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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #120 - 11/03/14 at 05:20:33
 

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/17/6993471/windows-10-features-top-requests

Windows 10: the top 10 most requested features

This is all the wonderful things people want MS to build into Win 10.   Generally stated, they are all "old MS code items" that were dropped before for one reason or another.

What is MS learning that the vast majority people really do?   Go on line (>95%) and run various MS Office programs (<5%).   At these ratios they should simply use On-line Office for their occasional tasks and save their money.

What does MS glean from analysing bug reports and comments -- people want the stuff to be simple and easy to use, to work right and not be a pain in the ass all the time.

What should MS really build?    Simplify simplify simplify simplify simplify simplify simplify and make it work 100% bulletproof and require much much less fiddle maintenance.

So, if you see some complex features going away, it is because "you the customer told us to ...."

To compete against Chrome and Linux MS is simply going to have to become more like them.
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Reply #121 - 11/03/14 at 08:00:33
 

What will Windows 10 actually wind up being like -- answer, pretty much like Win 7-8,x with some cleanup improvements and some extra speed (when the good 14nm Intel processors finally do come out for them, that is).

Microsoft will back away from some of the needless bloat and complexity that people DO NOT LIKE, and, realizing that the tablet market is a ship that has completely sailed at this point in time and that the phone market is never going to within their reach for a myriad of very good reasons Microsoft will focus on desktop/laptop and simply try to compete against Chrome as a much smaller sized more limited focus company.

This will be enough challenge for Win 10 -- simply to stop the arterial Chrome bleeding and get the company downsized and back to working well again.
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Reply #122 - 11/03/14 at 08:31:50
 

http://www.passionforsavings.com/deal/2013/11/black-friday-chromebook-deals-1...

Black Friday sales start earlier and earlier each year, don't they?

Groupon has a Refurbished Acer Chromebook for just $129.99 right now! There are 2 models available the C710-2856 and the C710-2833

http://www.omgchrome.com/black-friday-chromebook-deals/



Chromebook Black Friday Deals
Staples – who seem to sell everything but their namesake these days – will reportedly be offering HP’s older, but no less capable, HP Pavilion Chromebook 14 for just $180 on November 29th.

Because Chromebooks have maintained a decent profit margin all along, when they go on sale it can get AMAZINGLY low priced !!!  

Will the old Windows 8.x units even be ABLE to get low enough priced to even move a few MS based units this Christmas?

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Reply #123 - 11/04/14 at 08:46:39
 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00IT1WJZQ/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=...

Amazon peddling returned Asus Chromeboxes (the one with two memory slots) for $132.71 to 145.22

I would buy an Asus unit over a HP unit for better build quality and MUCH MUCH better expandability.

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Reply #124 - 11/04/14 at 10:10:23
 
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-cuts-another-3000-employees-as-part-of-its-lay...

Microsoft Fires 3,000 Human Resources, IT, Finance and other "support function" personnel who were surplused by the 18,000 person general layoffs.



Ooooh, I am currently caught calf deep while crossing the Chrome and ARM piranha laden waters and I can't go forward to get up the other shore because Intel Skyylake isn't ready yet and without Skylake my software is too too slow.  

And now suddenly I've got this awkward big Apple stuck up my bum for the whole of 2015 now, too.    So embarrassing, that large hard bulge in the back of my pants.

I am currently stuck midstream, hopping from one stub to the other while writhing in ever increasing pain, while I am getting slowly shorter and shorter by the inches .....  

.... and it HURTS.     Aieeeee !!!   It hurts so badly being stuck here, while being abused by Apple and ignored by my old friend Intel while being nibbled on by this multitude of little sharp toothed Google fishes.
   
I feel I must downsize some more to compensate for my all various copious bleedings.    My new MS re-structure charges can hide many of our various loss-leader and inventory write down costs inside these HUGE restructuring charge offs for all this cutting and departmental reformings that I have been so assiduously doing of late.  

This way I will not have to do a Ballmer and carry over loss-leader and inventory write off debts from one year to the next.   This is very smart of me, since unlike Ballmer I do not wish to risk going to jail over all this nonsense.




"The cuts of approximately 3,000 employees today are believed to be largely support staff in human resources, finance, sales and marketing and IT.

A final wave of cuts is expected in early 2015, sources said. Given Microsoft has already cut about 18,000 employees, that round should be fairly small.

As a result of the layoffs, Microsoft officials said the company would incur pre-tax charges of $1.1 billion to $1.6 billion for severance and related benefits costs and asset-related charges over the next four quarters."



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Reply #125 - 11/05/14 at 05:17:17
 

General Status of Open Source Linux, Google and Microsoft, ARM and Intel


Open Source Linux is still chugging along as the people in it are taking care of their own needs and are not worrying all that much about Google or MS at this point in time.   Open source community has a VAST WEALTH of machines available to it as any "old" MS x86 hardware from the last 10 years (Core 2 duo or better) is perfect to toss a Mint or Ubuntu on to make you up a quick very responsive machine.   If you want to game on Linux you can pick up an AMD graphics card now for less than $80 that will play all the new STEAM games at a reasonable frame rate.   Open Source Linux is as good right now as it has ever gotten to be in any years past.   I find Linux Mint Mate 17 to be completely usable and very satisfactory.

The World of Google is progressing along, with Chrome and Android beginning to mesh like the intertwined fingers of your two hands.  

Pure Google Android is now a minor US and Europe based player in the overall Android world with "Tweeked" Android (as is repackaged and controlled by the various carriers and device makers) being the vast majority of Android now.  Android overall bulks HUGE now at over 80% of all devices extant at this point in time --- and as more smart phones go into China and India this percentage will only get bigger and bigger.

Chrome, the other Google "hand" is relatively small but growing rapidly, having in the last two years taken over the Education market and making strong inroads into the Consumer space as a secondary light carry machine for younger people.   Business still has not accepted Chrome yet in any major fashion, but there are signs that the business intra-net vendors are making efforts to accommodate the little Google units for office drone use.

The computing world overall is Google centric now as even the Open Source Android world depends on Google to update and upkeep the base Android systems.   MicroSoft is actually learning that its name actually fits now, as it hold only a 10-14% market share of "all of computing".

So, Microsoft and Windows is trying to re-create itself as all of its old strengths really don't play all that well in the Web Based World we now live in.  The very "pay me for each program" world view Microsoft is based upon no longer applies very well outside of Business.   Business is the last bastion of Windows, with companies willing to pay huge amounts of money to keep their existing Windows infrastructure up and running.

Windows has sucked very badly for the last 2 major revisions, badly enough to drastically slow the sales of new Windows machines at retail.    Windows 10 is supposed to fix that --- but MS is so hampered by the ~20,000 people that it has just laid off such that MS is now struggling to do all the things to their OS that they are just now finding out that they need to do to make it desirable again.

Windows 10 is make or break time for MS as the new MS will live or die by it when it comes out next spring.

ARM is chugging along, getting ready to release the particulars of their next generation of 64 bit task sharing ARM cpu and gpu cores.   ARM and Android jointly release family groups of products that mate up with new lithography levels as they swing into use, capitalizing strongly on the advantages that each new level of processor lithography can do.  

The last released product was aimed at 20 nm and as we know that has come and gone now, flying down the size pathway to 14 nm and below.   ARM only releases when ready, so we will have a while to wait since Apple has just sucked up all the 14nm process lines that are available WORLDWIDE and will hold on to them until 2016 or thereabouts.   Since Apple owns 30% of ARM they always get the new stuff a year before anybody else gets it, to give them enough time to capitalize on the Wow and Cool factors that always go along with new ARM tech.

Intel is still trying to find itself in mobile but Chipzilla HAS increased its rate of motion considerably in the last few years.   A key learning for Intel is that it cannot do it by itself, that it can only succeed as a partner with other companies.

Historically, partnering with Chipzilla or Microsoft has been a deathwish event for the smaller companies that have tried it.   We will see if Intel has finally learned how to partner with someone without damaging or destroying them in the process.

Intel is making chipsets that are somewhat more relevant now, and Intel has given up on trying to do it all in house.  Intel is USING SOME ARM BASED DESIGNS NOW as their partners demand it as the Intel in house designs simply are not competitive in the real mobile marketplace (and Intel is getting tired of putting $20 bills on top of each of their own in-house designed chipsets just to get people to reluctantly use them).

Intel will have to compete in 2015 with the next generation of ARM processors, the ones that are NOT being released yet until they are fully cooked and ready to go into production.   Intel is also being hampered by the fact they are not really totally Android compatible and that ARM and Android always move together in lock step leaving Intel trying to come up from behind and get into the party, being always somewhat late and out of step.

Intel has tried to come up with their own version of Android that they can mesh with, but jury is still out as to whether this is acceptable to the marketplace or not.   Android as a whole moves very very quickly, and an Intel Android fork would just get out of sync with the Google driven Android base very quickly.

Still, the following chart correctly shows the general trends of computing and if it were updated for 2014 it would show the trends continuing along the same general pathways.



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Reply #126 - 11/05/14 at 16:49:08
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/android-5-0-offers-devs-better-access-sd-cards....

Android 5.0 offers developers better access to SD cards


"Basically the changes mean that apps can write data not only to specific directories on a microSD, but also to the entire SD card. Users will be asked whether to grant access to the top-level of an SD card the first time an app requests permission. Once you’ve made your choice you won’t ever have to do it again.

There’s also a new way for apps to create an app-specific directory, but allow other apps to access data from within that folder.

If you’re wondering why you’d want to let an app access all the data on your microSD card, think about camera, gallery, or photo editing apps. You could use any camera app to snap a photo and know that you can use any image editing app to touch up the photo because both could access files stored in shared directories."


Why is this worth noticing?   Because Android 5.0 and ChromeOS will both share these same abilities to really use an SD card (which go up over 128 gigs now) as the functional equivalent of an old style hard drive.

And when you start using 5.0 Android locally loaded apps on your Chromebooks, etc you need to be able to easily FIND and get to your data on the SD drive, move it, organize it, copy it, delete it, back it up, etc. etc.

Both Android 5.0 and all the current ChromeOS versions can go do this on your SD now, just like on a real PC ....

They aren't just wimpy little phone OS products any more .....  significant processor power and multiple gigs of systems memory and lots of SD storage space are making them capable of a whole lot more.
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Reply #127 - 11/06/14 at 08:37:46
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/microsoft-launches-office-android-tablet-previe...

Microsoft launches Office for Android tablet preview, updates iOS apps



More proof that the new MS is simply a software company who intends to peddle its wares wherever it can -- a company that intends to survive in whatever form it has to take to do so.

Dollar costs of this "locally loaded Android full Office program" has yet to come out yet, MS is still trying to get it to work properly first.

They do realize this will get Chromitized by lots of users depending on the cost -- it may be cheaper for them to just go on-line and use the freebe version.

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Reply #128 - 11/08/14 at 02:07:10
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/hp-stream-windows-tablets-hit-pre-order-100.html

HP Stream Windows tablets hit pre-order for $100 and up



Oh my goodness, we can't deliver the actual goods in time for Christmas and we are now barreling down on Thanksgiving --- WHAT DO WE DO ???

Same thing you have done with all the rest of the Chromebuster Stream products -- put it out for PRE-order and hope the folks will lock themselves in by clicking the PRE-order button instead of getting a Chromebook.

It is actually better than shipping the Win 8.1 Bing OS units, since folks MIGHT be disappointed in the real thing and have the audacity to write us a bad review.

PRE-order is fail safe in that aspect.



So far you can place PRE-orders for the 11 and 13 inch Streambooks, and for both sizes of tablets and you can actually go really buy the 14" Streambook for $300 which really isn't down in Chromebusting range right now and it also isn't running Win 10 and there is no Win 10 UPGRADE guarantee yet either.

Win 10 isn't cooked enough to say if it will really run on the smaller hardware yet.

So, MS wants to help you go buy another Win 8.1 PC / Laptop for delivery "sometimes soon" at a special (but not reduced) pre-order price.    

So click on the friggin' button, don't stop to read any of the reviews (because there aren't any yet) just click on the silly PRE-ORDER button    Huh  ...... please ?

It's better than a Chromebook, we promise (holding one hand behind back with fingers crossed)
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Reply #129 - 11/11/14 at 19:21:41
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/black-friday-2014-mobile-tech-deals.html

THIS IS UNFRICKN' BLACK FRIDAY UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!

This laptop has just started actually shipping and Staples is still planning on dumping it for half price ?????




"Here are some of the best Black Friday deals we’ve found so far. Note that some of these sales begin on Thanksgiving. I’ve tried to make notes of the start times when available.

You should also note that some deals may be available in-stores, but not online or vice versa. And you might want to bookmark this page, since I’ll be updating this list as more stores announce their Black Friday and Cyber Monday plans.  

The Asus EeeBook X205TA laptop is normally pretty cheap thanks to its $200 price tag. But Staples will be selling it for just $100."
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Reply #130 - 11/11/14 at 22:03:02
 
Looked up the asus, cause I have favored it even before it was popular....  
Did not see where it has Wi-Fi, only Bluetooth

https://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/specifications/ Undecided
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Reply #131 - 11/11/14 at 23:00:44
 

http://www.tlbhd.com/asus-eeebook-x205ta-19242/

Even Asus is glossing over this product in their literature & descriptions -- it has wireless N capability as per this review.

Caution:   since the units are just now starting shipping production units, all of the very early reviews were done off of an earlier prototype run and in many cases are actually the same few machines that were shipped around from reviewer to reviewer.   This is also why the product number seems to have shifted just recently.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Asus+EeeBook+X205TA

But, since the unit is shipping from Amazon now you can catch a YouTube video review of a real unit.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XlwWP4IKk

Here is your first real hands on review by someone who went out and bought one.   He finds it "usable" but he does not like the metal latches for the lid which dug into and marred his wooden desktop when the unit is slid around on the desk.

My take is the thing works OK for browsing in the same slower manner as any windows unit does -- but it uses a Windows 8.1 version that no one seems to love very much.    

The Atom 4 core low speed CPU and GPU gets "OK" speed when loading complex pages because it can separately load 4 concurrent items (yeah, each load is slower, but the total job gets done just a smidge slower than the faster dual core cheapie processors can do it).

Gaming is mostly a miss, with Warcraft being about the max game you want to try on it.

Office is installed and works OK.    Words like "not too bad" and "OK" get used in the review.


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Compared to a Chromebook this thing does worse than normal Windows laptops, so it loses all the standard normal Chromebook comparison tests even worse than normal.

It actually uses the same chipset and video system as a cheap Windows tablet does.   Some reviewers have likened it to a 10" Windows tablet with a keyboard cover.

It has the same ONLY ONE YEAR update/use of the OS system, Microsoft Office software and offline storage.

HOWEVER,  it is really actually down in the chromebook price range and it does work "OK".      And it is really shipping from Amazon and Staples will Black Friday you one for $100 this Thanksgiving if you are at the first of the line to get inside when the door opens.

This is not a Streambook,  it is an Asus Eeee series Netbook which is coming across like a slightly downspec'd streambook.

It is, however, a real viable product that might be able to remain on the Chromebook war field even after the MS bonus bucks stop.    If sales are good Asus will keep selling it, if it tanks they will drop the Eeee class devices again just like they did before.

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Reply #132 - 11/12/14 at 08:04:46
 

http://www.amazon.com/HP-Stream-Laptop-Personal-Horizon/dp/B00NSHLUBU/ref=sr_...

HP Stream 11 is on Amazon is now shipping .....    standard HP red and blue colors available.

"Speed

This is a Celeron processor, but running on flash/ssd hardware makes it pretty zipping. It's definitely not a workhorse but if you just need a kick-around laptop to bring with you to work/starbucks/wherever else, it can do the basics and then some. Wireless AGN speeds can handle just about as much as you can throw at it.

Display

You get a pretty decent and vibrant 1366x768, which can play 720p content easily (720p is 1280x720). On this small a screen and the distance you'll likely be sitting from it, it would be extremely unlikely you could noticed the difference from 1080p. Viewing angles are pretty decent vs similar sized laptops I've seen. If you'd complaing about not having 1080p or 4k, why are you looking at this laptop?

Quality / Price

Quality is pretty decent for a tiny $200 laptop - probably more than I would have expected. I'm disappointed that the touchpad can only be button-pressed in the bottom half (rather than anywhere on the touchpad). Still better than the old-fashioned 2 separate buttons that plague most Windows machines, but definitely not as good as the apple-esque full touchpad. But a reasonable trade-off for a $200 laptop. Battery life is fantastic.

Software

It comes with Windows 8.1 (non-RT), which is great. The flash-based storage lends to a pretty slick interface. Unfortunately it's also plagued by a ton of included bloatware, such as:
Various HP junkware
Apple Bonjour (spyware in my opinion)
Dropbox
TripAdvisor
Amazon
McAfee LiveSafe
Weather Channel
"Snapfish"
"MySMS"

Privacy

If you read the HP Terms-of-Service (which you wouldn't get if you bought an Apple or direct-from-Microsoft product), it collects "anonymous technical information related to HP Software and your HP Product". HP and included third-party software will also collect personal information including your IP address and anything you include in the registration. You can't opt-out of it, so this is a nice middle-finger to the buyer. You can't re-install the OS thinking you'll get a clean slate; you just get a refresh of Win8.1 with all the bloatware back. So you can either uninstall the junk, app by app, or try to extract the serial number and re-install from a fresh 8.1 key. It's not listed on any product information or a sticker on the back, so it's a hassle.

Overall a decent product, decent battery life, with some significant trade-offs."


Fair Warning:   HP stuffs their little flash drive full up with junkware on the Windows machine, some of which is apparently hard to remove.    HP also apparently tries to block the machine from loading replacment FOSS OS systems.
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Reply #133 - 11/13/14 at 06:41:50
 

Status of the Chrome Wars going into Thanksgiving/Black Friday

Chromekillers vs Chromebooks

There are two (2) real $199 Chromekillers out there that are really actually shipping now in time for Christmas and neither one can compete on speed or ease of use against the existing crop of Chromebooks.   Both are severely limited by the Chromebook like hardware level that is all that the price point can buy (even with MS and Intel paying at least $100 in price support between them).  

This is due to MS Win 8.1 being a real resource hog compared to Chrome OS and the new Streambooks don't get the large memory and the fast processor they need to be even close to fast.

The new HP Stream 11 chokes on its load of pre-loaded freebie ware, giving you no room to put your own software choices on the limited hard drive.

The Asus unit is better, with less of a preload taking up the limited drive space.

Windows 8.1 is no more attractive as an OS than it has ever been.   MS only gives you ONE YEAR of free drive support and free MS Office support.    HP blocks you from loading a Linux OS, so at the end of your one year you will HAVE TO PAY MS to use their MS drive service and their MS Office.

Chromebooks/boxes are supported by Google for 5 years vs the Streambook's one (1) year of MS support.    Chromebooks and boxes can load and keystroke switch to Crouton Ubuntu on the day you get it very easily with no barriers put in place to thwart you.   Certainly at the end of your 5 Chromebook/box years you have several in place options that will be easy to do to keep your hardware going on out into the future.

Head to head the Streambooks are still much slower than normal laptops and even powerful laptops with lots of memory resources still fail to boot and load web pages like a cheap arsed Chromebook can do.  

It's the OS baby -- Windows is a fat porky and slow memory eating OS and THAT HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL.

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30-35% of younger American users have already realized a Chromebook is simply better than a Windows machine for what they actually do on-line -- eventually their parents will try it and see the same thing.   And Chromebooks do work off line as well -- both with selected Chrome Store Apps and with all Android apps that have been rolled over to the Chrome Store.

As you go web based a Chromebook makes better and better sense -- especially since it can run your favorite Android apps now.

The skills and tools learned on your Android phone play in Chromebooks/boxes now too .....

Know that as MS struggles to write Win 10 down lean enough for laptop, phone and tablet (with this to all come out next April supposedly) that Google is already sitting there, with total concurrency that is app based because all of the Lollipop 5.0 supplier development tools that were released a month ago.

MS is not the first to cover all the platforms with the same software,  Android 5.0 is already doing it since all the Lollipop apps can run on Chrome OS.  

AND since MS has come out with MS Office for Android what the heck reason do you have for sticking with the PC platform?

It ain't performance.

It ain't cost.

It ain't MS Office.

It ain't Photoshop.

It ain't Autocad.

You must just love defragging and chasing viruses on a slower, bulkier much more expensive machine.



Roll Eyes      Microsoft is lining things up to shuck all Windows people like oysters, gonna take your $$$ once they jack you all open.



IT IS WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO USE,  SO INERTIA AND  LAZY HABIT  that keeps the MS monkey on your back, nothing more.    

For this you are going to pay hundreds of dollars to MS ???  

I guarantee you already know how to use Linux Mint Mate 17 just as well, and I know the Mint 17 learning curve will be less than any of the newer Windows OS's would be and it costs you bupkiss per year to use Linux Mint and the software is all free too.

Even if you claim "work related reasons" since the same software runs on both OS systems you can do like the Mac folks do -- just carry your files on a thumb drive that either one will open and save.    Or be like my wife, keep all your stuff in Drop Box and access it from anywhere.
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Reply #134 - 11/15/14 at 22:58:17
 

Now, I am going to switch sides and be a Wintel future talk booster, just to prove I can do it.


So, 2014 ends on a flat note for all of computing, with massive change taking place in 2013 and early 2014.

The net result of all this change is a resized Intel and a resized Microsoft, both of which have finally got their war faces on and are coming out swinging in 2015.

Both companies realize they are underdogs now and are acting accordingly, aiming to take over certain select market segments by force and showing a willingness to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to do so.

Intel intends to leapfrog its own Tic Tock cycle and bring out Skylake a year early (or on time if you go back to the original plans).   Intel will short change and partially abort the current Broadwell generation to concentrate on the Apple demand for the 14nm laptop Skylake generation -- this is a forced putt with Apple putting Intel under the gun very intentionally and very brutally.

If Intel performs and makes a GOOD chipset, then Intel can recover some of their 25% potential loss of product opportunities back from the ARM based chipsets.   Intel is recovering market share by producing chips that the market wants, rather than throwing out chips and then trying to force their partners to use them.

Intel is focused right now as well as anyone remembers them ever being, and they intend to survive and win at ANY cost.   Intel is paying attention to their customers for once.

Microsoft is busy working out Win 10 on the fly, intending to leverage off the new Intel Skylake chipsets to make their software products relatively desirable again.  

However, Apple is sucking up all the 14nm production out of both ARM and Intel camps which will put a delay in MS's turn around plans, but may actually provide MS the needed time to get Win 10 totally right this time as the extra year may be needed for MS to fumble through a few Win 10.x revisions to smmooooth out the normal major change feature issues that they are having with Win 10.

ARM is being contractually silent right now about their next ARM generation designs, giving Apple their required one year of exclusive use of the new more powerful ARM 64 bit designs before rolling them out publicly.

Apple is using Samsung to build their 64 bit A9 chipset with these new ARM generation features, so expect Samsung to come out with their own new generation of new14nm  64 bit chipsets almost immediately after the Apple A9 is announced.    Samsung is building A9s on their two new 14nm lines as we speak, so obviously they understand what the new ARM generation changes are all about.

Meanwhile, Intel is busy sucking up HARD AS THEY CAN to Apple in laptop space, trying to get a Skylake design put together that will make Apple want to forget that they can just use the new Apple A9 (and year after next's A10 chipset) in Apple's  laptops and never have to pay Intel's high chipset costs ever again.  

Skylake has to be just that good .... and it has to be able to take Apple's ARM based driver sets and RISC systems calls and it has to do it naturally, not through any clumsy software emulations as in years past.   Apple will accept nothing less.  

Skylake will redefine Intel if they pull it off correctly to suit all of Apple's needs and if Intel can make it possible to expand Intel designs into Apple's tablets and phones any at all.

So, Apple is slowly luring Intel's development path away from MS, in other words.   And Intel is very willing to do this, since Apple sells FAR more new products right now than MS does right now and MS can always use Intel's old x86 based 22nm chipset designs to match up to their still as yet unchanged x86 Win 10 OS product and their still as yet unchanged x86 MS Office product line.    

MS will have to be the one to change over to a RISC basis within the next few years if they want to play on the newest processors.

Meanwhile Intel is also embracing ARM into their internal mobile chipset designs, incorporating both ARM CPU and GPU core design features because the oriental market place is demanding STOCK ARM ANDROID solutions as that is the vast bulk of the products that they want to buy this upcoming year (they also like to run the older forms of Android that are strictly ARM/RISC based).    

Intel's new monkeyed up Intel version of Android isn't proving to be all that back compatible with the older Oriental Androids and it isn't showing very much movement in the orient at this time.

However, both MS and Intel now have a foot in the Chinese market's door and historically that is all Intel has ever needed in order to loss leader their way into killing off the smaller competition by using all their various and sundry well practiced dirty tricks.   Then once the small fry are gone Intel can jack the chip prices up into the higher cost ranges again.

Chipzilla's giant lizard has reached dry ground on the Chinese mainland and is beginning to stomp around in Chinese cities now.   So, does China continue to take the big Intel bribes and allow their own little guys to get plowed under by Chipzilla's big swinging tail ????  

Remember, Intel is now a 20% co-owner of two of China's governmental chip production facilities.  

For killing off the little Chinese little guys is what Intel must do in order to run their business at any form of efficient utilization levels.   Intel must build a VAST MULTITUDE of chips on Chinese co-owned fab plants and the current crop of "Chinese little guy chip makers" must be driven out of business in 2015 in order for Intel to be able to fill up their "co-owned" wafer plants and their own 22nm plants and make a maximized profitability both for Intel and their new Chinese partners.

Huh       So, Chipzilla is becoming a big arsed Chinese dragon now ???

Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin

Now, final good news -- the $250- $300 laptop world is getting fairly decent functionally here at the end of 2014 as many of the more expensive early 2014 Wintel units are getting repriced in order to move them on out.

Microsoft still has not put out the Win 10 upgrade guarantee in place which would act to help move a lot of the aging 2014 warehouse stock out of the brick and mortar stores.    Amazon and New Egg have no old warehouse stocks, they don't keep any, so the on-line channels are not constipated at all at the moment.

Chromebooks are slowing down now, evening out at the 20% to 25% of total new laptop sales level (but actually doing much better than that in the Education market).

Chromebooks / Chromeboxes are just now beginning to show some early worker bee level penetration into those companies that operate off of very strong company secure software intranets.   Microsoft and Dell are combating this penetration with some really really cutthroat pricing on their low end Windows business units as Google and Dell press their Chromebook attack.   Yep, that is Dell both attacking and defending ....

As low end Intel chipsets get much better and MS continues to react against Chome and to compete actively on the low end of things, look to see the general computer pricing continue to fall throughout the coming 2015 year.  

Look to see more international companies do a Samsung and leave the American marketplace as we aren't buying enough new stuff right now to make it worthwhile for them to be here.

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