15/15 at 09:16:20
 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/10/30/359874687/in-eu-google-...

EU's New Competition Chief Could Shake Up Google Antitrust Case

"In Europe, Google has avoided the prospect of steep fines in a long-running antitrust case over several of the company's business practices, but a new commissioner will soon take over the case, and that has many wondering what Google could face next.

Nearly 20 companies have filed antitrust complaints against Google in Europe since 2009. The biggest of those by far is Microsoft, which has its own competing search engine, Bing.

"Microsoft has been driving these complaints from the very start," says Florian Wagner-von Papp, an expert on EU competition law at University College London. "Over here in Europe, Google has an enormous market share. Over 90 percent of all searches on the Web go via Google." (That's more than in the U.S.)

Shivaun Raff owns Foundem, one of the companies suing Google. Foundem compares prices for things like televisions and other electronic equipment. If you've never heard of Foundem, Raff says that's because of the way Google presents information when you search for something online.

"Google is manipulating its search results to increase its profit," Raff says.

She says Google does that by promoting its own price comparison services — like Google Shopping or Google's hotel and flight comparison services — while demoting competing companies like hers in its search results.

For example, if you're looking for a Canon digital camera, Raff says, Google's results yield "big links to Google's price comparison service that actually prioritizes which links it shows first by which advertisers pay Google the most."

And as Raff scrolls down in the Canon search results, no other price comparison site — like, say, her price comparison site — appears in the first page of Google's results."
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Reply #279 - 04/15/15 at 20:10:19
 

The amount of the fine being bantered about is 6 billion Euros  (6.4 billion dollars) ....

The amount of search listing change needed to "not hurt the little guys" would require listing in the top 10 items that normally according to relevance or popularity would not even make page #2 on the existing Google system.

This is all fairly much a lot of hot air rhetoric and BS at this stage, a brand new woman is making a splash as the head of a EU function by "taking on Google".    She is intentionally going counter to documented settlements already agreed to in writing by her predecessor as formal findings.    Western Governments do not act this way, not normally.   Dictatorships and similar forms of government act by fiat, not representative forms of government regulated by procedures such as the EU.

Google needs to hire some really good EU lawyers, and have a go at getting some compensation for the false accusations leveled at them so far.

Google also needs to hire some skilled EU publicists to make sure everyone knows very clearly that MS is behind all this shite.   They should commission a movie on the subject showing the personal power seeking and greed that is behind the EU's function heads active manipulations of free businesses that are located in other countries.

Then, if Google chooses to exit some of the EU states they need to make sure the EU members all understand exactly what this grandstanding by this Danish woman is going to cost them.   Yes, Google is by 90+ percent the most favored search engine used by EU people in general, but losing Google from your country is SO SO MUCH MORE than just losing a search engine.

Sergi & Brin have proven that they can make hard choices not to buckle under to governmental pressures, they have done it repeatedly with the USA and with China.   They did choose to completely pull out of China as it became obvious the Chinese were never going to go along with the free dispersal of data and Google wasn't going to be their censor for them.   (Baidu is and does, btw)

It is interesting that Microsoft remained in China the whole time and MS plays ball with the Chinese government against the freedoms of the Chinese people (and other peoples around the world).   MS actually benefited from Google leaving China -- perhaps MS is trying for a repeat of that activity?

MS cannot compete against Google right now in the free world marketplace, not effectively.   Not in search, not in data nor other Google key competencies.   MS struggles just to compete in OS systems right now, which is THEIR key competency supposedly ....

But if MS can arrange for the EU to screw Google up pretty good and take Google's  mind off of what they were doing so very well in the last year or so then that is to MS's advantage.  

Remember, Google was kicking MS's butt and creating a new way of doing computing over the net instead of locally loading everything.   By building a better system Google was quietly putting MS out of business within the next 10 years or so.   MS remembers the dirty tricks used by Bill Gates, so you can expect some of the same stuff from the new MS as well.

I once said MS --- PLEASE go piss Google off again ---   Google does 300% more 200% quicker when they stop being Switzerland and actually get pissed off some at something.

Let's see what transpires now .....   I think the boys are going to go after each other's rice bowls a bit more directly now.

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Reply #280 - 04/16/15 at 02:28:41
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/technology/microsoft-once-an-antitrust-targ...

Microsoft, Once an Antitrust Target, Is Now Google’s Regulatory Scold

"BRUSSELS — Not long ago, Microsoft was the scourge of European antitrust regulators.

It was fined not once, not twice, not thrice but four times. Finally, after Microsoft paid more than $3 billion, Europe left it alone.

Now, Google is firmly in Europe’s cross hairs: Antitrust regulators on Wednesday formally accused the company of abusing its dominance. And Microsoft is relishing a second act in Brussels, playing the role of scold instead of victim.

Microsoft has kept its coffers full for the fight, spending more on lobbying here than any European company. And Microsoft has founded or funded a cottage industry of splinter groups. The most prominent, the Initiative for a Competitive Online Marketplace, or Icomp, has waged a relentless public relations campaign promoting grievances against Google. Icomp hosts webinars, panel discussions and news conferences. It conducted a study that suggested changes made by Google to appease regulators were largely window dressing.

The two companies are the Cain and Abel of American technology, locked in the kind of struggle that often takes place when a new giant threatens an older one. Microsoft was frustrated after American regulators at the Federal Trade Commission didn’t act on a similar antitrust investigation against Google in 2013, calling it a “missed opportunity.” It has taken the fight to the state level, along with a number of other opponents of Google.

The main battle is now in Europe, where the two companies are fighting what could be called an away game, thousands of miles from their American headquarters. Policy makers are alarmed that Google’s European market share is roughly 90 percent in many countries, even greater than it is in America.

“Microsoft is doing its best to create problems for Google,” said Manfred Weber, the chairman of the European People’s Party, the center-right party that is the largest voting bloc in the European Parliament.

“It’s interesting. Ten years ago Microsoft was a big and strong company,” he added. “Now they are the underdog.”


This article by the New York Times gets into how much MS pays lobbyists in the EU and how much they $$$ have put into this attack on Google.

The thrust of the article is that this is not "normal activity" by a regulatory agency -- this is bought and paid for activity where the EU regulatory agency is being used by one company against another.

Huh     I think the NYTIMES has a story here.   What is the legal redress for such organized attack activities?

And does the EU have any sense of being used as a patsy here?
Or are they so far gone in liberal vapor land that they honestly believe in what they are saying about "a person's rights to be forgotten"?

DATA IS DATA -- it doesn't just disappear just because somebody wants it to go away.   What the EU is asking for is CENSORSHIP to be done on a one on one personal level, based upon some individual wanting a certain fact about themselves to go away.   This would require a system to compare every Google query request against a huge ever growing list of "requested forget" items.

Is the EU going to foot the bill for this system and put up with the VERY SLOW service that such a system would entail?

And why do they think Google would volunteer to to pay to do this for them, and then likely get to redo it all again the next time the whim changes ????

Google, pick a complaining EU country that is noisy and inconsequential and depart from it.  They will be trying to have panels "to force Google to provide service to undeserving complaining countries" next.

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Reply #281 - 04/16/15 at 08:04:15
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/04/cyanogen-microsoft-partnership-means-more-bing-...

Cyanogen, Microsoft partnership means more Bing on Cyanogen OS phones

Microsoft  has been seeking mobile partners for its services for some time now.   Cyanogen has chosen to be one of the first to take the candy from the bad man's hands.  

According to the announcement, Microsoft’s Bing services, Skype communication software, OneDrive cloud storage service, OneNote, Outlook, and Office software will be integrated with Cyanogen OS.

Now that MS has Google tied up with the EU case MS hopes Google will not enforce their normal Android rules, but by starting out with the renegade Cyanogen it makes a good test bed case since it obviously involves no large stakes or big players.

Note that some MS services were included "in addition" on the Samsung's Galaxy S6, but Verizon and AT&T both chose to remove the items from the phones they resell in their stores since they offer their own tuned android services and wanted their customers to use their own tuned android systems.   Google didn't do this, their big telecoms did.  

Watch out boys, the EU is watching you .....

Plus, rumor has it that MS plans to buy Cyanogen quietly on the sly and use it as "their phone OS" -- fun huh?   Cyanogen is acting bought already -- but based off of Nokia's experience I do not suspect the little guys are looking forward to the bumpy MS ride for very much.

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Reply #282 - 04/16/15 at 08:25:52
 
 
http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/20290/mediatek-10-core-helios-x20-chipset-to-...

http://liliputing.com/2015/04/mediatek-helio-x20-could-be-a-10-core-chip.html

Mediatek announces Helio 10 and Helio 20 chipsets, complete with Mediatek's new World LTE Modem.



"Taiwanese chip maker MediaTek recently unveiled a line of Helio processors which it says are aimed at high-performance devices including phones, tablets, and other devices. One of the first chips will be the Helio X10, which is an 8-core, ARM Cortex-A53 processor.

But 8 cores are old hat at this point. Now it looks like MediaTek may also be working on a 10-core chip.

According to a Chinese analyst who attended an event with MediaTek recently, the new processor is said to be called the Helio X20 and the chip maker claims it can score higher than 70,000 on the AnTuTu benchmark."




First, Mediatek believes in and has made a lot of ground swinging octacore A53 chipsets in low to mid range phones.

Here comes a new octacore A53 with Mediatek's new LTE modem inside it, along with a 10 core Helios 20 variant good for 70,000 Antutu ratings  (this is up in the very best scores turned in by Samsung's new 14nm Galaxy S6).   Mediatek says they can do this at 20nm which is very interesting all by itself.    It is also noted that "other devices" can include chromebooks and laptops and all-in-ones.

Fact is, Mediatek has stated it plans to play in the exact same sandboxes as Qualcomm and Samsung from this point forward, putting out chips that can go into equivalent premium phones "and other devices" as a matter of routine from now on.  

Just much less expensively, though.

I look to Mediatek to be the low cost performance leader from this point forward, and I look to see the rough edges come off their products very quickly as they polish up their act going forward into upper scale markets.

Will this happen instantly?   No, but if the "rate of change" achieved by a company means anything then Mediatek can do this at the same rate of change they apply to everything else.

PDQ, it will happen.  

Since the 20nm lithography level is now in full low cost production and sample chips have shown up in products already, one is tempted to say that Mediatek has already done it in their home markets and are just now rolling this out to the USA and Europe (we are their secondary English speaking markets after all).

Mediatek has historically been one level back from the big boys by their choice, as cost is always very high up at the bleeding edge and Mediatek specializes in matching that performance using lower cost lithography and in some cases clever multiples of the "little" chipsets in numbers far greater than are used by general run of the mill ARM designs.    

Mediatek will also customize the A53 littles to have a few VERY low energy cores to take care of background tasks which are always running.   This cuts down on standby energy usage.   Also, Mediatek has customized core switching software that is noted for being very efficient and for seamless ramping up and down their crowds of little cores.

Now that Mediatek is partnering with AMD, look for a new series of chipsets to come out swinging licensed AMD Radeon graphics.  

Also look for Mediatek to start coming out with some new KINDS of stuff as well.   Such as a rumored low cost Chromebook which they are working with Google on to capture all the needed drivers and specs to work well with their new high core count Helio chipsets, etc.
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #283 - 04/17/15 at 06:26:36
 

http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21648606-google

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This is an absolutely fascinating, must understand topic, because in this action the new EU Competition Commissioner tore up all the previous documented negotiated agreements on this issue and flat stated publically she wants to levy a maximum fine of 6.6 billion dollars even before even hearing the first response back from Google.  

This is not the rule of law, it is fiat.   Does the EU operate by fiat now?   If so, this change has drastic and large implications to all treaties and agreements now existing.



The implications of what the EU has just allowed this commissioner to do are staggering -- this appointed head of an EU Commission has just stated by inference that she has the self-appointed power to ABROGATE treaties and agreements with major allied states and break the EU's own laws while doing it.

Look at the graphic carefully and understand where the EU sits right now in the eyes of American business concerns and politically, with the US Administration and with Congress.

No one would blame Google a bit if they moved their foot off the plank .....

And the EU needs to carefully investigate the "local influence maneuvering" that got the woman off into this state -- and carefully see how many MS dollars were actually moved about to accomplish this task behind the scenes.   The EU should take action to make sure they cannot be used as a patsy by an American corporation acting under the cover of "local interests" while systematically attacking its American rival corporations.

This is high drama, or high tragedy if you prefer -- but such type stuff took place shortly before WWII when Germany went Nazi ballistic.  

Furor and rhetoric with lots of behind the scenes maneuvering  -- and power hungry people seeking personal power and influence by rabble rousing the crowds then actually running amok naming and executing scapegoats once they got some real power, yeah, that sounds familiar doesn't it ??    

Does the EU even have a domestic search engine anywhere of its very own to plug in if Google leaves?

Tongue       Does the EU have a methodology to preview potential Commissioners for "crazy liberalitis" and other disqualifying mental illnesses ???
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #284 - 04/18/15 at 12:49:02
 

People have been going to oriental computer shows and looking at what the Chinese are building for their own home market, stuff that IS NOT COMING to the USA, ever.   All of the devices are less than $200 American.   They do not use OS that we would recognize ('cept maybe that Windoz "desktop" machine).


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