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I looked at the ZDDPlus website and saw their competitive claims table too. It simply says that ZDDPlus product is the most concentrated of the bunch listed (but we already knew that). I also saw the outside lab analysis which listed zinc and phosphorus as the only ingredients, so I leave the moly issue out of it at the moment as that indicates there isn't any moly (or any sulphur) in ZDDPlus.
Base oil is still a question, I would suggest that the size of the bottle indicates it is bottled straight out of the 55 gallon additive maker's drum and has some, but very little, suspension oil to it at all.
An ounce or two is all the suspension oil you have, so the ZDDPlus solids will NOT be staying in suspension and IT WILL be gooped up around the bottom of the little bottle.
The response to the Guzzi guy was humorous -- yes, if you had JASO MA oil available at 1,350 ppm then use that "as is" was a reasonable enough response. Issue is that the only JASO MA oil left is Rotella and quite frankly that used to be on the weak 1,200 ppm end of the JASO MA oil spectrum (a whopping ancient few weeks ago) back before MA-2 reformulations began.
Saying "follow your instructions from the bike maker" is weak and very vague because the the bike makers could have never guessed what oil makers were going to do with those obsolete, no minimum ZDDP ppm number required completely unenforced SF, SG and SH specifications. Lucas is the best example of that, putting out SM car oil and calling it bike oil.
I think with our Savage instructions they were referring to the "then commonplace" 1,400 ppm to 1,600 ppm SF and SG oils that have not existed now for a decade, and they were certainly not referring to the neutered 800-1,000 ppm stuff that is being put out in JASO MA/2 bike oil land in the last few weeks.
It is an issue that hasn't chased itself out yet. But then any oil will get you out of a one year warranty period and they do like to sell new motorcycles -- the bike mgf. didn't screw up the oil -- it isn't our fault, go sue Lucas over your knocky engine claims.
Mixing the little ZDDPlus bottles into the gallon jugs of Rotella is probably going to make the mixing pretty durn easy, just remember to shake the gallon jug good before pouring out the second two quarts.
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We got Dave and two other new ones complaining about the knocking now. Ticky's we got by the dozen.
What is scary is that new current year Savages are bought new by women, screwed up oil-wise by stealerships and boyfriends and then sold off to us pre-damaged when she gets tired of it.
To us, it is too late -- tappet/cam surface scarring has already begun. Case depth on rockers and cams is measured in single digit thousandths, and the lobes on the cam are considered "service max wear" when they have lost only 118 of those thousandths. Scrub through the case depth and 118 can come see you pretty quick.
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