Gyrobob
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arteacher wrote on 05/21/12 at 16:03:58:Gyrobob wrote on 05/20/12 at 20:39:02:mpescatori and bill, your kind keeps trying to prove to me it can't work. You have a lot in common with the USAF doctors I mentioned earlier. "Your eyes can not be any better, Lieutenant, that kind of thing doesn't work." Your attempt seems to be to bring up all kinds of postulations as to why getting off of wheat and grains and sugar won't do any good.
You should find some other basis for debate, because:
-- No amount of emphasis on your part will undo all the ways (17 to date, I think) getting off of wheat/grains/sugar has made me feel 30 years younger.
-- No amount of emphasis will convince the parents of the kids with MS, epilepsy, and autism that their kids are not better.
-- No amount of emphasis will convince the folks on the Wheat Belly FB page that, collectively, they have not lost literally tons and tons of fat.
-- No amount of emphasis will convince the many kids I have read about on that FB page that their zits are GONE!
-- No amount of emphasis will tell those diabetics who are NOT diabetics anymore that they might as well give up their wheat-free grain-free sugar-free low-carb lifestyle because it can't work. I doubt they will do that. I doubt they would willingly return to bagels and oatmeal and linguine and glyburide and metformin. I can pretty much assure you they are a lot happier being free of the drugs and the diabetes. Gyro: If wheat causes MS, epilepsy, acne, diabetes, poor eyesight, hair loss, brain fog, autism, ringing ears, sore muscles, arthritis, gastric problems, and God knows what else, don't you think someone other than The Great Doctor would try to cash in? The money to be made curing hair loss alone would make someone a billionaire. And no amount of self delusional ignoramus' will ever convince me, or anyone in the medical profession that wheat is the cause of MS, or the lack of it is the cure. THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD- THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BELIEVE IT, AND IGNORE PROPER TREATMENT FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE ILLNESSES THAT WHEAT SUPPOSEDLY CAUSES. And something that you seem to constantly turn a blind eye to, in spite of what people have told you and The Great Doctor, through reviews and critiques of his book, is that if you just eliminate wheat in your diet, not other carbs, and you don't adopt a healthier lifestyle with regular exercise absolutely the square root of f**k all happens. Your recovery from a bunch of health problems, by following the Atkins diet, and eliminating something in your diet that you were allergic to, has blinded you to reality. I apologist to every one here for the yelling and the language. My wife and I have been living with her MS for 32 very hard years, and my diabetes for 13 years, and to have some pompous a$$ and his followers, assert that wheat caused it all is ludicrous, just ludicrous.
Ease up. You are making baseless accusations. Again.
I never said you could cure MS by stopping wheat. I never said wheat causes MS. The Doc never said wheat causes MS. In fact he expressed surprise at the several reports of MS folks getting better. All I said was there were people who said their MS got better when they quit wheat,... AND, they didn't ignore their Doctors, they just did whatever they were doing according to their Doc's guidance, plus they stopped eating wheat. For a few of them, their MS got better. This is a bad thing?
I find it strange you would call Doctor Davis a pompous ass. All he did was find ways to help his cardio patients. While he was doing that, his cardio patients who were also diabetic often reported to him, to his surprise initially, they weren't diabetic anymore. Why is THAT such a bad thing?
Here's another thing you are right and wrong about: "if you just eliminate wheat in your diet, not other carbs, and you don't adopt a healthier lifestyle with regular exercise absolutely the square root of f**k all happens. " You have been misinformed about a few issues. The Doc explains that getting rid of wheat will create a lot of benefits, but that making sure you keep yourself free of all grains and sugar and high carb food is quite necessary. You are in error if you think he says all you have to do is not eat wheat.
He never said being wheatfree would cause hair to grow back. Again, all I am doing is reporting what several folks have said. When they made those comments, he said he hadn't heard of that happening to any of his patients. All he did was theorize that if it really was happening, it might be due to the better health of the skin overall (which is common when you get off of wheat) where the follicles reside.
I do have trouble understanding why you think there is something evil about this. Why use terms like "self-delusional ignoramus" ??
-- This Doc has saved thousands of lives! It seems rather tacky to call him names.
--- His attitude alone is worthy of a lot of admiration and respect,...
--- Most cardio Docs these days rely on two basic techniques: Bypass operations and drugs. He started off this way. After a while the stupidity of it all got his attention, so he decided he would find out how to keep the problems from happening rather than that just slice or prescribe pills. He PREVENTS cardio problems. Most in his field treat the symptoms. Doesn't sound very self-delusional to me, and I doubt that it would to those thousands who are alive and healthy today because of his change of attitude from focusing on symptoms to focusing on preventing the problem in the first place.
--- He has taken a lot of heat from the AMA, the ADA, and his peers over bucking the system like he does.
--- There are a lot of MD's with attitudes like yours,... they hate the fact that he is so successful with his "self-delusional" techniques that prevent heart attacks rather that treating them.
-- All I see are positives. The worst thing I have seen from someone trying out the wheat/grain free thing is that it didn't do very much,... all they got was some weight loss, without that long list of benefits that happened to me and to most of the other folks that do this the right way.
Also, why accuse me of being blind to reality when all the things I have told you about that happened to me are real? I was an Atkins person since 2003. It worked pretty well,.. I lost some weight and the blood yeast problem I had endured for many years was cured. Then last October, I made one simple change,.. in addition to staying low-carb (like the Doc says to do) I stopped with the wheat and realized all kinds of additional benefits. To me this proves it all. Low-carb is good, low-carb without any wheat or grains is even better. Way better.
I haven't heard of anyone ignoring proper treatment for an illness just because they stop abusing wheat. The way it keeps getting reported over and over and over again is that the individual's Doc notes the improvements and takes that individual off their meds. How can that be a bad thing?
And, one more time,... telling me (or anyone else savoring a lot of improvement) that this doesn't work is just silly. It isn't evil, it isn't wrong, it isn't fake,... it works well, and no amount of grousing about how it doesn't work will have any effect other than to make the grouser look even sillier.
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