bill67 wrote on 04/13/13 at 19:37:16:


Every form and instance of government since the dawn of man has had a gradual creep toward becoming more powerful than those it governs. At least two factors are responsible for this: 1) those in government always seek more power (perhaps that's human nature); and 2) a large percentage of the citizenry seek safety and solace from government. "Safety and solace" in ancient times came in the form of the king's army defending the town from marauding hordes; in modern times it usually comes in the form of an "entitlement" check.

The Founding Fathers knew this and purposely crafted this country as a constitutional republic with checks and balances of power within the federal branch and between the federal branch and the states.  What's transpired in this country since at least Woodrow Wilson is the federal government growing increasingly more powerful than the states, the presidency becoming even more powerful than a monarch, and the rights of individuals and individual liberty itself being denigrated and even, at times, ignored.

The root of the ascendance of power of the federal government over the states and the individual (every American citizen) is Leftism. Some prefer to call it Liberalism, but it is, nonetheless, on the left side of the political scale. On the Far Left is Totalitarianism; on the Far Right is Libertarianism. To the right of center is Conservatism (the belief in individual liberty and small government); to the left of center is Liberalism (the belief in collective rights over individual rights, and of a strong government over individuals).  America is currently a center-right country, with liberals accounting for just 21% of the population. However, with the vast majority of the media (television, magazines, newspapers, movies) and the educational system dominated by liberals, left-wing thought is continuously rained upon Americans since birth.  So there is the gradual "acceptance" of leftism over time due to the constant barrage of it.

It's obvious that our country is sliding towards a central form of government, with the federal government ruling the roost. Unless we wake up soon -- and I don't think we will -- the U.S. will probably be a fully socialist state within 40 years. The nature of man to chip away at his God-given liberty and inalienable rights seems inevitable.

We are already slaves to big corporations and banks. The Billionaires pump billions of dollars into campaign funds and determine the outcome of the elections. The big boys create a major fock up twice and the gov. bails them out twice and the Federal Reserve bails them out again behind our backs. I think everyone in the US should get every credit card they can get their hands on, max them all out and not pay a dime back. Its time we stuck together and fight back, take back whats ours!. We can do it without firing a shot.

Gold is risky business right now. We can break the banks and if the gov bails them out this time they'll be riots in the streets, especially with tax hikes, Social Security cuts going on. All we're doing is getting our money back that we never agreed to give in the first place. The tyranny decided that for us. We just have to stick together and become one party minus the 5% who rule and destroy this country..

Obama is gonna try his best to run again. He's building a special army, loading up special weapons.He's acting more like a King than a president. Maybe the 47% will realize they'll be the first ones to go, especialy when their Social Security, welfare and food stamps stop.

SkyHigh wrote on 04/15/13 at 11:02:05:


The answer to both in the non hypothetical sense is "confiscate and kill". The correct question is - in what ratio ? Here is my answer to that.

Corporations have a far greater head start inside the USA.
Of course the govt has the lead outside ...

The proof - we being the "lazy pampered american" had an Occupy wall street - not occupy government or occupy congress. In contrast in the middle east they had - arab spring - well they protested and tossed out the govt/dictator etc etc.

As a country we the people mistrust our govt, but we suspect our corporations.

Yes Newt Gingrich said Obama will be doing a third term. Read the constitution lately ?

Yes yes yes the 47% that voted for RMoney want a communist style govt and Putin is their man they have said.

Welfare rolls are not 47% not even in the depths of this recession. Look into this, I dont think there is even 10% of the population on welfare nationwide.

Ok these are the stats -

Welfare Statistics      
Total number of Americans on welfare      4,300,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps      46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance      5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare      4.1 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment)      $131.9 billion

So basically 4.1%. Larger % are on unemployment.

This is the site - in case you want to find your own better site - it also has more stats - white vs black vs hispanic vs asian etc etc.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

So its not 47% ... Mitt RMoney was wrong ... oh my god, is that even possible ? you could have knocked me over with a feather.

All the republicon lies are coming unravelled rather quick ...

Cool.
Srinath.

I paid a square 23% in taxes for 2012, opposed to RMoney's 13% in 2011.

47% is a lie perpetrated by RMoney. The numbers are listed - its closer to 4%. This 4% grew to 4% from 3% in the recession. An advancing economy will reverse this toward 3, that is if the republicoms will let the economy grow.

47% is the percentage that voted for him. I doubt it is going to grow to 98%. Maybe in his own delusional mind where he paid his fair taxes ...

Here is my hypothesis: Reform welfare rolls all you want. The first 10 rounds of welfare reform will remove the ones who deserve it, the veteran with the blown off leg, the pregnant woman with the dead husband, the truly deserving. You will be left with 100% fake and the liars after that. You may lower it to 2%, but that will be all it will go, and those will be the true liars.

Liberals have not waged wars in 2 countries unfunded, based on lies and have there fore not had the benefit of getting people off to war. Bringing people back from war has to have them working or they count as unemployed.

Lots and lots of lies from the republicommunists, must be devastating to have someone swat them all down.

Cool.
Srinath.

From your numbers alone...

4% on welfare
6% on unemployment
47% on food stamps

There's a large percentage that given up on unemployment cause of the limits.  47% are either unemployed or under-employed, flipping burgers to keep from starving or living under a cardboard box.

When my brother finally got on welfare, he died the next year, so it's not easy.  And he never collected food stamps.