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Title: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 05:29:27 Do a yahoo search for "Wheat Belly" by cardiologist William Davis. I bought the book. (the only time I think I have EVER paid full price for a hardback!!) I won't start preaching about it if you won't start opinionating without having read it. If you can't read, or just don't like to read, go to youtube and search for "wheat belly" and you'll get a lot of options. Be sure to put wheat belly in quotes so it'll search for just that phrase and not wheat, belly, and wheat belly. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in two seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 05:40:37 That "Food Pyramid" they indoctrinated us with is a bad idea, You have any idea how many people are allergic to wheat now? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 06:00:29 6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
Tens of millions. I think the book explains that,.... I'll check tonight. Yes, the food pyramid thrust upon us for so many years is really a bad thing. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 06:10:30 Agenda driven education. Like politically motivated policy decisions,, bad idea. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 06:13:15 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
You and I are allies on this one. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/09/11 at 09:49:49 I tried the atkins diet years ago. what got me off it was the incredibly limited access to alternates. And needing vitamin supplements really told me it was not a whole diet. I'm gonna be more gluten aware. rice and potato's here I come. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 10:07:07 Antibiotics have done real damage by killing some of the Good Gut Bugs off, creating "Leaky Gut Syndrome". Foods not being completely broken down prior to passing from the gut into the blood exposes the immune system to things it doesnt expect to see, it then attacks them,, thats where food allergy begins in many cases. REgaining a healthy gut is important in repairing the problem, probiotics time, folks. Even then, ya gotta lay off of the foods youre allergic to for a long time & rotate the diet so as to avoid becoming allergic to foods you can still eat. Since wheat is in so many things its hard to not eat it.. &, odd as it sounds,, we tend to crave what we are allergic to. & when we cut sugar out, the yeasty crap that depends on it makes us absolutely miserable.. Keep the carbs down, your brain NEEDS carbs, & fats. Lipids are crucial to the brain, dont use margarine, real butter, olive oil, not crisco or some GMO crop oil,, MSG is used in labs. When a scientist needs a fat lab rat, they give a baby an MSG shot,, it wrecks their system & they get fat,, Diet drinks have aspartame,, horrible crap.. Look up MSG code words,, Ohh,, read the contents, if its got the corn sweetener in it, its bad news,, corn is almost all GMO now, & even the best organic stuff is polluted by Monsatans pollen. You'll spend $$ on good food today or hope for a good doctor later. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 10:13:54 170413120D0006040F50610 wrote:
I started Atkins in 2003. Lost 30 lbs, and got my blood numbers and blood pressure better than they had been in years. Currently you don't have to sacrifice anything, 'cep fer baked pototoes, white bread, etc. I eat all the pie, pasta, etc., I want, and still keep it around 50 carbs per day. There are alternates aplenty. If you are following the Atkins regimen properly, you are eating lots of veggies and some fruits, along with meat, fish, dairy, etc.,... so you don't need any supplements any more than you would on a "typical" well-rounded diet. I take a "50+" multiple each day as a sort of insurance, but if you are doing it properly, you don't need any unusual amounts of supplements. Ever heard of Carb-Quik? It's like Bisquick, but low carb. Biscuits, pancakes, waffles, muffins, yum yum yum. These days, if you give up Atkins because you had to give up too many of your favorites, you weren't trying very hard. Go to netrition.com and look at the Low-carb section. There are literally thousands of low-carb products in there, ranging from zero-carb jelly to snack crackers to Carb-Quik to shakes to pastries to cereals,... on and on and on. Be aware of what is billed as "gluten free." It may have no WHEAT gluten, but it has other stuff which is as bad or worse. To quote from one of his interviews, Dr. Davis said, "Well, the only foods that raise blood sugar MORE than whole wheat are corn starch, rice starch, potato starch, and tapioca starch. These are flagrant, rapidly-digested carbohydrates when they're in the powdered form as presented in gluten-free foods." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 10:23:01 JOG said, "Since wheat is in so many things its hard to not eat it.. &, odd as it sounds,, we tend to crave what we are allergic to." When you read "Wheat Belly" you'll add a little to your statement,... Since wheat is in so many things its hard to not eat it.. &, odd as it sounds,, we tend to crave what we are allergic and addicted to. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 10:23:33 Hey GB,, How's beer on the blood sugar thing? Yeaa,,, I just try to avoid that word.. addicted has such a nasty connotation.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 10:26:26 77686E6974734272427A68642F1D0 wrote:
Michelob Ultra is only 3 carbs per bottle. I'll have to check on whether or not there is any "grain" effect from beer. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 10:28:48 Ive heard beer & diabetes are good friends,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 10:38:45 Ooooops. Beer is wheat-brewed. The ales, and darker versions are the most problematic. I don't drink much beer so it won't be a problem for me. Beverages allowed: water, pure fruit juice (small amounts), tea, coffee, plant extracts (almond milk, coconut milk, etc.), red wine, most natural dairy stuff. Avoid: beer, fruit drinks, soft drinks. All my life I have been a big-time milk drinker,.. not 2% or skim, either. -- When I first started Atkins, I found this stuff called Calorie Countdown. 3 carbs/cup, and tastes pretty much like milk. -- It was expensive, though, and sometimes hard to find. -- Then I discovered Silk brand almond milk. -- I mix a half-gallon of that with a 1/4 cup of heavy whipping cream. -- Wonderful stuff. Tastes great, has a creamy thick consistency -- 1 carb/cup, low cal, low fat, cheaper than Calorie Countdown and available everywhere. -- Fortunately, it is also good for the Wheat Belly thing if I decide to do that. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 10:53:08 I found a local ( Well,, 20 miles away) place I can get raw whole milk,, I dont very often,, but BOOOy thats good stuff.. Theres another place that ships milk thats not homogenized, it is pasteurized, tho. But sometimes there are little beads of butter that come out with it. Best commercial milk Ive seen, & costs less than Horizon organic. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/09/11 at 10:55:00 ... but,.. the "nasty" foods, are the staple foods that cultures are built on... Wheat, potatoes, rice, pasta,... sustenance foods... Of course, if you leave out the main staple foods, you will lose weight. ... and overweight people will be healthier if the lose the weight... But I don't think these foods are bad,... excess is bad... I'm not a nutrition expert... and I don't read "self help" or "nutrition/diet books... but, I do know, there are enough "nutrition expert" theories out there, that you can pick and choose the evil food culprit of your choice... Don't eat meat,.. don't eat fat,.. don't eat carbs,.. don't eat sugar,.. don't eat starch,.. Just don't eat a lot... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/09/11 at 11:02:55 3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:
I agree there are too many "nutrition" experts out there with conflicting agendas based on ways for them to make money. That's why I tend to put more stock into guys like this Dr. Davis. -- He spent decades as a mainstream cardiologist, and then starting noticing some strange things that ran counter to what he was taught in school. -- He pursued it, and found out a lot of things he started to use to benefit his patients. (Similar deal with Atkins, although he did convert to big-time marketeer) -- When Dr. Davis found out a complete enough story about this wheat addiction/cultural damage thing, he decided to tell the world. -- This situation seems to have more credibility to me than one nutritionist battling another. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/11 at 11:08:49 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
Heres a few clues Rowboat.. The steady intake of any food tends to create allergies for people in industrialized countries. OUr use of antibiotics had a great deal to do with it, Now we have GMO foods,, causing much trouble,,& so much stuff is polluted with additives,, OUr life expectancy isnt getting better folks,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/10/11 at 14:10:29 I'm getting into some more interesting parts in the book. It appears like eating wheat-free is nowhere near as miserable as eating low-fat. In fact, since I have had several years of experience with Atkins, it'll be a cinch. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 07:19:04 You can't eat anything nowadays. Everything is bad for you. I think I'm gonna go eat some worms, no ones said they're bad yet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/11 at 07:56:52 Raise some collard greens.. Theyre easy to raise & taste awwrite if cooked up with some onions, garlic & tomato with some bacon grease. I save all that so I can use it cooking the greens. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 08:04:12 6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
Nope can't eat those either, lack of protein and carbs.. look at how pissed off and malnourished vegetarians are :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/12/11 at 08:09:35 3E293530286E303D2F286A6A5C0 wrote:
Stay away from the ones at the neuclear plant and I hear the ones from bandini mountain have extra zip. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 08:18:00 Quote:
darn it.. now I can't even eat worms.. I heard someone wrote a book on how starvation will kill you as well... so I gotta eat somethin... I'm down ta either a deadly steak, a burrito of death, or a pocket sandwich of premature decomposition... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Sunchasers on 10/12/11 at 08:23:09 There are gluten-free beers available... Redbridge from Budweiser is one that I am aware of, my friends wife drinks it. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/12/11 at 08:25:15 The only folks who make negative (or inane) comments about this concept have not read the book. Anyone who reads the book, and has no biased marketing/sales agenda (Kellogg's for example) comes away convinced. BTW, the book has a large section on all the stuff you CAN eat. The menu is not all that restricted, especially since fat and calories don't have much to do with it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 08:25:53 I say that someone needs ta research what the builders of the Egyptian pyramids ate.. apparently they got nuts done... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 08:31:08 Gyrobob I'm not knocking that ya think the book is good stuff, I'm just knocking the whole nutrition industry in general... one month this is good for ya, the next month that whole grain tuna wrap is what's killin ya, but last year that was the best thing ya could eat type of mentality... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/12/11 at 08:57:13 My great grandfather lived to be 97,If he would have known how to eat right he would she be alive. :'( |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 09:06:55 Mr. Suzuki lived to be around 100.. I thought Ramen was bad for ya???? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/12/11 at 09:22:07 5D4A56534B0D535E4C4B09093F0 wrote:
I agree. We seem to be inundated with don't eat this and don't eat that. If you put everyone's rules together, you couldn't eat anything. This guy, though, doesn't seem to be in the fad diet game. He sure isn't in the selling books game,... "wheat belly" is a boring read. The first half of it is mostly science/research, etc. He's obviously a smart guy, and has a righteous crusade, but you really have to want to understand the concept to get through the book. If for some reason, you just buy into the concept, you can skip 2/3 of it and just go to the "here's what to do" sections. I'm trying it now. Maybe in a month, I'll have something else to say about it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/11 at 09:55:08 36213D382066383527206262540 wrote:
Kinda like the drug ads.. THIS is the Pill for YOU! this year Next year? Law offices of Cheatem & Beatem will represent you in the suit against Big Pharma if you took this pill & have suffered these side effects.. No wonder people have thrown their hands up... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 10/12/11 at 10:02:36 There's some study out now,.. that says, even taking one multi-vitamin a day is bad for you... I'm beginning to think, being studied is bad for you... :-?... I wanna' eat what Bills dad ate... ... probably anything he liked... But Bill,... I bet if he'd known how to eat right,... he'd have died in his forties... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 10/12/11 at 10:08:54 1305120F17020F14600 wrote:
Sometimes I take 2... guess I'm a goner... a dead man walking.. might as well stop riding a motorcycle too.. and smoking and drinking... But back on subject about the book, another way to lose weight is not eat more calories than ya burn with or without exercise... don't put it on and ya won't have ta take it off... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by babyhog on 10/12/11 at 11:55:21 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Kinda like the drug ads.. THIS is the Pill for YOU! this year Next year? Law offices of Cheatem & Beatem will represent you in the suit against Big Pharma if you took this pill & have suffered these side effects.. No wonder people have thrown their hands up...[/quote] Cheatem must have moved practices. I remember when he was with Dewey Cheatem & Howe. Maybe its his brother... ;D Yep, I think studies can be skewed so many different directions, how does one really know? I used to try to gain wait. Ain't happening. I'm 46 and still weigh about as much as I weighed in high school, still less than 120 pounds. Still smoke, drink, and eat what I what, when I want. I'm active though. I think it has alot to do with genetics. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. Yea, its gonna kill me someday. Maybe sooner than later..... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/12/11 at 12:13:59 You can eat 5000 calories a day,If you work off 5001 calories you want gain any weight. My mother was a pill addict all her life she lived to be 94,Her one sister didn't believe in pills,never took a pill til she was 84 she's 90 now and in better health than my mother was at the same age.She also smoked til she was 65,My mother never smoked,their sister died at 82 a pill taker and snuff dipper. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Stimpy - FSO on 10/13/11 at 03:36:30 (funny enough) I was JUST talking about this in another thread: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1318432313 ...thanks for the tip, I'll surely check the book out, already looking in amazon. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Stimpy - FSO on 10/13/11 at 03:48:39 Oh wow, I found a blog, and it's got RECIPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..like this one (yum): http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/10/carrot-cake/ ...just for the record, I'm NOT fat, I'm just trying to eat as clean and raw as possible and to DETOX from daily life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/13/11 at 07:34:12 3314090D1019600 wrote:
Just finished the book last night. This recipe is in the recipe appendix. Having been a low-carber for several years, the high carb content bothers me some. Carrots are loaded with sugar. If I try this one, I'll maybe cut the carrot content in half and substitute some squash or some such. I'll bet it is wonderfully tasty though,.. AND,.... wheat free! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SurfJunkie on 10/13/11 at 11:04:40 I think ive read over a dozen "studies" over the years which clearly state: " people who eat more wheat and whole grains maintain a healthier weight and diet" No its: "Eating wheat will make you fugging DIE/ turn into a fat cow ! " Matter of fact, i reversed my diet to exactly what this book says not to do, and ive lost about 3 pant sizes, and am in the best shape of my life. I eat mostly complex carbs in the form of : Brown rice, wheat pasta, sweet potatoes, yams, wheat bread, whole grain bread, wheat pancakes, actually just about every carb i consume is wheat. I still eat some Organic regular potatoes on occasion, and some white rice on occasion, but mostly all wheat/whole grain. I also have no allergies to speak of. The books, studies, and techniques will work for certain bodies and metabolisms. Diets and such should never be a "one size/rule fits all". But if it works for you and you are happy, its all good ! ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Stimpy - FSO on 10/13/11 at 16:27:51 this is MY Zucchini-Chocolate cake base recipe, enjoy. pics here: http://mitmiristgutkirschenessen.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/choctober/attachment/261020101256/ 1 1/2 cups zucchini (grated, squeezed and drained) 3/4 cup brown sugar (or less, depends on your diet) 1/4 cup butter (or virgin coconut oil/butter) 1/2 cup yogurt 1 egg 1 cup all purpose flour 3/4 cup whole wheat flour (can use Speltwheat or similar flour) 1 teaspoon baking powder 1 teaspoon baking soda 1 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon cinnamon 200-400g milk or dark chocolate (chopped) (…no chocolate at hand? try 2 cups of blueberries instead) 1/2 cup pecans or whatever nuts you have at hand (chopped) 1. Mix the zucchini, sugar, butter, yogurt and egg in a bowl. 2. Mix the flours, baking soda, baking powder, salt and cinnamon in a bowl. 3. Mix the wet and dry ingredients. 4. Mix in the chocolate (or blueberries or whatever) and pecans. 5. Pour the batter into a greased 9×5 inch loaf pan. 6. Bake in a preheated 175C/350F oven until a toothpick pushed into the center comes out clean, about 50-60 minutes. http://mitmiristgutkirschenessen.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/261020101260.jpg?w=575 http://mitmiristgutkirschenessen.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/261020101258.jpg?w=575 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/13/11 at 18:15:54 654344507C43585D5F53360 wrote:
You are surviving in spite of your "diet" not because of it. That your health is as good as it is, is a testament to your genes, not the punishment you are doling out to yourself day after day. Good luck. Hope it doesn't take too long to find out the truth. It took me decades. I did something like what you are doing now. I sure wish I would have understood all this back in the 70's. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/11 at 06:42:34 I just found out Dreamfields Pasta, supposedly low-carb, is not really low carb, and does contain lots of wheat. Arrrrgggghhhhh!!!! I love that stuff. Well, I did love that stuff. Spaghetti squash, anyone??? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/11 at 09:06:54 De Boles organic Jerusalem artichoke based sopaghetti is fine,, expensicve, at $2.50/ 8 oz,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 10/16/11 at 10:47:18 Diets are like religions... ... everyone else's seems ridiculous and misguided except for your own... ... they all seem to require a basic faith in their underlying premiss... ... they all promise magical rewards... My atheism extends to diets too... I just don't believe in magic... ...but, stay tuned for my new "Sea Foam" diet book... I don't have believe to cash in... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/16/11 at 12:16:30 Wheat Germ is one of the worst germ there is,beware. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/11 at 14:24:33 6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
Would that it were wheat-free. One serving has 43 carbs, and the first listed ingredient is semolina,....... wheat! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 10/16/11 at 15:06:58 My Great grandfather lived to be 101. He ate 2 slices of buttered toast and sweet tea with honey for breakfast, soup for lunch, and meat and potatoes for supper. every day. He also smoked 10 rollies, and drank an ounce of whiskey and a glass of stout every day, like clockwork. My great great grandfather was 104 when he died. He was Italian, and ate lots of pasta and drank lots of red wine. He also smoked cigars, although only one a day after he turned 90. I personally think a lot of our problems (diabetes, cancers etc.) have to do with food additives. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/11 at 15:33:02 6E505B464B464B290 wrote:
Would that it were wheat-free. One serving has 43 carbs, and the first listed ingredient is semolina,....... wheat![/quote] Well. POOT! Not much reason to spend that $$$... I dont even remember why I started buying that stuff,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/11 at 17:05:09 3E35353C303F3E2425510 wrote:
an interesting tidbit of anecdotal info,... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/11 at 18:42:21 The Wheat Belly guy (Dr. William Davis) is going to be on Pat Robertson's show (700 club?) tomorrow at 9 eastern. I know, I know,... spare me the comments about Pat Robertson, pro or con. If you want to hear the cardiologist that started all this stuff, here is a chance. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/16/11 at 18:52:11 Wheat is good for you, I eat wheat bread more than white.People come up with that stuff to make money selling a book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/11 at 18:58:14 616A6F6F3534030 wrote:
Wrong. As I mentioned many posts ago, the only folks that make comments like yours are folks that have not read the book. You have not read the book. Besides, if you read the book, you'll see right away this guy is not in the business of writing books,... not for making lot of money in book sales. This book is boring -- the first 2/3 of it is mostly science,.. study after referenced study. If you wade through it, the facts are overwhelming. Wheat is not good for you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/16/11 at 19:57:14 I know the fallacy of excepting one persons viewpoint of an argument. Have you checked the studies yourself? Once had a door to door salesman come to the house, I thew him out cause I couldn't stand his attitude. Kept calling me stupid if I didn't agree with him... every time he opened his mouth the joke came to mind... "how can you tell a salesman is lying?" |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/17/11 at 02:50:16 Wheaties the breakfast of champions. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/11 at 03:40:12 Its getting to the point where we have no way of knowing how to eat safely, foods being GMO now & the hidden ingredients, like MSG, & the corn sweetener syrup, from GMO corn, of course,,Aspartame is slipped into things. Its getting crazy.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/17/11 at 06:26:47 Over the years your body adjust to all the things people are told are bad for you, As long as your not to much over weight you will only die when your time comes.It doesn't matter what you eat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/11 at 09:10:14 2C3F2829363B3D3F346B5A0 wrote:
I agree about buying into one person's opinion. The way he presents his findings, though, is pretty convincing because he shows how other unbiased, reputable, skillful, people/organizations have come up with findings that guided him to his beliefs. That's why I keep saying that if you haven't read the book, all you can rely on is all the hype put out by the government and the "agenda-driven" nutritionists. If you study their "studies" and compare them to unbiased studies, it is hard to not reach the conclusion that the whole-grain wheat thing is a fraud, bordering on being criminal. Anyway, I am SuzukiSavage.com's case study. I started this about a week ago. I'll let you know how it turns out. -- Could be a coincidence, but I have not had a headache or a migraine for 5 days. That has not happened since I was in my 20s. Headache reduction is not something Dr. Davis has advertised as a beneficial result, but on the forums and the WB facebook page, a lot of folks have had similar results. -- I'm three pounds lighter, but at 209, that could just be within the margin of error over such a short time period. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/11 at 09:12:18 717A7F7F2524130 wrote:
What you eat matters a lot. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/17/11 at 09:26:07 I'm 5 6 weight 150lbs same weight I was when I got out of high school.I know a little about eating. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/11 at 09:46:33 23282D2D7776410 wrote:
Correct. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/17/11 at 09:59:26 I'm with Bill on this,...(can't believe I said that)... ;D... The question isn't whether you'll see results,... of course you will, (you're cutting out part of your diet)... The question is,.. is this result coming from a reduction of wheat products, or just the result of losing some weight?... Drop some lbs, and you'll feel different in many ways...(maybe even migraines)...joint pains, energy, etc... That's why most any cockamamie diet will work... as long as you're leaving something out, you'll lose weight... The denser the calories of the item you leave off the better it will work... ... but basically,.. food is fuel. Our bodies convert it all to sugars to burn, or excesses to fat to store... The best diet is one that replaces higher calorie foods with lower ones... This is basically the Atkins diet wearing a new hat... PS... doing a little research of my own,.. One of Dr. "Wheat Belly's" claims is,... Quote:
While many crops are genetically modified,... I can't find anything about modified wheat... GM foods has been trying to develop and market a genetically modified wheat,... but it ain't there yet... ... a list of genetically foods include,.. corn, soybeans, sugar beets, canola oils, papaya, sugar cane, rice, squash, peppers,.. ... but, not wheat... Not finding any modified wheat... other than in Dr. Wheat Belly's related links.. Is his wheat,... a red herring?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/11 at 12:32:47 I have been an Atkins drone for eight years. Huge benefits for me,,.. solved a blood problem that had been unsolvable for decades, lost 30 pounds, cholesterol and blood pressure improved a lot, felt better, joints felt smooth again, on and on and on. So, this wheat-free thing is not a huge change for me. Like you say, it is mostly Atkins minus wheat. Fine with me. Anything that changes for me now will be a small case study in the diff between Atkins normal and Atkins sans wheat. Forget all the cosmic diet hype. I don't need no stinkin diet. I've been 210 for 8 years. Being 6'3" that is a reasonable weight. I just didn't have any idea about the magnitude of the whole-grain fraud being perpetrated on the public by the government and the mega-companies selling the stuff. Unfortunately it sounds as if most the folks here in this discussion are basing their opinions on the historical hype. That don' bother me none. That's normal in these kinds of situations. Most of you are not stupid. It would please me to no end, though, if one or two of you would actually read the book and contribute from a more learned basis. Till then, I can quite easily handle being the cry in the dark trying to get some folks more enlightened. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/17/11 at 14:15:19 7B454E535E535E3C0 wrote:
Most?... I got that...;D ;D ;D... I'm mostly just arguing for arguments sake... If you have a "Wheat Belly",... I hope this gets rid of it for ya'... ;)... Most folks have a jelly belly,... need to cut the jelly's... ;D... Me,... I'm a weed,... 5'7" 140lbs... I struggled up to 150 once, just to say I'd been there... didn't like it... I eat anything,... try to get plenty veggies in,.. try to leave some fats out ... that's about it... I say nuttin's bad for you,,.. 'cept too much of anythin'... Tonight,.. beef, potato, and onion perogie's,... with green beans and salsa casera... ... Buahahahaha!... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/18/11 at 14:02:15 7563746971646972060 wrote:
Most?... I got that...;D ;D ;D... I'm mostly just arguing for arguments sake... If you have a "Wheat Belly",... I hope this gets rid of it for ya'... ;)... Most folks have a jelly belly,... need to cut the jelly's... ;D... Me,... I'm a weed,... 5'7" 140lbs... I struggled up to 150 once, just to say I'd been there... didn't like it... I eat anything,... try to get plenty veggies in,.. try to leave some fats out ... that's about it... I say nuttin's bad for you,,.. 'cept too much of anythin'... Tonight,.. beef, potato, and onion perogie's,... with green beans and salsa casera... ... Buahahahaha!... ;D...[/quote] My reason to start Atkins 8 years ago was a blood yeast imbalance, of all things. The doc put me on a diet that sounded a lot like Atkins, so I just bought a book and Atkins-ized myself. It fixed the problem and I lost 30 lbs as a nice side benefit. Enjoyed a lot of other benefits as well. I never have had a wheat belly. I've just looked a little heftier sometimes (240 lbs) and skinnier sometimes (180 lbs when I was 20). Never had an "overhang." The term "wheat belly" refers to a condition brought on by wheat, which makes you look like you have a saggy flabby basketball under your shirt. -- It's caused by a different way the wheat damages your body. -- Wheat creates visceral fat,... a really damaging situation where your internal organs get infested and covered with fat, and gives you a disproportionately sized belly that tends to hang over your belt. -- A plain ol' fat person just stores gobs of fat all over, which doesn't say anything about visceral fat, it just says they are fat. They may well have visceral fat too. So if you have a mildly fat body, but you have a large overhang, belly-wise, you are doing some pretty nasty things to yourself. Stop eating wheat. It'll not only suck your belly back in, it might well add years of pleasant life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by sluggo on 10/20/11 at 03:53:07 it was best said in analize this. gangsters speaking "do yuz got a diet sandwich, buddy replied ya we do, it's half a sandwich" |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/20/11 at 07:54:02 6A756C7E7E76190 wrote:
These statements make the same point: A smoker is dying from emphysema. He is a two pack a day smoker. His "solution" is to smoke only one pack a day. or Exercising is great. I thought about exercising today three times, but didn't do it,.. I missed three opportunities to exercise. I think tomorrow I'll only think about exercising once,.. that way I will only miss one opportunity. or My sobriety program is based on reduction of intake. I have been drinking 12 beers and a bottle of wine every day. In the future I will have only 6 beers and I'll leave some wine in the bottle. In each of these examples, the diff between their "program" and cessation is night and day. That's the way it is with this wheat thing. We never knew wheat was so detrimental. Cutting down on wheat will not do much. Eliminating it works wonders. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/20/11 at 08:55:59 I had my morning bowl of Wheaties sprinkled with Wheat Germ,Breakfast of champions. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by babyhog on 10/20/11 at 10:15:27 373C39396362550 wrote:
Now Bill, how do you ever expect to become bill68 with a breakfast like that? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SurfJunkie on 10/20/11 at 11:31:01 As i had stated in my previous post, same diet doesn't work on all metabolisms and body types. People are different from this cool thing called genetics. Their ancestors ate things from specific regions, and thus their bodies evolved to be able to digest it. Just like Milk. Some people posses the enzyme Lactase to break it down, others don't and are lactose intolerant. "Lactose intolerance is more common in people with Asian, African, Native American, or Mediterranean ancestry than it is among northern and western Europeans" It can be caused by other things, but genetics are 95% of it. There is no one size fits all diet model. If whatever you are doing is making you happy and working for you, then CONGRATS ! Also, Are you sure you arent experiencing Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity , or wheat allergy ?? http://gluten-intolerance-symptoms.com/#a2 "Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity is currently a little more difficult to pinpoint. Basically, individuals who suffer from NCGS suffer very similarly to people with Celiac Disease, but the blood test which identifies and diagnoses celiac disease returns as negative. The only way to confidently diagnose NCGS is through a gluten free diet (I’ll write more about NCGS in the future as it is an interesting topic which more directly addresses the controversy around the term gluten allergy symptoms). Recent research and current gluten intolerance statistics suggest that 5% to 10% of the population may suffer from some form of gluten intolerance, and yet a vast majority of these individuals have not yet been properly diagnosed. The third category is wheat allergy symptoms. The origin of wheat allergy symptoms are fundamentally different than gluten intolerance or celiac disease symptoms, but some might call it gluten allergy symptoms. This is a histamine response to wheat, much like a peanut allergy or hay fever. Wheat allergies manifest themselves in a wide variety of manners which can be different for different people. Some people experience hives while others might experience stomach pain." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/20/11 at 17:46:15 0B2D2A3E122D3633313D580 wrote:
You assume that we are talking mutully exclusive absolutes. You seem to imply there are some bodies that thrive on one diet, and die on another. Not the case. What IS the case is that these are tendencies, preferences, degrees, etc. While I might lose 10lbs a week on a low carb diet, you might only lose 7. The low carb principle applies to us all, regardless of metabolic differences. Same with wheat. Some bodies have a better resistance to the damage caused by wheat ingestion, some have drastic responses. The suffering from wheat applies to us all, regardless of our ability to fight it off. Said another way, you may seem real healthy even when you are eating a lot of government-recommended Kellogg-hyped whole-grain stuff. If you simply stop eating wheat, you will improve. Not as much as someone who is constantly stricken with all kinds of symptoms from eating wheat and not knowing what they do to themselves, but you will improve nonetheless. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/22/11 at 09:07:07 This thread has grown to the size of a wheat field |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/22/11 at 18:05:44 7C6B77726A2C727F6D6A28281E0 wrote:
Uck |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/22/11 at 20:33:24 09373C212C212C4E0 wrote:
Uck[/quote] It's ok, we can use this wheat to brew some beer... :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/22/11 at 20:35:39 Beer brewed from grains has similar longterm health problems to eating wheat. Maybe being made from wheat has something to do with it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/22/11 at 20:45:43 Once you're drunk you won't care about it anymore :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/23/11 at 14:50:29 I eat whole grain wheat bread every day,reduces risk of heart disease and cancer.Also a good source of fiber,iron, zinc, and vitamin B. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 10/23/11 at 15:51:56 Every day gullable people are being pulled in various directions believing there's a quick easy magical fix thanks in great part to the efforts of slick marketers of fraudulent and potentially dangerous diets. The hype is so powerful Americans are getting sucked in by the millions. Feasts of bacon and eggs, cheeseburgers, and lobster dripping with melted butter. They explain that "fat doesn't make you fat, carbs make you fat." They've all somehow done the impossible. Fat loss is a two-step process. First adipose material has to be released from an adipose cell, and then the fatty acids have to be shuttled into the mitochondria of a muscle cell where they can be burned as fuel. In these low-carb "fad" diets no mention is made of water. No mention is made of caloric consumption. No mention is made of the thermic effect of food. No mention is made of exercise. The illusion is, "just cut carbs and you'll love life and have the body of your dreams." Here is the secret of fitness and weight loss: EAT LESS - MOVE MORE ;) ...end of story. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/23/11 at 17:19:37 Heck,, I was a tiny guy, I was 21 with a 24 inch waist. Had to buy my shirts in the boys dept. I ate pizza at the All You can eat buffet & drank beer & worked hard, rode my 10 speed like a mad man. At 25 I had 28 inch Thighs & a 30 inch waist, I was running sub 5 minute miles when I was 16, still able at 28,. Carbs, eat them if you have high metabolism & are very active, cut them if not, Fats? Your brain runs on fat,. eat real butter, use olive oil, dont scrim there. Eat fried foods regularly?? Youre on your way to an early grave. Do liver cleanses, get the crud out, Of course, pizza is no longer eaten more than twice a year, its too fattening & WAY too full of garbage. Im gonna go on a diet to defeat candida. I think that may be whats keeping me down. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/23/11 at 17:21:32 7E7570702A2B1C0 wrote:
Yup,.. that is historically the line the government and mega-money agribusiness and food manufacturers want you to believe. You even believe you are doing yourself some good with the whole-grain fraud. Study the issue a bit and you might change your mind. or, keep believing the same old hype and continue damaging yourself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/23/11 at 17:38:55 735441524C4946544552200 wrote:
You are with bill, then, I take it? Believing the same old spew put out by the bureaucrats, big money agribusiness, and mega money outfits like Kellogg's and General Mills. I don't blame you. You have simply been convinced by these folks that lotsa whole-grain wheat is good for you. You will remain convinced until you make a little effort to enlighten yourself on the issue. I do notice that none of the naysayers here have read the book,.. or have done any other research to find the truth. Rest assured, whole grain wheat, in fact whole-grain anything is not healthy. We were not designed to eat that. Our genetic programming is optimized for meat, fish, fowl, green leafy stuff, and some nuts and fruits here and there. When we became "civilized" and started to grow crops is when the trouble started, and our genetics have had nowhere near enough time to adapt. This statement, "Feasts of bacon and eggs, cheeseburgers, and lobster dripping with melted butter. They explain that "fat doesn't make you fat, carbs make you fat..." is mostly true. The only falsity here is that cheeseburgers are bad because they have lots of carbs from the bun. What you do think your body does with melted butter if it has few carbs to go along with it? You haven't studied the issue if you say it sticks somewhere inside you. Yes, they are right, ..carbs make you fat. If you give your body lots of carbs, it burns the carbs for energy and stores the fat. If you restrict the carbs, it burns the fat and does not store it. Pretty simple, actually. Pretty simple because it is not much more than a return to the way our bodies were designed to eat. I would think most of you here would agree that blood sugar spikes are unhealthy, leading to heart problems, obesity, and diabetes. Which causes a more drastic blood sugar spike,.. a Snickers bar or a slice of whole wheat bread? Most of the comments here don't have much credibility because they are either based on feelings or on government/bigbusiness hype. I would sure like to see some comments from someone who had actually read the book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/23/11 at 19:04:16 I eat wheat bread, pizza. candy, cheeseburgers, donuts.lot of coffee, biscuits and gravy. Now I'm at 150# at 5 6 I do need to cut down on eating and do more. Gyro you know those books you read people make money on them. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/23/11 at 19:18:06 3A3134346E6F580 wrote:
People make money on the computer you use, the garbage you eat, and the hype you believe in, as well. Your point would be,.... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 10/23/11 at 19:18:50 7A7174742E2F180 wrote:
I'm 145-150lbs @ 5'7... maybe you should cut back on the wheat :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/24/11 at 07:19:24 5344585D45035D5042450707310 wrote:
I'm 145-150lbs @ 5'7... maybe you should cut back on the wheat :D[/quote] Good idea as far as it goes. Eliminating the wheat would be a lot better. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/24/11 at 07:45:00 The wheat is the healthiest part,I would never do that . |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/24/11 at 09:38:53 142A213C313C31530 wrote:
Catch 22... The opinion of others is not credible, because they haven't read a book the agrees totally with me, and disagrees with all conventional knowledge...... I am more knowledgeable because I have based all my beliefs on a book that you haven't read... and this book tells me that everyone else is lying... All government, nutritionists, science, and experts, that disagree with my book are in a conspiracy, because my book is true,... it tells me so... Sounds more like a cult than a nutritional guide... Gyro,... I'm surprised that this is coming from you... This is nutritional Seafoam,... backed by Seafoam science... documented in Seafoam's own book... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/24/11 at 09:44:51 I haven't read anything by the FDA.. and I don't trust those guys either... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/24/11 at 11:03:59 6573647961747962160 wrote:
Catch 22... The opinion of others is not credible, because they haven't read a book the agrees totally with me, and disagrees with all conventional knowledge...... I am more knowledgeable because I have based all my beliefs on a book that you haven't read... and this book tells me that everyone else is lying... All government, nutritionists, science, and experts, that disagree with my book are in a conspiracy, because my book is true,... it tells me so... Sounds more like a cult than a nutritional guide... Gyro,... I'm surprised that this is coming from you... This is nutritional Seafoam,... backed by Seafoam science... documented in Seafoam's own book... [/quote] +1 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/24/11 at 13:01:21 4553445941545942360 wrote:
Catch 22... The opinion of others is not credible, because they haven't read a book the agrees totally with me, and disagrees with all conventional knowledge...... I am more knowledgeable because I have based all my beliefs on a book that you haven't read... and this book tells me that everyone else is lying... All government, nutritionists, science, and experts, that disagree with my book are in a conspiracy, because my book is true,... it tells me so... Sounds more like a cult than a nutritional guide... Gyro,... I'm surprised that this is coming from you... This is nutritional Seafoam,... backed by Seafoam science... documented in Seafoam's own book... [/quote] Don't put words in my mouth. You have no way of knowing if this is nutritional seafoam or not. All the others chiming in here with their feelings/opinions based on government hype don't either. No one can make credible statements on the issue if they don't understand both sides of the issue. I'm as smart as the next guy. When I first read the book, my bias was that it was "nutritional seafoam." As I got further into it, and started checking out his claims from robust studies and research, I started becoming a little more neutral. Then, after I did some internet research of my own, I realized that he is on to something here. The main concept is,... wheat is bad. He's right. The book is not a fad diet book. -- If you ever do read it, it won't be an exciting read because he presents each point as something learned from real facts learned from smart people. This thing won't be a best seller by keeping you on the edge of your seat. :-? -- The first portion of the book is mostly science-ish, with very little in the way of assertions. He simply presents findings of responsible people. -- The middle part of the book relates mainly to "here's how you can be wheat-free" techniques. -- The aft fourth of the book is recipes and references. Approx the last 1/8" of the book is just references to legitimate research. Again, I don't blame you or anyone else here for your prejudice. I felt the same way. We all have lived through the better part of a century of the governnment (and big business) lying to us about wheat. As Goebbles said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." You are as smart as the next guy too. Investigate this thing and tell me what you think. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/24/11 at 14:03:02 I wonder how the hardcore vegetarians and vegans feel about the anti-wheat lobbyist campaign... wheat makes up 99% of their diet I bet... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/24/11 at 14:14:05 Quote:
Fair enough,... now, point me to the research... instead of the book... So far,.. the research I've seen says Dr WheatBelly is wrong... ;D ;D ;D.. PS,... I finally got the "0-60 in 2 seconds less?"... That's what you gain in speed, if you lose the belly, right?... Only took me 90 posts... :-?... my tack in now sharp... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/24/11 at 17:02:11 6C7B67627A3C626F7D7A38380E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/24/11 at 18:42:28 6177607D65707D66120 wrote:
Whew. The first person to actually admit to the idea there might another side of the issue other than government hype! When you do this kind of research, it is hard to get away from research cloaked in objectivity, but biased nonetheless. Most of the government research starts off with the idea that "whole-grains are good, therefore our studies will prove this." Most of this research is BORING. Here are a few examples. Discoveries like these caused me want to investigate it further. Emily Deans, Psychiatrist.. "The hunt for evolutionary solutions to contemporary mental health problems" She found a correlation between wheat intake and schizophrenia. Lisa C. Hudgins's study: Effect of High-Carbohydrate Feeding on Triglyceride and Saturated Fatty Acid Synthesis. She showed that hi-carbs increase triglycerides, fat does not. In the US, we get more than half of our carbs from wheat. Westman, Yancy and others research: A low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet to treat type 2 diabetes. They showed that low-carb can reduce the blood-sugar/insulin problem so significantly that diabetics can stop taking drugs. The China Study by Cornell U's Dr. Colin Campbell. He did an exhaustive study of diet and health in China over 20 years. That's the good news. The bad news is that he didn't tell the whole story. He probably didn't realize the whole story. Several folks have found in Campbell's data a positive correlation between wheat and heart disease, stroke, and several cancers. Dr. Stephan Guyanet. His deal is to study the neurobiology of body fat regulation and obesity. He discovered some more about the China studies that showed the negative effect of wheat on health. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/wheat-is-invading-china.html Barbara Allen. From her book "Conquering arthritis" wheat in the form of flour or grain makes arthritis worse Dr. T Pearsall. Avoid wheat lose weight. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=robo&p=avoid%20wheat%20lose%20weight Kristjan Mar Gunnarsson, Worst Food to Eat to Lose Weight http://www.kriskris.com/worst-foods-to-eat/ Cordain. Cereal Grains, Humanity's Double-edged Sword. He found that when people became "civilized" and adopted grain into the diet, the life span decreased, osteoroporosis first appeared, infections increased, first evidence of diabetes, greater infant mortality. I don't hold these up as conclusive proof, so let's don't debate the issue on this small sample. I came up with these just now after about 30 min of internet wander just to show you these sources exist. I didn't decide to get the book until I had studied the issue for several days. I still say, if you read the book and you saw the huge amount of advanced effort put into the research, you might alter your opinion. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/24/11 at 18:52:33 Gyrobob I'm not knocking your health conscious concerns, but everything I've read and seen about Dr. Davis and his work seems to be an "out of left field" diet fad scam... but like you say, I still haven't read the book but I did listen to his interview on Underground Wellness radio... and it sounded like he might as well been on Coast To Coast AM with Art Bell.. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/24/11 at 19:11:42 47504C495117494456511313250 wrote:
I understand your attitude. It pretty much can't be helped with all the hype and counter-hype these days. I can relate exactly to what you say because I had just the same reaction! Good grief, what will they say next!!! The thing is, though, lots of folks said the same thing about Atkins,.. they still do. I had spent years and years with seemingly unrelated problems having to do with blood disorders. Finally I found a Doc who said it looks like a yeast imbalance and he asked, "did you ever have massive doses of antibiotics when you were a kid." Yup. I had polio and complications therewith. One of the treatments in the late 40s was gobs of penecillin, etc. He put me on a low-carb (for low blood sugar) and low fermented food diet. It looked an awful lot like Atkins, so I looked into it and did the Atkins thing. Even then, I was sort of embarrassed to admit I was doing something like a fad diet. Presto-zappo, it not only cleared up the blood trouble, my cholesterol became normal, tryglycerides plummeted, cholesterol ratios were marvelous for the first time in decades, and I lost 30 pounds. All this happened when 99% of the hype was anti-Atkins. I wasn't embarrassed anymore. When I really studied this stuff with the stupid title of Wheat Belly, I guess I became a convert, partly because my skepticism wilted with the preponderance of evidence, and because I gave Atkins a shot when it was viewed a such a silly fad scam. I appreciate your candor. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/25/11 at 01:50:35 Gyro you can read books and do your life like other people think,Or you can start thinking for yourself and do your life like you think. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Arnold on 10/25/11 at 12:09:52 Most important part of reading, reading between the lines. I'd rather be wrong by myself rather than being told what to do. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by RidgeRunner13 on 10/25/11 at 12:23:45 What amazes me the most is some of you guys that are so concerned about your health ride motorcycles!! :o You have heard some people think they are hazardous to your health? :-/ I think there are some studies to that effect, anyway. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 13:42:45 545F5A5A0001360 wrote:
Sheeesh. How do YOU learn things? Do you automatically discount the findings/research of people a lot smarter than you? The folks doing this research are certainly more knowledgable than I!!! Do you pay attention to only that which you research personally? If yes, what is it that you would research? Caveman art? If you did research to learn about things, where would you go if you did not seek out the knowledge others have developed? What a wacky statement. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 13:46:01 03160D0E0E07160710620 wrote:
Zackly!!! That is why you do your OWN research. Find out everything you can about a subject, then tally up all your findings, and make your own decision! Without doing your own research, you, in effect, are being told what to do. Very good Arnold. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/25/11 at 13:47:22 Gyro don't think for yourself you might get a migraine headache. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 14:11:22 505B5E5E0405320 wrote:
Funny you should mention that. For the past three decades I have had maybe three or four headaches a week. Sometimes they'd last for a few days. Some were real humdingers,... mighta been migraines, not sure. Around maybe 8 Oct, I started wheat-free-ness. My last headache was on the 10th. I'm crossing my fingers, but not since my 20s have I gone for two weeks with no headaches. So, maybe it is too early to tell, but thinking for myself has eliminated the headaches, not the other way around. There are a few other changes that might be happening, but I am going to wait another few weeks to see if those changes are just wishful thinking or not. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/25/11 at 14:16:00 I honestly don't get headaches,I remember when I was young of having a few. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 14:25:25 6A6164643E3F080 wrote:
I envy you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/11 at 16:22:12 As long as what you thinks & say is what youve been taught all your life, youre thinking for yourself, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 17:49:00 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
As long as what you think and say is only what you've been taught all your life, you're thinking by yourself, and denying yourself all the knowledge available that might lead to a more intelligent life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/25/11 at 19:12:40 I have 4 kids,only one went to college and finished,Now anyone on here that got kids were some went to college and others didn't,Tell me how much smarter the ones that went to college are than your other kids that justed graduated from high school. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/25/11 at 20:19:11 Dr. Davis is lobbying the Wheat Industry, what a nice paycheck he's gonna get from them... what a brilliant guy... maybe I will buy and read his book.. then once he's paid off by the Wheat Industry and wheat is good for you again I'll buy that book from him and read it too.. instead of exercising... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 20:27:52 5B5055550F0E390 wrote:
A lot smarter |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 20:29:28 697E62677F39676A787F3D3D0B0 wrote:
This is confusing. Are you saying his plan is for the Wheat industry to shut him up by giving him a lot of money? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 10/25/11 at 20:43:14 2719120F020F02600 wrote:
This is confusing. Are you saying his plan is for the Wheat industry to shut him up by giving him a lot of money?[/quote] I am thinly speculating on that, but not accusing.. still doing my research on the whole subject without reading the book yet. My sarcasm and jokes don't work to well unless you know me in person... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/25/11 at 20:46:38 485F43465E18464B595E1C1C2A0 wrote:
This is confusing. Are you saying his plan is for the Wheat industry to shut him up by giving him a lot of money?[/quote] I am thinly speculating on that, but not accusing.. still doing my research on the whole subject without reading the book yet. My sarcasm and jokes don't work to well unless you know me in person...[/quote] Ah. Maybe you should use more smileys so we can tell the sarcasm from the irreverence from the assertions. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/25/11 at 21:24:53 You know what, I'm gonna try it for 30 days. I already avoid sugar like the plague, don't eat candy or junk food (I hate sweets), and avoid starchy foods (potatoes, white rice, pasta). Starting Nov. 1 I'm gonna do it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 10/25/11 at 23:11:24 I know there are a "experts" that are owned by their demons... There are also "experts" that make their fortune pointing their fingers at them... they serve their own demons... Dr. WheatBelly is selling a book... this is hardly an altruistic enterprise... There's more than one way to skin a cat... You can pick the demon of your choice... and follow his advice if you like it... Life is a banquet... you choose how many times you come to the table,... and you pick your poison... Ain't nobody gettin' out of here alive, anyway... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/26/11 at 02:51:55 625C574A474A47250 wrote:
A lot smarter[/quote] Wrong there isn't any difference. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 05:07:39 6D66636339380F0 wrote:
A lot smarter[/quote] Wrong there isn't any difference.[/quote] Well, you and I must have different definitions for "smarter." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 05:50:08 34233F3A22643A3725226060560 wrote:
WOW!!!! I am impressed. You and me, buddy. We'll be doing the same thing. I am just a few weeks ahead of you, so it'll be good to compare notes. We also have some similarities about the way we are starting this. -- For me I switched to wheat-free after having been a low-carber for 8 years. In other words, switching from low-carb (Atkins) with wheat, to low-carb (Atkins) without wheat, is not as much of a change as it would be for a person who was eating a typical American diet (hi-carb, lots of processed food). The wheat-free diet is real similar to Atkins, just no wheat. -- For you, you have already made some pretty healthy choices too,... no sugar, no candy/sweets, reduced starchy foods, (which are very high-carb). Getting rid of any and all wheat, will be a pretty big change, nonetheless. I have been trying to get my wife to do just what you are doing,.. just try it for a month. All I get from her is raspberries, and I don't mean fruit. One of the things Dr. Davis does with a lot of his cardio patients is to get them to try wheat-free for just one month too, and just see what happens. One reason he does this is psychological -- often people will try something properly if they feel like it won't last forever. He says when he just recommends his patients simply switch, a lot of them don't stick to the procedures very well, and the results are minimal. Too intimidating, I guess. Most folks say they can do ANYTHING for a month, but to ask them to change 50 years of diet habits forever, seems a lot more daunting. So, I am encouraged that you are going to give it your best for the whole month of November. It will be interesting to see how well you can "stay on the wagon" during T-day. (no dressing, no gravy, no potatoes, no candied sweet potatoes, no rolls, no pie, etc.) Now, the wheat-free set has lots of alternatives for these blood-sugar-spiker foods, so they won't be disadvantaged. I always had explanations available when I got to someone's house for a holiday visit. This year it'll be, "Sorry, it sure looks great, but they are keeping me off of wheat for a while." (always blame it on somebody else, eh?) Try to note various aspects of your physical and emotional life right now, so you can be aware of the changes that might happen. On the Wheat Belly facebook page, folks are reporting these kinds of changes, some of which the Doc never thought about when he started all this: tinnitus decreased, fewer headaches decreased appetite get full sooner at each meal an emotional downer for a few days (withdrawal?) followed by more energy with happier moods thereafter, loss of weight, thicker hair after a few months, tryglycerides went way down, dandruff went away, areas of rough skin smoothed up, arthritus pain went away, fewer muscle aches and pains, knees didn't hurt anymore when doing things like cleaning wheels, runners ran easier, cholesterol ratios improved, blood pressure went down, irritability decreased, acne went away, eyeball floaters decreased, diabetics had their a1c levels decrease to the point of not being classified diabetic anymore, I'm probably leaving out a lot, and I am sure you and I won't realize all of these benefits,... hopefully at least a few, though. Most folks on that page report just one or two of these improvements each. I have already experienced a few of these,... disappearance of headaches, decreased appetite, get full sooner at each meal, lost a few more pounds. Keep us posted. This is delightful. Now we'll have two case studies to prove or disprove the whole idea. Anyone else wanna try? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/26/11 at 06:10:56 Well, CRAPPOLA,, I am starting on a Candida fighting diet, so, I googled Wheat Candida,,, not a good thing,, so, I guess Im onboard. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 06:18:33 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
My oh my oh my!! The times, they are a changin' Fantastic. What has been your diet for the past year or so? Another question,.. What do you mean by Candida fighting diet? I'm wondering if this is the same thing that got me onto Atkins several years ago. One of my problems was candida albicans,.. something a Doc thought might have been the result of massive antibiotic treatments as a child. The Atkins regimen did the trick, with several other nice benefits as well. When will you start being wheat-free? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 10/26/11 at 06:26:50 78464D505D505D3F0 wrote:
Yeah I'll be looking into those claims of decreased tinnitus and might try it myself. I have bad tinnitus that drives me nuts (really, I've tried everything, hypnosis, traveled 1000 miles for special treatments, fasted for 2 weeks straight, bought $12,000+ worth of "live with it" considered fixing it with a shotgun blast, or at least cutting my hearing nerves to just be deaf, listening to white noise right now, etc. (parenthetically, it sucks :D)) so maybe I will try a different diet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/26/11 at 06:38:08 Whats making me give this a chance are 2 things: 1. Yes mankind was "raised" on wheat 2. It is not the same wheat today (due to cross pollination, insecticides) I don't eat much wheat as it is (not at every meal at least), but I do need more energy, that's my only ailment right now. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/26/11 at 06:46:44 The more books you buy on it the better it will work(In your Head) Bread the staff of life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 07:12:53 22292C2C7677400 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 10/26/11 at 07:15:09 I have been wheat free for a week now after reading this thread. I am type 2 diabetic, so I have been watching my carbs for 10 years now. My carb of choice is the potato, and I was eating wheat based cereals and breads. I switched to corn bread but have not found a wheat free sugar free cereal yet. Too bat there isn't a potato based cereal out there . |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/11 at 07:26:59 Rice Krispies, now there's a gluten free version. although probably not sugar free. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/26/11 at 08:10:47 636868616D626379780C0 wrote:
Can you make your own cereal without using a flour that's bad for you (I don't know anything about diabetes)? There are homemade recipes for cereal out there, and you can switch out the ingredients and leave any sugar of course... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2011/06/homemade-cold-breakfast-cereal-grain-free/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 10/26/11 at 09:14:32 465542435C5157555E01300 wrote:
I had forgotten all about rice crispies! I used to like how they whispered to me when I was a kid. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 09:25:28 756671706F6264666D32030 wrote:
242F2F262A25243E3F4B0 wrote:
One of the basics of the Wheat Belly plan is that it is low-carb plain and simple, but with the added benefit of no wheat. Low-carb means no (or very little of) other starchy carbos like pototoes, rice, oats,... grains in general. This is because one of the truly damaging effects of high-carb eating, made even worse when the carbs are from wheat, is that these carbs cause blood-sugar spikes and all kinds of insulin problems, which, if they continue, yank you into diabetes. So, the Wheat Belly thing is low-carb and of the carbs you do eat, no wheat AT ALL. Any kind of Rice Krispies won't do because rice is high carb. Potatoes and corn bread aren't as bad as wheat, but they still are high carb. If you really must partake, try to make the quantities small. Some good news here is that after a week or two, most of us notice a decrease in appetite, and a feeling of fullness with much smaller quantities. When my current wife and I go out to eat now, I always have to get a "to go" box because I just can't eat the whole plate of food anymore,.. and I am too cheap to just leave it there. :-[ The book has some very favorable results for diabetics, as does the facebook page. Sometimes the problem disappears altogether. This is incredible to me that some of you guys are joining in. Just wonderful! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 09:29:35 4B5C40455D1B45485A5D1F1F290 wrote:
Can you make your own cereal without using a flour that's bad for you (I don't know anything about diabetes)? There are homemade recipes for cereal out there, and you can switch out the ingredients and leave any sugar of course... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2011/06/homemade-cold-breakfast-cereal-grain-free/[/quote] The book has lists of recipes, and I am pretty sure there are some cerealesque items in there. Also try http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/ There are links to all kinds of recipes there, including cereal. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 10/26/11 at 09:35:32 I have to finish off all these homemade chicken fried steaks before I start my new diet.. 150lbs, 5 foot 7, 34 years old (going on 21), 17% body fat, smoke, drink, ride a motorcycle, live reckless, watch what I eat though... no health problems... nearly 120/80 blood pressure, all my vitals are in excellent shape (I donate plasma at least twice a month and it's checked there).. don't exercise (I've been doing temp construction for the last few months because I moved).. we'll see if no wheat for a month can get my energy/motivation back up to where I want to start working out again.. plus I have seasonal depression.. ugh :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 09:40:57 Arteacher, some of the now-wheat-free diabetics on the Wheat Belly facebook page have gotten their a1c levels down into the 80 to 85mg/dl range, which is darn near non-diabetic. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 10/26/11 at 12:12:36 If I don't eat carbs my sugars crash- down to 2.4 in one instance, We use a different system of measurement up here (mml/L) in which 5-7 is normal, and 2 is very hypoglycemic- near coma territory. I talked to my doctor about the Atkins diet and he thinks it would be very dangerous for me as it would be very difficult to adjust medications (insulin) while I was on it, and would be hard on my liver, which has already suffered damage from the diabetes. I can reduce the amount of carb intake and adjust my insulin dose, and have tried it, but it is a crap shoot. If I ever did go into a coma the emergency response is an injection of glucose, and there is no one in the house that can do that. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/11 at 12:32:06 454E4E474B44455F5E2A0 wrote:
Wow. You are a special situation I know nothing about. Maybe after just staying off wheat and other whole-grains, you might see some changes. Hope it works for you, too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/26/11 at 14:06:05 Warning if you people don't quit eating wheat your gonna die one of these days. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/26/11 at 15:12:15 Bill67, link me to your pic and bike.. I wanna see this rascal.. lol |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/26/11 at 15:35:02 Page 5 on lets see you and your ride. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/29/11 at 20:09:21 10 pages strong... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/29/11 at 20:24:21 Ive come to think that maybe, just maybe, the things I crave are exactly what I otta not eat. Ive also noticed I never crave sardines, so, maybe I'd otta eat them more often.. ugghh,, but, they are edible & will at least make me not hungry for a while, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 10/29/11 at 23:11:21 ... on toast JOG,... Yummm!... you Yanks know nothing... Wheatbelly be darned!.... If sardines don't appeal,... try kippers... (that's smoked herring)... Double yummmm!... ...a sardine can be any kind of fish the size of your thumb, but usually herring... mostly in tomato sauce, but try mustard sauce... delish!... and get your omega-3's... I always figure,.. if I crave something, my body needs it... Funny , how many times I've been in a store here in America, ,... and people have seen me buying kippers, and they ask... "What are those?"... Health wise,.. sardines and kippers are small fish, short lived,... very low in mercury.... very high in omega-3's... God's gift.... Nuttin' better... ;)... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 02:11:27 Well,, I'm not TRying to be difficult, Im really not,, but, well,, I cant have bread, or, crackers, no matter if they have wheat or not, I cant have mouseturd or ketchup, either. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 10:39:54 Here's something I stole from the WheatBellyblog and modified only slightly. It is a bit brief compared to the book, and it doesn't show how most of the "Eliminate" and "Never" stuff has lotsa ways to come up with alternatives. --------------------------------------------- Eliminate: All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles, pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels, crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), cornstarch-based products (sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos, tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies Enjoy unlimited: Vegetables [ch9472] except potatoes; fresh or frozen, never canned Raw nuts and seeds [ch9472] raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts, pistachios, Brazil nuts, cashews; dry-roasted peanuts (not roasted in oil); pumpkin and sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts Healthy oils (unheated) [ch9472] olive, flaxseed, coconut, avocado, walnut Meats [ch9472] red meats, pork, fish, chicken, turkey, eggs Non-wheat grains [ch9472] ground flaxseed, chia seeds Teas, coffee, water, unsweetened almond milk, coconut milk or coconut water Cheeses -- real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice processed cheese) Avocado or guacamole; hummus; unsweetened condiments, e.g., mayonnaise, mustard, oil-based salad dressings; ketchup without high-fructose corn syrup; pesto, tapenades; olives Limited: Fruit [ch9472] No more than 2 servings a day (one serving is a level handful), preferably in this order (best first): berries of all varieties, citrus, apples, nectarines, peaches, melons. Minimize bananas, pineapples, mangoes, and grapes Fruit juices [ch9472] only real juices and in minimal quantities (no more than 2-4 oz) Dairy products [ch9472] No more than 1 serving per day of milk, cottage cheese or yogurt, unsweetened (Fat content does not matter.) Legumes/beans; peas; sweet potatoes and yams; rice (white and brown); soy Dark chocolates [ch9472] 70-85% cocoa min; no more than 40 grams (approximately 2 inches square) per day Sugar-free foods [ch9472] preferably stevia-containing, rather than aspartame, no wheat products, limited grains of any kind Never: Fried foods Fast foods Hydrogenated “trans” fats Cured meats [ch9472] hot dogs, sausages, bacon, bologna, pepperoni High-fructose corn syrup containing foods; honey; agave syrup; sucrose Processed rice, rice flour or potato products, rice crackers, rice cereals, pretzels, white breads, breakfast cereals, potato chips, etc. Fat-free or low-fat salad dressings ”Gluten-free” foods (they are always loaded with other grains that cause blood sugar spikes) Quick tips: For breakfast choices, consider ground flaxseed as a hot cereal (e.g., with soy milk, milk, or unsweetened almond milk; blueberries, strawberries, etc.). Consider eggs; raw nuts; cheese; try “dinner for breakfast,” meaning transferring salads, cheese, chicken, and other “dinner” foods to breakfast. Add 1 tsp or more of taste-compatible healthy oil to every meal. For example, mix in 1 tbsp flaxseed oil to ground flaxseed hot cereal. Or add 2 tbsp olive oil to eggs after scrambling. Adding oils blunts appetite. If you suspect a wheat “addiction,” use the first week to add healthy oils to every meal and reduce the amount of wheat by half. In the second week, aim for elimination of wheat while maintaining the oils. Reach for raw nuts first as a convenient snack. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/30/11 at 11:58:47 Gyro your crazier than a bed bug.By what you think people should eat,I should have been dead 60 years ago |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 12:04:49 You just live a charmed life, Bill.. Lots of people suffer, some severely,some, just a tiny bit. YOure also older than a lot of people, Your body wasnt assailed by so many of the chemicals that have been put on food till you were well & fully developed. Young people, growing people, their cells are dividing & they are more easily damaged. People who have used a lot of anti biotics have damaged their guts. Back in the day, Probiotics were part of an anti biotic treatment regimen.. But,,, regs were passed, things changed,, & as usual, change wasnt for thye better. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 12:25:23 595257570D0C3B0 wrote:
Another interesting bit of,... uh,... wisdom,... from Bill Tell me something, William, do you ever discuss anything on a factual basis, or are your comments, as demonstrated so far, limited to baseless assertions? I'll bet you were lots of fun as a kid,..... "uh-huh!,.. nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,...uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... ............................ oh,... yeah,... I see it now,........... Sorry,... :-[ I guess you haven't changed all that much, eh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/30/11 at 12:44:37 You want get much wisdom from me here,That OK we have Dr. Gyrobob here,If anyone has any questions. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 10/30/11 at 12:54:04 As a basic issue... with the "paleo" concept... I don't understand why anyone would think cavemen were super healthy... They mostly died by the time they were thirty... that jumped to three score and ten when agriculture entered the picture... I'm sure they had their share of cancer, because even animals in the wild do,... and they have definitely been found with arthritis... Probably not much heart disease because they were already dead at thirty... ... and most died of injury or infection,.. so the immune system wasn't too hot either... The generally healthy and long lived people of Japan,.. eat lots of white rice, and raman noodles... ... but a generally low fat diet,.. and not excessive quantities... And oddly enough they tend to smoke more than we do... Hmmm?... most cavemen were non-smokers... Go figure... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/30/11 at 13:04:00 Strange that also in Japan most people eat out rather than go grocery shopping. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 10/30/11 at 13:08:21 ... and tons of the dreaded MSG... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/30/11 at 13:48:36 6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:
Not really, they lived in a smoke filled environment. When's the last time you stood in front of the camp fire? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/30/11 at 13:57:47 Do dogs live longer now than 50 years ago,My wife worked at Quaker Oaks years ago and they did more testing for the animal food than people food. When I was young the dogs eat the left over food from off the table,Now they eat all the special food. Oldest dog I knew 50 years ago was a small dog that lived to be 27 years old. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/30/11 at 15:20:06 What I meant was it's cheaper to eat out than go grocery shopping in Japan.. Gyrobob that wheat free list of foods looks god awful boring... I'm gonna have to mod it with some flavor.... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 10/30/11 at 16:38:13 I bet Gyro was boring when he was a kid too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 18:49:04 Your opinion is yours, I see the cranky old guy a bit differently. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 20:25:01 2533243921343922560 wrote:
Actually, Serow, when agriculture entered the picture, humans went through a millenia or two of shorter lifespans and encountered for the first time such lovelinesses as arthritis, diabetes, atherosclerosis, osteoperosis, etc. Yes cancer is always present in some degree, but with agriculture it became much more prevalent. Gradually lifespans got back to where they were and proceeded onward with all kinds of other environmental improvements, but before agriculture, humans died generally from either getting killed, or from general aging. Humans just aren't optimized, genetically, for crops,... especially wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 20:26:44 363D38386263540 wrote:
What if no one has any questions? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/11 at 20:33:47 Looks to me like everyone here already has all the answers. That their answers arent the same for the questions? Ehh,, so what? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 21:03:34 35223E3B23653B3624236161570 wrote:
Boring is as boring does. What the hell does THAT mean? dunno. ;D If you look at the list of "eliminate" and "never" foods as a list of loverly stuff you will have to give up for the rest of your life, making you feel miserable and deprived because nothing else is fun to eat,... you're gonna have problems. If you have that mindset, you are looking at this as a fad diet. You haven't actually bought in to the idea yet. If you can't shake this attitude, I would recommend you just blow the whole thing off. Let's say all of a sudden you found out that jelly donuts cause cataracts. You find this out for real. --- Let's say all your life you have been nearly addicted to jelly donuts because they SOOOOOOOO tasty. --- But now, you are completely convinced that if you keep eating jelly donuts, within a month or so your lenses will cloud over and you won't be able to see anything other than light or dark anymore for the rest of your life. The Doc noticed a condition in your lenses that can stand no more food with huge carbs, fat, and wheat, so you have to stop now or go pretty much blind. No more motorcycles. No more TV. No more walking around by yourself. No more building things in a workshop. No more admiring of statuesque women. --- How would you feel about jelly donuts now? Would you not feel like eating them anymore? Would it take the fun out of it? How hard would it be to quit jelly donuts now? Let's say you were a lifetime smoker. You've always had some discomfort in your lungs, but it wasn't bad, and, besides everyone else smoked and you know lots of old guys that are still smoking. You really like it. Well you are in your 50s now, and feeling not all that great. You go to the Doc and he says "Quit smoking now and you might live another 10 or 20 years. Keep smoking and you'll die within the next few years. Your lungs are mostly destroyed, but if you quit now, you'll feel better and live a lot longer." What would you do? Would it ruin the fun of smoking? Or would you think that smoking was one of life's few real pleasures and that you just can't give it up? I have known folks in this situation. Some actually kept smoking. The latest friend was carrying around an oxygen tank to stuff oxygen up his nose and he kept right on smoking! He died way too soon. If you actually understand what wheat does to you, you'll lose most of your desire for wheat stuff and, indeed, most foods with any grain ingredients. If you just view all this as maybe a way to lose some weight for a while, or try out an experiment, or maybe try some of the concepts but blow off what you don't like (blow off the wheat, but keep eating oatmeal, rice, corn, etc.), you'll be disappointed. I'm not preaching here. It won't hurt my feelings if any or all of you remain unconvinced. I'm doing this because I AM convinced. I've researched this pretty hard, and I AM convinced. When I look at a cinnamon roll, I don't start salivating,... I am nearly repulsed. I feel the same about a big plate of durum pasta. The thrill is gone for anything I feel will put grains into me. I'm in the phase now of finding out all the ways to make tasty stuff that has no grain in it. There really are lots of ways to have noodly things, dessert goodies, casseroles, meat dishes, etc., that have no grains at all. I'm still hoping that a few of you can stick with this for a while. Try it out earnestly for a month or so to see if you have results like most folks do. I suppose if you can wade through my preachy emails, that will be quite an accomplishment in itself, eh? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/30/11 at 21:05:11 474C49491312250 wrote:
All my life I have been counseled about being arrogant, conceited, and boring. Ain' no thang. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/30/11 at 21:36:39 I was just sayin I was gonna spice up the menu a bit with flavor, didn't mean to send you off on a few blocks of text.. my girlfriends doing it with me to see if her blood pressure lowers... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/31/11 at 09:31:02 55425E5B43055B5644430101370 wrote:
Yeah, I realize I went off on quite a rant, eh? Sorry. Guess my keyboard speed is getting too fast. That's great about getting the GF involved. I'm hoping for even more improvement with wheat-free, but when I switched to low-carb in 2003, that alone lowered my average from about 150/110 to 120/80 where it has pretty much stayed. An acquaintance at work had to stop taking blood pressure meds because after switching to low-carb, her BP was too low. Since the Wheat Belly thing is essentially low-carb with the added benefit of no wheat, the improvement should certainly be there. Good luck! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/31/11 at 13:06:31 Where can I find the noodles that are wheat free? All they have are "Durum Wheat Noodles" and we don't have any organic grocery stores around here... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 10/31/11 at 13:33:58 37203C392167393426216363550 wrote:
To bad you'll just have to die. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/31/11 at 14:07:06 Bill67 how about I kill and eat a bear with my bare hands |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/11 at 14:22:14 I found my wally world carries 'em |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/11 at 14:24:22 485F43465E18464B595E1C1C2A0 wrote:
I hope you wash them 1st ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/31/11 at 14:54:45 3A293E3F202D2B29227D4C0 wrote:
I hope you wash them 1st ::)[/quote] My hands or the bear? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/31/11 at 18:25:01 4D5A46435B1D434E5C5B19192F0 wrote:
Do a yahoo search for shiratake noodles. There are many sources. I get mine from netrition.com. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/31/11 at 18:26:20 63706766797472707B24150 wrote:
What brand does your Walmart carry? Mine doesn't have anything like that at all. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/11 at 19:43:35 been a couple of weeks, wasn't in the mood to spend $4 for a $1 worth of noodles at the time. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 10/31/11 at 21:40:41 and they had sprouted wheat bread for the 1st time too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 10/31/11 at 22:00:35 This next month is going to suck, because I am ill prepared to drop all wheat, but the good news is I have gained 15 pounds from gorging myself due to seasonal depression so I can't wait to see how this counter acts the weight gain.. at least eating a lot actually works for that... and my protein levels are super high.. hopefully this works out and I'll be feeling fine tuned for the coming winter :D Already starting to switch to wine when I want a drinky (I'm a Pabst Blue Ribbon man) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 10:48:42 293A2D2C333E383A316E5F0 wrote:
Can you at least describe them? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 10:49:46 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
The key term in "sprouted wheat bread" is "wheat." Sprouted wheat bread is marketed as being healthy, but it is still a wheat product. . |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/01/11 at 18:33:16 The wheat germ I eat is Kretschmers,It has 23 nutrients in it,More per ounce than any other grain or vegetable.Its really good for people that don't eat much meat,Lots of protein in it. Most stores carry it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 18:37:30 72797C7C2627100 wrote:
I'll bet it has some wheat in it, too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/01/11 at 18:50:42 5B656E737E737E1C0 wrote:
I'll bet it has some wheat in it, too.[/quote] I sure hope so. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 19:09:42 22292C2C7677400 wrote:
I'll bet it has some wheat in it, too.[/quote] I sure hope so.[/quote] Why? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/01/11 at 19:32:44 Riding my sickle: 10+ Gyrobob and Bill67 arguing: 9+ Can't beat this site :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 19:49:01 5C4B57524A0C525F4D4A08083E0 wrote:
Arguing is valid. I wouldn't label what bill does as argument, though. He's just hijacking the thread. Arguing (or debating) means at least two folks are participating in a discussion on a subject. In a thread based on the advantages of going wheat-free, it doesn't add much if one of the "participants" keeps yammering about how stupid wheat-free is, and what kinds of wheat he likes, when he knows the basic subject is how bad wheat is. It would be like trying to discuss some relevant issue on a RYCA build thread and having to wade through every fourth post inserted by some clown saying, "cafe racers suck" over and over again in different ways. It's not gentlemanly or helpful. Maybe bill would be happier and more helpful if he would start his own thread about high-carb lotsa-grain diets, and leave the discussion here to folks who would rather participate more meaningfully. :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/01/11 at 20:07:46 I love both you guys, you even each other out.. seriously... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/01/11 at 20:09:35 Add Verslagen1 to this mix.. no don't do it.. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/01/11 at 20:10:59 35223E3B23653B3624236161570 wrote:
I would gladly risk not being evened out, and have the discussion be more relevant. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/01/11 at 20:20:16 I want a celeb death match: Gyrobob vs Bill67.. logic vs balls... :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 11/02/11 at 07:10:38 I think it will be a fun experiment. So far, no change, though I don't expect much this soon. Same beer belly (I still drink beer, good beer made from barley, not fortified with wheat or corn syrup). Same tinnitus. The book has good reviews on amazon and I think will be worth reading. I am most curious about the author's self-experiment where he changes from modern wheat to heirloom wheat. That seems like a good way to isolate the GM wheat variable. (having not read the book :D) I don't see what distinguishes wheat from say, corn. Corn is another genetically modified, mass produced mono-crop that should have all the drawbacks of wheat. I read The Omnivore's Dilemma, a great book by Michael Pollan. It explains how corn is overproduced, then split pretty much to its individual molecules and re-integrated into just about every food we eat. Fountain drinks? Corn. Chicken McNugget glue? Corn. There is a chemical marker that can be found in a blood test to show roughly how much corn a person has consumed, and for us, that index is much higher than for people in countries without as much mono-agriculture. I thought it was funny when Pollan said something like: "You think Mexicans eat a lot of corn? Compared to them, we are a bunch of walking tortilla chips." So how come wheat is being picked on instead of corn? I don't know, but will at least read the book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 07:42:45 69647E676E7F6A796F0B0 wrote:
Yes, it is all explained in the book. All grains are crops that we were were never designed to eat. Maybe, 100,000 years from now the genetic programming might change enough, but for you and me, grains do bad things. These bad things are mostly associated with blood sugar spikes and the related insulin spikes that are so unhealthy. Wheat is the "spikey-est" of them all, but it has even more hurtfullness in it related to ph unbalance, heart disease, aging, skin problems, internal organ abuse, etc. The other grains, while high-carb and harmful, are just amateurs compared to wheat. Glad to have you interested in this. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/02/11 at 07:43:08 I am still wheat free, except once when I had to buy a sandwich at school. I tried rice pasta in my paglia e fieno recipe and it turned to a pasty mass while cooking, so I will look for an alternative. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/11 at 07:50:40 Ive tried rice [pasta,, yuck,, If I was ever hanging wall paper, Id consider buyin more. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/02/11 at 07:59:38 This is pretty hard I have to say, I'm on chicken (not breaded), peanuts, green beans, and jalapeno stuffed olives... so far... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 11/02/11 at 08:06:21 4E45454C404F4E5455210 wrote:
Rice noodles cook differently then wheat noodles. But you can achieve the same texture as wheat. Don't ask me how. And a good alternative is spaghetti squash. easy to cook too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 08:39:11 6962626B6768697372060 wrote:
Wow. Congrats on the wheat-free-ness. Pasta is an issue for we wheat-free folks. There are few alternatives. Most non-wheat alternatives are grain-based so they still have the associated blood-sugar spikes. So, they aren't quite as bad as wheat, but they are high-carb. Shirataki noodles, spaghetti squash, and thinly sliced zucchini are good for pasta-ish dishes. The shirataki noodles are actually noodles. They have very little flavor, but they aggressively soak up whatever the flavor is of the stuff they are sitting in. Last night, my current wife made an intensely flavorful marinara sauce with garlic meatballs, and dumped it over the shirataki noodles. My, oh, my, was it delectable. I like spaghetti squash a lot, but I prefer it as a side dish with butter and salt. I think I'll try it with the meatball sauce mentioned above. Spaghetti squash cooks up quickly and easily in a microwave,.. just remember to poke a few holes in it or you'll have a squash-o-nuke explosion. When I have to get a sandwich or a burger, etc., I just eat the innards and toss the bread. This works pretty well at McD's or Wendy's or Burger King. I just get a double burger with extra veggies and ask for a knife and fork. Some places like Red Robin will serve any of their burgers bunless,.. wrapped in large sheets of lettuce so you can hold it like a burger. Hardee's was doing this for a while too, but I don't know if they do anymore. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 09:10:56 60776B6E76306E6371763434020 wrote:
Maybe you are being too strict on yourself. In post #140 there was a condensed version of this system. Here's part of that post: Unlimited Vegetables [ch9472] except potatoes; fresh or frozen, never canned Raw nuts and seeds [ch9472] raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts, pistachios, Brazil nuts, cashews; dry-roasted peanuts (not roasted in oil); pumpkin and sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts Healthy oils (unheated) [ch9472] olive, flaxseed, coconut, avocado, walnut Meats [ch9472] red meats, pork, fish, chicken, turkey, eggs Non-wheat grains [ch9472] ground flaxseed, chia seeds Teas, coffee, water, unsweetened almond milk, coconut milk or coconut water Cheeses -- real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice processed cheese) Avocado or guacamole; hummus; unsweetened condiments, e.g., mayonnaise, mustard, oil-based salad dressings; ketchup without high-fructose corn syrup; pesto, tapenades; olives Limited: Fruit [ch9472] No more than 2 servings a day (one serving is a level handful), preferably in this order (best first): berries of all varieties, citrus, apples, nectarines, peaches, melons. Minimize bananas, pineapples, mangoes, and grapes Fruit juices [ch9472] only real juices and in minimal quantities (no more than 2-4 oz) Dairy products [ch9472] No more than 1 serving per day of milk, cottage cheese or yogurt, unsweetened (Fat content does not matter.) Legumes/beans; peas; sweet potatoes and yams; rice (white and brown); soy Dark chocolates [ch9472] 70-85% cocoa min; no more than 40 grams (approximately 2 inches square) per day Sugar-free foods [ch9472] preferably stevia-containing, rather than aspartame, no wheat products, limited grains of any kind There must be 10,000 combinations of stuff to enjoy in there. I'm quite entertained with just the nearly limitless combinations of meat (beef, pork, fowl, fish, etc.) and veggies (zillions of fresh veggies at Wally world alone!). |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 09:14:42 Along with that previous post, there are lots of sources of wheat-free recipes on the internet, so you can have goodies, breads, pancakes, etc. This morning I made pumpkin pie and a loaf of bread, for example. Another example,.. here's a recipe for lemon cheesecakey things. These are plenty good for any kind of diet or non-diet. 1 cup ground walnuts 1½ teaspoons ground cinnamon 3 tablespoons butter, softened, or coconut oil Sweetener equivalent to 3 tablespoons sugar 12 oz cream cheese or Neuchâtel cheese, softened 1½ tablespoons coconut flour 2 large eggs Grated rind and juice of 1 medium lemon ½ cup coconut milk 1 teaspoon vanilla extract Preheat oven to 350º F. In small bowl, mix together ground walnuts, butter or coconut oil, cinnamon, and one-third of sweetener. Spoon into paper cupcake liners and press down with spoon until flat. In large bowl, place cream cheese, eggs, and coconut flour and blend at low speed until well-mixed. Add in lemon rind and juice, coconut milk, remainder of sweetener and vanilla and beat until thoroughly mixed. Spoon mixture over top of walnut crust in cupcake liners. Bake for 30 minutes. Remove and cool. Optionally, decorate with slice of strawberry, shaved dark chocolate, or mint leaf. Store in refrigerator. The guy that came up with the recipe said he made the batch, had a couple, and put the rest in the fridge for later. He went out to do yardwork for a few hours, came back in to have a few, and, you guessed it, they were gone. (teenagers) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/02/11 at 09:44:00 My favorite meat on your meat list was the eggs,I do like coconut water. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 11:32:27 363D38386263540 wrote:
I like eggs too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 11/02/11 at 11:47:31 Minimize bananas?! If there's one thing our genes should have caught up with, it's bananas! Anyway.. over lunch I noticed a smiley-Amazon package on my porch, probably some good weekend reading. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/02/11 at 12:10:20 49445E474E5F4A594F2B0 wrote:
God invented us out of dirt only 5,000 years ago... Cavemen aren't real... Evolution is a myth... Jesus ate bread... it's gotta' be good for us... Paleo diets are anti-christian... to eat like a caveman, is to deny god... :-?... PS... I like bananas... ... but, whole eggs are natures perfect heart attack... Gods way of population control.... Okay,... I'm done... that was fun... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/02/11 at 12:26:48 I looked it up,In the middle ages the Catholic Church proclaimed eggs meat,So let me tell you those Catholic Priest know what meat is. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/02/11 at 12:49:40 It's not the same wheat, it's heavily cross pollinated and mutated... it's like saying a modern day motosickle is the same thing as those old original bicycles with motors on the back.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 13:55:57 Another ploy you can use in general is to take a standard recipe loaded with grain stuff and sugar, and just replace the grain stuff (flour of some sort) with a mix of almond flour and coconut flour. Also, it is good to toss in another egg or two to help bind it all together** Of course, don't use any sugar. Use some sort of non-sugar sweetener,.. you may have to experiement to see which ones you like. Stevia, truvia, splenda, xylitol, etc. There are lots of options out there these days. **One of the reasons wheat is so bad these days is because of all the changes it went through to increase yield, have better drought and heat resistance, and enhance properties like good structure for bread, smell, raising, binding, etc. These changes are what added so many of the damaging aspects of modern wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 14:09:23 697E62677F39676A787F3D3D0B0 wrote:
Exactly!! 8 or 9 thousand years ago, wheat grew naturally in huge amounts on various plains around the planet, and the folks that lived near it gradually discovered it could be harvested to make stuff they could eat later during the winter. Einkorn wheat. Emmer wheat. They got used to it, and it reduced their need for hunting and gathering, which, I guess was a real bother. Up until midway through the 20th century wheat didn't change much. In the 1800's they learned how to grind it up better to make nicer flour, but it was genetically pretty much the same as what folks were eating several millenia before. Then in the 1940's or so, things changed rapidly to increase yield, improve drought resistance, heat resistance, etc., but no one was checking to see what the changes would do to the poor dum bastards that had to eat it. As you might guess, they could never get away with that now. The gummint would never allow it,.. or at least they would create an approval process that would cost zillions to comply with. Anyway, today's wheat is optimized for the farmer's economic survival, not for our health. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 14:11:17 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
God invented us out of dirt only 5,000 years ago... Cavemen aren't real... Evolution is a myth... Jesus ate bread... it's gotta' be good for us... Paleo diets are anti-christian... to eat like a caveman, is to deny god... :-?... PS... I like bananas... ... but, whole eggs are natures perfect heart attack... Gods way of population control.... Okay,... I'm done... that was fun... :-?... [/quote] That WAS a fun rant,.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/02/11 at 15:20:58 Thanks Gyro,... glad all that wheatlessness hasn't affected your humor... ;)... It would definitely affect mine... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/02/11 at 19:46:20 4F594E534B5E53483C0 wrote:
How so? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/02/11 at 20:41:09 http://www.yummly.com/recipe/Grilled-Eggplant-and-Tomato-Stacks-Food_com-173744 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/02/11 at 21:07:04 "Yes, it is all explained in the book. All grains are crops that we were never designed to eat." ...says Gyro. This just nuts. If it wasn't for wheat and other grains two thirds of the world would starve. If you want to know what we were NOT designed to eat it's MEAT. The human species evolved from tree dwelling apes that subsisted mostly on fruits and nuts. A true carnivore like say a cat, is designed to eat meat. It has the teeth, claws, and a digestive tract designed to processes meat. Animals like cats have a short bowel system. The meat they ingest is quickly processed for it's nutritional content, and the residual matter is quickly passed. Humans on the other hand are natural vegetarians. When we eat meat it moves sluggishly through the bowl. It is retained so long in the bowel it putrefies, in effect it rots inside of us and releases toxins that poisons our system. Our immune system works overtime to hold down toxic infections while the sluggish mass of rot impacts the bowls. Heavy meat eaters are constantly constipated and don't even know it. They think a bowl movement every four or five days is normal. Colon cancer is the result of eating meat period. If you are concerned about genetically modified grains (and you should be as Monsanto continues to poison us) then you better be concerned about the antibiotics, growth hormones, and processing bacteria that goes into meat. Remember, the minute an animal is killed it begins to decompose (rot). God only knows what kind of chemical brew the meat processors add to this rotting carrion in the form of preservatives to make it colorful and not stink. If you want to be healthy, don't make your body a grave, and don't fall for 'fad' diets that do nothing but make a fast buck for the authors of such junk science. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/02/11 at 21:49:04 Confessions of a former Big Food executive by Andy Bellatti 2 Nov 2011 7:25 AM A few weeks ago, I learned of a relatively new blog about food industry deception, but with an interesting twist. The blog's author is Bruce Bradley, who spent over 15 years as a food marketer at companies like General Mills, Pillsbury, and Nabisco. He has since, in his words, "become more educated about the risks and environmental impact of eating processed foods," and is now a CSA enthusiast. ....(snip).... Q. On your website you write that you've "seen some disturbing trends in the food industry over the past 20 years." What have you found most insidious? A. The landscape has changed dramatically since I started my career at Nabisco in 1992. In response to Wall Street profit pressures and the growing power of retailers like Walmart, the food industry has undergone a tremendous wave of consolidation and cost cutting. This has hurt our food supply in many ways. First, huge, multinational food companies now dominate the landscape. Wielding far greater lobbying power and much deeper pockets, these companies have been very successful in stagnating food regulation. Second, cost savings have been a key profit driver for the industry, but they've had a devastating impact on both food quality and food safety. Think factory farming and GMOs, just to name a couple of examples. Third, as consumers' health concerns have increased, processed food manufacturers have become even more aggressive in making dubious health claims or co-opting fad diets to market their brands and develop new products. The net impact of this transformed landscape has been disastrous from a public health perspective -- with obesity rates skyrocketing and a never-ending flood of food recalls. ..............(more) The complete piece is at: http://www.grist.org/food/2011-11-02-confessions-of-a-b... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/03/11 at 06:16:34 5B7C697A64616E7C6D7A080 wrote:
I see you are still buying into the government/mega-business brainwashing about "healthy whole grains." Do a little research and you'll find out pretty quickly that we ARE genetically optimized for meat and green leafy stuff, not crops (meaning grains). Colon cancer didn't show up until maybe 9,000 years ago when we started learning about agriculture. IOW, when we were hunter-gatherers eating mostly meat and green leafy stuff, colon cancer was non-existent, as was diabetes, atherosclerosis, arthritis, etc. When we started eating wheat, these problems appeared, and for a few millenia, the average life span shortened. You are totally wrong about how the body handles meat. When the digestive systems are not "wounded" by having to handle wheat, meat is very much what we need, and is easily, and nearly totally digested. Very little "residue" and the veggies provide the fiber to keep things tidied up. When I would prepare to fly an F-4 from Georgia to Denmark (requiring 12-14 hours away from a toilet) I'd eat only chicken, fish, eggs, and cheese for a couple of days before hand. It would ALL be digested (no residue), and I would have no worries for what we would refer to as a "physiological incident" at 35,000 feet. When we got to Denmark, I'd go back to normal eating, and the next day, normal pooping. It wasn't constipation, it was no residue -- it was ALL being digested. The point you make about the world starving were it not for wheat is exactly right, and it is one of the reasons wheat is so harmful. Yes, it provides lots of "food" but the harm it does is a tragedy for two reasons: 1. To get wheat to be so ubiquitous, the scientists had to morph it into something that is way more damaging than its natural state of 10,000 years ago. It has changed so much it can't grow on its own -- it needs specific care (chemicals, water on schedule, etc.) for it to grow at all. 2. The billions of people eating this toxic matter don't mind at all because it sure feels better than going hungry. Want to win a Nobel prize?,... find some way to make a few types of nutritious vegetables as easy to produce as wheat. Think about how much healthier the world would be if the billions eating toxic wheat would switch to veggies!! Although I agree with you, this statement proves you have not researched the issue, "If you want to be healthy, don't make your body a grave, and don't fall for 'fad' diets that do nothing but make a fast buck for the authors of such junk science." You are a hype buyer. 1. The first 12 words I agree with. Stop eating wheat and you will keep your body out of the grave for many years longer. 2. The rest of the statement I agree with too, but not because of what you believe. You are wrong about wheat. Yes, there are some crazy fad diets out there (cabbage soup, full moon, eskimo, suzanne somers, etc.) and yes, they probably do make a fast buck. However, had you actually studied this issue a bit, you'd not apply this accusation to the wheat tragedy inflicted on all of us for so many decades. You are not stupid. Why do you not question the hype? Why don't you research this stuff a bit? When you begin to sort out which studies/research are valid vs studies done by folks with an agenda, you'll see an ugly picture developing. Maybe you'll even try the wheat-free thing for, say, a month, just to do your own research and prove us wrong!!! It's been about a month for me, now. My skepticism has nearly evaporated. I know I am a pretty small-sized data sample (1), but this study (me) shows several of the benefits associated with freedom from wheat are real. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/03/11 at 06:40:04 Our teeth are designed to cut/chew meat as well as vegetables. Humans have been "HUNTERS" and "GATHERERS" since the dawn of man. Regardless if I decide to start eating "modern day mutation wheat" again, I'm still aware that it's not the same wheat the pyramids were built on, and I think everyone should take a step back and question why we're being told to eat this stuff at every meal.. I might go back to having it once a day since I have no health problems at the moment (and hopefully till I die). |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/03/11 at 06:50:04 Also, look at modern day meat supplies... the chickens and cows are being breed to be meatier and injected with hormones and god knows what.. it's not the same meat from the 50's and 1 hamburger can contain pieces of cows from all over the states... and taco meat is like 50% or more "filler"... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 11/03/11 at 06:54:04 143326352B2E21332235470 wrote:
Says who, PETA? KFC is the chicken holocaust! Apes are the missing link in human evolution?? Haha.. do you think that apes are just "vintage" humans? Have a banana and give me a spear, I'm having steak tonight... :D You do know that humans can eat and digest raw meat, right? Just like the natural carnivore dual sport herbivores we are ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/03/11 at 07:00:14 7B6C70756D2B75786A6D2F2F190 wrote:
Says who, PETA? KFC is the chicken holocaust! Apes are the missing link in human evolution?? Haha.. do you think that apes are just "vintage" humans? Have a banana and give me a spear, I'm having steak tonight... :D You do know that humans can eat and digest raw meat, right? Just like the natural carnivore dual sport herbivores we are ;)[/quote] "Have a banana and give me a spear, I'm having steak tonight... " I seldom laugh out loud when I am by myself in a quiet room. However, this remark put a little turbulence in my solitude. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/03/11 at 09:26:56 Firstly,...Arthritis has been found in 30,000 year old caveman bones, and even in the bones of dinosaurs... ... and secondly,... what kind of science are they using to find colon cancer and diabetes in fossilized bones?... Searching the internet right now, brings up nothing but "Paleo" hype... It's a pandemic of scientific bs...but, nearly every search for caveman, paleo, wheat, carbs, diet,... brings silly diet links, and quack science... Who's buying the hype?... Who's buying the books?... http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY26TdPhlzMQvstqbcdFge7bC22CSm_qENv0M_k-lC3Fvr98WOK7NhskI1 Oddly enough,.. I look strikingly similar to the guy in middle, after a ride... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/03/11 at 10:09:59 I'm definitely skeptical about cutting out ALL wheat forever... I sure do love cheeseburgers... but I don't eat them for every meal.. I believe the key lies below: mod·er·a·tion noun 1. the quality of being moderate; restraint; avoidance of extremes or excesses; temperance. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/03/11 at 10:15:03 Who's buying the books,People that can't think for them selfs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by LostArtist on 11/03/11 at 10:57:14 2A3D21243C7A24293B3C7E7E480 wrote:
that's a bad word, how dare you be so . . . reasonable!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by verslagen1 on 11/03/11 at 11:12:57 000B0E0E5455620 wrote:
Interesting, you think people can make a decision without knowing what the author's opinion is... is that thinking for themselves, or closed mindedness? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by MrBrownTX on 11/03/11 at 11:30:18 I always put a little Seafoam in my beer and that keeps my gut running clean. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/03/11 at 11:52:50 293E22273F79272A383F7D7D4B0 wrote:
We already touched on moderation in an earlier post. It is a factor, maybe, but if you are eating 4 bagels a day now, and you cut down to 1 bagel a day, you'll notice almost no difference the problems you are experiencing with wheat. Moderation doesn't work when something you are doing or experiencing has no redeeming qualities, and has only damage as its primary effect. If you were a 3 pack a day smoker, cutting back to 1 pack a day will not help much. Cutting back to no packs a day is required,.. moderation is not applicable here. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/03/11 at 12:49:32 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
Interesting, you think people can make a decision without knowing what the author's opinion is... is that thinking for themselves, or closed mindedness?[/quote] Who cares what the author thinks,He's writing a book to make money,Because he writes a book doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. But theres always people that fall for that stuff. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/03/11 at 12:56:54 3E3530306A6B5C0 wrote:
Interesting, you think people can make a decision without knowing what the author's opinion is... is that thinking for themselves, or closed mindedness?[/quote] Who cares what the author thinks,He's writing a book to make money,Because he writes a book doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. But theres always people that fall for that stuff.[/quote] I'd like to do you the courtesy of responding meaningfully to your posts, but when you make statements like that, William, it is pretty hard to consider anything you say as valid. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/03/11 at 14:09:42 272C29297372450 wrote:
YOu used books in school, People spend their time, do research & then share what they learned. Since you think for yourself so much, does that mean you dont read or watch the news? Why would you let anyone provide you with information? Think for yourself,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/03/11 at 14:48:13 I listen to the news both Fox and the CNN stations,Then I make my on decisions whats right and wrong.When you read a motorcycle or car report you get what the writer thinks about them.When I was young I read those reports but after driving some of them I didn't agreed with the writer at all. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by verslagen1 on 11/03/11 at 15:05:27 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
YOu used books in school[/quote] His facts are written in stone. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/03/11 at 18:14:16 6F6461613B3A0D0 wrote:
NIce try & an honorable & appreciable attempt at getting to the truth. Have you read anything that would open an eye re: The Federal REserve? G.E. Griffins Creature from Jekyll Island will make you see the world thru a new lens & the news will be so much more transparent as the lie it usually is.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/03/11 at 18:17:30 Gyro, if you believe everything you read, read this: Why wheat is good for you Nutrition Facts and Information about Wheat: It contains Manganese, Phosphorus, Magnesium and Selenium in very large quantities. Rich in Zinc, Copper, Iron and Potassium. However, Calcium is also present in small amounts. Vitamin Content of Wheat: It is rich in Vitamin B6, Niacin, Thiamin, Folate, Riboflavin and Pantothenic Acid. Vitamin E and Vitamin K are also present in small but considerable amounts. Calorie Content of Wheat: Wheat has a calorific value of 339.0 per 100 gm. Being a grain, it is very appropriate in calories and hence, filling as a food. Health Benefits of Wheat: Consumption of whole wheat is necessary for a healthy metabolism, as it prevents Breast Cancer, Gallstones, childhood Asthma and heart risks. Definitely an essential food to intake for women for gastro-intestinal health, also reduces risk of high blood pressure, Diabetes and high cholestrol. To add up to it all, it has phytonutrients which promotes better health through maintaining high blood levels. Nutritious Wheat For those of you who like to know all the details, here's the facts on wheat and why it's so good for you. Wheat is a grain, which is to say it's basically a seed. And like all seeds, wheat has everything it needs to sprout and grow inside a protective hull, called a husk. Just inside the husk is a layer of bran, which is where you'll find a great deal of the nutrition as well as fiber. As you go further into the wheat kernal, the next layer is the endosperm. If you were to sprout the wheat, this is the part of the seed that would feed the new plant until it developed roots. It makes up about 80% of the kernal and is almost entirely starch. The inner core of the kernal is the endosperm. This is roughly equivalent to the yolk of an egg. This is where the sprouting process starts. It contains a high degree of fat (comparatively speaking. We're talking wheat here, not pork chops), a lot of vitamins, and a lot of minerals. Now, if you browse the baking goods aisle of your local grocery store you'll notice several different kinds of flour. The overwhelming majority of what's available will be All-Purpose flour, the white powdery stuff that most of you will have been using all your life. This is made from wheat that has had the germ and the bran removed. (You'll rarely see the husk on whole wheat berries. Besides being inedible, the hulls tends to drop off as the wheat is being harvested.) With the germ and the bran gone, what's left is the endosperm, which makes a very nice, light-colored flour, free of fiber and with very little nutrition. Vitamins and minerals do get put back in (this is why it's called "fortified") but not as many as are taken out. While there has been considerable debate over the healthiness of eating white flour, it can't be denied that nutritionists know what they're talking about when they tell us to eat more whole grains. Whole wheat flour is made from the entire grain. Having the bran and the germ in there make it much healthier with a greater fiber content and lots more minerals and vitamins. It does make it darker, though, and gives it a different texture. (Which might take your family a while to get used to.) Also, because of the high fat content of the germ, whole wheat flour doesn't store well. It tends to go rancid. If you grind your own (and we'll talk later about wheat grinders) you'll want to either use it right away or store it in the freezer. As a side note, it's worth mentioning that researchers have found a correlation between eating whole grains and lower weight. They don't know just why, yet, but there's no denying there seems to be a link. 1 cup of cracked wheat contains: Water (g): 17.68 Energy (kcal): 441 Protein (g): 17.02 Fat, total (g): 2.08 Carbohydrate (g): 96.09 Sugars, total (g): 0.55 Fiber, total dietary (g): 16.5 Saturated fatty acids, total (g): 0.364 Monounsaturated fatty acids, total (g): 0.27 Polyunsaturated fatty acids, total (g): 0.85 Calcium (mg): 39 Copper (mg): 0.552 Iron (mg): 4.09 Magnesium (mg): 170 Phosphorus (mg): 370 Potassium (mg): 466 Selenium (mcg): 95.4 Sodium (mg): 3 Zinc (mg): 3.58 Vitamin B-6 (mg): 0.364 Vitamin E, alpha-tocopherol (mg): 1.36 Folate, total (mcg): 36 Vitamin K (mcg): 2.6 Niacin (mg): 6.634 Riboflavin (mg): 0.146 Thiamin (mg): 0.41 Carotene, beta (mcg): 7 Lutein + zeaxanthin (mcg): 267 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/03/11 at 18:23:58 "Apes are the missing link in human evolution?? Haha.. do you think that apes are just "vintage" humans?" Built, are you saying that you are a science denying 'Creationist'? Do you believe the earth is only 6000 years old?...just wondering. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/03/11 at 19:06:18 547366756B6E61736275070 wrote:
I've read all kinds of crap like that. You are still drinking the kool-aid. I don't deny the actual numbers, but the conclusions are faulty. For example each one of the alleged health benefits are completely untrue. Whole grain wheat, for example, does not help with diabetes, it CAUSES it! Note that the propaganda did not include all the damaging aspects of wheat. It is not findings of any kind of research, it is just advertising. You need to do some actual research on recent findings, not present wheat-lobby marketing ads as fact. As is typical of libs, logic has no effect on you. Research recently done by valid organizations (as opposed to your wheat-lobby hype) has no effect. Why don't you call my bluff? Try going truly wheat free for a month and tell us what happened. No cheating. No reduced wheat diet. I'm talkin' wheat-free, grain-free, low-carb eatin',... like a few of us here. If you see no difference or get sick and die, you'll have something to brag about. If you have enough integrity to note the improvements and let the rest of us hear about it, that'll be quite cool. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/03/11 at 23:58:07 4A747F626F626F0D0 wrote:
Gyro,... those proverbial "Kool-aid drinkers",... were, in reality, faithful followers of a charismatic charlatan, that convinced them government was out to get them, and his truth was the only truth... Do you listen to yourself at all?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/11 at 06:33:24 No one convinced me, I figured it out all by myself., |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/04/11 at 06:37:03 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
Gyro,... those proverbial "Kool-aid drinkers",... were, in reality, faithful followers of a charismatic charlatan, that convinced them government was out to get them, and his truth was the only truth... Do you listen to yourself at all?... :-?... [/quote] charlatan? listen to yourself? huh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/04/11 at 06:42:23 I'm wondering what you folks estimate my motives are for bringing up the subject of wheat. Why would I be trying to bring these concepts to this forum? I don't want to do a poll because I don't want to channel any thoughts into defined answers. I'm just curious as to your thoughts on why I would spend so much time and mental energy here trying to convince folks about how bad wheat is. Any comments? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/04/11 at 08:00:17 4C6B7E6D7376796B7A6D1F0 wrote:
I'm not siding with evolution or creation, neither has been proven... look at horse shoe crabs, older than man and haven't evolved one bit. And to instantly deny any type creationist theory is pretty closed minded... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/04/11 at 18:57:16 The basic body plan of the horseshow crab is retained because it is well adapted to the environment. The ocean's size and consistent habitats have acted to stabilize several species, the horseshow crab being one. When an organism is well-adapted to its environment, as the horseshoe crab is, it is the mutations that are weeded out by natural selection (stabilizing selection). You get directional selection only when the mutation is beneficial in a changing environment or when the organism is colonizing a different habitat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/04/11 at 19:10:53 I wonder why Eskimos aint all hairy.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/04/11 at 19:49:39 I wonder why the original organisms, the ones that man evolved from, didn't stay in the water, the same water which a simple horse shoe crab can perfectly adapt too.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/04/11 at 20:23:35 I wonder why we are not talking about why wheat is bad,.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/04/11 at 22:53:35 I wonder why dollar bills are rectangular... is it to fit in our wallets?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/05/11 at 06:30:46 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
Good wondering on your behalf, but do you ever wonder why crackers are rectangular? I often do... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/05/11 at 08:20:04 Why is toilet paper cut into squares that are way too small? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/05/11 at 08:28:35 Gyro there not to small for me,Are you trying to tell us something. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/05/11 at 11:34:59 767D78782223140 wrote:
Wow, you must really be constipated. Maybe that is why the only thing that comes out of your mouth is,... well,... oh forget it. Stop eating so much wheat, and maybe you'll be a regular guy once again. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/11 at 12:15:06 Somehow, Im not able to envision Ol Bill as ever bein a Regular Guy,, no matter how often he poops. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/05/11 at 18:57:13 "Gyro there not to small for me,Are you trying to tell us something." Best one yet Bill, keep on truck'in my man. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/05/11 at 20:16:50 032431223C3936243522500 wrote:
What do YOU use a single square of TP for? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/05/11 at 20:30:18 I was just in Books-a-Million this evening, and noticed they still had two copies of Wheat Belly. They are hard to come by, it seems. I had just picked it up when a forty-ish lady next to me started to advise me of the advantages of being wheat-free. I played along for a bit, and asked her why I should do such a thing. She said, "It's not just a diet, wheat is very bad for you. You need to stop eating any wheat at all, especially someone YOUR age." That last comment was really endearing. >:( Undismayed, I asked her what benefits she had seen so far. She said she had only been on it for about two months, but so far she has lost 8 pounds, her headaches disappeared, and she sleeps better, but the biggy for her was that she is diabetic and her numbers have improved to that of a pre-diabetic. (I resisted the temptation to make a remark about how she needs to keep working on the pound-per-week thing) I am not diabetic, but I have found the same benefits she did so far. Losing some weight, no more headaches, and I fall asleep easier. I never did come clean and let her know I was familiar with the wheat-free thing. I just let it go,... maybe she thinks she found a convert. Aside from that crack about "someone my age" it was a pleasant thing chatting with someone else convinced of the wheat-free thing. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 11/05/11 at 23:05:51 Wheat is Bad for you? Really? Tell that to the 7 billion people that inhabit this planet! If you suffer from Celiac disease, then yes. But everything in moderation, consume plenty of fresh fruits and veggies and you will be OK. We overindulge in wheat, it's in everything we eat. Grains are a relatively new ingredient in the human diet, but it isn't bad for you... regardless what some pseudo-guru has to say. Eat a varied diet and live your life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/11 at 04:16:28 Whet, in & of itself, isnt the bad guy. The problem is what weve done to ourselves & thers the point raised, Eat a varied diet. If you want to develop food alergies, take antibiotics, then eat the same foods over & over. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/06/11 at 05:43:30 5471767070677D7F6A2C2E2F2F1E0 wrote:
Yes, really. We've already dispensed with the idea that everything in moderation is always okay. Somethings are NOT good in moderation, and wheat is one of them. The fact that it, and its harmful effects are so ubiquitous, does not make it any less harmful. Yes, grains are relatively new,.. and they are bad for you. Do a little research and you'll discover that when we started eating a lot of grain (approx 10,000 years ago) our lifespans actually decreased for a millenia or so, and we started to experience arthritis, heart disease, diabetes, etc., etc., etc. I can tell by your remarks you have not researched the issue, let alone read the book. Before you go spouting off about pseudo-gurus, you might at least investigate a little. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/06/11 at 05:51:53 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
I disagree. Wheat, in and of itself IS the bad guy. If you cut out wheat altogether, you lose nothing. You gain many health benefits. We were not designed to eat wheat or other grains, whole or otherwise. Yes, eat a varied diet. Just make sure you don't include chaws of tobacco, cyanide, wheat, etc. There are so many ways to have really great chow and avoid wheat altogether. You don't have to eat wheat or any grains at all; it is quite easy to eat what we were desinged to eat. I like your last point. What many Docs do is to prescribe a diet that causes _____pick your problem_____ and then prescribe medications to alleviate the symptoms. (and I think some don't even see the irony) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 11/06/11 at 11:41:45 0E303B262B262B490 wrote:
Yes, really. We've already dispensed with the idea that everything in moderation is always okay. Somethings are NOT good in moderation, and wheat is one of them. The fact that it, and its harmful effects are so ubiquitous, does not make it any less harmful. Yes, grains are relatively new,.. and they are bad for you. Do a little research and you'll discover that when we started eating a lot of grain (approx 10,000 years ago) our lifespans actually decreased for a millenia or so, and we started to experience arthritis, heart disease, diabetes, etc., etc., etc. I can tell by your remarks you have not researched the issue, let alone read the book. Before you go spouting off about pseudo-gurus, you might at least investigate a little.[/quote Monoagriculture brought large groups of people together, thus increasing the spread of disease through viruses, questionable water, unsanitary conditions ect etc. When you rely on a few crops or foods for sustenance you become susceptible to health problems. I didn't mean you as the pseudo-guru, it's all these diet book gurus spouting silliness. Hunting and gatherinhg isn't all that it's cracked to be. try and secure enough calories by that method. And yes, I do know a little about nutrition. A variety of foods in all colors will do ya well. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/06/11 at 18:17:11 4D686F69697E64667335373636070 wrote:
Yes, really. We've already dispensed with the idea that everything in moderation is always okay. Somethings are NOT good in moderation, and wheat is one of them. The fact that it, and its harmful effects are so ubiquitous, does not make it any less harmful. Yes, grains are relatively new,.. and they are bad for you. Do a little research and you'll discover that when we started eating a lot of grain (approx 10,000 years ago) our lifespans actually decreased for a millenia or so, and we started to experience arthritis, heart disease, diabetes, etc., etc., etc. I can tell by your remarks you have not researched the issue, let alone read the book. Before you go spouting off about pseudo-gurus, you might at least investigate a little.[/quote Monoagriculture brought large groups of people together, thus increasing the spread of disease through viruses, questionable water, unsanitary conditions ect etc. When you rely on a few crops or foods for sustenance you become susceptible to health problems. I didn't mean you as the pseudo-guru, it's all these diet book gurus spouting silliness. Hunting and gatherinhg isn't all that it's cracked to be. try and secure enough calories by that method. And yes, I do know a little about nutrition. A variety of foods in all colors will do ya well.[/quote] A variety of foods in all colors will do you well as long as you exclude grains (mainly wheat). I agree about the diet-book gurus. Most of them are nutritionists of some sort or another that think they found a way to make a quick buck. (cabbage soup, eskimo, amputation, etc.) Once you actually study this guy's story, and find out how he came up with these conclusions, you might change his category from pseudo-guru to rebel cardiologist. -- He discovered all this after seeing how futile it was to deal with his patients' heart disease by employing "common sense" like whole-grain foods. -- He did the research himself, surprised himself, and going against the establishment (risking a lot of funding) he took his near dead patients off of wheat. -- Marvelous things happened. He wrote it all up, and hence the book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/06/11 at 20:01:48 Give it a rest Gyro, this thread has run it's course...mmmm, at dinner I had the most delicious chewy fresh baked bread hot from the oven and smelling like heaven...slathered on some 100% pure butter, and with a huge pot of homemade soup I ate like the kings. ...now go away and eat whatever it is that you eat and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy the staff of life. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 11/06/11 at 22:24:15 There is truth in what everyone here has opined. IMHO, the biggest culprit is "Processed foods" including ; bleached white, wheat flour. Has anyone tried, quinoa? amaranth? buck wheat?(not related to wheat) wild rice? I'm not huge into grains myself, but to enhance a meal I'll dabble. To each their own. Eat sensibly and have a glass of vino, you only go around once... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 11/07/11 at 07:30:37 5E606B767B767B190 wrote:
You figure it is a controversial subject that challenges people's long-held conventions, and therefore should generate some lively discussion, which it has. Plus, you simply like to inform others of something you find beneficial and are convinced has merit. I am trying it out because it is way better researched than other food recommendations and is likely to be more than a fad. But like the fads, it promises a few health benefits I could sure use. Plus, I'm desparate about the tinnitus. Even if it doesn't help with that "objectively" I'll take all the magic feathers I can get. Having more energy means less time laying down in quiet conditions when the ringing is the most annoying and impossible to ignore. It could just be a low-carb thing, but I generally have more energy than I did a week ago. I don't have the "deep sleep" others report; I go to sleep just the same, then at 4 or 5 in the morning, boing awake. Usually when I wake up at an odd time and can't go back to sleep, I have to pay for it layer with a little nappy-poo. But on low carbs I have good energy from 5am to 10:30pm. When I get done reading the book I'll lend it to a neighbor (pediatrician, same guy who examined my son when an inlaw dropped him on his face) and see what he thinks. I have half of the book to go, and the neighbor needs to return The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, which BTW would be very good for built2last66 to read. Something odd sure is going on with the diabetes association if some carbs have a higher glycemic index than pure table sugar, yet they still recommend that diabetics eat them. I'm not diabetic, but just the same, I sure don't miss the energetic/tired/energetic/tired ride from my blood sugar yo-yoing up and down. Just for fun I tried a big ol' baked potato (a food I love) the other day, and it crashed me good. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by built2last66 on 11/07/11 at 08:04:06 Boule'tard why have I been selected to read "The Selfish Gene"? I'm actually sick of questioning the very fabric that holds the universe together... Let me suggest at short story for you to read called "Who Goes There?" by John W. Campbell... later adapted into a movie by John Carpenter called "The Thing" :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 11/07/11 at 08:13:57 485F43465E18464B595E1C1C2A0 wrote:
The Selfish Gene is the best primer on evolution out there, IMO. I have never heard of Who Goes There but tell me how I might benefit from it and I might well read it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/07/11 at 08:33:32 Well we're going way off the subject of wheat here, but Who Goes There? is an excellent short story about DNA and evolution and thinking "outside of the box". |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 11/07/11 at 08:50:34 Talking about evolution and DNA isn't too far off topic. After all, part of the theory is that wheat DNA has been modified too fast in the last 50 years for human DNA to keep up, and that is now causing nutrition problems and celiac disease for some people. I'll go ahead and put Who Goes There in the hopper of readings. Especially if it is available as a downloadable PDF :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/07/11 at 17:46:37 606D776E6776637066020 wrote:
Not only has wheat been modified egregiously, human DNA has a long way to go to simply adapt to grains. We don't change very much, genetically speaking, in a mere 10,000 years. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/07/11 at 18:01:17 I haven't changed much in the last 50 years,I still look like I'm in my 20s.Gyro I knew we would agreed on something. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/07/11 at 18:13:27 48455F464F5E4B584E2A0 wrote:
You figure it is a controversial subject that challenges people's long-held conventions, and therefore should generate some lively discussion, which it has. Plus, you simply like to inform others of something you find beneficial and are convinced has merit. I am trying it out because it is way better researched than other food recommendations and is likely to be more than a fad. But like the fads, it promises a few health benefits I could sure use. Plus, I'm desparate about the tinnitus. Even if it doesn't help with that "objectively" I'll take all the magic feathers I can get. Having more energy means less time laying down in quiet conditions when the ringing is the most annoying and impossible to ignore. It could just be a low-carb thing, but I generally have more energy than I did a week ago. I don't have the "deep sleep" others report; I go to sleep just the same, then at 4 or 5 in the morning, boing awake. Usually when I wake up at an odd time and can't go back to sleep, I have to pay for it layer with a little nappy-poo. But on low carbs I have good energy from 5am to 10:30pm. When I get done reading the book I'll lend it to a neighbor (pediatrician, same guy who examined my son when an inlaw dropped him on his face) and see what he thinks. I have half of the book to go, and the neighbor needs to return The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, which BTW would be very good for built2last66 to read. Something odd sure is going on with the diabetes association if some carbs have a higher glycemic index than pure table sugar, yet they still recommend that diabetics eat them. I'm not diabetic, but just the same, I sure don't miss the energetic/tired/energetic/tired ride from my blood sugar yo-yoing up and down. Just for fun I tried a big ol' baked potato (a food I love) the other day, and it crashed me good. [/quote] "You figure it is a controversial subject that challenges people's long-held conventions, and therefore should generate some lively discussion, which it has. Plus, you simply like to inform others of something you find beneficial and are convinced has merit." Very well stated. It even sounds better coming from someone other than me, especially you. Thanks. I am hoping for some tinnitus relief myself. Three tours in F-4 squadrons pretty much obliterated my high freq hearing, and increased the tinnitus with each tour. It does get hard to live with sometimes. I am experiencing the energy benefits you mention as well. Today, for example, I dug out the old concrete, and set a new mailbox post in new concrete (three hours). I took my current wife out to lunch and shopping (2.5 hours). I assembled a lawn vac, and sucked up all the leaves in the front yard. That lawn vac is heavy, and my front yard is a hill. (3 hours) Two months ago I would have been a trembling mass at this point, but I feel fine,... well used, but fine. I also can go to sleep SOOO much easier now. I used to need melatonin or out and out sleeping drugs, and/or lie in bed reading for an hour or more to get sleepy. Then I'd wake up groggy. Now I can hit the sack any time I want, get comfy, and,... sleepy-time-time. When I wake up, I feel much more rested now. I know it would be TMI, so I won't go into it other than to say regularity with gentleness is a wonderful thing. I've already mentioned the absence of headaches. After decades of several headaches each week, it is heaven to be free of them now. Also, I've gone from 212 to 206 in the month I have been wheat-free. I was already a low-carber (since 2003) so I attribute all these benefits to just getting off of grains, especially wheat. I also know just what you mean by the blood sugar spike yo-yo. Life is serene in comparison, when the blood sugar stays low and consistent. Glad you are still hanging in there! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/09/11 at 17:48:59 WHEAT... Yeah I did it.... :( |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/09/11 at 18:39:05 01160A0F17510F0210175555630 wrote:
Ain't that the truth... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/11/11 at 21:41:49 A buddy from high school emailed me about what has happened to him in the several weeks he has been off of wheat (and other grains). After decades of diabetes and botched operations therewith, his diabetes numbers are down to the point of his doc telling him to cut out some of his medications and reduce others. This is similar to what the lady in the bookstore told me had happened to her. (the one that made the crack about my age) Several folks on the Wheat Belly facebook page have chimed in similarly. I'm not diabetic, but it sure seems like getting rid of the catastrophic blood sugar spikes from eating wheat seems to have quite a beneficial effect for diabetics, anyway. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/11 at 22:39:55 Ive had no wheat in about 2 weeks, very limited carbs, no corn, no taters, no bread of any kind, no chips & hot sauce, no alcohol of any kind. Beer is loaded with wheat, Ive lost about 5 pounds, but I see no health improvements yet, still dragging, still the Brain Fog crap.. It may take 3 months to get the candida killed out,l I cant even eat a plum, or an apple, or cooked carrots. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/11/11 at 23:43:31 I'm having a problem completely avoiding all wheat, I was a bit ill prepared when I started so I knew I'd have the problem. I did eat a whole grain bun with some BBQ beef and the sluggishness hit me like a ton of bricks... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/12/11 at 06:02:02 27302C293177292436317373450 wrote:
Yes,.. avoiding wheat today is tough at first. Wheat is EVERYWHERE. it is a whole lot easier to say than to do because,... well, it is in just about everything. Hang in there. We'll start up a support group or something here, eh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/12/11 at 06:26:42 46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
Blood yeast problems were what started me low-carbing in 2003. The Doc had me on a regimen that had no sugar at all, low carbs, and no fermented stuff like soy sauce, fancy cheeses, etc. He was after a low and stable blood sugar, and no stuff that directly supported yeasty growing things. I started losing weight gradually for 3 or 4 months then it stabilized,.. went from 235 or so to 205. (I'm 6'3") It took several months for the yeast thing to heal up, but it did. The doc said my problems started back when I was 2 or 3 when polio victims were flooded with new antibiotics. I wonder what would have happened if I had known about wheat back then? Hope things keep improving. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/11 at 08:40:09 Did you have "Brain Fog" problems? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/12/11 at 12:02:14 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
I had a variation of brain fog for a few days after starting wheat-free. -- It was a kind of listlessness along with a low mood,... just not feeling very happy. -- Thankfully it was about this time when the book arrived and, sho' nuf, I read about how wheat can affect you emotionally, and that moods can be affected as part of a "withdrawal syndrome" typical of getting off of wheat. -- So, I "endeavored to perservere" and just accept the idea that it was all going to work out fine. It did,.. it does. -- The brain fog only lasted several days. I suppose after 64 years of wheat every day, the effects don't disappear in an hour or so. I had no idea about how wheat can screw up people psychologically until reading of some of the studies (some many decades old) in the book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/12/11 at 12:11:40 I went wheat free for one day,Had a erection that lasted over 4 hours,Went back to eating wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/12/11 at 12:26:12 4C47424218192E0 wrote:
So you're saying you need some down time? I need some too, on or off the wheat pipe... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/12/11 at 15:30:45 2C27222278794E0 wrote:
Drat. I thought for a sec there you were going to have something useful to say. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/16/11 at 06:54:01 The tinnitus is decreasing. This could be caused by one of two things, however. 1. Just being wheat-free is reducing the problem, as is claimed by other folks on the wheat belly facebook page. and/or 2. Since I don't have headaches anymore, I don't take my usual remedy of three aspirin and a caffeine pill several times a week like before. Aspirin and caffeine both make the tinnitus worse, so maybe their absence is causing what feels like reduced tinnitus. Either way, I like it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/11 at 12:56:47 Ive lost 12 or 13 pounds, pants no longer feel like they are cutting me in half. But, Im avoiding a lot more than wheat. No milk, no kefer, or fruit, bread,.potatoes, crackers w/ stew, no corn, or carrots, limiting carbs/sugars as much as possible. Im not seeing any health improvement yet, tinnitus still raging, but thats been permanent since my late 20's. Candida is a mean opponent. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by SuperSavage on 11/16/11 at 19:59:40 I'm curious, are most of you anti-wheat folks over weight, big-guts? Ill? Suffer from years of nutritional neglect? i don't consume as much wheat as I once did, but I don't shun it either. M-O-D-E-R-A-T-I-O-N. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/11 at 20:22:31 I weigh 155,, hardly a lardass. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/17/11 at 06:56:37 I was 145-150.. now I'm about 165.. seasonal depression kicks my tushy and I eat to counteract it.. 5'7 in height so I'm no gut buster either... when I'm 145lbs I have 17% or less body fat depending on if I'm working out regularly or not.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 06:58:48 7B5E595F5F4852504503010000310 wrote:
Moderation works sometimes, sometimes not. When we're talking wheat,... NOT. The folks with wheat bellies need to stop eating wheat more urgently than the rest of us, but we all get damaged from wheat. You'd be healthier if you, as you put it, shunned wheat. FYI, I was 210 when I transitioned to wheat-free-me. After about 6 weeks, I'm at 205. I'm 6'3" tall. Just for the silliness of it, why don't you do something crazy and go wheat free for 6 weeks and tell us what happens? You'd either have to eat crow, so to speak, or gloat. We'll let you decide. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/17/11 at 07:09:13 I have been wheat free since Oct 10 or so. Not carb free- all I cut out was wheat. My health has not improved. As a matter of fact my sugars are worse. I tested 20.5 yesterday, which is three times high normal, and the worst it has been since I was diagnosed in Feb of 2000, when it was 22. I will go back to wheat and see what happens. Maybe my pancreas has quit working altogether. :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 08:14:09 3833333A3639382223570 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/17/11 at 09:22:03 Some people (only some),... find relief from tinnitus by taking a B12 supplement... It makes sense that some would get this by eating more meat (high in B12)... but this is a side effect of going wheat free... the added meat, will also add undesirable things like fat and cholesterol... Try a normal balanced healthy diet with a B12 supplement.. Don't diabetics avoid blood sugar spikes by eating more small meals, rather than fewer large ones?... Cut out the main part of every meal, and and of course you'll lose weight... No carbs = no staple foods... Seems like almost all the "effects" of a wheat free diet are incidental... I'm naturally lean (140lbs),.. but if I eat too much, I gain weight... If I start to gain, I cut down... I cut down everything, in a balanced way... Just eat smaller portions... Our bodies have use for fats, carbs, and sugars.. Deep Thought:... "It's all about balance"... ;D... Everyone I've ever met that's smaller than me,... eats less than me... Everyone that's heavier,.. eats more... Duh!... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 10:13:51 697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:
Diabetics should eat low carb foods in moderate amounts. If, for some dumb reason, a diabetic is eating high carb foods, then, yes, he should eat small amounts often, rather than all at once. I don't know what you mean by no carbs = no staple foods. If you understood all the problems with wheat in particular, you'd see what is wrong with your statement about effects of wheat avoidance being incidental. Our bodies have use for fats, some carbs, and very little sugar input. Yes, it is all about balance. Eating wheat throws off the balance. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/17/11 at 10:20:11 Gyro,... whatever... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 11:52:45 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
I was just referring to the everpresent situation where points being made that seem to counter a given position, are often made without understanding the position. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/17/11 at 12:14:24 To balance my wheat I always eat a couple candy bars, It works 5 6 150# |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 12:18:47 474C49491312250 wrote:
Drat,For a secind their I though you wear going too contribute something meaningfil. BTW, did you know a Snickers bar is healthier than two slices of whole wheat bread? (from the blood sugar spike aspect) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/17/11 at 12:21:03 I like both of them my favorite sandwich. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/17/11 at 14:00:32 7D4348555855583A0 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other.[/quote] Explain to me how making one change (no wheat) and no changes in the other carbs I carefully eat (not "high carbing") can affect my blood sugars the way it has. BTW I had shredded wheat for breakfast today, instead of the cornflakes I had yesterday, and my sugars were 1/2 what they were yesterday. :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/17/11 at 14:05:02 1B252E333E333E5C0 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other.[/quote] Explain to me why changing one thing only (no wheat) in my diet sent my sugars sky high. I don't "high carb" I eat carbs very carefully. BTW I had shredded wheat for breakfast this morning, instead of the cornflakes I had yesterday and my sugars today are half of yesterdays. :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/17/11 at 16:02:59 Enough of this wheat belly nonsense. Here is the only diet that has been unanimously endorsed by nutritionists, and has PROVEN benefits. Vegetarianism vegetarian health benefits In the past, many viewed vegetarianism as strange and faddish but appropriately planned vegetarian diets are now recognized by many, including the American Dietetic Association, as being nutritionally adequate, and providing healthful benefits in the prevention and treatment of chronic diseases (1). Choosing a nonvegetarian lifestyle has a significant health and medical cost. The total direct medical costs in the United States attributable to meat consumption were estimated to be $30-60 billion a year, based upon the higher prevalence of hypertension, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, gallstones, obesity and food-borne illness among omnivores compared with vegetarians. A large body of scientific literature suggests that the consumption of a diet of whole grains, legumes, vegetables, nuts, and fruits, with the avoidance of meat and high-fat animal products, along with a regular exercise program is consistently associated with lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, less obesity and consequently less heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer, and mortality (1,3, 4). In African-Americans, the frequent consumption of nuts, fruits and green salads was associated with 35-44 percent lower risk of overall mortality. Seven Common Vegetarian Health Benefits Healthy Heart The greatest of the vegetarian health benefits is reduced risk of heart attacks. This is because vegetarians usually have lower cholesterol levels. Cholesterol levels are greatly increased by meat, especially red meat. Vegetarian diets are also low in saturated fats that are common in meat. Vegetables contain plant proteins, which are lower in cholesterol compared to animal proteins. Cholesterol and saturated fats are the major causes of heart disease, especially in those in their sunset years. This is because they clog the inside of the blood vessels over time. This leads to heart attacks, strokes and other cardiovascular diseases. Fruit and vegetable specifically have vegetarian health benefits by reducing the risk of getting ischemic heart disease, myocardial infarction and angina which are common in older people. This is because fruits and vegetables contain folic acid, carotenoids, dietary fiber, potassium, flavonoids, magnesium, phytosterols, and other polyphenolic antioxidants that have vegetarian health benefits. Vegetarian diets rich in soluble fiber such as the ones found in oats, squash, carrots, dry beans and apples lowering serum cholesterol levels that might have been accumulated over the years, therefore adding people more years among other vegetarian health benefits. Fruits, nuts, whole grain and vegetables have flavonoids that have some biological properties and other vegetarian health benefits that are responsible for reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease in that they are antioxidants and so they protect LDL cholesterol from undergoing oxidation, effectively inhibiting formation of blood clots in the arteries and other blood vessels. The flavonoids also have a hypolipidemic effects and an anti-inflammatory effect – these are good for the health of the heart. Lower Blood Pressure Another of the vegetarian health benefits is that vegetarians have lower blood pressure compared to those who eat meat, especially red meant. This is because vegetarian diets are low in salt – salt has been identified as the main cause of high blood pressure and hypertension. High blood pressure also occurs when blood tries to flow faster because of obstructed blood vessels. The obstruction is usually caused by cholesterol ingested from eating meat. Lower blood pressure is also maintained by the potassium which is found in fruits and vegetables such as apricots, papaya, bananas, cantaloupe, strawberries, eggplant, avocado, oranges, tomatoes, cucumber, cabbage, cauliflower, bell pepper, squash, turmeric, broccoli, parsley, spinach and lima beans among others. Control of Diabetes Although diabetes does not have a cure yet, eating a vegetarian diet that is high in fiber and complex carbohydrates found in plant foods controls diabetes and has other vegetarian health benefits. Most doctors agree with this fact and advise their patients to consume legumes, vegetables, fruits and whole grains for controlling diabetes. These also have lower blood sugar and they completely eliminate the need for meds in some cases. Prevention of Cancer Another of the vegetarian health benefits is that it vegetarian diets help in the prevention of cancer which is very important because cancer has no cure. Almost all cancers, especially epithelial cancers, can be prevented with regular consumption of fruits and vegetables. Foods such as cruciferous vegetables, herbs and fruits have cancer-protective phytochemicals such as flavonoids, carotenoids, ellagic acid, sulfide compounds, isoflavones, isothiocyanates glucarates, phenolic acids, phthalides, phytosterols, saponins and terpenoids among others. Elimination of Toxins from the Body Meat usually has a lot of toxins. Fruits and vegetables do not have preservatives as is the case with most packaged and/or processed foods. Vegetarians usually ingest organic foods that are grown without the chemicals responsible for toxin build-up in our bodies such as pesticides. Toxins cause skin problems, allergies, influenza, and a host of other ailments. In severe cases, they have been known to cause cancer and other serious medical conditions such as infertility. Easier Digestion of Food It is a fact that human beings have a challenging time digesting meat and fish. These are ‘heavy’ foods that take a lot of time and energy to digest. People who eat such foods eventually experience weakening of their digestive systems which brings such problems as inability to eliminate waste rapidly. This means their bodies have a hard time doing ‘self-cleaning’ and this leads to problems such as stomach and intestinal cancer. On the other hand, foods such as fruits and vegetables are easily and rapidly digested and other vegetarian foods that are rich in fiber have vegetarian health benefits in that they actually aid in digestion. Improvement of Overall Health Vegetarians enjoy many health benefits and they are less likely to be obese, their skins and other excretion systems work better and they have fewer toxins in their body. Although these vegetarian health benefits might not prevent diseases directly, it is easier for vegetarians to live longer and to have less sick days. vegetarian diet is distinguished from an omnivorous diet by its content of dry beans and lentils. These take the place of meat and fish as the major source of protein. And there are so many different kinds of beans you can choose from - kidney, lima, pinto, cranberry, navy, Great Northern, garbanzo, soy beans, and black-eyed peas. These can be served with rice, added to soups, stews, and salads or a variety of casseroles, and made into different ethnic dishes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/17/11 at 16:34:58 +1 Star... I do eat meat, but keep portions small and lean... Mostly chicken, or turkey,... occasional pork,... beef very rarely... keeping portions down to 3oz or so... Turkey day is coming,... save all the juices,... refrigerate, and when chilled, skim all the fat off the top... you are left with delicious, no-fat aspic jelly... ...great for soups. gravies, and sauces... make your pan stuffing with it, and save yourself 1,000 calories of fat and cholesterol... ;)... Happy, healthy, Turkey Day,... 'cept for the turkey... ... the moral question of meat consumption,... is another question... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 18:03:39 07203526383D32203126540 wrote:
Nonsense |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 18:04:55 2C27272E222D2C3637430 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other.[/quote] Explain to me why changing one thing only (no wheat) in my diet sent my sugars sky high. I don't "high carb" I eat carbs very carefully. BTW I had shredded wheat for breakfast this morning, instead of the cornflakes I had yesterday and my sugars today are half of yesterdays. :-?[/quote] Shredded wheat and cornflakes are both high carb items. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/17/11 at 19:15:20 "Nonsense" ...whatever |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/17/11 at 19:22:33 Here is some additional information. Cancer Protection A major report published by the World Cancer Research Fund in 1997 recommended we lower our risk of cancer by choosing predominantly plant-based diets rich in a variety of vegetables and fruits, legumes and minimally processed starchy staple foods, and to limit the intake of grilled, cured and smoked meats and fish. These methods of preparing meat produce polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterocyclic amines which are carcinogenic (11). Over 200 studies have revealed that a regular consumption of fruits and vegetables provides significant protection against cancer at many sites. People who consume higher amounts of fruits and vegetables have about one-half the risk of cancer, especially the epithelial cancers (7). The risk of most cancers was 20-50% lower in those with a high versus a low consumption of whole grains (8). About three dozen plant foods have been identified as possessing cancer-protective properties. These include cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower), umbelliferous vegetables and herbs (carrots, celery, cilantro, caraway, dill, parsley), other fruits and vegetables (citrus, tomatoes, cucumber, grapes, cantaloupe, berries), beans (soybeans), whole grains (brown rice, oats, whole wheat), flaxseed, many nuts, and various seasoning herbs (garlic, scallions, onions, chives, ginger, turmeric, rosemary, thyme, oregano, sage, and basil). These foods and herbs contain of host of cancer-protective phytochemicals such as carotenoids, flavonoids, isothiocyanates, isoflavones, ellagic acid, glucarates, curcurmins, liminoids, lignans, phenolic acids, phthalides, saponins, phytosterols, sulfide compounds, terpenoids, and tocotrienols. These beneficial compounds alter metabolic pathways and hormonal actions that are associated with the development of cancer, stimulate the immune system, and have antioxidant activity (10). Heart Disease Regular fruit and vegetable consumption reduces the risk of ischemic heart disease. A recent survey of 47,000 Italians found that persons in the highest tertile of vegetable consumption had a 21and 11% reduced risk of myocardial infarction and angina, respectively, compared with those in the lowest tertile of vegetable consumption (12). A British study found that daily consumption of fresh fruit was associated with a 24 percent reduction in mortality from heart disease and a 32 percent reduction in death from cerebrovascular disease, compared with less frequent fruit consumption. Daily consumption of raw salad was associated with a 26 percent reduction in mortality from heart disease (13). In another study, lifelong vegetarians had a 24 percent lower incidence and lifelong vegans (those who eat no eggs or dairy products) had a 57 percent lower incidence of coronary heart disease compared to meat eaters (14). Healthy volunteers who consumed a vegetarian diet (25% of calories as fat) that was rich in green, leafy vegetables and other low-calorie vegetables (tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, bell peppers, celery, green beans, etc.), fruits, nuts, sweet corn and peas experienced after two weeks decreases of 25, 33, 20 and 21 percent in total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, and total/HDL cholesterol ratio, respectively (15). Various factors exist in fruits and vegetables that provide possible protection against cardiovascular disease. These factors include folic acid, dietary fiber, potassium, magnesium, carotenoids, phytosterols, flavonoids, and other polyphenolic antioxidants. Typically, vegetarian diets are also somewhat lower in saturated fat and cholesterol. Vegetarians typically have lower blood cholesterol levels. Plant diets rich in soluble fiber (such as found in dry beans, oats, carrots, squash, apples, and citrus) are useful for lowering serum cholesterol levels. The many flavonoids in fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains, have extensive biological properties that reduce the risk of heart disease. Flavonoids are among the most potent antioxidants. They protect LDL cholesterol from oxidation; inhibit the formation of blood clots; and have hypolipidemic effects and anti-inflammatory action (16). European studies found that those who had the highest consumption of flavonoids had 60 percent less mortality from heart disease and 70 percent lower risk of stroke than the low flavonoid consumers (17,18). The yellow-orange and red carotenoid pigments in fruits and vegetables are powerful antioxidants that can quench free radicals and protect against cholesterol oxidation. Persons with high levels of serum carotenoids have a reduced risk of heart disease. The recent EURAMIC study found that a high intake of lycopene (the red pigment in tomatoes, pink grapefruit, and watermelon) was associated in men with a 48 percent lower risk of a myocardial infarction compared with a low intake of lycopene (19). Cholesterol synthesis is suppressed and LDL receptor activity is augmented by the carotenoids beta-carotene and lycopene, similar to that seen with the drug fluvastatin (20). Berries, Beans and Grains Anthocyanin pigments, the reddish pigments found in fruits, such as strawberries, cherries, cranberries, raspberries, blueberries, grapes, and black currants, are very effective in scavenging free radicals, inhibiting LDL cholesterol oxidation and inhibiting platelet aggregation. Various terpenoids in fruits and vegetables, and tocotrienols in nuts and seeds facilitate lower blood cholesterol levels, by inhibiting HMG-CoA reductase (21). Garlic, onions and other members of the Allium family, contain a variety of ajoenes, vinyldithiins, and other sulfide compounds that have antithrombotic action and may lower blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels. A number of studies have shown that legumes lower blood cholesterol levels, improve blood sugar control, and lower triglyceride levels. Since beans are good sources of soluble fiber, vegetable protein, saponins, phytosterols and polyunsaturated fat, consuming a diet rich in legumes will lower risk of heart disease. In the Nurses' Health Study, the highest consumption of whole grains was associated with about a 35-40% reduction in risk of heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes. In the Adventist Health Study a regular consumption of whole wheat bread was associated with a 40 to 50% reduced risk of fatal and non-fatal heart disease. Nut Studies Epidemiological studies have consistently reported that frequent nut consumption is associated with a 30-60% reduction in the risk of coronary heart disease (22). A number of clinical trials have demonstrated the effectiveness of diets containing almonds, pecans, peanuts, hazelnuts, pistachios, macadamia nuts, or walnuts to significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels by 7 to 16 percent, without much change in HDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels. While nuts are high in fat, they are naturally low in saturated fat and most are quite rich in monounsaturated fat. Nuts also contain a number of vitamins, minerals and other substances important for cardiovascular health, such as potassium, magnesium, vitamin E, folic acid, copper, and dietary fiber. In addition, most nuts contain phytosterols, tocotrienols, and protective polyphenolics such as ellagic acid and flavonoids. Stroke and Diabetes Data from two prospective studie supports a protective relationship between fruit and vegetable consumption and risk of ischemic stroke. Cruciferous and green leafy vegetables and citrus fruits were the most protective. Data from the NHANES study revealed that consuming fruit and vegetables three or more times a day compared with less than once a day was associated with a 27% lower incidence of stroke, a 42% lower stroke mortality, a 27% lower cardiovascular disease mortality, and a 15% lower all-cause mortality. In the Adventist Health Study, non-vegetarians had a risk of fatal stroke that was 20-30% higher than the vegetarians. Data from population studies and human trials provide evidence that vegetarian dietary patterns lower blood pressure (26). Lower systolic blood pressures in elderly vegetarians has been reported to be best accounted for by their lower body weight (27). Vegetarians living in northern Mexico, were found to have lower body weights, higher potassium and lower sodium intakes, and lower mean blood pressures than non-vegetarians. Higher consumption of nuts and whole grains has been associated with lower rates of diabetes. In a large prospective study, fruit and vegetable intake was found to be inversely associated with the incidence of diabetes, particularly among women. Men and women who reported seldom or never eating fruit or green leafy vegetables had higher mean HbA1C levels than those who had more frequent consumption. An increased consumption of fruit and vegetables appears to contribute to the prevention of diabetes. Summary The consumption of a generous supply of whole grains, legumes, nuts, fruits and vegetables provides protection against chronic diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease and diabetes. A plant-based diet is rich in its content of health-promoting factors such as the many phytochemicals they contain. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/11 at 19:56:40 1A3D283B25202F3D2C3B490 wrote:
More nonsense. I don't have anywhere near enough time to show ALL the fallacies in there, but here is one: "In the Adventist Health Study a regular consumption of whole wheat bread was associated with a 40 to 50% reduced risk of fatal and non-fatal heart disease." These findings always compare eating whole wheat bread to what was being eaten before the study,.. stuff like white bread, donuts, twinkies, etc. They never study what happens to heart disease with wheat bread compared to without wheat bread. Dr Davis did that personally for decades. He found out for himself what happened to his heart disease patients when they used the idiotic diet you prefer (and he was required to use), compared to the diet he eventually used. He didn't switch to wheat-free to kill his patients,.. he switched to make them better. He took a lot of heat from the government, the insurance companies, and other Docs when he did so. The proof is in the pudding, however. Whole wheat bread worsens heart disease. Avoiding whole wheat bread lessens it. One big eureka moment for him was when he realized he kept putting his patients on "heart healthy" diets, and then immediately prescribed heavy-duty drugs to keep them from dying. When he finally made the transition to keeping them off the food that was killing them in the first place, they no longer needed the drugs, or bypass operations, etc. What was shocking to him, though, was when he took them off wheat, they kept reporting all kinds of other improvements not related to heart disease. Diabetics were not diabetic anymore. Arthritics had comfy joints. Skin problems disappered. Migraines stopped. After a few more years, he decided he needed to get the word out, so he wrote a book. If you'd read the book, rather than just drinkin' the koolaid, you might have a different outlook on all this. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/18/11 at 04:22:00 0E303B262B262B490 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other.[/quote] Explain to me why changing one thing only (no wheat) in my diet sent my sugars sky high. I don't "high carb" I eat carbs very carefully. BTW I had shredded wheat for breakfast this morning, instead of the cornflakes I had yesterday and my sugars today are half of yesterdays. :-?[/quote] Shredded wheat and cornflakes are both high carb items.[/quote] You didn't answer my question. There must be an explanation somewhere in The Book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 06:43:41 515A5A535F50514B4A3E0 wrote:
I'm not surprised. You had little chance of success since you are still hi-carbing. You are still jolting your system with blood sugar spikes. Blood sugar spikes wreak havoc with diabetes. The wheat-belly concept is essentially a two-pronged approach,... no wheat AND low-carb. Both prongs go after a low and stable blood-sugar level. If you disregard either one, you mostly negate the other.[/quote] Explain to me why changing one thing only (no wheat) in my diet sent my sugars sky high. I don't "high carb" I eat carbs very carefully. BTW I had shredded wheat for breakfast this morning, instead of the cornflakes I had yesterday and my sugars today are half of yesterdays. :-?[/quote] Shredded wheat and cornflakes are both high carb items.[/quote] You didn't answer my question. There must be an explanation somewhere in The Book.[/quote] I can't explain to you why you are disappointed when your blood sugar goes up when you eat stuff that causes blood sugar spikes. Besides, I am no Doctor. Your previous descriptions of your condition makes it sound to me like your bod has problems the average bod does not have. -- That puts your situation beyond my understanding, even assuming I understand all this stuff for a normal bod in the first place. -- The sum total of my understanding comes from my exploration of the book, the research my scepticism generated, and the hundreds of comments/questions/testimonials/etc. displayed on the wheat belly sites. That doesn't make me expert enough to diagnose genuine medical issues. Dr Davis is very responsive on the Facebook Wheat Belly site. -- If you would go there, explain how you are trying the wheat-free thing, and explain the problems you are having, I'm sure he would respond, either personally if you desire, or on the Facebook page. -- Using the page would be better because there are probably many folks out there with situations just like yours. -- If there are solutions to your problems, he would have them. Not only is he qualified, he's had decades of experience with 1,000s of his own patients. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 06:56:54 Here's a Wheat Belly video. Extremely good blues guitar work. Fun to watch even if you like USDA-approved diets. ;) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dew8ue3Gv1s&feature=youtu.be[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 07:09:58 Arteacher, here's a post from a diabetic new to the wheat belly facebook page: Well I am two weeks in, lost 4 pounds and cut my metformin in half due to my blood sugars dropping so low...into the low 3's at one point. I know some people have gotten better results but I admit I am still eating some crap wheat free foods. My goal was to see what effects just getting rid of wheat would have and I am impressed. Looks like all 4 pounds came off my gut. My next goal is to eat a bit healthier, more veggies in particular, but not eating bread, pasta, muffins, cake has really changed my eating habits, how hungry i get...which is never. I used to have a huge appetite, now i am going 6 hours or more without eating and without being hungry. Those were the changes I was looking for, low blood sugar, lower food consumption, and I have met those goals. Very impressed, best purchase i have made. This isn't a no wheat Diet, it's a no wheat life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/18/11 at 07:16:13 Gyro, I respect your right ho hold any opinion you desire to. That said, I think you have been led down a devious path. You have been taken in by a con man, who, as most con men do, used a little bit of truth and twisted it and built on it to make a false picture for people to see. His little bit of truth is nothing more than expounding on the Atkins diet, and picking out wheat as the bad guy to stone in the public square. We all know that many North Americans are carb addicts, and that a lifetime of over-eating carbs has damaged many of us, including, possibly, me, but wheat is not the bad guy here, the over-consumption of carbs is. You have made all the converts here you are going to make, and are now beating a very dead horse. You started this thread, and I think it's time you stopped it. So leave it alone, and rest easy in the fact that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Karl. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 07:35:20 4A414148444B4A5051250 wrote:
You could not be more mistaken. Why don't you have a look at the Wheat Belly Facebook page and see what is going on there? It might be enlightening. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/18/11 at 07:39:35 "and rest easy in the fact that you are right and everyone else is wrong". as usual..... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/18/11 at 07:59:21 2F393E26387A4B0 wrote:
The only way he will stop is if he is ignored. If he doesn't stop then he will be talking to himself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 08:18:01 If this is all a fraud maybe Dr. Davis is conducting mass hypnosis or something,... otherwise how is this happening to me? -- Losing weight again, 8 lbs so far. Using new holes on most belts. -- No more headaches (this after 40 years of several headaches per week). -- Tinnitus is diminishing, but I'll admit it might be from not taking aspirin and caffeine anymore. -- Bruises and cuts heal faster, but, again, this might be from no aspirin. -- How do I phrase this next one?,... well,.. let's just say that after decades of inconsistent fecal combat, I now enjoy a serene, gentle, and tidy regularity. -- Joint pain and stiffness are markedly reduced. With motorcycles and gyrocopters, the ability to crank my head around in traffic to look for other traffic behind me (like I did in my 30's) is huge. Getting up off the floor while assembling RYCA bikes is a lot easier. -- I've stopped taking allegra, since the allergy symptoms have mostly disappeared. -- More stamina/energy. A couple weeks ago, for example, I pushed a lawn vac around a acre of lawn to get up all the leaves, bagged the leaves, mowed that acre with a push mower, removed all the concrete from a mailbox post hole and installed a new mailbox post doing all the new concrete, took my current wife out for three hours of lunch and shopping, and washed two cars. In September, that amount of work would have reduced me to a quivering mass (I'm 64), assuming I would have had the mental energy to even contemplate it. -- Appetite has diminished noticeably. Hunger pangs don't happen anymore. The current wife calls me "to-go-box Bob" because I get full so much sooner,.. always needing a "to go" box. It has gotten to the point where I have to eat when the schedule calls for it rather than because I feel hungry. I have skipped meals altogether a few times and not felt it at all. -- No more Tums. I've always had occasional heartburn,.. maybe a few times a month. Every once in a while it would get pretty bad and sustained for days,.. so bad I'd have to get some prescription antacids. Maybe 7 weeks is too soon to draw any firm conclusions, but I'm liking it now. -- I've stopped taking melatonin to help fall asleep. No more sominex, etc., either. Now when I hit the sack, a few minutes after my head touches the pillow, I am out. I can sleep in a moving car now, for decades a feat impossible for me. -- No more caffeine required in the morning. This newfound energy level has replaced my need to get the brain started after waking up all groggy. -- Blood pressure might have decreased a little. I am reluctant to actually use this one because the numbers are close (130/85 -> 120/75), and because I am using the machine at Walmart. Maybe the numbers aren't perfectly accurate, but if I am using the same machine over and over again, a steady decrease is still a decrease. I am keeping a file on the improvements. That is what is copy/pasted above. I find I am needing to explain these things over and over again so I got tired of having to recreate it. This morning I added the items about heartburn and blood pressure. Keep in mind I am following the guidance in the book pretty closely. Absolutely NO wheat, and almost no other grains (oats, rice, corn, barley, etc.) at all. Lots of veggies, some fruits, some dairy, and lots of eggs and meat/fish/fowl. Very little manufactured food. No sugar or aspartame at all. Still exercising three or four days a week. I'm liking it a lot, and I'm sorry arteacher seems so discouraged. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 08:41:00 6A7C7B637D3F0E0 wrote:
You are right about me being right. You are wrong about everyone else being wrong, though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/18/11 at 10:06:31 Gyro you need to exercise more, then you can enjoy food like everyone else,And you want have the heath problems you have. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 10:08:25 747F7A7A2021160 wrote:
Bill, Bill, Bill,.. you put new meaning in the word opposite. ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 11/18/11 at 11:35:08 Ok I finished reading the wheat book. I read it with a skeptical eye, playing spot-the-bullshit, and really didn't find much. The author commands a terrific knowledge of chemistry as it relates to digestion, fat, diabetes and heart disease. A lot of this stuff goes right over my head so I had to take his word for much of it. However, I am also reading the "Paleo" diet book and many of the points in that book (regarding our body chemistry) corroborate with the wheat book. Where 'wheat belly' and 'Paleo' seem to part philosophies is with the dairy foods, so I'll be paying extra attention to why that is. I noticed an exaggeration where Davis calls a correlation with r^2 value 0.4something a "very strong correlation." Nah.. one only needs to look at the graph to see the data is quite scattered, with many points going opposite the general trend. To his credit, Davis does a very good job of documenting the research that this book is standing on, and is up front about the data he uses to reach his conclusions, often presenting it in a figure. The claim that a couple slices of bread cause your blood sugar to spike worse than 2 spoonfuls of straight sugar seems incredible to me, and I am still not sure if it's true. Sure, wheat is loaded with amylopectin-A, a "most obnoxious" carb, which breaks into sugar very early in the digestive process. But I don't understand how that is worse, in terms of blood sugar spikes, than ingesting the same number of calories worth of sugar. But I DO understand how one might falsely come to that conclusion. Whenever you are trying to characterize any effect that comes and goes within a certain timeframe, you have to collect data points at a short enough interval to capture the profile, the measured value with respect to time. The "spikier" the data, the shorter the point collection interval must be in order to capture the true peak. In my line of work we use data acquisition cards that are flat out awesome. For seismic data we'll have them collect a point every 0.1~0.2 milliseconds. For detailed radar data (w/spikes passing by at the speed of light) the collection interval is less than one nanosecond. What does that have to do with your blood sugar? Well, we know that certain foods cause it to spike to different magnitudes, but we don't know exactly when the peak occurs. The maximum is assumed to be 2 hours after eating, but I think that's a bad assumption. The best time to take the reading is probably different for different foods. I would guess an interval of 15 minutes would be sufficient to reasonably plot the shape and magnitude of blood sugar spikes, but the data behind the wheat vs. sugar claim is just a single point collected a fixed time after the food is ingested (GB please correct me if that's wrong). Perhaps by the time the wheat spike is in its prime, the spike from the table sugar has come and gone. The claim that wheat yanks your blood sugar the worst would have a lot more credibility if a full blood sugar profile was presented. Anyway, that might explain how arteacher got different readings for wheat vs. corn. I also think arteacher is right in that the no-wheat thing sort of piggybacks on Atkins. Many of the health problems cascade from high carbs from any source, not just wheat. But the book also covers other things that are more or less specific to wheat, like the harmful effects of gluten and that morphine receptor phenomenon. Food does seem to have less pull when you are off wheat. If I was doing an Amazon review I'd rate the book 3.5-4 stars. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/18/11 at 13:56:26 241A110C010C01630 wrote:
You are right about me being right. You are wrong about everyone else being wrong, though.[/quote] And if you look a little farther up, I was just quoting and agreeing with what someone else already said. :o |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/18/11 at 15:51:12 " I would guess an interval of 15 minutes would be sufficient to reasonably plot the shape and magnitude of blood sugar spikes" The accepted interval, according to my doctor and my specialist, is 20 min., so you are close. For example when my blood sugar crashes badly ( getting near coma territory) I am supposed to eat 15 mg of sugar immediately, check my sugar in 20 min, and then eat a peanut butter sandwich, wait another 20 min and check my sugars again. By this time they are near normal. The protean in the peanut butter causes the carbs in the bread to be absorbed more slowly over a longer period of time, preventing a blood sugar spike. The insulin I take is called "30-70", 30% fast acting, to prevent a spike immediately after eating, and 70% long term slow release, to keep the sugars even for about 12 hrs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 16:12:13 0E05050C000F0E1415610 wrote:
Zowie! I think you might be way far away from what this book is about. But how would I know? I still think you should bring up your issues on the Wheat Belly FB page. I'd really like to see what the Doc says about your advanced situation. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/18/11 at 17:05:42 "Nonsense" "Screed" and... "If you'd read the book, rather than just drinkin the koolaid, you might have a different outlook on all this." Bob, your self-serving self-righteous diet assertions are simply inconsistent with scientific facts (as your political opinions are inconsistent with reality.) It's interesting that every accepted scientific nutritional study published over the years is in your opinion 'drinking Kool-Aid, while you read some half baked, crackpot diet fad book and then swear that you now know the absolute truth about nutrition so help you God, and everyone else (including the science community) is dead wrong. I might add that your ‘anti-science’ bias is quite typical of those on the extreme right. I would bet that you don't believe in evolution and climate change either. Having said that I now expect that you will post a bunch of junk science about evolution and climate change, (stuff that no one but right wing hacks take seriously) and believe that you are doing all of us a big favor by imparting your intellectually superior opinions to us poor stupid motorcyclists. I wish to inform you that this site is filled with intelligent, caring, thoughtful people who unlike you consider other people's opinions enough to at least consider. You call the president a 'buffoon' constantly while asserting the wisdom and intellect of those on the right-wing lunatic fringe of politics. (I guess you haven't noticed), the Republicans are now the “How great is it to be stupid” party. In perpetrating the idea that there’s no intellectual requirement for the office of the presidency, the right wing of the party offers a Farrelly Brothers “Dumb and Dumber” primary in which evolution is avant-garde. Sarah Palin, who got outraged at a “gotcha” question about what newspapers and magazines she read, is the mother of stupid conservatism. Another “Don’t Know Much About History” Tea Party heroine, Michele Bachmann, seems rather proud of not knowing anything, simply repeating nutty, inflammatory rhetoric she memorizes by rote. Then take the current right-wing candidates. Looks like your Newton will be the next to drive the clown car after everyone has self destructed do to their ignorance. They're anti-education, anti-science, anti-book-lurnin, and they wear their ignorance like a badge of honor. So you see, as much as you hate other people's opinions whether it's food or politics, or anything else, other people see you as just as misinformed and wrong as you see everyone else. Think about it.....(end of rant) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/18/11 at 18:14:53 +1 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Z on 11/18/11 at 18:48:56 +1 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/18/11 at 20:15:37 624550435D5857455443310 wrote:
Wow. That's pretty impressive how you weave hatred and politics into a diet discussion. 274 of the 387 words in your rant dealt with your hatred of conservatives, not damage from wheat. Struck a nerve, eh? Let's get back to the basic idea. I have come across a concept new to me that I found quite valuable. I want to share it here. If you want to get all emotional about that, it won't help the discussion any. All I intended this thread to be was a discussion of this new knowledge about the damage wrought from wheat. I also wanted to relay what I discovered as I tried it out on myself. A case study of one. Well, I'm in the middle of the case study and things are going just fine. In fact I'd say way better than fine. I went from being a low-carber with wheat to a low-carber without wheat using the Wheat Belly book as a guide. I'm tickled with how much better I feel in so many ways. See my earlier post today with the long list of improvements. (reply #305) It seems you glossed right over that post. Your ignoring all of that and sticking with the USDA/wheat lobby hype doesn't distress me much. That is quite a typical reaction. No biggy. There will always be "flat-worlders" like you. I have managed to interest a few folks here. Some are even trying a few weeks without wheat. That pleases me a lot. I sure hope they are able to enjoy at least some of the benefits I do. I'm really impressed with Boule'tard's effort. He actually read the book. That gives his contributions here a lot of credibility, as opposed to yours. You haven't read the book. You know not of what you speak when it comes to Dr. Davis's discoveries. All you do is fall back on the same old food triangle. I'm curious to know what you think of all the benefits I have personally realized from making no change other than being wheat-free. Do you believe me? Or does it piss you off so much you can't bring yourself to address the issue? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Oldfeller on 11/18/11 at 20:25:07 I enjoyed reading the thread, all 22 pages of it .... I grew up in a "modern, forward thinking" world where they sprayed the neighborhood streets with white clouds of DDT and Chlordane to cut down on the malaria and other disease spreading deadly mosquitoes -- so what we killed off the fish and birds and who knows what else (and gave all the kiddies them little skin cancers all over their bodies that we all still have). But we did knock out TB, malaria, measles, small-pox etc. which was what we were after -- and the average age of Americans went up accordingly. Average age is still increasing, despite us doing all the bad things to ourselves that we have done dietetically. Wheat is just one item on the list, and it ain't nearly as bad as cigarettes or alcohol for a chronic user. We all die from our choices, good or bad whatever they are ..... Take heart, when the oil runs out the bad wheat won't grow without oil based fertilizers and Round-UP -- and millions will go hungry accordingly. We can't feed the existing population without oil-based agriculture, so in 15-20 years we'll all go hungry together. ;) It was nice to see Bill typing in full sentences, too |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by built2last66 on 11/18/11 at 20:26:37 Bob read this book, thought he'd share it.. he's not in bed with the author trying to lobby the wheat industry or anything... I mean I'm skeptical as hell about it being an odd angled diet scam (look at the authors other products lol). I still think it's up to the reader (whether you pay for the book or download it) to decide. I'll never give up corn beef hash (42mg of the 55mg of protein I need daily). [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/19/11 at 04:08:33 "All I intended this thread to be was a discussion of this new knowledge about the damage wrought from wheat. I also wanted to relay what I discovered as I tried it out on myself. A case study of one." Case study of two. Don't forget I tried it for a month and it screwed up my blood sugars royally. I didn't change my diet, that incidentally was working fairly well for me,(my last three month average blood sugar was just above normal, and my doctor gave me a pat on the back), other than substituting other carbs for wheat. Because of my wife's MS I have become very skeptical of treatments that are outside of the mainstream of medical opinion. Some of the treatments for MS have been: decompression where the patient was treated in a decompression chamber, bee stings, where patients were submitted to a large number of bee stings, and the latest- opening up the veins and/ or arteries in the neck. I believe that some "doctor" even expounded on bleeding as a cure. So I am very skeptical. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 06:00:01 474C4C454946475D5C280 wrote:
I am a very sceptical person as well. I have never really been a fat guy, but spending a couple decades in the USAF caused me to try out several different "diets" because I was usually near the rather restrictive weight limits for the yearly weigh-ins. I have lots of experience with the various forms of low fat and low cal schemes/fads. Some of them did result in weight loss, but I was miserable while on them (starving all the time, low energy, etc.), and my cholesterol ratios weren't nice. Then in 2003, in response to several unsuccessful attempts at curing my several ills, a new Doc said I had a blood yeast problem. He put me on what sounded like a low-carb approach, so I Atkins-ized. I was really sceptical about trying something so faddish, but I gave it a shot. It took a few months but, voila!,.. no more blood problems and I'll be darned if I didn't lose a lot of weight. I'm bringing this up again to show that I am a true sceptic, BUT, when presented with undeniable facts, I can be convinced. The low-carbing works. It really works when you do it properly. The key word here is "properly." The wheat belly thing works just like it says when you do it as described in the book. You didn't read the book. All you did was change around some high-carb foods. One of the things Dr. Davis explains in the book is that cutting out wheat is the primary factor, but getting off of all grains and keeping up a low and consistent carb intake is important as well. A three-pronged approach: 1. no wheat,.. 2. very little of other grains,.. 3. low carb "I didn't change my diet." So, you are a case study, maybe, but your case study is not a study in the wheat belly approach. Your situation with diabetes sounds so extreme, I don't know if you should even try something like this,... but how would I know? I'm no Doc. I still think you should contact Dr. Davis either directly or on the FB page. He has probably dealt with situations like yours a hundred times. What would it hurt to get his input? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/19/11 at 06:25:30 My point was that you changed other things as well as going off wheat, and you got results that you liked, which is all fine and good. I just substituted for wheat- no other changes- and it screwed me up, so therefore I deduced that wheat alone is not the evil. If you make a bunch of changes to your bike, all at the same time, and it doesn't run well, or runs better, how do you know which change was responsible for the change in performance? That's what I did- made one change, so I know the answer- to that question anyway. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 07:11:14 3C37373E323D3C2627530 wrote:
A valid point. You didn't do the wheat belly thing, you simply stopped ingesting wheat, which would be a case study in maintaining the same carb level with grains and other blood sugar sources, but without wheat. Now you know. My case study is also different from most folks finding out about the wheat belly thing. All I changed was to avoid grains. I have been a low-carber for a long time. I simply switched from being low-carb with grains to low-carb sans grains. So, another valid point you make is that I don't really know if all the improvements I am realizing right now are from being wheat-free specifically or from being grain-free including wheat. At least I know the improvements are not from changes in carb levels. If you put any creedence in Dr Davis's real world experience with his 1,000s of patients, at least some of the benefits are brought about by being wheat-free. Anyway, I only made one change,... no grains (including wheat). That was about all I needed to do to follow the guidance in the book. Well, there is some other stuff in there about the health problems caused by cured meat, overcooked meat, etc., and I am cutting back on that kind of thing. Walmart actually carries uncured sausage and a few other nitrite/nitrate free meats. Seems like nitrites/nitrates are evil. See http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/08/22/the-dangers-of-nitrites-the-foods-they-are-found-in-and-why-you-want-to-avoid-them.htm I'm also trying to wean myself from charred steaks,.. I'm asking for "medium" now. The book explains about how overcooked meat has some effects on aging. I'm so old now I can't afford to age any faster!! that was a joke |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/19/11 at 07:41:28 My none wheat free belly is 30 inches. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 07:59:01 73787D7D2726110 wrote:
Diameter or circumference? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/19/11 at 08:00:24 Cir |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 12:58:07 Here's another fellow who describes the fraud being perpetrated on the public by what he refers to as bad science and big business. Check out his credentials,..He's no dummy. The points he makes are generally the same as Dr Davis's: Whole-grain anything is a fraud, sustained by mega-business and the USDA. I don't think he is in cahoots with Davis; his points don't sound like they are from the same talking paper. They arrive at the same conclusions, though. Our obesity epidemic is a result of the whole grain fraud. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vr-c8GeT34[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/11 at 13:15:50 Whole grain may play a role, but look to MSG, Vaccines, hormones in food, GMO & aspartame for other obesity causers. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 13:25:45 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
Whole grain (especially wheat) plays a major role, but I do agree with you on the rest of that. I don't have the time to fire up crusades for "the rest of that," I'm quite busy with just pursuing the new info on wheat! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/11 at 19:40:35 Here's a post from a Dr Zabrodski: I looked at my long term obese, diabetic patient yesterday, and stared in disbelief at her recent lab. One of the first to pick up the book in August at my urging. Lab is NORMAL. No cane! Stopped the meds. Will need the extra cash for new clothes! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 05:13:18 Here's a milestone. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/Wheatbellynewbeltloop01.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/11 at 05:54:37 HA!,, You showed the buckle & the end with the holes but somehow managed to miss the part that handles the "equator",, Congrats on the losing the inches.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 05:56:30 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
oooh! Maybe I should uncrop that pic a bit, eh? Thanks for the congrats. I've reduced my 0-60 time about a second, so far. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/11 at 06:04:12 Im down to 152, from about 168, maybe 170, in about a month. Im on a NO diet. No chips & hot sauce, no pickles, heck, no vinegar, ( but I cheat a tad there) no potato, no fruit, basically,.No starches to make sugars, no sugars, no dairy, except a little goat yogurt,, Im craving stuff so bad, I eat, belly gets full,, my MOUTH is still hungry. That , I think , is a pretty good sign that there are things in me demanding to be fed. Yeast is a mean thing, It doesnt die quickly or easily & it can be devastating to ones life. For the curious, look up candida symptoms brain fog. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 06:14:38 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
Wow. You've lost more than I have. I'm down around 10 lbs,.. from 212 to 202 this morning. You have a special problem, it seems. One of the first things I noticed (after about 4 or 5 days maybe) was a decrease in appetite along with less of a desire to eat as much at one sitting. I had a yeast problem that drove me to Atkins 8 years ago. The Doc also had a list of other stuff besides carbs and sugar I had to avoid,... no fermented things, no yeasty stuff, soy sauce, fancy cheeses, etc. It took a few months, but finally the yeast problem went away. Hang in there. Are you off of wheat completely? At the risk of committing a multiple gun faux pas, where does one find yogurt made from little goats? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/11 at 06:41:17 Ive had no bread products of any sort in a month, NO wheat in anything I eat,.I am gonna get some short grain brown rice. That & sweet potato are the happy additions Ive learned I can have. I did eat one corn chip with the guacomole I make almost every day. I can eat avocado, & I made a batch that was just SOO good I had to see what it would be like if I could have some chips,,OHH Yea,, it was Good,. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 06:48:10 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
No wheat!!!! Yay! Also, it sounds as if other carbs you are eating will be chosen and consumed in such a manner as to not create blood sugar spikes, which would certainly be a bad thing when you are in such a battle with the yeast problem. Wheat is everywhere, though. It is hard to find any manufactured food that is completely wheatless. Guacamole is a wonderful thing, eh? What a great way to get your fruit dosage! I like it with diced tomatos, too. (more fruit) I eat the guacamole with chips made of cheese. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/20/11 at 07:02:24 I eat 6 slices of bread a day,#candy a week,donut every day,3-4 hamburgers a week,2-3 pizzas,7 cups of coffee with sugar and milk every day.Weights been 150-155 for the last 5 years. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 07:03:05 2A2124247E7F480 wrote:
and? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/20/11 at 07:04:33 Blood pressure normal,no heath problems.You do have to eat right if you want to stay heath. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/20/11 at 08:59:46 I wanna' be Bill when I grow up... ;)... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/11 at 10:17:34 Ahhh, that Bill! He lives a charmed life, just dumps some Klotz in his bike & it never needs anything else, shoves crap down his hut & stays healthy,, It must be nice! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 10:52:52 4D46434319182F0 wrote:
What does stay heath mean? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/20/11 at 11:04:19 Gyro you have never been thats why you don't know. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 11:40:39 313A3F3F6564530 wrote:
Well, your write abot that,I have never ben heath. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/20/11 at 14:51:09 And you never will be If you don't start eating wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 14:58:21 4C47424218192E0 wrote:
Exactly! If I stop eating wheat I might be heath (whatever that means). Yet another reason to stay off the stuff. Thanks for the additional motivation. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 14:59:56 Apparently the book is in such demand, they are translating it into different languages,.. French and Spanish so far. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Starlifter on 11/20/11 at 16:54:52 I want real science, real risks, real data. Not hyperbole and nonsense. I'm wondering what kind of kick-back your getting on being a shill for the book sales of this nonsense. Come on, tell us what's the connection?....and why does the book have such a stupid name? what the hell is a "wheat belly"? *************************************************** This from Evolutionary Psychiatry, article by Emily Deans, M.D. a psychiatrist in Massachusetts searching for evolutionary solutions to the general and mental health problems of the 21st century. Here is her review of the book: Despite a time crunch, I did manage to squeeze in Wheat Belly over the weekend (most of it), and read the rest last night. No, I don't like it. No, I don't eat wheat as a rule, and I am not a grain industry shill. But I don't feel I have to put my name out in support of a shoddy, sloppy book just because the overall message "wheat sux" agrees with my thoughts that wheat gluten and other wheat proteins likely are inflammatory in many people and cause problems for more than just those with celiac disease. I think most physicians and researchers with critical thinking skills will find this book useless and full of hyperbole. For those not taken in by the confident tone, it may do more harm than good. Why don't I like Wheat Belly? In short, it is the carelessness and simplicity of the message. Hyperbole and poorly supported, confident claims. Obesity and chronic illness is a complicated subject. It doesn't come down to wheat. Wheat isn't responsible (entirely) for "moobs" or the other too-cute phrases Dr. Davis churns out ad nauseum throughout the book. An example? In chapter 4, Dr. Davis spends a bit of time discussing the evidence linking wheat to schizophrenia and addiction. I've discussed this issue at some length and noted the obvious circumstantiality of the evidence and the need for more research. (see Wheat and Schizophrenia and Wheat and Serious Mental Illness). And while Dr. Dohan (who was the major researcher who championed the wheat causes schizophrenia meme) felt he had evidence that schizophrenia has increased incidence in wheat-eating populations, most modern schizophrenia researchers make note that schizophrenia is pretty consistent in incidence across many populations - around 1%-1.3% incidence, in the developing world and in the Western world, in rice eating Chinese areas and the wheat-eating American Midwest. Dr. Davis says: "while it seems unlikely that wheat exposure caused schizophrenia in the first place, the observations of Dr. Dohan and others suggest that wheat is associated with measurable worsening of symptoms." I don't get that quote at all. Is the incidence of schizophrenia higher in non-wheat eating countries or not? Do exorphins cause psychotic symptoms or not? Schizophrenia, after all, is defined by the symptoms. Something that "worsens" schizophrenia will cause schizophrenia, a symptomatically defined illness, as I've discussed earlier in my posts on cannabis. But where I find the book to be critically annoying is in the discussion of addiction and opiates. Wheat, as we know, has break-down components that are exorphins, which activate the opiate receptors in the brain and nervous system (the same receptors that are activated by our natural endorphins, opium, morphine, heroin, percocet, and other opiate painkillers). The opiate pathway is part of the reward pathway in the brain, and is actually activated by anything "rewarding" - such as sex, exercise, drugs, gambling, and rock and roll. Where I agree with Dr. Davis is that I have seen clinical evidence that some people seem to be "addicted" to wheat. Particularly night bread binge-eaters. They talk about bread much like one of my opiate addict patients would talk about oxycontin. They can't stop eating it even after they are full, and even when they desperately want to lose weight. They will leave their cozy house and pick up crackers, pretzels, fast food with fluffy bread, or a fresh loaf to eat at night. Critically, in certain cases (where more evidence-based methods have been tried), I've managed to stop these cravings and binge behaviors with naltrexone, which blocks the opiate receptors and short-circuits reward. The problem is, ALL reward is mediated through opiate and dopamine, so using naltrexone doesn't tell you that you've blocked specific wheat exorphins - maybe the person has a real jones for fresh steaming lovely bread for simple reward sake - like some people love chocolate, Pringles, or cocaine. It's a good message, though, and something that should be researched. But then Dr. Davis comes up with this sentence (and also states he has seen the withdrawal and "brain fog" from wheat in "thousands of people"then later "I've personally witnessed hundreds of people…"), which is incredibly jarring and ruins the credibility of the message: "Let's pretend you're an inner-city heroin addict. You get knifed during a drug deal gone sour and get carted to the nearest trauma emergency room. Because you're high on heroin, you kick and scream at the ER staff trying to help you. So these nice people strap you down and inject you with a drug called naloxone, and you are instantly not high." Naloxone (and it's orally administered cousin, naltrexone), is an opiate blocker, or "opiate antagonist." It will immediately knock opiates off the opiate receptor and put someone high on opiates into instant withdrawal. This is not only extremely unpleasant, it tends to make people very agitated, unhappy, and even violent. If you have to do it to save someone's life, you do it. If someone is overdosing on opiates and loses the chemical signal to breathe, it will be lifesaving. If someone is alert and active and still high on heroin, injecting someone with naloxone would be a galactically stupid thing to do, particularly if you were just injured in a knife fight and needed some painkilling. Injecting someone with naloxone will mean that the strong painkillers will not work in someone who will have a high tolerance to hospital painkillers. Any emergency room physician, nurse, or doctor with a shred of ER experiecne will read that sentence in "Wheat Belly" and go, "huh? What is this guy talking about, and is he galactically stupid?" Honestly, I think it is a throwaway line that was carelessly written and carelessly published. And other "paleo" books like "The Vegetarian Myth" are full of lines like that. But you know what, I have a much higher standard for a cardiologist than I do for a non-scientist like Lierre Keith. I want real science, real risks, real data. Not hyperbole and nonsense. So no, I don't recommend Wheat Belly (Nor am I saying that Dr. Davis is stupid - far from it - just careless in his phrasing. If you are going to take on Conventional Wisdom of Healthy Whole Wheat, you really have to "bring it." It was not brought.) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/11 at 17:19:52 795E4B5846434C5E4F582A0 wrote:
Nice try. So you found one "expert" who says she doesn't disagree, but doesn't like the way he presented it. She says he was "just careless in his phrasing." Okay. I wonder what she would say about all the improvements that have happened to me in the past 7 weeks,... improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains. Your statement, "I'm wondering what kind of kick-back your getting on being a shill for the book sales of this nonsense. Come on, tell us what's the connection?....and why does the book have such a stupid name? what the hell is a "wheat belly"? is laughable. Surely you don't believe that statement. I'll just assume you are tossing it out to the rest of us for comedic effect. One of your main problems, and the reason your comments here have so little credibility, is that you refuse to read the book. How can any of us take you seriously when you simply spew the same wheat-lobby hype without knowing at all what the Wheat Belly book is about? I agree the name sounds stupid. I wish he would have used something that didn't sound so goofy. But, that's the name, and that's that. The term "wheat belly" refers to what happens to wheat eaters when they start putting on weight. It is a shape of the abdomen that occurs when visceral fat (fat surrounding and invading the internal organs) starts to grow. The visceral fat is something in addition to just the plain old fat that is laid on the body all over,... thighs, spare tire, man-tits, triple chin, etc. The visceral fat is especially unhealthy because not only is it fat, it is fat that is damaging vital internal organs. When the shape of each organ starts to swell and make the front of the abdomen abnormally protrude, you have "wheat belly." So, that's what wheat belly means. If you would have read just the first few pages of the book, you'd know that. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/21/11 at 02:12:56 Gyro you simply feel better because you have lost weight,Most over weight people who lose weight will feel better even if its just in their head. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/21/11 at 04:02:24 "improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains." This is the Atkins diet, which will cause you to loose weight, which will make you feel better. Why don't you go back to eating "other grains", but not wheat, and see what happens? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 04:02:43 2C27222278794E0 wrote:
I feel better, but I wasn't trying to lose weight. I wasn't overweight, anyway, you crotchety old man. I didn't care about losing weight,... I was fine averaging around 210 on my 6'3" bod. The results I have experienced have been surprises. I'm talking about no more headaches, less tinnitus, less bruising, gentle regularity, joint pain gone, no more allegra, more stamina/energy, appetite diminished, get full so much sooner, heartburn gone, no more melatonin since I can fall asleep easily now, no caffeine required anymore, blood pressure lower,... AND losing enough belly so far I am having to punch new holes in my size 38 belts! I would call this quite a bit more than "feeling better." Plus, I didn't know what was going to be happening,.. each of these things was a pleasant surprise. A lot of them kind of snuck up on me and it took me a while to realize the good news. Sorry billiam, wrong again. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 04:03:35 6962626B6768697372060 wrote:
I could do that as an experiment, but it would be tough because it is hard to stay low-carb while eating grainy stuff. Maybe someday I'll try that, but things are going so well now. There are so many ways to have muffins/cookies/pancakes/pies/this/that that have no grains, I just want to see how far this goes. Last night I made a batch of muffins and couple of trays of chocolate chip cookies. Yummy. All low carb. Not a grain anywhere. What the Doc discovered is that while wheat is especially bad, other grains are bad as well. They are all crops that did not show up until about 10,000 years ago. It is no coincidence that shortly thereafter, human lifespan decreased for a while, diabetes/arthritis/heart disease/etc. became more and more prevalent. We are still not genetically adapted to grains. Not only that, the way they adulterated wheat made things way worse. I'm going to stay grain free for at least another few months and see what happens. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/21/11 at 04:07:42 Sorry Gyro- I don' know how this post was attributed to you. I got that weird error thingy when I posted it though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 04:14:55 3C37373E323D3C2627530 wrote:
np |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/21/11 at 04:53:23 615F5449444944260 wrote:
I could do that as an experiment, but it would be tough because it is hard to stay low-carb while eating grainy stuff. Maybe someday I'll try that, but things are going so well now. There are so many ways to have muffins/cookies/pancakes/pies/this/that that have no grains, I just want to see how far this goes. Last night I made a batch of muffins and couple of trays of chocolate chip cookies. Yummy. All low carb. Not a grain anywhere. What the Doc discovered is that while wheat is especially bad, other grains are bad as well. They are all crops that did not show up until about 10,000 years ago. It is no coincidence that shortly thereafter, human lifespan decreased for a while, diabetes/arthritis/heart disease/etc. became more and more prevalent. We are still not genetically adapted to grains. Not only that, the way they adulterated wheat made things way worse. I'm going to stay grain free for at least another few months and see what happens.[/quote] C'mon Gyro- the glove is down. Put up or shut up. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/21/11 at 05:08:48 Gyro if wheat really bothers you,You probably have a disorder of the smaller intestine,I would have that checked if I was you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 06:41:51 252E2B2B7170470 wrote:
Billovich, you need to do a little more homework |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/21/11 at 18:31:39 Gyro after reading a couple of your condescending remarks on the last two pages I think you need to STFU. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/11 at 18:56:04 http://www.13.waisays.com/constipation.htm |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 19:14:40 604752415F5A55475641330 wrote:
Oh, Star!,... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/21/11 at 19:17:54 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
Wow. this lines up pretty well with what the good Dr. says, eh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 11/21/11 at 19:21:21 "Oh, Star!" Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about wise guy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 11/22/11 at 02:42:34 I've been lurking on and off this thread since the very beginning, and can't even remember if I did write my own two lines in page 2 or 3 or 4... What got me to write this entry is the content of the last few pages, which could be summarized as follows: 0739322F222F22400 wrote:
I could do that as an experiment, but it would be tough because it is hard to stay low-carb while eating grainy stuff. Maybe someday I'll try that, but things are going so well now. There are so many ways to have muffins/cookies/pancakes/pies/this/that that have no grains, I just want to see how far this goes. Last night I made a batch of muffins and couple of trays of chocolate chip cookies. Yummy. All low carb. Not a grain anywhere. What the Doc discovered is that while wheat is especially bad, other grains are bad as well. They are all crops that did not show up until about 10,000 years ago. It is no coincidence that shortly thereafter, human lifespan decreased for a while, diabetes/arthritis/heart disease/etc. became more and more prevalent. [/quote] A few thoughts here, from one who lives on the other side of the ocean, in another continent, with just as much, if not more, social and cultural diversity than one could expect to find in the USA. Not to mention a good 5000 years of documented history. 1) Atkins diet is fundamentally protein, protein, protein, right? With some fruit and vegetables ... This is nothing new, this is quite simply the "Germanic/Scandinavian hunter/gatherer diet that went on for hundreds of thousands of years, because it was far too cold to cultivate and crops would freeze in the winter... not to mention not enough farmland as Northern Europe (i.e. anywhere north of the Alps and west of the Rhein) was once covered by vast vast forests. 2) "Wheat is baaad for you...meat is better" This is the typical line from one who belongs to a society (civilization?) which has little experience=>culture into wheat crops, including barley, kamut, rice, and whatever other grain which can be ground to make flour. Just as fire was istrumental to improve cave man's quality of life, the discovery of pottery was instrumental into teaching him to cook - boil and bake. Nowhere have I read in this Forum that roast meat is far less healthy that boiled meat; yet boiled meat is cooked at a much lower temperature, no charring occurs, and you can easily separate the fat from the meat. Similarly, baking means you can prepare foods for future use - and milled flour is right where it's at. The fundamental problem is that modern society - Western society - and US society much more than European society - have gained such levels of quality of life and "wellness" that often just climbing a few flights of stairs is seen as a nuinsance; where's the elevator? Walk a block to buy milk? for Pete's sake, hurry up and drive the car! and so on... The ultimate "wisdom" (or fad?) in high-tech, industrialized society is a questionable "return to my origins" and consumption of "healthier" foods - regardless the fact that the original recipes which inspire the modern lookalikes would sometmies appear unacceptable to the modern urbanite. Muffins and cupcakes without a single grain in them? For heaven's sake, Gyrobob, what did you make those cakes with, "alternative no-gluten instant mix"? :-? What could ever be in that satchet? ::) If I want to give my son an apple, it'll be an apple, not a "imitation no-skin seedless bio-grown natural apple supplement replacement" :-X Similarly, any other food. I do not believe in the finger fish or stick fish (which will give fish fingers or fish sticks) and milk does NOT come from a carton, it comes from a COW. Cheese is not something "fancy", quite simply "processed milk" according to techniques and traditions which go as far back as the invention of the milk churn. Let's simply admit that not all Peoples will process cheese in the same way. Ask any Spaniard, Frenchman or Italian "what is cheese?" and it'll be like asking a Hawaiian "what is fish?", simply too many varieties to provide ONE answer. On the other hand, the Far East does NOT even contemplate the very idea of cheese, they drink milk and that's it, period. Nobody ever made cheese. I had a Korean colleague who was shocked to discover there are more varieties of cheese than just "cheeseburger slices", that's all he had ever seen in Korea... Investigating the eating habits or culture of the author of "Wheat Belly", I wouldn't be surprised to discover an unusually scarce variety of recipes, which are then implanted into the book. The author is certainly entitled to his/her opinion, but that doesn't mean that 10thousand+ years of agricultural culture in the Mediterranean were "wrong all along". Quite the opposite. Wheat-eating Mediterraneans have given the world philosophy, engineering, medicine, and the fine arts. Agriculture requires PEACE. Meat eating Germanics and Scandinavians birthed Barbarian hordes and Viking pillagers. To eat meat one must go hunting, regardless of who owns the land. So eat whatever you like, but let's not get too excited about "my meat is healthier than your bread" before this becomes another War of the Worlds. :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 03:26:31 4D6A7F6C7277786A7B6C1E0 wrote:
Now, now,... If you keep this up, you're going to put a strain on our relationship. :-* |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 04:42:20 mpescatori, you have some good observations, but a few misunderstandings. "Atkins diet is fundamentally protein, protein, protein, right? With some fruit and vegetables ..." Wrong. The Atkins diet, which does have a lot in common with Dr. Davis's guidance, can have a lot of protein, but that is not its focus. -- The main thrust of low-carbing is to get back to what our bodies were designed to eat, and, therefore, to get back to the body burning fat for energy rather than carbs. High-carb = burn carbs & store fat. Low carbs = burn fat. -- We are still not genetically aligned with crops, especially grains. Our genes are set up for meat/fish/fowl and green leafy stuff, with some fruits/nuts/etc as well. Not grains. With Atkins and Wheat Belly, you aren't trying to hog down a lot of protein, but it is not avoided. "Wheat is baaad for you...meat is better" This is the typical line from one who belongs to a society (civilization?) which has little experience=>culture into wheat crops, including barley, kamut, rice, and whatever other grain which can be ground to make flour." We have way more experience with wheat crops, unfortunately. -- This country is guilty for a lot of the wheat damage prevalent around the world because of our economic might, and manufacturing "advances." There is so much money to be made peddling wheat, we keep making it more and more productive and forcing the results on the money-laden public regardless of how much harm it does. -- If the USDA would apply the same standards to wheat that they do to all the other substances they meddle with, wheat would never be sold here. The problem is that wheat is so well entrenched, and most of the really harmful mods were done so long ago (50, 60, 70 years ago), it just ignores the situation,... in fact the f**king USDA makes things waaaayyy worse by supporting the wheat industry and foisting its f**king food triangle on us. "Nowhere have I read in this Forum that roast meat is far less healthy that boiled meat; yet boiled meat is cooked at a much lower temperature, no charring occurs, and you can easily separate the fat from the meat. Similarly, baking means you can prepare foods for future use - and milled flour is right where it's at." This forum is hardly a comprehensive reference for Wheat Belly concepts. Read the book, however, and you'll see it in there. -- Separating the meat from the fat is not harmful, I guess, but we are designed to eat fat. If you are properly restricting the carbs, fat is a good thing. If you are abusing the carbs (eating a lot of grainy crap), fat gets stored,.. a bad thing. -- You can prepare food for future use by baking all kinds of things that have no wheat or other grains at all. Using milled flour just ruins the effort. "Muffins and cupcakes without a single grain in them? For heaven's sake, Gyrobob, what did you make those cakes with, "alternative no-gluten instant mix"? What could ever be in that satchet?" What a zany statement! Yes, muffins and cupcakes and pancakes and pie crust and bread and wraps and granola and cookies etc./etc./etc with not a single grain. Quite doable and eminently more healthy. And tasty too. Just because we have been doing it harmfully for so long does not mean we must continue doing it harmfully. I don't understand what you mean about alternative no-gluten instant mix. If you ever read the book, you'd see many comments about how bad the current gluten-free products are. "If I want to give my son an apple, it'll be an apple, not a "imitation no-skin seedless bio-grown natural apple supplement replacement" :-X Who on earth would ever give his kid something like that?!! If you read the book, you'd see lots of favorable statements about fruit. Yes, you must have fruit in reasonable quantities because lots of it has a lots of carbs. I have a serving or two of fruit every day. One of the huge benefits of being wheat-free, though, is that your appetite goes down so much you just don't feel like eating large quantities of anything, fruit included. "Investigating the eating habits or culture of the author of "Wheat Belly", I wouldn't be surprised to discover an unusually scarce variety of recipes, which are then implanted into the book." Read the book and you'll see how baseless and inaccurate this statement is. Given the adult rationality inherent in most of your posts, I am surprised to see you make a statement like this. How can you say the book has an unusually scarce variety of recipes when you have never seen the book? "The author is certainly entitled to his/her opinion, but that doesn't mean that 10thousand+ years of agricultural culture in the Mediterranean were "wrong all along". Quite the opposite." Wrong again. We HAVE been wrong all along. This is the very discovery that is so earth-shattering, so to speak. -- This is not opinion. He is not presenting assertions in his book. He presents results of robust studies conducted by 100s of researchers over many decades. -- We HAVE been doing it wrong for 10,000 years. Agriculture as we do it, the worst of which is wheat, is causing the problem. -- Arthritis, heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other ills, became widespread about 9,000 years ago,.. a little after we discovered the "joys" of agriculture and its worst product, wheat. Seriously, you need to read the book before you make any more baseless statements. For decades, I felt the same way you did. When I first heard of these ideas, I scoffed too. Then I spent a week or two researching this stuff and gradually I realized most of what the wheat-lobby and its constituents profess is WRONG. I decided to give it a try. I am my own experiment. I am even a special experiment of sorts, because I have been a low-carber for several years. -- Therefore I am an experiment in changing just one thing: no grains, which for the most part means no wheat. My transition is from low-carbs with grains to low-carb sans grains,... with wheat being the worst of the grains. -- The benefits to me over the last 7 weeks have been many, varied, and impressive. I won't repeat them here because I have presented them several times so far in this thread. Anyway, thanks for the post, but to give credibility to any future statements, you need an understanding of the wheat-free concepts,.. not just a lurking exposure to a hodge-podge of conflicting statements you see in this thread. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 05:34:53 "Muffins and cookies without a grain in them" You still didn't answer the question. What did you use? I, too, would like to know how to make all the bakery items you listed without using flour. If you're using flour not made from grains, (which does exist...ie; google "flour"), where can it be had? I have not seen any in our local grocery stores. Bob, please understand, this is merely a question, not a comment meant to induce the usual name calling and near-fisticuffs debate, which seems to happen all too often when you and I interact. Just a simple answer, not a sarcastic, double meaning snide remark. OK? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/22/11 at 05:35:15 I want to make chocolate chip cookies without the wheat,what do i use in place of the flour. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 05:53:14 3E282F37296B5A0 wrote:
Typically, the desired ingredients for baked goods use nut flour of some sort made from almonds or walnuts, etc. These things are quite commonly available at Walmart and other grocery outlets, as well as a a zillion sources online. A common brand is "Bob's Red Mill." Please understand (and if you'll have a look at my previous posts you'll see) there is no initial sarcasm of any sort. That kind of thing just detracts from the issue. When the posts are adult in nature, everything stays nice. When they are not, I try to tone them down to "nice." Did you see anything objectionable in my response to mpescatori? Let's just stick to the Wheat Belly discussion, eh? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 05:56:44 787376762C2D1A0 wrote:
Here is a chocolate chip recipe I used a few nights ago. Yummy. They are half gone already. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/10/chocolate-chip-cookies/ Where it says ground almonds, he means almond flour. I use Bob's Red Mill brand almond meal/flour I buy at Walmart. Walmart also carries Hershey's Dark Chocolate Sugar-free Chocolate Chips which lowers the carb count even more. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/11 at 06:01:19 79474C515C515C3E0 wrote:
Here is a chocolate chip recipe I used a few nights ago. Yummy. They are half gone already. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/10/chocolate-chip-cookies/ Where it says ground almonds, he means almond flour. I use Bob's Red Mill brand almond meal/flour I buy at Walmart. Walmart also carries Hershey's Sugar-free Dark Chocolate Chocolate Chips which lowers the carb count even more. [/quote] Where it says ground almonds, he means almond flour. I use Bob's Red Mill brand almond meal/flour I buy at Walmart. Market demands have increased the options at the stores. The makers of quality products have more venues to sell thru now. Organics & such stuff that Bobs produces are not so hard to find any more. Thats good news! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/22/11 at 06:07:06 I read where ground oats is used,I will try it just to see how it taste. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 06:08:05 536D667B767B76140 wrote:
Now, now,... If you keep this up, you're going to put a strain on our relationship. :-*[/quote] By God, you're right Bob, no sarcasm at all. I give up..... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 06:45:34 4F4441411B1A2D0 wrote:
Ground oats is not much of an improvement. It's just another grain,.. not as bad as wheat, I'll admit, but still high carb. If you want to put grainy crap in your body, just use any of the other "flours" like quinoa flour, rice flour, etc. You won't be getting any grain-free improvements, though. You might as well use wheat flour, since you are such a wheaty guy anyway. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 06:48:22 504641594705340 wrote:
Now, now,... If you keep this up, you're going to put a strain on our relationship. :-*[/quote] By God, you're right Bob, no sarcasm at all. I give up..... [/quote] This is good news. You understand I am, in fact, right,.. although I'm not sure you truly understand the diff between irreverence and sarcasm. That you are giving up on this line of posting is a good thing as well. I look forward to more issue-based posts from you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 07:47:52 Irreverance?.....you must mean irreverence....and yes, I do know the difference between that and sarcasm. Apparently you don't, as the quote from you that I posted, clearly shows a bit of both. irreverence ([ch618][ch712]r[ch603]v[ch601]r[ch601]ns, [ch618][ch712]r[ch603]vr[ch601]ns) — n 1. lack of due respect or veneration; disrespect 2. a disrespectful remark or act sarcasm ([ch712]s[ch593][ch720]kæz[ch601]m) — n 1. mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult 2. the use or tone of such language ;) Now, back to wheat..... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 08:47:32 3620273F2163520 wrote:
Generally speaking, irreverence is more a kidding kind of thing, while sarcasm has a tone of nastiness to it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 08:55:30 "Generally speaking, irreverence is more of a kidding kind of thing....." Not by definition it isn't. I don't know about you, but I don't consider disrespecting someone as "kidding". And from what I was reading, and knowing the history, I don't think it was intended as such. But then, it is your thread, so I suppose you're allowed to "make up" your own rules, so as to not be one-upped. ;) Now, back to wheat..... I'm off to purchase some Bob's Red Mill flour, and bake some cookies. Would you like a cookie, Bob? :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 09:08:25 drums, are you familiar with the cliche, "pot calling the kettle black" ?? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/22/11 at 09:08:50 OK after by work out at the YMCA,I stopped a Wal Mart,That one flour stuff cost $10 for a little bag,All there no wheat stuff is 3=4 times higher than any thing else,I guess I'll stick with my wheat food. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 09:11:13 Yes Bob, I've heard the phrase, but please explain your reference. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 09:12:10 5741465E4002330 wrote:
Your erroneous interpretations notwithstanding, irreverence, as a means of kidding someone, is what is intended. Your pit-bullish attention to spelling, literal definitions, etc., leans more towards the intent of sarcasm. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 09:13:40 2335322A3476470 wrote:
The reference is pointing out spelling errors when you have several spelling and punctuation errors in your own posts. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 09:17:59 Holy sh!t, Bill, $10 a small bag? Shoot, I think I'll just buy some Chips Ahoy and call it a day. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 09:20:49 Show me those errors, Bob, and I shall promptly correct them. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/11 at 09:49:52 If that stuff is that pricey at W/Maet, go hunting a health food store.. gotta be a better deal. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 09:57:09 5345425A4406370 wrote:
Yes, at Walmart and the major stores it is expensive. Way more than flour. I'm researching cheaper sources. Bob of Bob's Red Mill must be doing better than okay! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 09:58:01 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
Around here (metro ATL) the health food stores are even worse. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 10:02:51 382E29312F6D5C0 wrote:
I can relate to your feelings about that,... I am a stickler as well. I just don't feel like doing a search on all your past posts (or mine as a defensive matter) and proofreading them, so let's just let it go for now. You and I both construct better sentences than average, and spell better than average, but neither of us are perfect in either regard. I'll tolerate your 97% editorial accuracy if you will tolerate mine. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/22/11 at 10:14:00 Sounds like a deal. Truce? :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 13:09:47 5244435B4507360 wrote:
Bueno!,.. compadre |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/22/11 at 14:06:09 0C3239242924294B0 wrote:
Yes, at Walmart and the major stores it is expensive. Way more than flour. I'm researching cheaper sources. Bob of Bob's Red Mill must be doing better than okay![/quote] He would be except for the kickbacks he is paying the author of "wheat belly". ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/22/11 at 14:30:08 2B202029252A2B3130440 wrote:
Yes, at Walmart and the major stores it is expensive. Way more than flour. I'm researching cheaper sources. Bob of Bob's Red Mill must be doing better than okay![/quote] He would be except for the kickbacks he is paying the author of "wheat belly". ;D ;D[/quote] Clever!! Cute!! Loaded with whimsy!! I'd imagine Dr Davis is doing pretty well too,... the bookstores can't keep it in stock, and they are having to print some more books as well as getting it translated into other languages. I'll bet he didn't think it would do THIS well. While no one can ever be sure about the kickbacks, Dr Davis does recommend to the folks on his FB page and his blog that they invest in a food processor or coffee grinder or something to make their own nut-based substitutes for flour. -- Apparently the hard part is getting the basic material ground down enough to act like flour without turning it into nut butter. --- Almonds, supposedly, are fairly easy to do and they are pretty cheap, especially compared to Bob's Red Mill almond meal. --- Walnuts are more oily though, so they tend to get gooey as they are ground up. Some folks grind em up some, spread the chunks out on a cookie sheet, bake for a while to roast them and dry them, then continue grinding them into flour. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/22/11 at 15:53:58 023C372A272A27450 wrote:
Bueno!,.. compadre[/quote] Two farts in a windstorm... ... did I spell that right?.... :-?.... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/22/11 at 16:06:31 Yep that |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 11/23/11 at 00:57:57 Check out Bulkfoods.com. They carry an assortment of items. I imagine that buckwheat is ok because it isn't actually wheat, a berry I believe. How does the book rate Quinoa, Millet, Oats, Barley, Amaranth etc etc? There are many bulk suppliers online... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 05:58:28 103532343423393B2E686A6B6B5A0 wrote:
I called bulkfoods. They do have lots and lots of stuff, but no ground almonds or ground walnuts or ground any-kinda nuts. So,.. I guess we could buy a ton of the nuts, and buy a grinder, and make our own flour/meal. An interesting source! The other flour-substitutes you mentioned only have a small advantage over wheat in that they all are high-carb items that would result in a blood-sugar spike. Yes, they are better than wheat, but only because today's wheat is so damaging. In the book, and in all the research I've been doing, the only flour substitutes suitable for baking are some sort of ground up (pulverized) nuts. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 11/23/11 at 06:34:45 Hello Gyrobob, for starters I'm glad you and Drums have declared a truce. With the two of you getting into an epistular quarrel, what would be other Forum members gain... a dizzy bongo? :D OK, back to business... Flour made from almonds is NOT flour, it is ground almonds. Please verify the nutritional value of wheat flour and almonds (by 100g, by the oz., whatever) and you will see you CANNOT use nuts for grains, anymore you can substitute a baked potato with a baked apple... When I made my comment on "apple vs. bio-grown seedless no-skin fruit replacement etc." I was making a little fun of a dangerous fad which is taking on in the US (and Northern Europe), that of seeking out replacement ingredients nuder the assumption they "must certainly be better". An example is a "Expert Dietician's" suggestion I read in a magazine ni the hotel during my last stay in the US: "Cut down on fats! Replace your salad oil with a dash of spray cooking oil on your salad, you'll get a lot fewer fats and your salad will taste great!" :P U G H !!! :-X For starters, I am sorry most bottled salad dressings have that staple ingredient, XANTHAM GUM, to make it gooey and slow to pour... :-? Salad dressing thick as glue ? :-/ I will use this as an example http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wishbone-Italian-Robusto-Salad-Dressing-16-fl-oz/10535925 OK, never mind that no Italian worth his moustache would ever EVER use soybean oil anywhere but in his diesel tractor... ;) But why the need for... xantham gum, high fructose corn syrup and... water ? and then add GUM to make it thicker? ::) What's wrong with olive oil and wine vinegar? :-/ Taste a little olive oil, pure, just a teaspoon, it'll taste like... olives. Now taste soybean oil, or rapeseed oil, or...spray cooking spray in your mouth :-X What do they taste like ? Any taste at all? Or just an oily, messy sensation? Mouthwash, anyone? This is not to make fun of anybody or anything, it's about traditions, customs and habits, which in one word can be summarized as "local culture". Mind you, nobody can say "I have more culture than you", it's like two desert stragglers quarreling on who gets more sunlight... ;) So when I said "Dr.Davis' culinary habits may be limited in variety" I meant exactly that. I have not read "Wheat Belly" because it is not marketed in Italy (never mind the translation...) but I am not sure it would be well accepted. It would be like telling you all "beef is bad, eat lamb" on whatever grounds... To sustani that the human digestive system is not geared for grains and wheats is... arguable. In school we are taught that Man is an omnivore, not a carnivore, not a herbivore, but an omnivore. Hence, McDonal;ds have made zillions of dollars putting dr.Davis' favorite beef patty in a wheat bun. ::) Well, the Ancient Greeks, Romans, and before them the Ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese have been eating starches (wheat, rice, whatever) and sustaining their populations off grains. There is no way any civilization could have sustained a population of millions on a meat-rich diet. The Aztecs and Mayas had such a system and soccumbed to famine. The Incas developed farming and ... survive to this day, albeit as the underproletariat of "hispanic" populations in S.America's Pacific Coast. The "Food Pyramid" was not thought up after an evening drinking beer and throwing darts in a London Pub... or Boston for that matter. The Food Pyramid is about a sustainable diet in a generic nation with a minimum of 5% population dedicated to agriculture (which includes raising livestock) and concentrates on a diet which is balanced ni minerals, salt, has reasonably low cholesterol and favors fresh fruit or a home-made sandwich to a packaged snack. I had promised many of you my home-made recipes, and some even wrote or PM'd and reminded me "please". I'm sorry I never got back to you, It's been a horrendous last few months. As they say in Wales, "I'll do it when I get a Round Tuit" http://www.twenty-tenners.com/wp-content/uploads/wpstorecart/aroundtuit.jpg :o :D OK, now that I've got my Round Tuit I'll get cracking on a few dishes :) Entertain yourselves with some solid British humoUr in the meantime ;) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJnynLq8Lo[/media] PS Any news from Sir Nick Rowe ? :-/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 07:19:35 "Flour made from almonds is NOT flour, it is ground almonds." Exactly! This is what we want. Using ground-up nuts as a substitute for flour enables us to avoid all the harmful effects of wheat and other harmful grains, and yet enjoy our baked goods like the chocolate chip cookies I made a few nights ago. We are not genetically engineeried to eat grains. "....you CANNOT use nuts for grains, anymore you can substitute a baked potato with a baked apple..." Yes you can, and you should. This way you don't have to subject your body to grains. I would never substitute a baked potato for a baked apple. I wouldn't eat more than a little of either one anyway, since both give quite a blood sugar spike. "Cut down on fats! Replace your salad oil with a dash of spray cooking oil on your salad, you'll get a lot fewer fats and your salad will taste great!" U G H !!! " I agree!!! Sounds really yucky, and would get a negative comment or two from Dr. Davis. "What's wrong with olive oil and wine vinegar?" Nothing. Sounds fine to me, and I would guess, to Dr. Davis. "Now taste soybean oil, or rapeseed oil, or...spray cooking spray in your mouth. What do they taste like ? Any taste at all? Or just an oily, messy sensation? Mouthwash, anyone?" Agree completely, and these oils are all strongly disapproved of in the book. "To sustani that the human digestive system is not geared for grains and wheats is... arguable." Not at all. It is simple evolutionary science. -- It takes hundreds of thousands of years to change our genetic makeup. The 10,000 years since agriculture (and wheat) appeared is but a moment in the evolutionary context. We are not designed to eat wheat. That's not an opinion. -- Yes, we are omnivores,... omnivores not optimized for consumption of wheat. We are designed to eat meat/fish/fowl, leafy green stuff, nuts, and some fruits. Not grains. Grains did not show up until yesterday, genetically speaking. When grains became common is when arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc., also became common. -- A coincidence? I think not. "Well, the Ancient Greeks, Romans, and before them the Ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese have been eating starches (wheat, rice, whatever) and sustaining their populations off grains." To their detriment. They survived in spite of agriculture, not because of it. "The "Food Pyramid" was not thought up after an evening drinking beer and throwing darts in a London Pub... or Boston for that matter." True. They had much less altruistic goals in mind. "The Food Pyramid is about a sustainable diet in a generic nation with a minimum of 5% population dedicated to agriculture (which includes raising livestock) and concentrates on a diet which is balanced ni minerals, salt, has reasonably low cholesterol and favors fresh fruit or a home-made sandwich to a packaged snack." Yes, a very faulty combination of "food." Many of your comments would not have been made had you read the book; you make a few points as a countering argument when the point is actually in agreement. I don't think you understand enough about the basic concept of the book to realistically counter the arguments you want to counter. You are obviously a very smart fellow. Your contributions would be much more to the point if you better understood the harmful effects of wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/23/11 at 08:33:16 Quote:
Right,... because we're not genetically engineered at all... .. a couple of conflicting points from Doc WB... The wheat we eat today, is not the wheat as the wheat that existed 50 or 100 years ago... .. yet, the grains that were eaten 5 or 10k years ago caused people to be sick and be less healthy or long lived than paleo men... .. but,.. in Russia, remnants of wheat and other grains have been found on grinding stones at paleo sites dating 30 to 50 k years ago... Paleo man ate grains... .. Paleo diets were different in different parts of the world... there is no "Paleo diet",... there is simply, the foods available in the region... .. the average lifespan of a Paleo man was likely around 30 years... yet, fossilized bones have shown arthritis... the idea that Paleo man didn't have diabetes, or colon cancer, or tinnitus, or migraines, is BS,.. how would we know?... fossilized MRI scans and BP monitors?... We're looking at bones here,.. fossilized bones... We don't know,.. and the great DR don't either... BS!... Right up there with creationist science... There are "scientific studies" that prove the world only 5,000 years old, and we lived with dinosaurs, too... I wouldn't bet my life, or health on them... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/23/11 at 08:46:48 Dinosaurs died out because they didn't eat wheat,Man found out to survive they had to eat wheat,so here we are today. Palms 11 chapter 6. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 11/23/11 at 09:53:46 ... the average lifespan of a Paleo man was likely around 30 years... I must insist, the AVERAGE lifespan was 30... Meaning that for every baby that would die before the age of 12 months, a nother would live to see 60... Let's not mistake a statistic with a rule... ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/23/11 at 09:58:48 213C293F2F2D38233E254C0 wrote:
I sure enjoy seeing someone else see how that works.. Can you even guess what the infant mortality was? Ill bet it wasnt good. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/23/11 at 10:06:53 3A27322434362338253E570 wrote:
Perhaps I should have said,... the average adult, bone fossils that are found seem to be about 30... This type of evidence is not skewed by statistical averaging... or infant mortality... I've never heard of a 60 or 70 year old Paleo,.. they just didn't live that long... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 10:50:33 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
Semantics aside, do you feel our bods had not adapted, over hundreds of thousands of years, to the food most prevalent for that time period? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/23/11 at 11:15:57 427C776A676A67050 wrote:
Semantics aside, do you feel our bods had not adapted, over hundreds of thousands of years, to the food most prevalent for that time period?[/quote] Why aren't our bods adapting now? or are they? We have been eating wheat for thousands of years. Why all of a sudden is it bad for us? The genetic modifications to wheat? The basic composition is unchanged. It has only been made more resistant to disease and more hardy for a longer growing season. Now the crap they put in it ( and everything else) is something to be concerned about. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/23/11 at 11:20:27 Hunter/gatherer, is just a more glamorous way of saying scavenger... I think, early man ate most anything that was edible.. That would vary wildly based on on where in the world he was... ... but, the caloric balance is thought by experts to be, predominantly vegetable... 2 to 1 over meat... with fish entering in the later Paleo for some groups,.. and when available, it would also be of a larger portion than red meats... The point being,.. we would be genetically evolved to eat what's about... We're pretty versatile... But, besides that... where does this evidence come from, of long lived, cancer free, healthy, limber, cavemen?... This is not knowable with current science... We have bones... that's it... and the bones did show arthritis... That is fact... Wheatbelly and the other Paleo's are making up facts, using quack science, and creating myth... We can't currently find cause of death, in corpses that are found six months old... ...cause of death in mummy's 1,000 to 5,000 years old, are just speculation... but much more accurate than 30,000 year old fossils... I like history and science,... I just ain't buying this evidence... Some, elements of a lower carb diet might be healthy,.. but others not... That remains to be seen... long term... ... but the "Paleo" element of the theory, is nonsense... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/23/11 at 11:28:52 I wonder when it was that people developed the "Im not eatin that! Thats GROSS!" & in some places, a big juicy rat is a delicacy. Once upon a time, the bacon we now consider part of a good breakfast was considered crap. Madison avenue has impacted our lives to the core. By M. Avenue, I mean not just M. Ave. but the pressures that change attitudes in general. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 11/23/11 at 11:34:33 When the pilgrim landed upon the shore, he had to brush a way clear for all the lobsters roaming about. and they were considers crap too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/23/11 at 11:35:18 Quick question- What has sustained, and continues to sustain, this thread through 28 pages? Are we running around in circles yet? Is the horse dead? Another question- the stuff we feed cattle and horses now is way different than what they evolved to eat (grass) and yet they seem to be doing OK. Why? Another question- has Dr. Davis submitted his findings, in the form of a research paper, to the A.M.A, or any other health organization? If he is so concerned about our health why doesn't he donate the proceeds from his book to nutritional research? Surely he doesn't need the money to live on. The large amounts of money he is in the process of making could fund some real empirical research into the matter- not the anecdotal stuff he has come up with. IMHO this thread should be made a sticky, titled "Wheat Belly" so the people who want to continue to argue on it can have a special place that the rest can ignore. Yet another question- if we were suddenly banned from eating wheat and corn, would a planet containing 7 billion people not starve to death? If all the land now used to crow carbs was changed (where possible ) to sustaining meat production there would,t be enough land to sustain the current, or even half the current population. Good or bad we need carbs as a race. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 12:09:02 202B2B222E21203A3B4F0 wrote:
Semantics aside, do you feel our bods had not adapted, over hundreds of thousands of years, to the food most prevalent for that time period?[/quote] Why aren't our bods adapting now? or are they? We have been eating wheat for thousands of years. Why all of a sudden is it bad for us? The genetic modifications to wheat? The basic composition is unchanged. It has only been made more resistant to disease and more hardy for a longer growing season. Now the crap they put in it ( and everything else) is something to be concerned about.[/quote] Our bods take a lot longer than 10,000 years to change genetically. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 12:31:50 2D3B2C31293C312A5E0 wrote:
If you had read the book and checked out the hundreds of studies referenced, and/or done some research on your own, you'd see how untrue your statement is. Besides, he didn't start off with a cool idea for selling books and then find studies to support it, he is a cardiologist. He has had thousands of patients. Over time he discovered that when he used the "approved" diets as espoused by the wheat lobby and the USDA, his patients got worse and he had to rely on heavy-duty drugs to keep them alive longer. (big pharma is part of this fraud, btw) After researching it himself and listening to recommendations from other doctors who recognized the same whole-grain stupidity, he started changing how his patients should eat. After many years, he was able to keep them off the egregious drugs, and in many case make the heart disease actually go away. (same with diabetes) The fact that his patients now tend to get cured, rather than just survive a little longer (albeit with a terrible quality of life) through the use of the drugs is not quack science, it's what he does with real people. Anyway, it is unfortunate that some here regard this whole discussion as just a tawdry effort by me to promote some book. Hardly. I'm not trying to do anything other than present the info. This wheat-free thing REALLY works. It does! After researching it thoroughly, I felt it strongly enough that I decided to bet my health on it. I am actually healthier,... in all kinds of ways as I've mentioned in previous posts. I am at a loss to why there is so much resistance and argument here. Why the accusations of quack science? Why demean the guy who is on to something here that has saved a lot of lives, just in his practice? Why fight me over this? I can understand disinterest. But why are there so many nasty remarks about the good things this wheat-free thing allows? These aren't false claims. Good things actually do happen. I'm living proof. My bod is different than it was while on wheat. The daily pains and annoyances I had gotten used to over the past several decades, I had just come to accept as normal for a 64 year old guy. Lots of these pains and annoyances are GONE!! sorry about the rant |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/23/11 at 12:39:31 1D2328353835385A0 wrote:
Semantics aside, do you feel our bods had not adapted, over hundreds of thousands of years, to the food most prevalent for that time period?[/quote] Why aren't our bods adapting now? or are they? We have been eating wheat for thousands of years. Why all of a sudden is it bad for us? The genetic modifications to wheat? The basic composition is unchanged. It has only been made more resistant to disease and more hardy for a longer growing season. Now the crap they put in it ( and everything else) is something to be concerned about.[/quote] Our bods take a lot longer than 10,000 years to change genetically.[/quote] Nonsense- we are changing genetically much faster than that. what about regional differences in appearance? For example blonde haired blue eyed Scandinavians, or the different appearance of northern Italians to southern? Heck we created the domestic cow in what- 2000 years? 1500? Selective breeding or inter -breeding- we are changing faster than we ever have before. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 11/23/11 at 12:51:49 Our human body is a marvel,It adapts to what ever we eat,I don't eat vegetables and am healthy,Star is a vegetarian and he's healthy.The Japs eat fish and rice and they were healthy,My body has well adapted to wheat as has 99.9 of the people. Now write a book on why you shouldn't drink milk when your eating fish. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/23/11 at 12:54:08 "and in many case make the heart disease actually go away. (same with diabetes)" Sorry Gyro THERE IS NO CURE FOR DIABETES. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/23/11 at 13:33:34 Quote:
If you do all you research, from the evidence and references in one book,... you will come to the same conclusion as that book does... This is equivalent to faith based research... I'm looking at evidence from outside of Paleo diet science... Anthropology, archeology, medicine, and nutrition,... not the gospel of Wheatbelly... That's proper research... does his story match up to what is known?... No,.. it doesn't... I'm not knockin' you for what you choose to eat... just the theory that the Dr. is using to justify it... .. and other people should know, that it is wrong... then, they can decide to try it if they like... If you should try it,.. you should try to get 60% or more of your calorie intake from the vegetable side instead of the meats... That becomes a little difficult when you leave out staple carbs.... We don't have the four stomach compartments for it,... like cattle... We need our carbs... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/23/11 at 13:54:28 1A242F323F323F5D0 wrote:
If you had read the book and checked out the hundreds of studies referenced, and/or done some research on your own, you'd see how untrue your statement is. Besides, he didn't start off with a cool idea for selling books and then find studies to support it, he is a cardiologist. He has had thousands of patients. Over time he discovered that when he used the "approved" diets as espoused by the wheat lobby and the USDA, his patients got worse and he had to rely on heavy-duty drugs to keep them alive longer. (big pharma is part of this fraud, btw) After researching it himself and listening to recommendations from other doctors who recognized the same whole-grain stupidity, he started changing how his patients should eat. After many years, he was able to keep them off the egregious drugs, and in many case make the heart disease actually go away. (same with diabetes) The fact that his patients now tend to get cured, rather than just survive a little longer (albeit with a terrible quality of life) through the use of the drugs is not quack science, it's what he does with real people. Anyway, it is unfortunate that some here regard this whole discussion as just a tawdry effort by me to promote some book. Hardly. I'm not trying to do anything other than present the info. This wheat-free thing REALLY works. It does! After researching it thoroughly, I felt it strongly enough that I decided to bet my health on it. I am actually healthier,... in all kinds of ways as I've mentioned in previous posts. I am at a loss to why there is so much resistance and argument here. Why the accusations of quack science? Why demean the guy who is on to something here that has saved a lot of lives, just in his practice? Why fight me over this? I can understand disinterest. But why are there so many nasty remarks about the good things this wheat-free thing allows? These aren't false claims. Good things actually do happen. I'm living proof. My bod is different than it was while on wheat. The daily pains and annoyances I had gotten used to over the past several decades, I had just come to accept as normal for a 64 year old guy. Lots of these pains and annoyances are GONE!! sorry about the rant [/quote] You have a basic misconception Gyro. Dr Davis is singling out wheat as the bad guy, but it is the over-consumption of carbs that is the bad guy. You think no wheat has improved your health, and I won't argue that possibly it helped a bit, but the big improvement in your health is more due to the way you are eating in general. Don't forget, I went off JUST WHEAT for a month and it did me no good at all. How well would Dr. Davis's patients have done if he had made no changes to there diet other that saying "no wheat". What he did was recommend a healthy diet that contained no wheat and changes in lifestyle as well. (more exercise, and generally more activity.) Of course they improved. The main reason that people have been attacking you and the book is the zealousness of your presentation and the abrasiveness of your defense of the book. This may sound strange, but the fact that you post in a larger bold face font also annoys people, whether they realize it or not. It gives the (subliminal) impression that you feel that what you have to say is more important than what everyone else has to say. If it is any consolation I still am not eating as much wheat as I used to before I cut it out altogether, but along with that I have reduced my carb intake in general ( I still pig out on spaghetti, my absolute favorite food). |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Z on 11/23/11 at 14:51:20 +1 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 15:24:47 454E4E474B44455F5E2A0 wrote:
Dr Davis and his cohorts must be lying then. Darn. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 15:26:43 636868616D626379780C0 wrote:
If you had read the book and checked out the hundreds of studies referenced, and/or done some research on your own, you'd see how untrue your statement is. Besides, he didn't start off with a cool idea for selling books and then find studies to support it, he is a cardiologist. He has had thousands of patients. Over time he discovered that when he used the "approved" diets as espoused by the wheat lobby and the USDA, his patients got worse and he had to rely on heavy-duty drugs to keep them alive longer. (big pharma is part of this fraud, btw) After researching it himself and listening to recommendations from other doctors who recognized the same whole-grain stupidity, he started changing how his patients should eat. After many years, he was able to keep them off the egregious drugs, and in many case make the heart disease actually go away. (same with diabetes) The fact that his patients now tend to get cured, rather than just survive a little longer (albeit with a terrible quality of life) through the use of the drugs is not quack science, it's what he does with real people. Anyway, it is unfortunate that some here regard this whole discussion as just a tawdry effort by me to promote some book. Hardly. I'm not trying to do anything other than present the info. This wheat-free thing REALLY works. It does! After researching it thoroughly, I felt it strongly enough that I decided to bet my health on it. I am actually healthier,... in all kinds of ways as I've mentioned in previous posts. I am at a loss to why there is so much resistance and argument here. Why the accusations of quack science? Why demean the guy who is on to something here that has saved a lot of lives, just in his practice? Why fight me over this? I can understand disinterest. But why are there so many nasty remarks about the good things this wheat-free thing allows? These aren't false claims. Good things actually do happen. I'm living proof. My bod is different than it was while on wheat. The daily pains and annoyances I had gotten used to over the past several decades, I had just come to accept as normal for a 64 year old guy. Lots of these pains and annoyances are GONE!! sorry about the rant [/quote] You have a basic misconception Gyro. Dr Davis is singling out wheat as the bad guy, but it is the over-consumption of carbs that is the bad guy. You think no wheat has improved your health, and I won't argue that possibly it helped a bit, but the big improvement in your health is more due to the way you are eating in general. Don't forget, I went off JUST WHEAT for a month and it did me no good at all. How well would Dr. Davis's patients have done if he had made no changes to there diet other that saying "no wheat". What he did was recommend a healthy diet that contained no wheat and changes in lifestyle as well. (more exercise, and generally more activity.) Of course they improved. The main reason that people have been attacking you and the book is the zealousness of your presentation and the abrasiveness of your defense of the book. This may sound strange, but the fact that you post in a larger bold face font also annoys people, whether they realize it or not. It gives the (subliminal) impression that you feel that what you have to say is more important than what everyone else has to say. If it is any consolation I still am not eating as much wheat as I used to before I cut it out altogether, but along with that I have reduced my carb intake in general ( I still pig out on spaghetti, my absolute favorite food).[/quote] You are just another one of the misinformed, spouting off about the fallacies in the book, without ever having read the book. If you had read the book, or at least verified some of the research, your remarks might have some credibility. You have also missed some of my main points, some of which I made directly to you! This statement shows what I mean: "You think no wheat has improved your health, and I won't argue that possibly it helped a bit, but the big improvement in your health is more due to the way you are eating in general." The big improvement is due to no wheat. That is the only change I made. I changed almost nothing about "the way I am eating in general." Just grains. I went from low-carb including grains (mainly wheat) to low-carb without grains (mainly wheat). No other changes. I guess you forgot about me telling you that. Let me restate it. All the improvements I have noted so far are due to not having wheat (or other grains) anymore. Everything else,... diet, exercise, carb levels,.. are the same. Also, what you did about not eating wheat had very little to do with Dr Davis's accomplishments. If you were to tell him what you did, he would say that was interesting, but had very little chance of success. You and he both note that low-carbing is essential. If all you do is cut out wheat, but replace it with huge carbs from other grains, you will not realize much of an improvement. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/11 at 15:43:42 "If you do all you research, from the evidence and references in one book,... you will come to the same conclusion as that book does...This is equivalent to faith based research... " Very true. That is why I did several evening's worth of my own research. I not only fleshed out the references in the book, all of which were valid, I found another 30 or so of my own. I was very sceptical when I started this. As I researched it more and more, it became obvious that the Doc is on to something here. "We need our carbs..." We sure do. We need healthy carbs from veggies, fruits, and nuts,... and we need them in low enough levels so the body burns fat for energy instead of carbs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/24/11 at 03:44:10 Happy Turkey Day, one and all! :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 11/24/11 at 03:51:35 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 11/24/11 at 06:44:58 Besides, he didn't start off with a cool idea for selling books and then find studies to support it, he is a cardiologist. He has had thousands of patients. Any medical doctor, any researcher would resent such a statement and immediately argument it. Where is his database of patients? Wisconsin? So, Wisconsin is good enough to represent ALL of the USA, ALL of your hemisphere, ALL of the planet? Any California, Florida, Alaskan or New England medical practitioner would immediately argue with that. Not to mention anybody anywhere else in the world. I have watched Dr.Davis' video on Youtube and the FIRST thing he says is "modern wheat [in the USA] is genetically modified and is not the same as our grandparents ate many years ago". THAT line has been understated all along. Other than that, suggesting to use ground almonds instead of wheat flour, or even flaxseed... For heaven's sake, in Europe we use linseed as a PAINT stabilizer, and he wants us to EAT it? :P I don't care if flaxseed is theoretically edible, so are cats and goldfish, and even processed cow dung is theoretically edible, but I pass all of the above. Happy Thanksgiving to you all, eat your WHEAT biscuits and your CORN bread and your pumpkin pie with a proper crust and enjoy it all !!! :) Parting shot: in a science fiction book of his, biologist and SciFi author Isaac Asimov observed that the human body requires three generations to adapt to a new environment, in his case, a 2++G superplanet where the original settlers required artificial transportation and their grandchildren would happily trot about. Now... Isaac Asimov was a BIOLOGIST and taught in University... he's got to be credible... ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/24/11 at 08:08:35 3F2237213133263D203B520 wrote:
You are archetypical proof that paradigms can indeed overrule facts and logic anytime. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Starlifter on 11/28/11 at 10:38:35 "You are just another one of the misinformed, spouting off about the fallacies in the book, without ever having read the book." Why would you expect anyone to read this book and accept it as truth when you read sciencetific data presentrd to you and dismiss it all as lies? "You are archetypical proof that paradigms can indeed overrule facts and logic anytime." What a perfect example of yourself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 11/28/11 at 19:13:59 0C3239242924294B0 wrote:
I know you are ,.. but what am I?... ;D... ... and PS,.. the big font thing is asinine,... it does nothing for your argument, and uses up desk space... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 11/28/11 at 20:00:48 7F697E637B6E63780C0 wrote:
I know you are ,.. but what am I?... ;D... ... and PS,.. the big font thing is asinine,... it does nothing for your argument, and uses up desk space... [/quote] Kinda like thingy envy... shows how really little he is. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/28/11 at 21:28:35 657661607F7274767D22130 wrote:
I know you are ,.. but what am I?... ;D... ... and PS,.. the big font thing is asinine,... it does nothing for your argument, and uses up desk space... [/quote] Kinda like thingy envy... shows how really little he is.[/quote] Are you guys really all that bothered about me using larger characters so I can see through the cataracts and reading glasses, etc.? If so, why? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 11/28/11 at 21:40:04 Here's a little "puter tip" from JOG... Control and + on your keyboard, and you'll be able to read everyone's comments, instead of just your own... Accessibility settings in your 'puter will magnify your entire screen,... and settings in the "view' menu of your browser will magnify all your browser viewing... Your cataracts are no longer any excuse for being rude... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1322401586 So, you can only read your own posts?... it all makes sense now.... Really?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/11 at 06:41:25 I know all that. I was just wondering what the reason is for some of you being so bent about someone using larger characters. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/11 at 08:33:45 I have no prob with the font by Bob.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/29/11 at 09:59:12 ::) (no comment) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Starlifter on 11/29/11 at 17:40:46 "Are you guys really all that bothered about me using larger characters so I can see through the cataracts and reading glasses, etc.?" Well then you can only read your own big font posts. How do you read everyone elses posts? ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by drums1 on 11/29/11 at 18:13:46 Windows magnifier? I'm kinda more wondering how he rides a motorcycle with cataracts? (My dad had them and was almost blind) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 11/29/11 at 18:17:45 my mom had them, they can remove the cataract and insert a new lens. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/11 at 18:28:32 321500130D0807150413610 wrote:
I squint. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/11 at 18:29:47 4D5B5C445A18290 wrote:
I didn't realize there were any motorcycles with cataracts. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/11 at 18:33:46 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
That operation is in my future. I just have to decide when, and select the lens -- I have to choose whether I want to be nearsighted or farsighted. Either way I'll always need glasses; either for distant vision (like I do now), or to see like an eagle far away, but require reading glasses for up close (and for reading these tiny-lettered posts!!!) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/30/11 at 08:48:08 I promised myself that I wouldn't post on this thread again, but since it's current direction has nothing to do with diet, I will chime in: I have had the cataract surgery done to both eyes. Before the first one I was quite apprehensive and after I couldn't wait to get the other done. Get the lenses that allow you to see distance without glasses. That way you don't have to worry about prescription sunglasses, or driving glasses, and you can see where your going without any glasses. I bought some +1.5 diopter glasses for the computer, and some + 2.5 for reading at the local drug store for $35 each. I do very small work on cameras, and use clip-on magnifiers for the really close stuff. Also there are two levels of quality in terms of the lenses they put in. Get the good ones. They are silicone based. The brand name of mine is AMO (Advanced Medical Optics) model # Z9002. Worth every penny. Hope this helps with your decision. BTW another big benefit of the surgery is colour perception. As you no doubt know the original equipment lenses we came with actually yellow over time, but slowly enough that it is not noticed. I went to an art gallery that I had been to many times before over my adult life and was completely blown away by the colours of familiar paintings. PM me if you need any other info or just want to talk about it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/30/11 at 09:00:49 My mother had that none 30 years ago,I didn't know they did that any more,I though it was all lazier surgery now.I know people with the lazier surgery and are happy with it. I think you can get it done for less than $2000 for both eyes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 11/30/11 at 09:35:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go82c4f1emc Cataracts, which is the "fogging" of the lens calls for lens removal and replacement. The new procedure involves inserting a lance into the eye to the side of the cornea, then emulsifying the lens with high frequency sonics, sucking the old lens out, and inserting the new lens through a tube. the new lens unfolds in the lens sack. The incision is very small, and you have use of the eye in 24 hrs, and complete recovery in less than a week. Laser surgery is to correct near or far sightedness and astigmatism. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by drums1 on 11/30/11 at 10:21:50 417F7469646964060 wrote:
I didn't realize there were any motorcycles with cataracts. ;)[/quote] Ummm, to rephrase my previous statement, I wonder how he rides a motorcycle safely, while being debilitated with cataracts. My dad had cataracts in both eyes. He told me that before his surgery to repair them, everything he was looking at was cloudy and blurry. I would consider that a safety issue, while riding a motorcycle. I suppose, if one stretched his imagination, a corrosion induced clouded headlight lens could be considered a form of motorcycle cataract. Replacing the clouded lens would certainly correct this affliction. :o ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 11/30/11 at 10:47:49 To tie this back to the original thought, there is a relationship between wheat and cataracts. Eating wheat causes lots of blood sugar spikes. These large doses of blood sugar do all kinds of bad things (like diabetes), one of which is glycation,.. the bonding of a sugar molecule to a protein or lipid. One of these clumps is called an advanced glycation end product, or AGE. These AGEs end up in some very important places, doing serious and irreversible damage over time. I'm talkin' places like joints, kidneys, arteries, brains, and,... you guessed it,... eye tissue (lenses, retina, lacrimal glands). So, if I would have known about wheat forty years ago, I might not have cataracts now; or at least they might have been held off a little longer. For those of you who are younger than I,.. ::) ... if the concept of cataracts bothers you, you might think about what wheat, and its AGEs, are doing to you. This is from a study done by A.W. Stitt in 2001, "Advanced Glycation: an Important Pathological Event in Diabetic and Age-Related Ocular Disease" |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 11/30/11 at 10:56:12 ;)[/quote] Ummm, to rephrase my previous statement, I wonder how he rides a motorcycle safely, while being debilitated with cataracts. My dad had cataracts in both eyes. He told me that before his surgery to repair them, everything he was looking at was cloudy and blurry. I would consider that a safety issue, while riding a motorcycle. I suppose, if one stretched his imagination, a corrosion induced clouded headlight lens could be considered a form of motorcycle cataract. Replacing the clouded lens would certainly correct this affliction. :o ;D [/quote] One doesn't go from perfect vision to blind over night. The onset is quite gradual. Right now he has 95% normal vision in the right eye, and about 90% in the left. In daylight, there is no prob at all. At night, the left eye looks like he is using glasses that might need cleaning. Quite acceptable, but a little annoying. If cutting out wheat stops this process (the situation gets no worse), he might not ever have the operation. He'll report next year after the next eye exam. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by splash07 on 11/30/11 at 11:21:21 pelicans can develop cataracts. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 11/30/11 at 12:36:55 must be from eating wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 11/30/11 at 12:51:20 60637F72607B2324130 wrote:
I have seen a few pelicans wearing glasses now I know why. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 11/30/11 at 13:26:39 747F7A7A2021160 wrote:
I have seen a few pelicans wearing glasses now I know why.[/quote] http://optimaltraining.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/01/vlasic_pelican.gif By George it makes SENSE now!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 12/01/11 at 02:56:49 I thought that to be a seagull... or a cormoran... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/01/11 at 07:31:54 Wheat lobbyist (WL) to wheat marketer (WM), WL, "We have a big problem." WM, "What kind of problem?" WL, "A heart healthy slice of whole wheat bread raises blood sugar higher than a Snickers bar." WM, "So what's the problem?" WL, "People might start to believe wheat is not healthful." WM, "Hmmm, that's a big problem. Wheat contains fiber doesn't it?" WL, "Yes. Where are you going with this?" WM, "Fiber lowers blood sugar." WL, "So?" WM, "This why you don't have a career in marketing." WL, "Huh?" WM, "Tell them wheat has fiber. It lowers blood sugar, so wheat is healthful." WL, "But wheat raises blood sugar higher than a candy bar." WM, "And you are an idiot." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/03/11 at 11:21:37 More evidence: http://www.gnolls.org/2052/how-heart-healthy-whole-grains-make-us-fat/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 12/03/11 at 12:14:58 I get my needed blood sugar from wheat and candy bars,Keeps me healthy and slim. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/03/11 at 18:08:50 Oh Bill,.. I'll bet if you went to an owser party, you'd chant, "Bankers are good, Bankers are good, ... " |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/03/11 at 18:13:28 Over the past few weeks I've made/eaten an apple pie, two pumpking pies, chocolate chip cookies, plain cookies, a few loaves of bread, pancakes, hot cereal, muffins, and brownies. Plus, of course all the normal stuff healthy people eat: meat, fish, veggies, fowl, fruit, etc. All wheat/grain free. Still losing weight. So much for the complaint about not having anything to eat! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/03/11 at 23:10:53 Im down 18 pounds! Ive had no grain, little dairy, for , I think around 6 or 7 weeks. Im down to 150.. I have room to lose more. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/04/11 at 06:47:48 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
Extremely impressive!!! Have you experienced any of those other benefits I've been blabbing about? You might stroll over to the FB Wheat Belly page and post a sentence about how it's working for you. They love that kind of thing. I'm only down about 10 pounds. I'm not concerned about it not being more for three reasons... -- I started off at 212 lbs on a 6'3" frame. Only a little heavier than I want to be. Eventually I'll get below 200. I just want to see a "1" in the hundreds column. Haven't been there since my 20s. -- The waist is still getting thinner, which is exactly the way it is explained in the book. It is from loss of visceral fat, the really unhealthy stuff that surrounds and invades internal organs. -- I wasn't after weight loss, primarily, in the first place. I was after all the other stuff that has come about already. No headaches, limber joints, easy sleep, more energy, skin clearer, no heartburn, lower blood pressure, etc., etc., etc. Glad to hear of this. A lot. Yay. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/04/11 at 08:23:34 No,, my reason for the battle is to defeat candida, in hopes my head will stop feeling so foggy. My energy level is somewhat better, but that just means I have a few hours a day when I dont feel liike I am hauling a fat slob on my shoulders. I still struggloe to find energy,, I feel disconnected, Im hoping that will change, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/04/11 at 15:35:22 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
My blood yeast problem was cured eventually back in 2003 when the Doc put me on no sugar, low carb, no fermented stuff, minimal salt, minimal manufactured food, etc. Sorta like Atkins, but with more restrictions. It took a few months for the yeast problem to be controlled, but it finally did work. I wish the Doc and I would have known about wheat back then too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/05/11 at 07:07:08 Did you feel lost, separated from the world? Foggy in the head? Tired? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/05/11 at 07:59:38 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
Only when I read bill67's posts. jk I felt that way some, but when I began low-carbing in 2003, it gradually went away. There was no dramatic change, much like the nicer feeling in my joints -- more "rubbery" and much less pain. The improvements happened so slowly it was hard to recognize. It is not easily quantified like diabetes numbers or pounds lost. When I achieved a wheat-free-me, I got all those benefits I have been listing here much more quickly. Relatively speaking, I do feel less foggy than before,.. because I have more energy and more of an ability to focus. For example, I can make up a to do list now, and actually attack it and get things done. A few months ago, I suppose I could have done that, but it didn't happen much. I spent more time dawdling on the internet, or couch potato-ing. Chin up!! Pip Pip!! Hang in there! What have you got to lose? You are healthier now than you were before, lost a lot of weight, and have a suspicion that your brain-fog is likely to diminish over time. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/05/11 at 08:10:33 Chin up!! Pip Pip!! Hang in there! What have you got to lose? You are healthier now than you were before, lost a lot of weight, and have a suspicion that your brain-fog is likely to diminish over time. It started almost 6 years ago, Ive seen times I was unable to get off the couch, but I am some better,, & hope for the future keeps me hanging on. OHH the cravings! Craving carbs tells me I am starving something out, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/05/11 at 08:46:33 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
The cravings are supposed to go away pretty quickly. This makes me suspect that you really do have a lot of things happening due to the yeast issues. How would I know, though? Do you have any idea as to what happened 6 years ago that caused the problem? With me, the Doc told me it was from the life-long after-effects of being drowned in anti-biotics when I was 2 and 3 years old as part of a since-disproven treatment for polio. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/08/11 at 17:50:10 On the Wheat Belly Facebook page over the last several days, a few more diabetics have shown up saying their Doc took them off of their meds because they appear to have no more problem with pancreas, insulin, blood sugar, etc. They hesitate to use the word "cured" but if you are off the meds, it seems nearly as good. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/11 at 18:53:25 http://www.whale.to/a/cure_word.html short excerpt Dr Kelly cured his pancreatic cancer with enzymes. Sadly, enzymes of that purity & potency are no longer available, He was told he had a few months to live when they diagnosed him. They told his wife he had a few weeks. Being the smart man he was, he figured out a cure, & helped others, before Big Pharma destroyed the good sources,, "Medicine in our country has been on a crusade over the last 100 years to wipe out every other form of medicine. One of the things they did that was unique was they lobbied to make words legal only for them to use. Today in the US, only a medical doctor can diagnose a disease, prescribe something, and cure you. Nobody else can say "diagnose", "prescribe" and "cure". That means that nobody can cure you but a medical doctor….I can’t say "Chaparral is the cure for a tumour". I can’t say garlic is the cure for cholestrol or high blood pressure. They have made the laws. So that makes me look stupid, impotent, and it makes the herbs look weak and wimpy. I can’t as a herbalist, say that an herb will cure, even though a lot of prescription drugs are made from herbs. This was a tactic by organised medicine to wipe out the opposition, by making them look silly and impotent…they have the words…they control the high ground. They can walk out and say, "Yes, if you take this drug, you will cure yourself." But they hired lawyers and got the government behind them. If I say that I go to jail. It isn’t because the herbs don’t work and the drugs are better, it’s just because they have more money, they lobbied more and got the law passed in their favour. That is why people get this idea that herbs don’t cure you."—Dr Shulze. "The only accepted legal medical diagnosis of cancer is by biopsy. This is not 100% accurate, for there are false positives as well as false negative biopsies. We, that is you and I, are not permitted to make a diagnosis of cancer. Nor are we permitted by law to use any system of diagnosis except biopsy for cancer diagnosis. The Medical Establishment tightly controls the diagnosis of cancer."--Dr Kelley DDS |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/09/11 at 12:42:01 JOG, I came across this item in Wikipedia in the xylitol entry: Candida yeast: A recent report suggests consumption of xylitol may help control oral infections of Candida yeast; in contrast, galactose, glucose, and sucrose may increase proliferation. The reference is: 33.^ Abu-Elteen, Khaled H. The influence of dietary carbohydrates on in vitro adherence of four Candida species to human buccal epithelial cells. Microbial Ecology in Health and Disease (2005), 17(3), 156-162 |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/09/11 at 12:53:48 Thanks, but the visible symptoms dont exist. IF thats the problem ( It mite be Lymes) its the worst kind, its gone in & is attacking the organs & brain. Note the capital IF, I have no obvious outward signs/symptoms any more. I thot I had won that fight when the athletes foot problems went away. Im leaning toward candida as the problem, because I had a Lymes test a couple of years before I had the 2 weeks of feeling like myself again, then, something slowly started taking me down, & today SUX,, darn, my head is spinnng, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/13/11 at 08:17:24 Ever heard of the orexin system? It's a small cluster of neurons in the hypothalamus that secrete a neuropeptide, orexin. Gobbledeegook, you say? Well, I'll admit, it sure sounds like it. But!,..There are some new findings from some scientists at the University of Cambridge. Orexin regulates all kinds of mental properties, from sleepiness to hunger. Blood Sugar reduces orexin levels. Low orexin levels cause sleepiness, lethargy, reduced metabolism. Protein increases orexin levels. High levels of orexin increase wakefullness, sensed energy (a need for locomotor activity, as they put it), and metabolism. To summarize, eating high-carb foods reduces orexin which lessens metabolism and stores fat. Eating high-protein, low-carb foods increases orexin which increases metabolism and burns fat. Wheat, wheat-based products, and grains are high-carb, low protein substances. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/11 at 10:15:37 After these weeks of diet change I am disappointed,. Energy levels still suck, mental acuity still not up to par. Still disjointed & weak, takes me days to accomplish a few hours worth of work, not feeling too hopeful, but not gonna stop the diet. I know theres no future in that. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/13/11 at 12:32:26 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
Two comments: -- Since you've mentioned losing a lot of weight (12 lbs?) so far, being a wheat-free-me is having an effect. I am surprised, though, that you are not reaping any of the other benefits like I did, and like the thousands of other folks on chiming in on the Wheat Belly FB page. -- You did mention you've got some other problems (related to yeast), like I did. Since you have had your bod on a wheat diet for several decades, it will take a while to undo all that living-with-wheat adjustment your bod has made, especially with the yeast complications. When I first transitioned to low-carb, I lost some weight within the first several weeks, but it took a lot longer for the yeast issue to get stable, and mostly cured. I can only hope for you that if you stick to it, eating basic food like meat/fowl/fish/veggies/fruit/nuts/etc., no grains, no sugar,... that eventually things will get back to a healthier normal. That is what I would expect, anyway. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/11 at 14:18:15 Yea, GB,, Im not giving up, Im just disappointed that Ive seen no diminishing of the symptoms. Im not giving up on it. Im still hoping, I know its gonna be a while to see complete recovery, Ive just been expecting to see some improvement, Ill just keep on keeping on,. Im not about to go back. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Starlifter on 12/13/11 at 18:15:13 "Protein increases orexin levels." Yes, that's why as a vegetarian I eat a lot of beans and rice...a complete protein....phffft, (pardon my gas.) :o |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/13/11 at 20:34:44 5F786D7E60656A78697E0C0 wrote:
Ah. You are a vegetarian. That clears things up a bit. How much wheat do you eat? Are a Vegan? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/11 at 21:37:12 & I just cooked a big pot O pinto beans & good sized bunch O rice tonite. I have broccoli & sweet potatoes to cook tomorrow & a T-bone in the fridge. Gonna eat like a king from a Southern State tomorrow.. & fart like a heathen all nite, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/14/11 at 05:22:12 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
The beans, rice, and sweet potatoes will negate a lot of the benefits you hope to realize from being wheat free. The carb count in that menu is substantial. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/11 at 18:00:17 Its on the Candida diet, tho. All complex carbs, no simple sugars. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/14/11 at 21:42:48 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
I realize that, but much of the effectiveness of the wheat belly schtick is from low carbing,... keeping a moderately low and consistent blood sugar level. (That low and moderate level, combined with the lack of any grains, seems to be having a wonderful effect on diabetics, BTW. Some prediabetics have been taken off their meds altogether.) I'm surprised your Doc has you consuming so many carbs. Mine told me just the opposite for my yeast situation. He said it was important to keep the blood sugar level as steady as possible (and somewhat low) to give the bod a change to adjust and reorient itself to burning fat for energy and and not using blood sugar for anything else but that. He said excessive and spikey carb levels kept the yeast "fed" so to speak. To prevent that, it was necessary to keep blood sugar low and stable. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/11 at 22:49:38 Well,, MAYBE thats got somethng to do with my being less than thrilled with results. I dont have a Dr guiding me, Im just trying to do it. I dont have many things I can eat, & I think, based on what you just said, Im not doing it right anyway,, I dont eat regular. I go too long between meals, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/15/11 at 05:53:34 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
One of the things that happened to me, and this is common once you get off wheat (and any other grains), is that hunger pangs just go away. -- I never get ravenously hungry anymore. Hell,.. I don't get hungry anymore at all,.. not like I used to, anyway. -- If my current wife weren't here to pester me about when/where/what we are going to eat, I'd be skipping meals and not even realizing it. -- I know this because a few times when she was gone for several hours, that's what happened. I just didn't eat. The Wheat Belly guy, a cardiologist, explains this diminished appetite is from the lack of substances in wheat that trigger appetite. -- The chemistry is boring and complicated, but there are a chain of events that take place everytime you stuff some wheat in your bod, the essence of which is an increase in appetite. -- Lack of food for more than a few hours results in hunger pangs,.. artificially created urges to stuff one's face. -- Without wheat (and without other blood-sugar-spiking food) you eat when you see it is time to eat,.. not when your guts are screaming at you to stuff more donuts/pretzels/yeast rolls/cereal/pancakes/oatmeal/hoagies/etc. into your abused bod. It is good to eat regularly, but with the removal of the addictive urges caused by wheat, it is easy to find yourself skipping meals altogether. I suppose it would be healthiest to have three or four light meals a day,.. eating healthy stuff like: -- meat/fowl/fish/veggies/fruit/nuts/etc., -- no grains, no sugar,.. -- very little in the way of manufactured food, especially "gluten-free" crap. I suspect your lack of results really is due to they way you have been negating the some of the benefits of being wheat free by eating other high-carb stuff,.. grains and otherwise. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 12/15/11 at 07:03:40 Hey Gyrobob, you should do a "Phase 2" where you re-introduce wheat foods and see if any symptoms come back. :D I recently did some handyman work for a neighbor, and he brought me some Belgian wheat beer. So I thought WTH, it would be impolite not to drink it. Also, I was craving carbs at the time and HAD to have me some potatoes, dammit! So along with the wheat beer I ate a hamburger (with the bun) and a big ol' pile of tater tots. Something in all that is definitely a "comfort food." I felt REALLY full, fat & happy. Luckily I didn't crave more 2 hours later or suffer any wheat-sensitive maladies like skin rash or dementia (though some would dispute that). I slept better that I have in quite a while. None of that bolting awake, unable to go back to sleep. I realize that my little experiment is tainted by cutting the carbs in general, not just wheat. So I can't point to any specific benefits and say the lack of wheat did it. But like Justin, I do find the overall diet worthwhile and will continue with it. Well, once my wheat beer is gone. The main effect has been consistency of energy. Good energy all day, despite being a caffeine junkie. Almost as much energy at night, which makes for light sleep, not the deep sleep others report. Some weight loss. Fewer headaches in the morning, which I used to get after a long sleep. I don't have a scale so I don't know how much weight I lost, but it definitely is some. There's less paunchy muffin-top around the midsection. When I am riding and get into some choppy stuff, my belly has quit taking little "flights of its own" if you know what I mean. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/15/11 at 09:01:27 I missed this discussion, mainly due to the title not cluing me into what it was about. Let me relate my story: About 15 years ago, one of my law partners had a father in Cleveland who weighed well in excess of 350. He had been a college football player, and as such, had horrible knees. When he went to a surgeon for knee replacement surgery, the doc refused to operate on him because of his weight makinjg surgery too dangerous for what is not a life threatening condition. So they sent him to Cleveland Clinic, which at the time was doing a protein sparing fast for morbidly obese people. You basically ate nothing but protein so you didn't lose muscle while your body was starved of carbos, and hence, he lost over 100 pounds. Surprise, his knees were tolerable then and he didn't have the surgery. He stayed on the maintenance part of the diet for about 5 more years, kept the weight down, then dropped dead of a heart attack at about age 60, about 5 years ago. In about 1998 I took a cue from this diet, got the protocol from my partner, and did it too. I lost about 30 pounds, and ate cheeseburgers without the bun, steak, my it was tasty. In 2004 I had 2 stents put in my heart, and on the heart table my total cholesterol was 280. I was age 57 at the time. Dr. Atkins died from a fall that hit his head on the sidewalk. At his autopsy, it was found that he had severe coronary artery disease - in essence, a time bomb waiting to have a heart attack. My diet now is more conventional, and I try to eat as little fat and other cholesterol enhancing foods as practical. So, before you try any of these high protein, low carb diets, get with your doc, have a coronary workup to see where you are presently, and check your cholesterol every 6 months. Get a yearly nuclear stress test if your doc recommends it. Weight loss fads come and go, but the basic chemistry and physics don't change - calories consumed in excess of what is burned are stored as fat. To see how many calories will sustain your present body weight, simply multiply your weight times 12. So if you weigh 200, an intake of 2400 calories daily will keep you there. More, and you gain; fewer and you lose. Lastly, there are 3500 calories in a pound of human body fat. So for every pound you want to lose, you need to sacrifice 3500 calories over the time in which you want to lose the weight. So if your goal is to go down 5 pounds a month, which is a healthy rate of loss, every month you need to take in 17,500 fewer calories than the number of calories needed to sustain your present weight. In this example, your daily caloric intake has to decline almost 600 calories a day to lose that 5 pounds in a month. Maybe this helps explain why weight loss is so difficult. Of course, increasing calorie burn rate thru increased exercise will help. But not by much. A 200 pound man burns about 200 calories per mile by walking, and only slightly more by jogging. So you have to walk 17.5 miles to burn off one pound of fat. Intense exercise, like truly running or fast bicycling burns more, but how many of us older people can exercise that hard on a consistent basis? Darn few. Healthy weight loss is a long term proposition |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/15/11 at 11:10:47 Jerry, you are wrong about Atkins having heart disease. He did have cardiomyopathy, which he had contracted from a virus several years before his accidental death. It had nothing to do with low-carbing. His cardiovascular system was very healthy. I'm also surprised at you parroting the worn out old ideas about low fat and low cholesterol,.. calories out/calories in,.. total cholesterol, etc. The new research,.. the new findings on how harmful wheat is to the human body dispels all those old ideas. The guy that started this wheat belly thing is a cardiologist that learned all these lessons the hard way -- with actual patients dying from the worn out old ideas. When the light finally came on for him, he bucked the system, put his patients on a wheat-free diet adjusted to keep blood sugar levels low and consistent, and his patient survival rate went way up. If you'd read the book, you'd understand. You dismiss it as another fad diet, which is quite understandable these days. Before you so casually dismiss it as one of those fad diets, you might want to find out a little more about it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/11 at 12:21:22 IDK if it has anything to do with the diet, IDK even when it went away, but I had a ganglion cyst on a tendon in my hand that hurt when I carried a 5 gallon bucket.. I cant find it now, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/15/11 at 12:31:51 Gyro - I've read more diet books over the years than I can recall. I thoroughly believe that humans, while designed to eat meat and plant foods, evolved more to the plant based diet side than the meat side. I wish Dr. Harverys would chime in. I've always understood that our dentitia and jaw structures are meant more for grinding plant foods than tearing meat. That's why we don't have large incisors ( fang teeth ) like cats, dogs, and other animals that were bred from pure meat eaters, and the large cats like tigers, and wolves that are pure meat eaters. We have large molars to grind, rather than pronounced teeth to tear. I do know from personal experience that my weight, while about 20 pounds over the ideal, has remained stable by counting calories. However, my life style is sedentary - an office job where I sit on my can all day. Back in my college days, when I was an athlete, and later when I worked as a construction laborer in the summers, I could eat all of anything without gaining, but I was also burning thousands of calories a day then. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 12/15/11 at 13:53:14 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
JOG did you check in the bucket. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/15/11 at 13:57:15 4D424E444F4249454255404255270 wrote:
You can disagree, but those of us that understand these new concepts know that you are disagreeing because of a lack of understanding. Please read the book. If you would, you'd see it is not a diet book. Diet books are a dime a dozen. They are just vehicles for the authors to make a buck. They consist of a pile of assertions, most of which have no factual basis. This wheat belly (stupid name, I know) thing is something this cardiologist has found out with life and death situations based on his practice with real people. Then he backs it up with robust research. The last 16 pages of the book are nothing but concrete references to the research done by other experts in cardiology, psychiatry, nutrition, etc. I am a confirmed skeptic about EVERYTHING. -- When I first heard about this, I thought the same thing as you. Bul**hit!! How can that be?? The world literally lives on wheat. This is a no brainer,... just another fad diet book. Next? -- Then I started looking into it. The more I read, the more I becamse suspicious of the status quo. After several evenings of checking out all kinds of research I rooted out by myself on the internet, I bought the book,... still skeptical, but I bought it anyway. -- Then I spent more time verifying the referenced studies/research in the back of the book. The result of all this is that I am no longer skeptical about this. If you would read the book, and/or do some real research, you'd change your mind. If you continue to categorically dismiss this whole thing as just another fad diet, you do so in unmindful bliss,.. simply not understanding the issue well enough to have any credibility in dismissing it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/15/11 at 14:03:26 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
No one will ever know for sure. Every day, though, there are folks on the wheat belly FB page that are chiming in with all kinds of improvements. -- Several women have mentioned their skin problems cleared up within days of being wheat-free. Their kids' acne went away as well. -- Many folks (including me) have mentioned their life-long headaches just plain stopped. -- Many folks (including me) talked about how their joint pain (both arthritic and other) went away altogether or reduced quite a bit. Ganglion cysts are joint/tendon related and many wheat-free folks have had things get a lot better with joints and tendons. Maybe there is some relationship between your cyst and the skin or joint improvements those folks brought up. In any event, I'm glad you aren't bothered by the ganglion cyst anymore. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by kimchris1 on 12/15/11 at 19:11:54 Aug 1,2011, I started my change of life journey. I have cut out alot of the foods I used to eat. To date I have lost 53 lbs and feel absolutely wonderful. For the first 3 months I gave up all bread. I used to eat 100 % whole wheat. I allow myself a 1/2 slice or at times 2 slices now and that is not every day. I eat sweet potatoes instead of other kinds. I use lemon juice in exchange for salad dressings. I eat a ton of fruits and vegetables. I use no oils nor fats when cooking. I don't add any salt to my food. No fast food for me either. I exercise at the gym as well as do Zumba 3 nights a week and will be adding a 4th night come January. My right knee is doing so much better with the weight loss. It doesn't bother me near as much as it did when I was heavier. I use a combination of several different types of food changes. some call it Adkins, weight watchers, etc, etc.. All I know is it is working for me. The best part is seeing the changes my body is taking. Wearing smaller size clothes. Feeling better than I have in years. So Gyro, I have to say that I agree with alot of what is being said. I again stay away from all pasta as I don't find it filling in the first place. Whole grain or not, I don't eat it. I find the fruit and veggies give me energy and the chicken I eat is the protein. I use a George Foreman grill and it drains all the fat off as it cooks. Lemon juice, lime or even dijun mustard are great ways to moisten foods as they cook. My B.M.I. was 47, Aug 1 and the other day it was checked and is now down to 33. Still needs to be lower and that will happen as I contiue on this journey. Again this is for life as I know what will happen if I go back to before. Thank you for bringing this info to us. I will have to try and get the book as it sounds like some very interesting reading. Hugs and take care.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 05:57:59 Kimchris1 stated: ... I have cut out alot of the foods I used to eat. To date I have lost 53 lbs and feel absolutely wonderful. For the first 3 months I gave up all bread. I used to eat 100 % whole wheat. .... I eat a ton of fruits and vegetables. ... I exercise at the gym as well as do Zumba 3 nights a week and will be adding a 4th night come January. My right knee is doing so much better with the weight loss. It doesn't bother me near as much as it did when I was heavier. ... The best part is seeing the changes my body is taking. Wearing smaller size clothes. Feeling better than I have in years. ... So Gyro, I have to say that I agree with alot of what is being said. ... I again stay away from all pasta as I don't find it filling in the first place. Whole grain or not, I don't eat it. I find the fruit and veggies give me energy and the chicken I eat is the protein. ... My B.M.I. was 47, Aug 1 and the other day it was checked and is now down to 33. Still needs to be lower and that will happen as I contiue on this journey. Again this is for life as I know what will happen if I go back to before. Thank you for bringing this info to us. I will have to try and get the book as it sounds like some very interesting reading. kim Kim, I hope you don't mind,.... I cherry-picked the comments out of your post to illustrate the points I have been emphasizing here for a couple of months now. Your points are right in line with the "wheat belly" way of doing things. There are four main concepts: -- No wheat. Wheat is actually toxic, and causes problems way beyond what the general public realizes. -- Little or no grains at all. Any grains are bad, wheat is just the worst by far. Grains in general are harmful, mainly because they have a high carb content,.. therefore they cause repeated blood sugar spikes, a very unhealthy attack on anyone, but especially for diabetics. Grains are probably the leading cause of diabetes, anyway. This country's astonishing increase in diabetes started right when there was a rapid increase in wheat/grain production/usage in the 50s and 60s. Coincidence? -- Low carb. Moderately low and consistent blood sugar levels are a huge factor in overall health, including weight loss, heart disease, arthritis, and diabetes. Stuffing wheaty grainy crap (inherently high-carb) in your face ruins the blood sugar situation, and causes all kinds of health problems. -- No sugar. Think of sugar as poison. Table sugar, natural sugar, fructose, whatever. This stuff is dumped right into your bloodstream. The only sugar getting into your bod should be that relatively small existing in fruits and veggies. I do truly hope you get the book. It'll explain some of the reasons you've been doing so well. You'll also learn about some the ways you might even make things better. Fat, for example, is not a bad thing if you are keeping your blood sugar level moderately low and steady. It is actually helpful. Anyway, the book will outline all of this. Since you have been paying so much attention to this (with such great results) I'm looking forward to your reactions to the book. It is very well written, and fun to read for a reader that cares about these things. Also, it is researched/referenced very thoroughly, so you can verify what's in the book is from findings/facts, not opinions or baseless assertions. Mega-congratulations, Kim!! What a success story!!. I'll bet you really CAN get from 0 to 60 in two seconds less!! ;) ;D :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/16/11 at 08:11:35 Gyro and Kim - I can't do the dubject justice in a few lines here, so lease forgive brevity. There is no doubt that grains are carbs, but most are the "good", high density carbs that take a while to digest, and don't cause spikes in blood glucose levels. The bad wheat products, like refined white flour, donuts, cakes, etc. are horrible, no doubt. A small bowl of raw oatmeal, not refined, isn't bad for us. I agree with Gyro's comment about obesity becoming rampant in the 1950s and later. But there is another thing we have to consier too. That is caloric burn. Carbs are the foundation of the glucose our bodies use as fuel. How we burn that fuel is a big factor. After WW II, our society moved off of the farms and out of hard, manual labor into being a sedentary society for the most part. Hence, when our bodies aren't demanding a lot of fuel to keep bosies running that are working hard, the bad effects of carbs started showing up in diabetes and obesity. In my bicycling days, back when I would ride 100 miles per week in the summer, I was skinny. Why? because at those work levels, my body needed lots of fuel, and I could eat pasta, bread, etc. and quickly consume the fuel. That's why competitive cyclists "carbo load" before an event - their bodies need fuel and lots of it. I'm not saying that all of this theory is junk. But everything is more complicated than a few simple answers. We have to look at exercise, or call it work, to burn off consumption of carbs. If we are sedentary in our life styles, then sure, limit carb intake to a good degree. When you totally eliminate carbs for a time, as Kim did, or as the Cleveland Clinic program that I mentioned earlier does, you lose a lot of weight quickly, because your body turns to the stored fat to provide the fuel it needs. But if you're really active, particularly if you have a job like construction laborer, you will burn what you take in. Do avoid the refined junk, as it is metabolized to quickly, and does spike blood glucose levels. But good, unrefined cereal grains like whole oats, barley, etc. do not dso that. Why do you think that we feed race and working horses a diet of corn and oats? To supply their bodies with fuel, without spikes in glucose. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 12/16/11 at 08:33:58 I eat at least one donut,4 slices of bread a day,beef fish pork.no veg's, eat ice cream ever night couple candy bars a day, ride bike in summer 7 days a week,go to YMCA 5 days a week,Worked hard as carpenter all my life,5 6 150# no head aches.blood pressure 80/120 pulse 65. You have to burn up what you eat.I get my energy from 2 1/2-3 packs of cigarettes a day. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 09:26:35 69666A606B666D616671646671030 wrote:
First of all, thanks for sticking with the discussion in an objective manner. You still have some misconceptions I'd like to address, but it is a breath of fresh air to have a rational discussion with someone possessing an opposing point of view. I agree with your comment on burning off the carbs. Atkins and Davis go along with this too. Atkins, in fact, holds that if you treat yourself to a heart-thumping, sweat-dripping 45 minute workout 4 times a week, you can effectively double the carb count you would otherwise need to maintain a given body weight. They are (were) both cardiologists, so they would also be very supportive of keeping up the workouts. This is one of the big reasons for Kim's success,.. she is sticking to an exercise schedule that benefits her greatly. Grains are mostly bad,.. wheat because of all the detrimental effects mentioned in the book (drawn from research over the past decades),.. but all grains do have an adverse effect on blood sugar, even what you refer to as "good" grains. -- "Good" grains are "good" only when compared to wheat. An often used analogy is "good" cigarettes. Low-tar, filtered, cigarettes look pretty good compared to standard cigarettes. Both are quite unhealthy, but the cigarette lobby uses this comparison to recommend smoking more of the low-tar cancer sticks, rather than not smoking at all. -- The whole-grain lobby uses the same procedure,... compared to white flour sugary food (twinkies?), whole grain food looks pretty good. They do studies showing an improvement when switching to whole-grain food. Therefore, we should eat more wheat/grain. They completely bypass what would happen if we switched to no grains at all. Glycemic index shows how much of a blood sugar spike various foods cause. Most desirable is NO glycemic index at all,.. such as with meat, cheese, eggs, etc. Acceptable blood sugar increases go along with veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. Keeping a glycemic index in the low 20s or less will put the least strain on blood sugar levels. Anything above 40 will create a blood sugar spike above 200mg/dl two hours later for most folks. cauliflower, green beans, lettuce, spinach, etc. 15 strawberries 20 raspberries 22 rice 70 oats 60 corn 60 whole wheat bread 62 white bread 70 pasta 55 snickers bar 43 table sugar 65 cream of wheat cereal 66 cheerios 74 Eat a bowl of oatmeal or cheerios in the morning, and I can guarantee you a blood sugar spike shortly after you get to work, followed by a late morning slump as the blood sugar level ricochets back down below normal, following by some strong hunger pangs demanding a mid-morning snack. Then the whole procedure repeats itself, and you are starving for lunch. Keep the carb levels low and moderate, have no wheat/grains, and after a few days of this, the blood sugar roller coaster goes away. So do the slumps, and hunger pangs. I do go on, don't I? :-[ Anyway, any grains give blood sugar spikes. Avoiding all grains, especially wheat, creates some very pleasant surprises. I won't repeat them here; this post is plenty long already. Is there any chance you might get to read the book sometime? If you don't want to buy it (Amazon $16), some libraries have it, and the bookstores get shipments in occasionally, but they don't last too long. Some folks on the Wheat Belly FB page say they have read the book while relazing in the book store. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 12/16/11 at 10:11:20 My own personal experience: The year is 1968, I was 8 years old, could easily bone the steamed or grilled fish I had in my plate with a mere fork and a piece of hard bread (as opposed to a fish knife). My family's diet consisted in the typical Italian staple: Pasta with a meat or fish sauce, protein and veggies as a 2nd course, some cheese on holidays and fruit. Cheese in those days was often served as a 3rd course, hence the tradition of the Cheese Tray with three, four options if not more. Let's be honest, how many 8 y.o. (or 40 y.o., for that matter) can bone a fish nowadays ? I could. :) Come October 30th, my Dad is posted to Washington, D.C., we all folloow along and embark on what is still, in my memories, a journey of fascination. Genoa - Rome - NYC - Washington, DC., all from dawn to dusk on October 31st. On the US Domestic flight, it is Halloween, but in Europe nobody had ever heard of Halloween (UK still refuses to acknowledge being European, maybe they're Irish, LOL). My dinner consisted in a small hamburger (which I found intriguing... why ruin a perfectly good burger with a slice of that green mushy thing? Pickle? ::)) French fries :D and an assortment of strange, superswweeet mushy rubbery spongy thingies in all colors and shapes. Little did I know they were supposed to be... pumpkins and bats or whatever! ::) Unfortunately, I was ill the next day (as was my younger brother). The Doc blamed it on fatigue (possible) my Mother on the new diet (more likely). Still today, when I travel to the US, I shudder at the sight of synthetic gum compounds used as edible bases for sweets. Diabetes is rife in the US because the consumption of sugar and glucose-based additives is out of control. If wheat were the cause, Europeans would have died away centuries ago, yet our average age is still higher than in the US. According to yesterday's news, in Italy 25% of the population is 60 years old or older... ...they all grew up on pasta, nobody could afford steak in 1946...and most still couldn't even in 1966... I know, I was there. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 11:01:19 Pescatori said, "Diabetes is rife in the US because the consumption of sugar and glucose-based additives is out of control. If wheat were the cause, Europeans would have died away centuries ago, yet our average age is still higher than in the US." That first statement is good as far as it goes. You should have changed it to read, "Diabetes is rife in the US because the consumption of sugar, glucose-based additives, and foods that create glucose in the blood, is out of control." This statement overlooks reality, "If wheat were the cause, Europeans would have died away centuries ago" Check out the type and quantities of high-carb foods consumed in the US. The blood sugar problem is worse here. Way worse. Also, don't look now, but Europeans are heading down this same obesity path,.. much in the way the buffoon wants us to head down the doomed European financial path. I can tell you have not yet achieved enough of an understanding of these new findings on wheat to discuss this with credibility. A lot of the studies/research done to come up with these new ideas was done in Europe. If you would simply read the book, you'd be more believable. Simply countering every point with some sort of statement that says, "No it isn't," doesn't contribute much. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 11:14:04 These kinds of inputs are becoming more common on the wheat belly FB page: Dear Dr. Davis, Thank you for writing such an important book, your Wheat Belly book of 2010. Do you have others, or do you contribute to specific medical journals and if so, which ones? This morning you have caught my doctor's attention. He now has a copy of your book and I told him that I wish everyone at Duke, UNC and ECU could also have a copy. This is a celebration day and after my doctor's appt. with him I went out and had a celebration lunch. After ten long years, my diabetes has improved so much (A1C was 5.9 this morning) that he has taken me OFF THE DIABETES PILL. Thank you again, just wanted you and all the Wheat Belly facebook friends to know. May God grant you the same dia muy bueno !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/16/11 at 11:23:01 Gyro - Thanks for the compliment. But seriously, why do we have dentitia and jaw structures that are ideal for grinding grains and other plants, while our teeth are no where near what pure carnivores have? We are meant to be omnivores - whether you believe in intelligent design or pure evolutionary theory doesn't matter - we are built the way we are built. We are not built to be pure carnivores. I wonder if these health problems the book associates with grains appear in the indigenous populations that eat huge amounts of grain based foods, like native peoples in Mexico and Central and South America, where corn is a daily staple that makes up a huge percentage of their diet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 11:52:53 0B04080209040F030413060413610 wrote:
Good point about the teeth. We ARE omnivores, not exclusively carnivores. Our bodies, our genetic programming, are optimized for omnivorous survival. We are designed to eat animals/birds/fish we kill and use tools to break apart and/or cook, to eat green leafy stuff, and to eat stuff that grows on trees and vines. Our teeth are dual purpose teeth,.. we have canines for shredding and pulling, yet we have molars for grinding. Grains are a fairly recent factor. Maybe 9,000 years ago, grains started getting some notice, and began to be grown as crops. Prior to that grain consumption was minimal. 9,000 years is nowhere enough time to change chromosome counts, etc., to make those kinds of adaptations. We are still not optimized for grains. The book does address the grainy diets of other cultures. Our culture, is the focus, though, and arrival of grains as a staple was quite detrimental. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 12/16/11 at 12:15:27 Why did God make wheat was he trying to kill is children :o :o |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 12:27:50 02090C0C5657600 wrote:
The same reason he made nukes, VD, cancer, war, gnats, socialists, mesothelioma, and hangy-down pants. The Lord works in strange ways. He also gave us the intelligence to deal with those problems,.. to deal with the problems we create for ourselves. We are now discovering the problems we created for ourselves with wheat. We have the intelligence to overcome the huge mistake we made with our addiction to wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/16/11 at 12:51:49 mosquitoes , venomous vipers victimizing valiant voyagers, elephants stomping pygmies, the psychology behind pretending these things is sad, Bill., It cant be real,, God wouldnt do that.. give me a break, Danger, evil, toxic stuff in nature, its all there, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 13:04:55 I just made a miraculous discovery. I downloaded a pc kindle app (free on Amazon), then downloaded the Kindle version of the book. For a lousy $9.45 you get a copy of the book to view on the computer screen, and you can search it for any term/concept/reference instantly. Yay. This morning I remembered a statement in the book about how a bowl of oatmeal would give you a blood sugar spike of 300 mg/dl. For the life of me I could NOT find that statement. Now I can find those kinds of things in nanoseconds. Yay some more. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 12/16/11 at 16:27:31 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
You right JOG I believe in Mother Nature. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 12/16/11 at 16:29:26 Oatmeal is very good for you.I eat it a couple times a week. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/16/11 at 18:56:22 4A4144441E1F280 wrote:
Sorry to know about that, bill. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/17/11 at 07:59:25 In the TT thread, Webstermark asked about a "Wheat Belly." Here's a gross pic that illustrates the diff between a wheat belly and plain old fat. Wheat belly comes about when, in addition to plain old abdominal fat, the visceral organs are each surrounded and infused with fat, forcing a protrusion of the belly,... creating a Wheat Belly. Wheat is the main factor in visceral fat. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/Visceralfatvslovehandles01.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/17/11 at 08:08:58 Here's another one: I read the book. I'm totally convinced. My hubby's been doing it for 2 weeks now. He's type 2. Sugars were in high 300,s now they are around 145 - 160,s. Im amazed. Was going to wait till after Christmas to start, but that's not soon enough. Starting today. (normal blood sugar level for non-diabetics is somewhere around 100.) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 12/17/11 at 08:46:42 Gyro,... when are you gonna' marry this guy?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/17/11 at 09:44:45 4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
Gotta get rid of my current wife first,.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/20/11 at 21:11:35 I didn't realize it, but the Wheat Belly book has been on the NY Times Best Seller list since September. No wonder my local Barnes & Noble never has any copies. I am using a Kindle version now on my desktop PC and Droid. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 12/21/11 at 05:10:45 Sorry to contradict you, Gyrobob, but if you look at the guy with the huge belly... http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/Visceralfatvslovehandles01.jpg THIS IS NOT VISCERAL FAT, it is an illness linked to excessive (binge) drinking which leads to fluid retention and severe liver and kidney disorder. It is called ASCITIS or ASCITES and is generally caused by hepatic cyrrhosis - caused in turn by drinking too much for too long. Here's a similar picture from a medical journal http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SKowyVmq9lY/SuHZ7aGw60I/AAAAAAAAACg/MGm1tevoEuw/s1600/ascitis.bm The EVIDENCE is THIS PICTURE comes from a site called barplan - lose your beer belly (NOT WHEAT BELLY) http://www.barplan.com/blog/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lose_beer_belly.jpg Furthermore, THIS PICTURE (guy in sunglasses paddling away) IS NOT ABOUT LOVE HANDLES AND VISCERAL FAT ! That picture shows French President Nicolas Sarkozy in a canoe, and the circle shows readers how it was photoshopped to "slim away" his figure. EVIDENCE: PRES. SARKOZY'S NEW HAMPSHIRE CANOE TRIP http://socaldem.smugmug.com/photos/219259032-O.jpg If you can get gypped by pictures such as these, your sources need to be double checked. Now you can either slam me for being a French-loving, garlic eating socialist, or you can acknowledge I am more skeptic than you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/23/11 at 16:12:31 No biggy. The pic was for shock effect, anyway. It is still fairly close to what visceral fat in the extreme looks like. Note that the other pics show both someone's photoshopped pics and the originals. The pic is making the rounds as a suggestion for the surgeon general to use as a graphic pic on wheat-bearing products, similar to what they do on cigarette packs. The visceral fat problem is still there. Wheat causes it. Very unhealthy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 12/23/11 at 17:56:37 08363D202D202D4F0 wrote:
Geez!... How 'bout we show a smallpox victim on candy wrappers to show kids they might get zits... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/23/11 at 19:49:44 2F392E332B3E33285C0 wrote:
Geez!... How 'bout we show a smallpox victim on candy wrappers to show kids they might get zits... :-?...[/quote] have you seen the graphics on cigarette packs these days? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/23/11 at 19:52:34 Here's another long-term diabetic situation. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/12/diabetes-cured/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by kimchris1 on 12/24/11 at 10:05:24 OMG.. If that is actual from wheat, I am never eating wheat products again.. Well ok after dinner today that is.. ;) I did use some wheat mixed with other grains bread for my dressing. Oh I am not going off the wagon for long. I have too much to gain by staying on track.. Train jumped the tracks for a couple days, then back to the gym and Zumba.. I can't nor will I even attempt to speak for all, all I do know again is what I have eliminated as well as changed in my life to account for the changes in my body. I am not complaining at all. I enjoy the smaller clothes and feeling much better than I did 56 lbs ago... :) kim |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 12/27/11 at 00:44:57 No biggy. The pic was for shock effect, anyway. It is still fairly close to what visceral fat in the extreme looks like. Note that the other pics show both someone's photoshopped pics and the originals. That comment reminds me of Aesop's fable about the fox and the grapes... Since the fox couldn't jump up high enough to get to the grapes, she shrugged they weren't ripe enough anyway :-? As for the other pics being photoshopped, all they prove is they were photoshopped, NOT the cause of the "love handles". You want a pic of visceral fat ? You got it ! http://mcfats.com/images/fat-woman03.mcfats.com.jpg Now go and investigate the cause of THAT visceral fat... What's the point of slapping MAYONNAISE on a burger that would otherwise be healthy? What's the point of slapping French Fries anywhere and everywhere? What's the point of drinking an oversize jug of soft drinks? Ever heard of spring water, salad and mustard? They're all low calorie, low/no sugar sides to your otherwise safe burger. You want to know what's wrong with the "Wheat Belly" book? It denies the fundamental effects of Vitamins B1, B2 and B12 in the metabolism of liver, spleen and pancreas. Without those vitamins, those organs couldn't produce their enzymes, in sufficient quantities, if at all, and you'd go kaputt. Eat yet starve. Of course, a know-it-all Doc could suggest you take food-integrator pills, but... ...what's the point of taking a pill containing a fundamental vitamin, extracted from the food you claim is unhealthy ? Isn't the original food a safer way to intake those same vitamins? OR Are you going to convince us that a Vitamin C pill is safer than orange juice ? :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/27/11 at 07:03:37 This post is not intended to be vulgar or gross. There is a doc who flies from my airport, and he's a urologist. He was chatting Sat. morning in our lobby, as a bunch of us usually do. He told of two morbidly obese people who came into his office in the past month. One was a woman who had a suspected infection of the urethra. She was so fat and has so many folds of fat that he could not find her girl thingy. He couldn't confirm his suspicion of the infection, but gave her antibiotics anyhow as a protective measure. A man came in, complaining that his thingy was shrinking. The guy was so fat that folds of fat were simply surrounding his thingy amd hiding it. And we don't think that we have an epidemic of obesity? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 12/27/11 at 10:27:21 Interesting,.... women have a "girl thingy",... but men just have a "thingy"... :-?... Raptorize... 8-)... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 12/28/11 at 04:04:20 I read Prof. Linus Pauling's book on Vitamin C. http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/234810-L.jpghttp://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/2903086-L.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31XxhdKMK%2BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg Never mind the title "How to live longer..." etc., what Prof. Pauling claimed is that the FDA DRD (daily recommended dose) of Vitamin C is about 200 times LESS than what we actually need. He based this claim on two factors: 1) most mammals are capable of synthesizing (creating) Vitamin C within their own system, namely in the liver; humans are not capable of this. 2) those mammals which DO produce their own Vitamin C, produce it in proportion to their own body mass, in amounts which, in a "normal, healthy human" would mean about 1200 mg/day. The FDA DRD is 60 mg. :-? Why so low ? The same, apparently, with other vitamins such as B1, B2 and B12, not to mention Vitamin A (produced in the liver). Mediterranean Europeans happen to eat regularly liver and kidney from beef, pork or lamb as a normal part of their diet, but in Northern Europe (hence, in North America) liver and kidneys are often considered "offal" and as such "dirty" :-? "poor man's meat" ::) if not "dog food" :( Prof. Pauling was a Nobel Prize for Chemistry AND a Nobel Prize for Peace (for his campaigning to end nuclear test blasting). http://www.lifecell-antiwrinkle.co.uk/report_images/linus_pauling.jpg Incidentally, in the early 1970's he foresaw the 1975-76 epidemic of swine flu, and saw right. He also identified the 1918-1919 "Spanish Flu" which wreaked havoc in both Europe and USA as swine flu. Pfizer and the WHO insisted we take a vaccine for swine and bird flu the last few years, I simply had Vitamin C and never even had the "normal" flu... I consider HIM to be a good point of reference. AND He's American, from Oregon. See also "Orthomolecular Medicine" and "Megavitamins". :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/28/11 at 05:29:39 Serowbot - When I typed my post about the urologist's comments, I used the anatomically correct terms. The stupid auto correct that is a part of this forum changed them. I guess we aren't deemed mature enough to use correct terms in a serious discussion. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/28/11 at 05:33:46 Maurizio - Organ meat such as liver or kidney has long been a part of the American diet, especially calf's liver and chicken livers. Unfortunately, since they are loaded with cholesterol, I now have to avoid them. But I sure wish I could have a plate of sauteed chicken livers, onions, and that great Asian yellow gravy - yummy. Many Americans now avoid organ meat for the same reason I do. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 12/28/11 at 06:56:01 2F202C262D202B272037222037450 wrote:
Research this a little further and you'll see the amount of cholesterol and fat your put into your bod is nearly irrelevant. If the wheat/grains are not there, and the carbs are kept low enough (maybe 50 grams daily), the body is in a forget-about-using-carbs-for-fuel mode, and it focuses on fat for fuel. When in this mode is burns the fat it needs and does NOT store excess fat. The liver figures out how much cholesterol the body needs, uses it, and dumps the rest. The idea that we need to restrict fat and cholesterol has been obsolete for a while, even though a lot of the planet has not gotten word of it yet. Go ahead and cook up some "sauteed chicken livers, onions, and that great Asian yellow gravy." As long as the gravy has no wheat or other grain-starch used for thickeners, and there is no sugar in it, that'll be a very healthy dish. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/29/11 at 08:42:24 Gyro - Back about 12 years or so ago, I went on the Cleveland Clinic "Protein Sparing Fast" to lose about 30 pounds. It's a no carb diet plan developed at that hospital. It is basically a fast, but calls for eating protein and green veggies to spare loss of muscle tissue. I ate lots of meat, fish, and some chicken, altho I really don't like chicken very much in any dish. Weight came off. All was good in the world, as I resumed what that plan calls "maintenace eating", which adds some complex carbos, just enough to maintain one's new weight. I still ate lots of meat. In 2004 I had an onset of chest pain while at the EAA Oshkosh show - what a place for a pilot to realize that he now has cardiac problems. When I got back home, I had two stents put in my LAD artery. My cholesterol level on the operating table was 280. Sorry, but livers in mammals and most other animals are the factories that make cholesterol; eat it and you are eating a huge quantity. Since 2004 I've been on a low cholesterol diet, and with the aid of a small dose of Lipitor, I'm down to total cholesterol of around 130. And since 2004, my cardiac condition is not only stable, but has improved, and I'm back to flying, thankfully. I agree that dietary intake of cholesterol makes up for only about 15% of what causes high cholesterol, but when you have a liver like mine that makes way too much to begin with, every little bit of careful diet planning helps the total. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/29/11 at 11:17:07 Many of the folks adopting the no-wheat no-grain low-carb no-sugar system have to be taken off their cholesterol drugs and diabetes drugs because taking the bod back to what it was designed to eat removes the need to treat conditions caused by it being forced to eat what is was NOT designed to eat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 12/31/11 at 10:42:19 Another diabetic who was actually cured, along with several other long duration problems eliminated by getting rid of all grains, including wheat: (when he says "yours" he is referring to the cardiologist, Dr. Davis) I was a 58 year old diabetic on Avandia, Diovan and Zetia and having multiple annoying and painful side effects and I’d been reading about the possible dangers of the Avandia. I was looking for answers when I happened upon Dr. Eades’ blog which led to Tom Naughton and your Heart Scan Blog. Ironically, the first blog post of yours I read was a 2/22/08 post on diabetes meds. Your genuine compassion and concern for your patients and willingness to LISTEN to them was very apparent so I started reading everything you’d written. I immediately cut the carbs and quit the wheat/grains and waited for my next appointment while weaning myself off the meds. At my next appointment, I told the doctor (fairly new to me) about the side effects and weaning off the meds. He was not a happy camper and dramatically stated “It’s Avandia or insulin!”. However, not 10 minutes later, as he was about to go to his next patient, he said my A1C was 5.8 so I could “try” no diabetes meds. I was thrilled – this meant the low carb/no grain diet was working! It took me a while to notice some of the other benefits – no IBS, no migraines, the dry, flaky skin I’d had all my life was gone, excessive flatulence gone, 30 pounds gone without even trying, thankfully those side effects eventually disappeared, I can breathe through both sides of my nose again!! (which I would never have dreamed could be cured by simply not eating wheat!), BP down, HDL up and many more that I notice from time to time. So here I am today, now 61, on no medications (I do take the supplements recommended by you & Dr. Eades) and my A1C at my physical earlier this month matched the one from last year’s physical – 4.7. I was telling the doctor how many of my health problems had disappeared when I changed my diet. He said yes, it was amazing what changing your diet could do. Since he is a pretty heavy guy, I keep wishing he’d ask me what exactly I changed, but he never does. It’s a shame because he could certainly benefit from your advice and/or at least try to talk his other diabetic patients into cleaning up their diets (including my 2 sisters, who will listen to the doctor but not to their now slim and healthy.little sis..). Happy Holidays to you and yours! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/12 at 08:36:02 Bob, have a look here,, http://pbraunmd.org/pbraunmd/sayer%20ji%20dark%20side%20of%20wheat.pdf |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/03/12 at 08:47:42 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
WOW!!! This piece of research verifies everything Dr Davis (the Wheat Belly guy) has discovered and put in his book. I love this sentence in the conclusion,"When one eliminates wheat and fills the void left by its absence with fruits, vegetables, high quality meats and foods consistent with our biological needs we may begin to feel a sense of vitality that many would find hard to imagine." Thanks large! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/12 at 09:12:19 It was on My drs. site. Clip the tail off that addy & go to the main site,. http://www.pbraunmd.org/ YOu mite also be interested in some of the linked things on the left, like gulf stream damaged affecting global climate. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 01/04/12 at 02:10:50 All this makes me happy I live in Europe... Our laws are much more stringent, to the point that many hormones and chemicals widely accepted in US agriculture were banned in Europe as far as 20 years ago, in the '90s. We do NOT use rapeseed oil or canola oil (unless you're british or scandinavian, but that's not my fault...) those who don't use butter or olive oil for cooking and frying use corn oil or peanut oil, to which we have been accustomed for centuries... If SOY and WHITE RICE are so bad, how come Japan and China live off it so well ? Unfortunately that Dr. PatriciaB's website is visible by all, worldwide, yet her research (?) concentrates on US Agricultural products only. It's a bit like European left-winger lobbyists pucshing to ban or levy SUVs with data based on US Highway Authority statistics... like Italy was teeming with Suburbans and Chevy Novas... US white flour is bleached? OK, stop buying it, buy wholewheat. White sugar is bleached? Stop buying it, buy brown sugar, better still, use honey! Concentrated orange juice contains water and corn syrup? Ever considered buying your own oranges? Now, when somebody tells me milk is bad... :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/04/12 at 07:30:07 If the Japs and Chinese ate meat, veggies, fruit, and low-carb (no grains at all) they'd average 6' tall and 180 pounds, not 5'4" and 140 pounds. Saying we should eat wholewheat flour instead of white flour, or use honey instead of sugar, is like saying we should smoke low tar cigarettes instead of standard cigarettes. Getting shot by a .44 magnum is worse than getting shot by a .357 magnum, so would you please shoot me with a .357? mpescatori, you have not read the book. You do not understand what it says. You would have some credibility if you actually knew something about the other side of the discussion. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Arnold on 01/04/12 at 11:06:18 I would think it would take many generations of eating one kind of diet for a population to alter its genetic makeup, ie, being tall or short. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/12 at 11:55:49 Its not an alteration of DNA, its a failure to reach maximum potential due to wrong nutrition that makes them short, like a tree that is stunted, being raised in poor soil. The same tree, with the right stuff on the ground & the right amount of water, & it would grow on up. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Arnold on 01/04/12 at 12:14:25 You're saying if you were to adopt an Asian kid and raise him in the US he would grow taller? That nurture would overcome nature and its genetic predispositions? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/06/12 at 06:08:08 Here's another interesting input to wheatbellyblog.com --- just wanted to say “Thank You!” You did in two days what several doctors couldn’t do in 3 years. I began having lower back pain – significant lower back pain – a little over three years ago. Nobody could find what was causing it and i was ultimately told to take up yoga to strengthen my core muscles and learn to relax. The pain interfered with every aspect of my life. It disrupted my sleep. It made daily chores difficult and unpleasant. I couldn’t stand still for more than a few seconds without the pain becoming unbearable. Because I also needed to lose weight, I began looking for options to accomplish that and quite by accident stumbled across Wheat Belly. In spite of my dismay at the thought of giving up all the lovely baked goods, I figured I could try it for a couple weeks to see if it would lessen the level of pain. If it didn’t work, no harm, no foul and maybe I’d lose a couple pounds in the process. It was with much skepticism that I woke up Tuesday, January 3, 2012 resolved to cut not just wheat but all grains out of my diet for two weeks and see what happened. This morning (1/5/12), the very first thing I noticed was that my alarm clock woke me up. It took a few seconds for it to register just how unusual that was and a few more seconds to realize that I didn’t hurt. I hadn’t woke even once to adjust my position to relieve some of the pain. The screaming agony that woke me up every morning for the last 3 years before my alarm had a chance to go off was no where to be found. I went from barely being able to get out of bed by myself to absolutely 100% pain free in two days. TWO DAYS. I spent today afraid to believe it. Every time I got up from my desk, I expected to feel that familiar twinge but it wasn’t there. When I think too much about the difference between this day and the day I had two days ago, it overwhelms me and I can’t help but cry with the happiness of it. I feel like a living, breathing miracle!! Thank you, Dr. Davis, for sharing your knowledge and giving me my life back. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/06/12 at 09:12:07 For those of you who have kids with acne (or have acne yourselves), I just found out two of my three Granddaughters (aged 15 and 11) have been freed from acne. They started the wheat-free thing on 1 Jan. This morning my Daughter called,.. they are all losing weight, but the biggy for the girls was that their skin cleared up. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 01/06/12 at 09:49:00 Wheat is the leading source of vegetable protein for humans.With out it you will die at and earlier age. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/12 at 10:00:39 Bill,, there are plenty of sources of plant based protein. That wheat currently provides the most plant based protein is meaningless. If people stop using wheat, then some other plant based source will become number one.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 01/06/12 at 10:46:45 36 pages of Wheatbelly testimonials... This thread needs a stake in it's heart... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/06/12 at 15:15:46 7F697E637B6E63780C0 wrote:
Your participation in it might be less than interesting to you, so why not just go to the threads that interest you more, and leave this one to the folks that want to be here? 36 pages of content would suggest there are at least a few that are interested. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 01/06/12 at 15:45:15 7D4348555855583A0 wrote:
Your participation in it might be less than interesting to you, so why not just go to the threads that interest you more, and leave this one to the folks that want to be here? 36 pages of content would suggest there are at least a few that are interested.[/quote] They're 80 to 90% you, Gyro... filling page after page with giant type... Most of the rest are people telling you it's BS... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/06/12 at 18:35:12 I'm real used to having flatworlders tell me it's bs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 01/07/12 at 13:50:49 Gyrobob- 247 posts on this thread of 542 (so far)= 46% Everyone else................................................. = 54% Adjusted for volume of space used (Gyro's posts are an average of four times bigger than anyone else's)............................................ Gyro = 78% everyone else..................................................= 22% So Serobot, you were pretty close. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/07/12 at 13:56:25 515A5A535F50514B4A3E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 01/07/12 at 14:53:08 0739322F222F22400 wrote:
and?[/quote] And what? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/12 at 16:31:29 GB was forced into making half the posts, to rebut claims or discuss what soemeone else posted, I think its a great thread, & the % of posts attributed to GB only demonstrate how enthusiastic he is about this topic. I think he is onto something, but, people tend to defend what theyve been doing all their lives.. even after there is sufficient evidence that should at least make a guy step back & evaluate things instead of just accepting something as "Good" just because its always been the accepted norm. Fluoride & the Fed come to mind,, continuing to accept & support either of them w/o some serious study is just not being responsive to the available data. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 01/07/12 at 16:38:08 I was just kidding around! ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/12 at 19:35:31 AAAArrrrgggghhhh! Im gonna GITCHEWW! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 01/08/12 at 15:51:27 That's twice you've said that to me. Do I need to be concerned about your proximity? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 01/08/12 at 17:02:42 2D26262F232C2D3736420 wrote:
Stay outta' Texas... ... but, I could have warned to do that, anyway... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/09/12 at 08:30:23 414A4A434F40415B5A2E0 wrote:
Naaah,, just relaaaax,, everything is OOOkay,, OHH! BTW,, You live within walkin distance of the bus station? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/21/12 at 08:34:15 The Wheat Belly FB page is turning into more of a diabetes recovery page than a weight loss page. Comments like this are popping up almost daily now: Well I did it. I just got back from my doctors office and I am no longer taking medication for Type 2 Diabetes. My cholesterol levels are so low I can stop taking one medication and in a month will be off the other. the doctor just wants to do one at a time. Thank You doctor Davis and to everyone else here. My journey isn't done here however I have reached my initial goal of curing my Type 2 Diabetes. I have also cut my carb intake down and have been able to go into McDonald's and order a salad. It may sound weird to some, but that is a huge step for me. I have gone from Obese to overweight in 10 weeks and next up is to be the proper weight, under 195 pounds according to BMI, which isn't the best indicator, but 185 is where i want to be. Thank you for adding a few years back on to my life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/12 at 08:37:17 SWEET!! Uhh,, or not,, sweet mite be the wrong answer.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 01/21/12 at 15:20:14 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
Good one. Just after I posted this one, a couple others showed up. The Doc needs to open up different page for cured diabetics. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 01/21/12 at 15:44:18 Gyro your going to put the undertakers right out of business. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/12 at 16:53:08 Best way to do that is have the doctors go on strike, When Israeli medical doctors went on strike in 2000, the number of deaths in that country went down. They went down so far, in fact, that funeral directors were protesting the strike! Emergency care and other vital services were not disrupted during the strike. What decreased — drastically — were visits to outpatient centers. That meant fewer prescriptions were written. And most elective surgeries were cancelled. Maybe not a bad thing. Dr. Joseph Mercola put it well when he wrote: “There is no question that traditional approaches for acute traumas (heart attack, stroke, accidents, etc.) are valuable and should not be abandoned. However, overall, when drugs and surgery are used to address chronic illness, it is generally a prescription for disaster.” Hospitals and doctors are invaluable for traumatic injuries. But when it comes to maintaining robust health and preventing illness, healthy living and personal responsibility is the key. *Note, acute problems need medical care.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 01/21/12 at 17:43:45 "Best way to do that is have the doctors go on strike," Agree completely JOG. This is in line with Dr. Davis. He went from being one of those guys who did bypass surgeries to being a preventive cardiologist. He said he got really frustrated from pissing his life away (not his terminology) cutting on people to get their blood flowing for a year or two and then having them die or show up again for a repeat a few years later. So he decided to figure out ways to heal them, rather than operate on them to make symptoms temporarily disappear. That "doctors on strike" thing is like what happened in Albuquerque a few decades ago when the cops went on strike,.. the crime rate went way down. The bad guys soon found out the citizenry had bought all the guns in town and were defending themselves. One bad guy actually said when interviewed, "that little old lady scared me s***less all trembling like that and pointing that gun at me,.. heck (not his terminology), the cops are trained to NOT shoot,.. she was about to shoot me from bein' scared!!" |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/08/12 at 14:02:49 How many of you have gotten to the pebble in the dirt stage? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/15/12 at 09:13:06 5769627F727F72100 wrote:
not too many, eh? Well here's a quote from a Doc in Seattle: |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/12 at 09:15:43 102E2538353835570 wrote:
Ive had a pebble in my shoe from walkin in the dirt, but I dont really get the whole pebble in the dirt idea.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 02/15/12 at 09:25:32 48767D606D606D0F0 wrote:
[size=12]not too many, eh?[/quote] Yes Gryro,... None, is not very many... :-?... http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/CratersoftheMoon.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/15/12 at 09:52:09 Well,... at least somebody responded. The pebble in the dirt phase is when you have been wheat free grain free for so long (usually weeks or sometimes months) you just don't have food cravings anymore, especially for WGC (wheaty grainy crap). If you were to pass by a table loaded with danish and bagels, you'd be about as interested in it as you would a pebble in the dirt you happened to see while out on a walk. Here's an explanation of the three phases I went through,.. with pebble-in-the-dirt being that phase I am in now. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/ThreePhasesWheatBelly01a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 02/15/12 at 18:11:28 Well since SOMEbody bumped the thread... ::) I might be 'pebble in the dirt' uncaring about nicotine (after many, many years) but not about wheat products. If someone brought a box of doughnuts to work tomorrow, I would not be all "PISH POSH.. It is but a pebble in the sand, I do say!" No, I'd be either lamenting the no-wheat idea or diving into the box. Frankly I think it's laughable that people are treating this as an on/off-the-wagon type deal and going so far as to compare it to crack.. and that there is even a concept of wheatless 'proficiency.' Mr. Davis is getting credit for effects that are 1) real and exclusive to wheat 2) real and incidental to carbs, and 3) psychosomatic. Can't lose. If I want a hamburger I'll have it, dammit, complete with the bun. With no guilt that I 'broke my diet' or anything. --BUT-- there do seem to be negative effects, such as energy swings and more sand in my joints. I am not sure how much of that is real and how much is in my head. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 02/15/12 at 18:54:06 I've been "off" coffee for three weeks now. I tend to eat few processed foods to begin with, so going "wheat free" isn't in my future. I think the main probelm is "Processed " foods, not necessarily wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/15/12 at 18:55:19 I'm here to testify the effects are real. I have had situations where I got wheated and did not suspect it at all, until the reactions set in. Headache, sore joints, bitchy wife, etc. That is not to say that the mind can't talk you in to these things. I'll bet if I had a donut, I would be explaining to myself how bad I was feeling before it even happened probably. A few weeks ago I had some oyster stew that was more like soup. Really tasty. I've been having that stew at that establishment for years. About the time we were leaving the restaurant, a headache was starting and the joints in my fingers and neck and knees were uncomfortable. This was really unusual because since last October (when I stopped all grains), the headaches I had suffered several times a week for the last four decades have completely stopped. This lasted for several hours. The next week we went back there again, and I asked a few questions. Sure 'nuff, they had changed their recipe and were now using a flour thickener. Anyway, the pebble in the dirt thing is just a way to express how liberating it is to not feel like any sacrifices are being made when I don't eat any WGC. In fact, now that I know what it does to me when I eat some of it, it is WORSE than a pebble in the dirt. Not only do I have no desire to eat it, I have negative feelings about it that make me enthusiastically refuse it,.. and feel good about not having to eat it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/15/12 at 18:56:59 6A4F484E4E5943415412101111200 wrote:
Processed foods are a problem. This issue is part of some other discussion. If you go back and review this thread, you'll see how wheat (and other grains) ARE the problem. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 02/16/12 at 06:11:05 Supersavage, really? No Coffee? Jeez, I'd die. I don't think I am good enough to pick out the effects of just a small amount of wheat in a recipe.. One time I was on the road and stopped at a cajun restaurant and ordered the crawfish etouffe' then realized they probably use flour to make the rue. I didn't change my order or anything, just ate it. Yes.. it was a drive-by wheating! Sure enough I felt crappy later, but I expected that anyway because the dish was loaded with rice. I can't pick out the difference in effects. But I do think one can come to the most accurate conclusions by not making a big mental deal out of it. That way any 'medical student syndrome' is minimized, and the lack of proficiency affords you an experimental wheating now and then. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/16/12 at 06:22:21 303D273E3726332036520 wrote:
I agree with all of that. Your assessment agrees with a lot of the "surprised" folks on the Wheat Belly FB page as well. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 02/16/12 at 06:34:29 Several more "testimonials" of late on the FB page. -- One lady who runs a juvenile detention center took the wheat out of the diet for the inmates, and their behavior improved markedly. -- There are a few more of the diabetics who are not diabetics anymore. Also, some of the type 1 types say that while they know they are permanently damaged and have no hope of being cured like the type 2 people, they have an easier time of it while off of wheat/grains. Apparently the insulin situation is steadier,.. easier to control when the blood sugar roller coaster from eating WGC is calmed down. -- Some rheumatoid arthritis sufferers said they can tell within an hour if they have been wheated. Their otherwise reasonable joint comfort turns into out and out pain for hours afterwards. -- One lady with MS has not only gotten out of her wheelchair, she doesn't need a cane anymore. And then there's me. I'm doing fine thanks. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/12 at 08:04:01 While I haven't read the book in the beginning of this thread, I hardly think that bans me from having any pertinent knowledge or opinion on the subject as that book is not likely to be the sole source of knowledge in the universe. It is on my list to read though. I must also confess to only skimming the first 37 pages of this thread prior to posting. If these things piss you off, you're wasting your energy; just stop reading. My opinion is generally as follows. Please excuse me if it seems more rambling and less coherently structured as I did not outline it prior to writing this post. From a simple philosophical dietary standpoint, I can understand fully that our nomadic hunter-gatherer ancestors evolved eating what they could catch and their bodies could process raw. This would be mostly vegetables and fruits on a daily basis and as much meat as they could catch or scavenge. Note that this would be lean game meat; not farm raised. There would be the occasional supplements of eggs, nuts or the like. Fish would be more easily gained than many meats, depending upon locale. In general they did not eat grains as our teeth don't handle most of them well raw, nor do our digestive tracts. Dairy was not a part of a human diet after you were weaned from your mother. We certainly weren't chasing down animals to milk them. Raw corn, while edible, is much like raw potatoes. It's okay in small amounts but will usually give humans gastric issues if eaten in quantity. Man did find that grains were often more edible if they had been found after having soaked for a sufficient time in water. In fact, sometimes they even got a buzz (witness the beginnings of beer and other spirits). As man began to harness and use fire, he found he could make grain more palatable by cooking it. This was still at a time when man was nomadic. However, man began to return and to linger where these supplies of wild grain were found and eventually began to time the harvests and then to plant (witness the start of agriculture and towns). As these towns grew, grain became more and more the primary source of nutrition. Some meat and eggs became a bit easier to come by as some animals became domesticated during the later stages of nomadic life (i.e. goats) and dairy began to see its first uses. Note that these latter developments began to add fat to the diet from both dairy and farm-raised meats. I believe the paleo diet (or caveman diet, as it is sometimes called) is quite likely the healthiest for those of us who can afford to sustain it. As a species we took something along the line of two million years evolving eating it. Grain, dairy and domesticated meats have only been on the scene for something like ten to twenty thousand years, which hasn't given us a lot of time to adapt. This is not to say that evolution isn't still at work. There's a group of Laplanders whose primary source of protein for the past five thousand years or more has been cheese. This single group has a slightly higher lactose tolerance than the rest of the human race. Back to affordability... The unfortunate fact is that we can't effectively feed the populace of the planet healthily on a paleo diet. Grain is a necessary supplement. It seems to me likely that GMO plants might present an option to make them more agreeable to human digestion. Personally, I have compromised a bit. I tend to eat mostly lean meats, fruits, vegetables and the occasional eggs and nuts. However, I do cook them more often than I eat them raw (except for fruit). I eat grain-based foods to some extent. Usually, they would be high-fiber, high-protein versions (certain Fiber One cereals) or plain oats. I sometimes have short-grain brown rice or quinoa but not often. I occasionally eat low-fat cheese but rarely any other dairy. I use unsweetened almond milk. I also like the occasional potato or sweet potato, cooked. It works for me. I am attempting to slowly switch to more raw vegetables but some will likely always be cooked. I have been at the point for years where I can pass up breads and such quite easily. One main focus of mine is to dramatically reduce the amount of salt and sweeteners I use. I already use less than most people I know but I believe we have all become accustomed to far too much salt and sweet (natural or artificial) in our diets and we honestly don't taste the real food underneath it very well at all. When it comes to cravings, it's largely a function of blood sugar levels. These processed/refined carbs, whether sugar, flour (wheat, oat, corn, rye, rice, etc.) or otherwise, hit your blood quickly and spike the blood sugar levels. After that, comes the crash, which causes lethargy and cravings (like any addiction). Sources of calories (even carbs) that digest more slowly and are effectively time-released into the blood, keep the levels more stable and don't result in crashes and cravings. They need to have higher levels of fiber and protein, which digest more slowly. That's why eating a serving or two of oats (simple cut or rolled, not refined flour) has an entirely different effect than the same amount of calories in something like basic white bread, flour, sugar, etc. Of course, if you load down the oats with butter and sugar, you kind of defeat the purpose. I hereby relinquish the soapbox and return you to your regularly scheduled programming... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 02/16/12 at 08:56:24 Savage-rob, it sounds like you are more than half-way there. I'd really like to know your reaction to the book. You already have an appreciation for most of the basics. Once you actually learn the fundamentals about the unhealthiness of wheat (and grains in general), I'd expect someone like you that actually analyzes these things to be quite impressed, rather than just going with baseless beliefs like bill does. Even if you don't read the book, if you were to be WFGFSF for 30 days, you would surprise yourself. I have not seen it fail yet. -- Anyone who gives it a valid try always comes away impressed. -- The several I know of that say it did not work, say things like, "oh, yeah, I did that wheat belly thing, but, hey man, I just can't live without sugar." or,... "Sure I'll cut out wheat, but I'll get all the grains I need from oats, corn, rice, etc." You can just dismiss these situations as being not at all applicable to what is in the book. The book itself is quite different than what you would expect. I thought it was just another fad diet book. -- I read it the first time with that mindset. -- Afterwards, though, I started mulling it over. "Hey wait a minute!. There might be something here, but I better validate all this." -- I spent several evenings laboriously checking the references in the back, of which there are hundreds. -- In a previous life I learned that often these references were either simply made up, or, if real, they didn't at all support the author's point. -- After verifying the first 40 or so, I stopped,.. figuring that it was a waste of time to keep validating valid references. -- This guy, Dr. William Davis, did his homework and he corroborates it all with the thousands of lives he has saved as a preventive cardiologist. Apparently his motivation is to get the word out and correct the criminal situation the govt is foisting on us ("healthy whole grains"). My own personal experience backs all this up. -- Try to imagine what it is like for me to be free of the intense headaches (several per week) I had for decades before this. No more headaches. It's so relaxing! I don't have to put up with constant side effects from hogging down aspirin all the time (tinnitus, easy bruising, slow healing, etc.) -- Think about how it is such a pleasure (and a huge safety factor when motorcycling or gyrocoptering) to be able to twist my head around to look at things over my shoulder. -- My neck used to make the sound of a turkey leg being ripped off a turkey on T-day -- Now I can simply turn my head way to the left or right easily because the chronic joint swelling and inflammation is GONE!! These are just a couple of the ways my life has changed. Here is a compilation: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Wheatfreeresults02-1.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/12 at 10:29:54 I believe that wheat allergies do exist and are widespread (though the degree of affliction varies greatly from person to person) and have been a factor for mankind always. I also believe that reducing refined carbs as a whole is a healthy change for most folks. I don't yet have reason to believe that wheat, in and of itself, explains all the ills often attributed to it nor that avoiding it alone will perform some of the magic sometimes claimed. I think it's more likely the overall reduction of refined carbs that makes the greatest difference. Many of the anti-wheat "studies" use doughnuts and such as their examples of wheat and the ills they cause. They often don't attribute any of the problems to the sugar, fat and other additives in such 'foods'. I've heard it said that this is akin to vegetarians citing studies on the effects of meat using Slim-Jims as the meat source. I hope that's not the case with this book. I'll circle back after I read it. That'll be sometime after I finish reading 'The Complete Sherlock Holmes Collection', 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', 'Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free' and 'Bobby Singer's Guide to Hunting'. I'll probably try to squeeze it in before 'The Deceivers: Allied Military Deception in the Second World War' and 'The Road to Wellville'. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 02/16/12 at 10:38:52 5C6E796E686A505D606D0F0 wrote:
I doubt you've read any anti-wheat studies. I've been researching this issue quite a bit for months now, and I haven't found any, let alone any that use donuts. I have found studies, as referenced in the book, that examine all kinds of things, and, as a result, have some surprising findings about how unhealthy wheat is. Maybe that is what you mean by an anti-wheat study. I'm looking forward to your assessment of the book. It'll only take a few evenings for you to get through it. (the first time) BTW, you can download it as a Kindle edition for $9.45 from Amazon. If you don't have a Kindle, you can download kindle apps for your smartphone or any computer for free. Here's a parting thought. If you buy the idea that blood sugar spikes are harmful,.. consider this: two slices of whole wheat bread cause a blood sugar spike more rapid and of greater intensity than a Snickers bar. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/12 at 10:41:24 Nook and Kindle apps on my phone. Got it for the Nook app for the same price from B&N. Only 290 pages, should be quick. I may hit it first. On the bread vs Snickers, if true, I am a bit surprised because of the sugar in the candy but not astonished. I honestly think the peanuts are likely the difference and a Milky Way would fare worse but that's just a guess. I guess I could test in on myself and look at my blood sugar but no thanks. I prefer a handful of almonds or pistachios. Actually, I prefer several but have learned to limit myself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/12 at 10:37:45 learned to limit myself. Im not sure yet, Im still thinking, but theres a chance I may hate you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 02/17/12 at 13:19:48 Heh, I had to learn to limit myself. Once I found out just how much better my knees and ankles feel at 175 instead of 230. I just try to keep it between 165 and 175. The latter part of December I'm often closer to 180. The holiday season has everything from tamales to pie and I make sure to enjoy it, though maybe not as excessively as I used to. I dedicate January to getting it back under control. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/23/12 at 16:57:01 Any of you guys have loved ones with MS or epilepsy or other nervous system maladies? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 02/26/12 at 05:58:24 Here's another example. This stuff is popping up more and more often on the Wheat Belly Facebook page. This soccer player was figuring his achy joints were just an aging thing. That's what I thought too, about my joints, but then my joints got all better. I'm 65 and my joints feel like they did in my 30's. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/health/health/3911383/How-cutting-out-wheat-has-beaten-my-arthritis.html |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 02/26/12 at 09:17:14 033D362B262B26440 wrote:
My wife has M.S. I hope you're not going to try and tell me she will get better if she stops eating wheat! :o |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/01/12 at 07:54:33 4843434A4649485253270 wrote:
My wife has M.S. I hope you're not going to try and tell me she will get better if she stops eating wheat! :o[/quote] No, arty, I won't. I will tell you, though, that several folks have chimed in indicating wheat has widespread detrimental effects on the nervous system that affect people in widely different ways. Most MS and epilepsy and schizophrenia and ADD sufferers will see no benefit other than the kinds of things that have happened to me. Some HAVE seen improvements with nervous system situations, though. -- One lady said her kid with MS no longer has to use a cane -- One MS lady, over a period of months, went from using a wheelchair, to walking with a walker, to using a cane, to walking freely. -- A couple parents have said their kids no longer have epileptic fits -- Many parents say their kids' erratic behavior smoothed out a lot after not eating wheat for a few days. No more ritalin, for example. -- Believe it or not, dogs are affected by wheat as well. --- One owner of a dog that had frequent seizures stopped feeding his dog a high-priced grain-based dry food. --- They started feeding the dog whatever the family was having that day. --- The seizures stopped. -- A psychiatrist takes his patients off of wheat altogether, saying it greatly relieves mental problems (sometimes). No, I won't say it will cure your wife's MS. It probably won't. However, it has made a huge diff in a few cases. Even those who don't get cured can still escape all the other wheat-induced maladies. Dr. Davis has said he is continually amazed at the beneficial, but seemingnly unrelated things that happen with the removal of wheat from diet. He has said he has no idea what is going on with the improvements people are reporting in nervous system disorders, but it sure makes him happy, and he is anxiously awaiting the results of some study someone might do on this someday. Nervous system maladies take more time to respond than things like joints and weight loss. -- A lot of folks (the fatter ones) say they start losing several pounds weekly right at the start,.. unless they have a thyroid prob. -- Same with arthritis sufferers; some say within days their pain disappears. -- The Doc has said, though, that generally the tissues that have to do with nervous system function take quite a bit longer to repair or grow. Try it for a few months. Even if there is a one in a hundred chance of it doing any good, I would think you'd want to find out, anyway. Give it a shot! What could it hurt? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/01/12 at 08:31:13 I'm reading it along with a few others at the moment, so it's going slowly but I'm about half through the book. He has some interesting assertions, most specifically about how much wheat has changed, first through selective cross-pollenation and more recently through specific genetic engineering. His claims that wheat gluten has substances that act as "exorphins" (same as endorphins, but externally introduced into the body) which pass through the blood-brain barrier easily and contribute to a "wheat addiction" are also interesting. The author cites specific sources for most of his information though many are other books and papers whose underlying data may or may not be valid. There are so many it would be extraordinarily cumbersome to review all of them. I have checked out a number of the CDC and NIH references and they were valid but they only presuppose part of his assertions. I'm reserving judgment on the book until after I've read the whole thing and I'll probably give up most grains entirely for a while, just to see what it does for me. I already only eat high fiber cereals, no bread, etc. so it should be fairly easy for me. I'll also let y'all know what I experience with that, though I expect the largest part of the change is still in giving up foods with a high glycemic index. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/01/12 at 13:09:38 64564156505268655855370 wrote:
Wow. An intelligent and well-thought-out response. Refreshing. Very few folks who use these concepts for several weeks switch back. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. I was quite surprised at how many different things improved for me. I'm not diabetic, but many folks who do this for a few months return to non-diabetic status. Even if I had no improvements from lowered appetite, joint pain, weight loss, regularity, allergies, energy, sleep, brain fog, geographic tongue, heartburn, and blood pressure,.... I would never start eating wheat again because my constant headaches have just disappeared. Do you know how liberating, how joyous that is? For decades I had a few humdinger headaches every week. Since I stopped wheat, I have NO MORE HEADACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, I am really glad you will give it a shot. I'm really looking forward to see if you really do abide by the whole set of concepts, and,... if you do,... what kinds of improvements you experience. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/01/12 at 14:35:10 -- One lady said her kid with MS no longer has to use a cane -- One MS lady, over a period of months, went from using a wheelchair, to walking with a walker, to using a cane, to walking freely. They went into remission, which they would have done anyway. There are two types of MS- remissive, which most sufferers start out with. What happens is the body learns to use other nerve pathways to compensate for the ones that are damaged. When enough damage is done there are no healthy nerves for "backup" any more and the disease turns to progressive degenerative, which can have "cull-de-sacks" or periods when the disease does not get worse, but does not get better either. A lot of the "fad" treatments (bee stings, decompression, to name two) were praised as a cure, but the patient only went into remission. It has been argued that these fad treatments shocked the nervous system into using new pathways, that would have occurred naturally given time. The possibility exists that going off wheat might do this too. Some have an episode, go into remission, and stay there. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/01/12 at 20:26:29 555E5E575B54554F4E3A0 wrote:
So these were probably just coincidence, then. hmmm,.. that lady that was in the wheelchair for decades before getting off of wheat sure had some unusual timing, eh? After eating wheat/grains all her life, she just happened to go into remission at the same time get stopped eating WGC. The Lord sure works in strange ways. Let's assume both of these, and all the others I mentioned were all just coincidence, and that getting off of wheat only makes a difference in as little as 1% of the time. Maybe your wife would be the lucky one-percenter. Since trying it out is free, why not? Since there are no risks, why not? Since getting off of wheat and grains altogether has no downside and might help her in lots of other ways even if she isn't a one-percenter, why NOT TRY IT? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/02/12 at 08:29:00 I don't think he said they were purely coincidence, necessarily. If I read his comment correctly, systemic shock (such as that which may be observed with a major dietary shift) has been said by some to send it into remission. I know very little about MS myself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/02/12 at 08:33:20 Personally, my overall driving force in improving my health consciousness can be stated as follows... When I was younger, I doubted I'd live to middle age. Now that I am middle-aged, I don't want old age to suck - especially if I am ever able to retire. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/02/12 at 09:44:39 784A5D4A4C4E747944492B0 wrote:
Me either. I'm just relating some of the several comments seen from ecstatic parents. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/02/12 at 09:48:28 4775627573714B467B76140 wrote:
This is a HUGE factor for me as well. Retired now, I figure I only have a few decades left. I don't want them spent in a nursing home sitting on a bed pan. I want to be really alive and very well,... building things, flying strange aircraft, riding motorcycles, shooting IDPA, etc., for all of those decades. Wheat,.. and blood sugar spikes can ruin all of that. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/02/12 at 11:55:26 No more communion for you wheat belly guys that bread will get you in the end,If it don't the priest will. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/02/12 at 13:19:34 Guess it's good I gave up beer and bourbon for rum. Most vodkas are actually made from wheat. Very few are made from potatoes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/02/12 at 13:57:53 4C7E697E787A404D707D1F0 wrote:
Some red wines are not too bad for wheat belly purposes. If you are a beer guy, Redbridge is a reasonable compromise. It doesn't have wheat, but it is made from sorghum,.. a grain not nearly as evil as wheat. It has about 12 carb grams per bottle, so that is a factor as well,... best to consume a bottle or two on a day when you have been really tight with the carbs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/02/12 at 13:59:55 05372037313309043934560 wrote:
At our liquor stores there is one brand of potato vodka, Luksusowa, which is Polish, and one brand made from corn. (can't remember the name). The potato vodka tastes much better than grain vodka. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/02/12 at 15:35:10 545F5F565A55544E4F3B0 wrote:
At our liquor stores there is one brand of potato vodka, Luksusowa, which is Polish, and one brand made from corn. (can't remember the name). The potato vodka tastes much better than grain vodka. [/quote] I think Chopin is the only potato vodka I've tasted and it's pretty good. It's been a while since I've had any vodka though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/03/12 at 06:23:07 Have any of you tried Redbridge beer? It seems to be the least harmful, grainwise, of the thousands of beers out there. It is a little carby, but at least it has no wheat. I am not a beer aficionado, so I can't rule on whether or not it is a great beer, but my Double RYCA Build buddy Jud (who knows a lot more about these things than I) says it is not bad. It is widely available, it seems, since even Walmart carries it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/03/12 at 07:07:00 I would think any high quality beer made by a reputable brewer like Dogfish Head or Sierra Nevada wouldn't contain wheat unless it is supposed to be there, like in a hefeweizen or that 'Shock Top' Belgian white. There's also beer that complies with the German purity law, where the ingredients are limited to barley malt, yeast, hops and water. So just spend a couple extra bucks and get the Beck's. ;) I'll be dammed if I am going to quit drinking beer.. fortunately don't like wheat beer anyway. Or cheap beer where they sneak it in. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/03/12 at 07:38:55 I thought most beer started off with wheat. Shows what I know, eh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/03/12 at 11:50:20 http://switch2glutenfree.com/gluten-free-businesses/gluten-free-beer-reviews/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/03/12 at 15:57:45 Next time you order a beer, see if they have Stone IPA. It is made by the purity law and the hops will sock you right in the mouth. Delicious beer! :) I didn't know there's such a thing as gluten free beer, they somehow filter it out? Anyway, I guess people lump wheat and barley together since they both contain gluten. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/04/12 at 06:35:36 4D405A434A5B4E5D4B2F0 wrote:
All grains contain gluten. Wheat, barley, oats, spelt, etc. Wheat gluten has been getting a lot of notoriety lately because of celiac disease and the grain mega-businesses sense of money to be made. The bummer is that while there is all this attention on wheat gluten and a small percentage of the populace having a bad reaction to it, EVERYONE is intolerant to wheat and all the other grains to one degree or another,... and very little attention is being paid to it. Only the Wheat Belly mob, and maybe some of the Paleo groups are starting to get some notoriety and bring this tragedy to light. Celiac is widely known to be life-threatening. What is NOT widely known is that the other grains and their glutens can be life-threatening as well. -- Some folks have had their life-threatening athsma cleared up. -- Some have had their life-threatening blood pressure get back to normal. -- Some have had their life-threatening diabetes cured. -- Maybe it is not quite life threatening, but arthritis surely is life ruining, and many many folks over the past few years have had their arthritis either disappear, or even if they have already been disfigured, they've had their inflammation and pain minimized,.. being left with a sense of profound regret they didn't get off grains long ago. -- Some have had their life-threatening heart disease abated or cured. You can easily find out your intolerance to wheat and/or other grains. Just stop eating ANY of it for a month or two. Note the changes,.. sorta like an allergy test in reverse. -- I know of no one who has completely stopped all grains for a month to not note some pretty significant improvements. -- I do know of a lot of folks say they have given it a try, but all they really did was cut out one or two grains,... or they "cut way back." -- Cutting "way back" is like reducing your cigarette smoking from 5 packs to 2 packs a day. --- That is quite an improvement, but as far as your lungs are concerned, not much has changed. --- Same with wheat and other grains,... cutting way back does very little good since you are still ingesting all the nasty stuff contained in those grains. Sorry. Didn't mean to get on the soapbox again, but since I got into this back in October, I keep finding out more a more about it, and it is hard to not want to let everyone know about it,... how simple it is to make some huge improvements in your daily life and for your longevity. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/04/12 at 06:36:56 All grains contain gluten. Here are the various common grains, and their glutens: Wheat Gliadin Rye Secalinin Oats Avenin Barley Hordein Millet Panicin Corn Zien Rice Orzeni5 Sorgum Kafirin http://urbanposer.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-theres-no-such-thing-as-gluten_02.html |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/04/12 at 07:32:08 5769627F727F72100 wrote:
You have shown that some effects flip on and off like a switch, for example when the flour soup thickener inadvertently gave you a blind test and you had a headache in less than an hour. I think other effects (like roughness in my joints) are less dramatic, and more gradual and proportionate to the amount of WGC consumed. If it was an absolute on/off thing, I would not have seen any improvement, because I still eat corn and rice, and am not a teetotaler on wheat. The advice to give it a try "for a month or two" suggests that it takes time for the concentration of WGC to bleed down to where the experimenter will notice the effects. The lack of an exact prescribed time to try it suggests that the 'detox' period is different for different people, or at least that symptoms persist longer in others. Has any one on that facebook page gone 1.5 months and gotten near the end of their trial period, about to give up, then all the sudden BOING! WHOA!! X symptom went away! I'd look into it myself but I don't do Facebook. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/04/12 at 12:21:28 Aha!! I found something that might show a link between wheat and MS. This is from Dr. Mercola's website: Wheat contains amino acids "glutamic and aspartic acid, which makes them all potentially excitotoxic. Excitotoxicity is a pathological process where glutamic and aspartic acid cause an over-activation of your nerve cell receptors, which can lead to calcium-induced nerve and brain injury. These two amino acids may contribute to neurodegenerative conditions such as multiple sclerosis, Alzhemier's, Huntington's disease, and other nervous system disorders such as epilepsy, ADD/ADHD and migraines." Makes me wonder if this is why my headaches disappeared when I stopped eating wheat. Maybe this is why so many folks are relating that they or their kids are improving or eliminating their ADD, eplilepsy, MS, etc. Unfortunately this is not proof, just a possible link. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/06/12 at 07:39:56 Take it easy, Gyrobob... I'm sure you know that copper will poison the blood system. If you wear a copper bracelet, it will stain your skin green. Yet... how many people (teenage girls, mostly) wear copper bracelets? And.. what about magnetic bracelets ? Tattoos ? There's more to "neurodegenerative disease" than just eating bread or drinking beer... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/06/12 at 13:56:26 2E3326302022372C312A430 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/09/12 at 08:25:49 One of my Cherokee relatives just told me what the Native-American term is for vegetarian,... Lousy Hunter |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/09/12 at 10:30:21 I've worn a copper bracelet with magnets for 10 years,I really helps arthritis. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/09/12 at 11:05:47 03080D0D5756610 wrote:
My brother wore one of those too. He put it on his wrist on Monday, and died on Thursday. His widow took hers off right away. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/09/12 at 12:23:50 Monday in 1945 and Thursday in 2011. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/12/12 at 03:35:36 What really cracks me up (meaning, makes me smile) is that you guys can make a whopper of a case for the survival of the Human Species and turn it into a Vaudeville show... ;D ;D ;D ;D Love you guys ! Now, Gyrobob, pancakes and coffee ? C'mon, it's on me (if you can make it this side of the Ocean...) ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/12/12 at 06:24:18 I love pancakes. I have few really good recipes that have no wheat or grains in them at all,.. so,... there is no damage done to my precious bod like there would be from the blood sugar spike caused by wheat-contaminated pancakes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/16/12 at 11:30:11 Here's yet another link between brain problems and wheat. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201108/wheat-and-serious-mental-illness It's not absolute proof, just another nail in the coffin,... a link, so to speak. I wonder who eats more wheat, dems or repubs? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/16/12 at 11:40:19 Careful- careful!- you will get the thread moved to the tall table! ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/16/12 at 15:26:28 697461776765706B766D040 wrote:
For myself, I'm just trying to do what I can to slow down the rate at which entropy does its thing to me. When you're young, you're indestructible. Now in middle-age I'm trying to lessen how much old age could potentially suck. If I am ever financially able to retire, I would like to enjoy it and if I'm not financially able to retire, I'd like to be fit to work. I think the human race has proliferated quite well in the last 20,000 years (overall evolution for us is probably more like 2 million years but I'm sticking to homo sapiens portion). I know that some might even say like a cancer and that mother earth is trying to rid herself of us. I prefer not to pass moral judgments on the survival instincts of a species and I'm not sure I can quite swallow the macro-consciousness of planet but all that aside, I think we've adopted a lot of changes to both our dietary and activity habits over the past 20 millennia. Many of those changes have enabled us to survive in far greater population densities than could otherwise be supported (i.e. agriculture). However, I also think that some of these changes have introduced varying degrees of toxicity to us for which evolution has left us ill-prepared. If we let natural selection continue and did not change things at a rapid pace, evolution would just do its thing and the survivors would be better equipped... but we don't let natural selection work (we treat the symptoms with drugs and such and engender even more side-effects often ignoring root causes) and we change what goes into our bodies at a quick clip. Some of these changes are things most of us aren't even aware of, like just how much wheat has been modified by man in just the past half century. The flour in most of our foods is not what it was in WWII and is extremely different from what our ancestors have survived on for thousands of years. That in itself gives me pause. The question is whether we made it better or worse for us. The answer seems to be that we made it easier to grow more product and make it better tasting and easier to cook with but worse for our health. I think we're good at that. I can do much about the air I breathe but I can have a little more influence elsewhere. Thus, I read and try to decide what I believe and how to change. I haven't finished this book yet and won't pass judgment on it yet. So far though, some of the author's assertions make sense to me for humanity overall while others likely effect only a very small subset. I'm actually interested in trying flour and products made from Einkorn wheat (the original wheat), though I actually eat very few processed grain products anymore anyway. It sounds interesting and who doesn't like pancakes. And it'd take a lot to get me to give up my coffee. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/16/12 at 15:32:35 What food hasn't changed since WW2,All crops, fruit trees have fertilizers they didn't have then,Which also changes the meat we eat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/16/12 at 15:45:32 2B2025257F7E490 wrote:
Absolutely, we should be examining other food sources too. I don't think anyone said wheat was the only thing that has changed. I would venture to posit that wheat is one of the food sources that has changed the most (and in the shortest time-span) as well as being one of those that has been purposefully modified at a genetic level. Also, it constitutes an inordinately large portion of humanity's current dietary intake. I think that may be why this author focuses on it but I don't know that for sure. He might have been locked in a grain silo for days as a kid and never got over it; I just can't say. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/16/12 at 16:37:12 Wheat started off pretty bad, and then the scientists designed it to be even worse. It's easier and cheaper to grow, and, mechanically, it works better for baking. Be that as it may, wheat, and any other grain is harmful. There many new findings on this. I am one of the lucky ones that found out now so that I can live the rest of my life with many fewer problems than I had before last October. I just wish my parents would have known. I wish I would have known when I started making decisions about what food I would eat. It's a shame I didn't find out until I was 64. At least now I feel 44. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/16/12 at 17:00:09 As another real world example,.. my Boss, John, when I used to work at Delta, had some shoulder issues from when he was a kid in sports. -- He had to have some operations, and over the past few decades, his shoulders have been getting worse. -- The docs just kept telling him all he can do for the rest of his life is to take drugs for the inflammation pain. -- Six months ago, he couldn't move his right arm more than about 30 degrees away from his body. Enter Gyrobob. I gave John and a few others the Wheat Belly pitch. -- He even had a bit of a "wheat Belly" but I made no mention of that in the pitch! -- I did mention how many folks have reported startling improvements in arthritis pain. -- He decided to give it a shot. Last time I was at work (back in early Feb), he said, "I want to show you something." With a big smile on his face, he raised his right arm up and rested his forearm on top of his head. He said it was still really weak, and he probably would never be able to do anything needing much strength with it, but he said there were two huge improvements: -- range of motion, like he had just demonstrated -- complete disappearance of the pulsing pain that was with him 24/7 for years. He is a happy camper,... about like me with the disappearance of the humdinger headaches that I had had several times a week for decades. No, these are not "proper studies," but just anecdotal info. They are, though, more than coincidence, I suspect. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/16/12 at 17:50:55 This week my wife was getting some organic food at the local hippy food store (called "Wheatsville" actually :D ) and being an awesome person who actually listened to my ramblings about wheat experiments, found this pasta made from the ancient non-engineered strain of wheat, "Einkorn," as mentioned in the Wheat Belly book, a good sized box of pasta for $3.50. It is enough pasta to serve a family of 4. http://www.jovialfoods.com/whole-grain-einkorn-pasta So she cooked it up and I had me a big ol' heapin' helpin' of pasta (which I never eat, being pretty much off wheat on Gyro's advice) and hot diggity damm, no negative effects. No rough joints or anything. Cool, now I know I can have pasta now and then, with no ill effects. Of course it is still a starch and will zonk you out the same as regular pasta. Being used to a low-carb diet, I got real tired real fast. But for not much money, einkorn wheat steers you clear of any disadvantages specific to the modern "dwarf" wheat optimized for yield (not nutrition). Or for the experiment-minded wheat eater.. maybe try einkorn pasta one week, regular pasta the next week, and note any difference in how you feel. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/16/12 at 21:50:42 565B41585140554650340 wrote:
You did okay in spite of the einkorn, not because of it. It is still a grain, and still the worst of all grains. If you were to have taken your blood sugar one hour after you ate it, you'd be upset, because it creates a spike just like any other grain. Einkorn compared to modern wheat has the same relationship as filtered cigarettes to plain. Also, I don't know if this brand is the one mentioned a few weeks ago on the FB page, but one of the einkorn manufacturers calls his pasta einkorn the same way another maker calls his pasta spinach pasta. It is all plain old pasta with some einkorn (or spinach) added. One other factor,... Just because you didn't go into a coma doesn't mean eating einkorn is any better than modern wheat. Well,.. it would be a little better just because it is missing some of the bad stuff bred into it. But, it is still a grain, and will still create a blood sugar spike. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/16/12 at 22:12:27 Einkorn is nutritionally different from modern wheat too. More of its calories come from fat and less from carbs, so it has a lower glycemic index. Also, along with other early wheats like spelt and kamut, the genetic structure of its protein (gluten), is very different and is more hypoallergenic than the gluten in modern wheat. I'm sure its not 100% safe and if I had a life-threatening sensitivity to wheat I would avoid all varieties. But for most humans, limited consumption of the ancestral varieties is far less likely to provoke adverse reactions. It's just that it doesn't produce as large a crop in as many environments and the engineered wheat's gluten is better for baking lighter bread and pastries. It is still wheat though, and does still have a higher glycemic index than something like a sweet potato. Everyone will have different levels of sensitivity, so there really isn't a one-size-fits-all answer. Right now, the worlds population is, sadly, largely dependent upon wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/16/12 at 22:29:15 4270677076744E437E73110 wrote:
I agree pretty much with all that, except: 1. replace "is far less likely to provoke" in your fifth sentence with "will provoke fewer" 2. einkorn bread has a GI in the 60-70 range. A sweet potato ranges from the 40s to the 90s based on boiling or baking. Both are high GI. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 06:14:25 I checked the box, it is 100% einkorn. Also, pasta is the least 'spikey' way of consuming wheat. Something about the way they process it makes it slower to digest. I can't remember if that point is from the Paleo book by Robb Wolf or WheatBelly. Pasta gives your blood sugar a mellower ride, probably more like potato starch than bread. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/17/12 at 06:21:57 Whats this spike deal,I guess I never had one. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 12:14:49 000D170E0716031006620 wrote:
Pasta may not be the worst spiker (white rice, wheat cereals, and whole grain bread have that honor), but definately is in the blood spiking category. Most of the sites have it somewhere around 40 to 60. That means a plate full of spaghetti will take your normal blood sugar level of, say, 75, and more than double it in the first hour. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 12:26:24 Yes but if you'll refer to pages 26-27 in your books (children, ;D ) you will find that einkorn does not raise your blood sugar nearly as bad as regular wheat. Einkorn bread: 84 to 110 mg/dl Regular bread: 84 to 167 mg/dl So I figure a pasta made out of einkorn should be even mellower than what you get out of bread, nowhere near a doubling of your blood sugar. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 12:49:23 78756F767F6E7B687E1A0 wrote:
Could be,... could be,.. Buy a glucometer and find out for real. That's what I did. I wanted to see how much of a spike I got from various foodstuffs. It's interesting to see how your body reacts compared to the way all the experts claim it will react. I still look at the modern vs einkorn deal as similar to the plain cigarette vs filter cigarette deal. Switching from modern wheat to einkorn is an improvement, just like switching from plain cigs to filtered. Those "improvements" however, are miniscule compared to abstinence. BTW, the guy that wrote that book you quote so correctly says we should be striving for single-digit (or less) rises in blood sugar. Same with glycemic indexes,... no more than single digits. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 12:57:46 Wow, you bought a glucometer? :o Now I really wish you'd try re-introducing wheat and see what it does.. that would be interesting data. But we'll understand if you want to just keep with as healthy a diet as possible. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 13:47:17 5F616A777A777A180 wrote:
I agree the cig analogy is good insofar as you are talking about blood sugar.. einkorn is "less bad" but not ideal. But note in the same experiment, Mr. Davis had none of his usual wheat reactions like nausea and aches and pains. That seems to indicate that einkorn is as good as wheat-abstinance in some regards. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 13:54:22 5B564C555C4D584B5D390 wrote:
I am so impressed with how many flippin' ways wheat causes misery that would never ever start eating it again. It makes me cringe when I see my Granddots eat sugary cereals, because I know what they are doing to their bodies. I got them to try no wheat for a month. They lost weight and their acne cleared up within days and the littlest one (nicknamed "The Demon") stopped being a demon for a few weeks -- she was actually a pleasant little person for a while. At the end of the month they went right back to trix and zits and fits. I could shoot my Daughter!! I might eat some wheatcrap just for an experiment, sometime, though. A few days ago I did have a bowl of oatmeal sweetened with one teaspoon of sugar, and then logged the blood sugar spike from that. The readings I took are on one of the pics in this folder: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 14:00:55 2A273D242D3C293A2C480 wrote:
I agree the cig analogy is good insofar as you are talking about blood sugar.. einkorn is "less bad" but not ideal. But note in the same experiment, Mr. Davis had none of his usual wheat reactions like nausea and aches and pains. That seems to indicate that einkorn is as good as wheat-abstinance in some regards. [/quote] I'll betcha the fewer symptoms from the einkorn is just because of his particular bod having a less intense blood sugar spike with that paricular dose of einkorn. All blood sugar spikes are bad, whether or not you go epileptic or comatose or puky,.. I think it is a bit of a stretch to say, "That seems to indicate that einkorn is as good as wheat-abstinance in some regards." I'll wager you a loaf of grain-free bread that the Doc would not go along with that. He's the one that came up with the cig analogy,.. and in the FB traffic on the Wheat Belly page, he has made many remarks about the harm from einkorn (and Emmer, Spelt, and Kamut) being there,... not as evil as modern wheat, to be sure,... but still, because it is wheat, it is unhealthy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/17/12 at 14:05:33 6C617B626B7A6F7C6A0E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 14:09:17 4A414148444B4A5051250 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 14:26:07 This is incredible: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Bloodtest12Mar2012a.jpg You are getting a larger increase from oatmeal than Mr. Davis got from eating the modern wheat bread. Yes DO stay off all grains.. I would if I had your body chemistry. What do you think about the paleo-people avoiding dairy as well as grains? I see on another of your images, the 'Food Bar Chart' you place cheese in the healty category, and other dairy (I guess other non-milk dairy like eggs?) just below that. The paleo folks say eggs are all right, but that milk-based stuff has a profile of harm similar to grains. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 14:44:40 727F657C7564716274100 wrote:
All grains will cause blood sugar spikes. While oatmeal has fewer of the toxic nasties in it that wheat does, it does have its own gluten, AND it is particularly spikey. My current wife has a bowl of this sludge every morning,... she might as well be stomping on her pancreas with cleats. When I put that pic of the readings on the Wheat Belly facebook page, the Doc said had I not been such a big boy (6'3, 204) and had not been in very good shape, the spike could easily have gone over 200, as he has seen in some of his patients. Avoiding dairy is not a concern for me. I have lots. The person I consider to be the most expert in all of this (the Doc) says dairy is fine, as long as you watch the carbs. Plain, 2%, and skim milk are rather carby. I have all the butter, cheese, heavy whipping cream, etc, I want. It is tasty stuff, not very carby, and it has lots of healthy fats. Eggs are not considered dairy. They are poultry, which makes it okay for the p-word people. I guess cavemen would raid nests for eggs sometimes, eh? You stated, "Yes DO stay off all grains.. I would if I had your body chemistry." Not just MY body chemistry,..This spike is typical. 99% of all non-diabetics will react this way -- worse if they are blimps, not as badly if they are a 22 year old 140 lb 6' tall marathon runner. IOW, I'm an average guy, maybe a little healthier than the average 65 y.o. American male, but most folks having a bowl of oatmeal are slamming themselves with a nasty blood sugar spike. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/17/12 at 14:57:03 How many of you pipple have achy joints, or maybe even actual arthritis? I did. Don't no more. Here's a typical input on the Wheat Belly FaceBook page. It showed up a few hours ago. This lady is pretty thrilled with what happened to her. OK WB people, here is a flat out miracle: Eight days ago I went wheat free. Almost from the beginning, no hunger. Two days ago, I could stand up straight out of bed and walk to the coffee pot like a normal person (as opposed to whimpering pitifully and lurching and hobbling to the kitchen). Next day, even better, and I actually ran errands and got in and out of the car over and over and was STILL okay. I have severe arthritis of the knees and severe leg pain along with it, with a hideous stiffness that starts up in 10-15 minutes if I sit in a chair with my feet on the floor. -- It has been debilitating and so very depressing, imagining such a limited life. -- My doc recommended two new knees, but have to lose weight first. TODAY, I sat with my feet on the floor for almost 7 hours. I walked back and forth, covering about 50 yards, a dozen times or more. A couple of times, I got up and walked around without the crutches that are the only possible means of walking any distance. Now I'm home and able to walk in the house with minor pain. MINOR. This is truly unbelievable. Dr. Davis, thank you so, so much for writing this book. I've done low carb off and on for the last few years. Nothing has given me this kind of relief (darn those low carb pitas! :-) ... I am astonished, grateful, amazed, so, so happy. Note, she is more than just wheat free, she did the whole Wheat Belly thing: no wheat, no grains, no sugar. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/17/12 at 18:53:12 7749425F525F52300 wrote:
My wife does too, but she way out-exercises me and is 5 years younger.. will bury me for sure. I dodge oatmeal by not eating breakfast at all, just coffee for me thanks. Plus, oatmeal sucks. Well if it finally turns out that a yucky food is NOT good for you.. good! The idea that oatmeal is healthy is probably ingrained by virtue of its lousy flavor-texture-BLEHfactor. That and those damm Wilford Brimley commercials. He was kind of a fatass, come to think of it. Oatmeal: "It's the Right Thing To Do." :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_orj4-inTo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_B4-Nf6KyQ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/18/12 at 02:28:46 515C465F5647524157330 wrote:
Bouletard, it's not incredible, it's quite normal. First of all, you didn't tell us what you had for dinner the night before; Secondly, you didn't tell us what you did the day before, what you had for lunch, etc.; In other words, we do not know the levels of natural glycemia in your system for the entire 24-hour cycle before you had that oatmeal. Last, your glycemic cycle is quite normal! Source, my wife, who is a medical doctor, and her books. (Unless, of course, you have an ailment we do not know about...) The issue would be serious if your blood sugars spiked at 166 and stayed over 150 for the rest of the day... ... but I can clearly see that by 10:30 they had "normalized" to 116 and by 11:00 you were down to 112. What do you expect? Now, let's look at things from another perspective, that of dietary standards. 1) The typical US diet is rife with excess sugars, be they from soft drinks (and let's avoid the "sugar-free" issue of cancerous aspartame...) 2) The typical US diet is rife with excess sugars, because you include sugar in wheat prodicts like bread; sugar is absent from bread in Europe; 3) The typical US diet is rife with excess sugars, because you find sugar derivatives and extracts just about anywhere except in fresh meats (read the ingredients in burgers or hot dogs, not to mention some beers); 4) The typical US diet is rife with unhealthy fats, be it palm oil, soybean oil, or linseed oil; just read the list of ingredients in "spray cooking oil" or "frying oil", and ask yourselves why the average middle age oriental (in the Orient, not in the US) is plumper than his/her European counterpart; 5) In the US, in order to keep bread "soft and fresh" alcohol-based preservatives are used; these preservatives are banned in Europe. Hence, a hamburger bun will keep fresh for well over a week in the US, but become crumbly, then stale in Europe after a mere 48 hrs. All in all, I have noticed the average family of the US Military come to Europe with a certain "life style" and dress size, and leave a few years later a few sizes slimmer. That's all the evidence I need. PS Gyrobob, I really enjoyed reading the red ink caption of that lady who could actually SIT with her feet on the floor for a full 7 hours !!! How much does she weigh? Nothing below 400lbs, I presume... Else, if it's a circulatory disorder, it has nothing to do with carbs and a LOT to do with pregnancies, dietary habits and hereditary traits. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/18/12 at 09:21:53 6D7065736361746F7269000 wrote:
Maybe you are confusing my health/diet/blood sugars with Gyrobobs.. I don't have a glucometer and those are not my readings. What I found incredible is that he got them from oatmeal, a supposedly slow-to-digest grain pitched as easy on your system: http://www.whole-body-detox-diet.com/healthy-oatmeal.html Quote:
So when Gyrobob tries a typical, 1-cup serving and it raises his blood sugar more than Mr. Davis got from one 2-slice serving of bread made of faster-digesting wheat flour, that seems to indicate that Gyro ought to stay off oatmeal. Wheat was probably making his blood sugars go excessively high for many years. For him, there might be more difference between einkorn and dwarf wheat than there is between dwarf wheat and oatmeal. I realize their age, pancreases, health etc. are not exactly the same, which is why I'd be very curious to see Gyrobob try it with the wheat bread. But of course don't expect him to endure headaches and other symptoms just to generate some data for us yay-hoos on the internet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/18/12 at 13:17:59 A few observations... The author's diet is almost precisely an Atkins diet. It looks like the Paleo diet with dairy added, except he stresses limiting dairy intake except for cheese. There is one grain that should not spike blood sugar: flax seed. I would guess (and it just a guess, based on the way our bodies react to other substances) that someone who subsists on an extremely carb-limited diet would react to the introduction of carbs more than someone who regularly takes in these types of carbs, even in limited amounts. In other words, when you quit drinking for a while, you become a lightweight because your tolerance decreases substantially. Essentially, your body is dropping its guard because it's not being subjected to exposure on a regular basis. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 03/18/12 at 14:30:52 Yep, paleo seems like WB 'and then some' as in, no milk based products. I think there are a couple of restrictions in WB that are fine in the paleo diet. Mr. Davis outlines how you should generally avoid acidic foods, because your lifetime "acid load" will erode your bones and eventually give you osteoporosis as your body tries to regulate pH. So I guess many acidic fruits (oranges, grapefruits.. citric acid) are bad. I'll just continue to eat citrus and plenty of cheese to neutralize it. That is a good point about the overall low-carb diet. Perhaps Gyrobob has lost his tolerance for carbs and now his pancreas just needs more exercise! ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/19/12 at 01:02:30 7F72687178697C6F791D0 wrote:
Maybe you are confusing my health/diet/blood sugars with Gyrobobs.. I don't have a glucometer and those are not my readings. What I found incredible is that he got them from oatmeal, a supposedly slow-to-digest grain pitched as easy on your system: http://www.whole-body-detox-diet.com/healthy-oatmeal.html Quote:
So when Gyrobob tries a typical, 1-cup serving and it raises his blood sugar more than Mr. Davis got from one 2-slice serving of bread made of faster-digesting wheat flour, that seems to indicate that Gyro ought to stay off oatmeal. Wheat was probably making his blood sugars go excessively high for many years. For him, there might be more difference between einkorn and dwarf wheat than there is between dwarf wheat and oatmeal. I realize their age, pancreases, health etc. are not exactly the same, which is why I'd be very curious to see Gyrobob try it with the wheat bread. But of course don't expect him to endure headaches and other symptoms just to generate some data for us yay-hoos on the internet. [/quote] :o My apologies, I simply read the post where you inserted the six pictures of a glycometer and assumed they were your own readings. But the considerations are still valid. Anyway, the sugar spike is not due to the oatmeal, but to the sugar used to sweeten the cereal. May I suggest an experiment: 2 people, one who has fully embraced the "Wheatbelly theorem" and one who rejects it. Possibly same sex, age, build, same state of health. May I suggest you start on Friday evening and finish on Sunday morning. Take your sugar reading in the evening just before dinner, then have exactly the same dinner. Then take your sugar readings 1, 2, 3 hours after finishing dinner, along with heart rate and blood pressure. (Too bad we can't check our cholesterol in the same way...) Do NOT have anything else to eat, other than water, until breakfast. This is to ensure you are at the starting point for the experiment the next day. Then have a one-day cycle (WB, non-WB) cycle, taking care the two individuals should also carry out exactly the same daily routines, i.e. burn the same calories doing the same chores at the very same hours of the day. Every 60' take a sugar reading. Have your WB Vs. "normal" meals, drink your traditional drinks, and not down your readings from [Friday evening] to [Sunday morning]. Then compare them. Then consider this: Having low sugar levels means nothing if you can't relate them to your activities and your protein and cholesterol levels in the bloodstream. Ask any trainer, any professional baseball or football coach [better still, any soccer or basketball or wrestling coach!] if he would ever recommend a carb-free diet. They would smile and shrug and walk away. The blood, the system need sugars. They are what the body relies on for any anaerobic effort, which goes from getting up in the morning to standing up from a sitting position to sprinting to catch the subway. (Or kickstarting a stalled bike... ;) ) Protein are fuel for aerobic effort, such as a mid-long distance run. Then the fats kick in. You already burned your sugars in the initial 1/4 mile. One last comment: "Paleo"... to claim stone age man only ate protein is a false myth, go to any museum and see the stone hand mills used to grind grains to make flour. Find me ANY modern day "paleo" tribe and I will easily point out that, whle they may not have ovens or wheat flour, they still bake/roast yams over an open fire or under the coals. I know, I've seen them do it (and done it myself). Even hunters will send off their women to comb for vegetables. :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/19/12 at 05:25:09 mpescatori, there may be a wheat belly theorem about the damage done from wheat and grain-related blood sugar spikes, much as there is a Copernican theorem about the earth revolving around the sun. The reality in both cases is undeniable. You can make all the noises you want about how lovely grains are,... Dr. Davis, in real life, is saving lives by getting his patients off of wheat. He, and other cardiologists, have two basic options.... I'll call them old Dr. Davis, and current Dr. Davis.. ODD and CDD. -- ODD is the conventional wisdom Dr Davis was taught in med school AND what he used for many years in his practice. "Healthy whole grains," FDA approved diet, and drugs like lipitor to combat the heart disease, and host of other drugs to combat diabetes and arthritis and blood pressure, etc. -- CDD is Wheat Belly. No wheat/grains/sugar,. and moderately low carbs to keep blood sugar spikes low. This is the regimen, over the years, he started using when he got frustrated over having to do bypass operations, drug therapies, and having patients die. For most of his patients (usually with various combinations of arthritis, blood pressure problems, and diabetes as well) coming in for heart problems, once they get on the wheat-free regimen not only do their heart situations improve, these other afflictions abate or disappear altogether. No grains, no pain. There are so many examples of faulty thinking in your posts advocating grains, I would have to do a 1,000 worder here, just to accurately shoot them down. One of the properties of wheat addiction (no kidding) is brain fog. Maybe that is what's dulling your thinking. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/19/12 at 05:55:12 Gyrobob, I do not recall insulting anyone, nor calling them dull. So much for being a gentleman and trying to discern fact from fad. I insist on keeping hushed tones and not calling anyone names. Here's a few facts. On my mother's side, my family originates from Trieste, which, until 1918, was the Austro-Hungarian Empire's one seaport to the Adriatic Sea and to worldwide commerce; I come from generation after generaiton of medium-high level civil servants, school teachers and Magistrates. They all enjoyed a protein-rich diet with plenty of red meats and all that the well-off middle-class could afford (and they could!) as opposed to the local peasantry. They boast an alarming rate of heart desease and deaths due to heart failure. On my father's side, they all come from generation after generation of seamen; fish, not read meat, was their source of protein, along with unleavened crackers and whatever fruit the season brought. Some of the women in the family would marry a farmer, who would often be better off than a seaman; a storm can ruin your crop but never wreck your house, whereas boats can sink and husbands die at sea. I have seen all those people live to be a healthy hundred and older, yet their diet was based on freshly ground flour, wine, cheese and fish - little money for read meat unless you slaughtered a pig - and then only once/year. So much for so much. I insist, it is a matter of culture. Europe can be divided into two areas: - the Mediterranean (and Black Sea) area where agriculture plays a major role to produce food, - the Germanic/Scandinavian area where hunting/breeding/fishing were the major source of food. Now leaf through any history book and see which Peoples produced the most culture, from the Liberal Arts to the Codes of Law, from Medicine to Architecture. The go see how India and China have been great through the ages, and how they fed their people on rice and other grains. The same applies to the North American natives, it was those who had mastered agriculture (such as the Seminoles) who were most advanced; others, such as the Sioux, would follow bison herds bot technologically were no better than European Neolithic Man in 2000BC . I again kindly ask you go to inquire with any medical doctor who looks after major professional sports players (there must be a "something-ball" team in your area?) and see the amount of carbohydrates they have in their diet. LAST, discern between "eating carbohydrates" and "The Mediterranean Diet" (also known as the Greek Diet) See the composition of carbohydrates (and their source) of protein (and their source) of fats (and their source), see the composition of meals depending on the time of day (you DO know that your metabolism changes with the time of day, and what provides 100 calories in the morning may provide half, or twice as much in the evening?) see the average HDL and LDL (cholesterol) in the FDA-approved tables as opposed to French, Italian or Spanish government tables, ... and ask yourselves why the average Italian "fatso" still lives to be 100... (Me, I admit I'm 5'6", 200lbs but my cholesterol and sugar are well within the limit) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/19/12 at 07:22:31 I never insulted anyone either. I don't understand why you are bringing insults into this. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/19/12 at 08:52:55 7648435E535E53310 wrote:
I don't understand this tit for tat. I don't enjoy teasing you for the pleasure of reading your reaction, I am simply presenting my thoughts to the Forum. I am not in the habit of prodding for pleasure. Whereas I do realize you'd be happier by torching anyone who doesn't share your opinion, I consider myself a free-thinker - hence, I defend my right (and my heritage) to a healthy and balanced diet. I still have to understand how you can consider "balanced" a diet which has chopped away 50% of its available source of food. It's like pushing to build homes in lumber, disregarding brickwork. The 3 Little Pigs should have left their mark there somewhere... ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/19/12 at 09:56:08 If I say you are wrong about something, it is a comment, not an insult. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/19/12 at 11:56:36 With regard to Paleo, the idea with that one is that we should be eating what our pre-fire ancestors ate. It's been a long time since school and I haven't looked it up so I can't say whether man had harnessed fire before the end of the paleolithic era. In any case, that's the originator's reasoning for naming his diet as such. In general all fruits and vegetables should be raw though he made the allowance for cooking meat. Dairy (other than human) was out and that stopped when you were weaned by your mother. As I recall, some plant-based foods were limited to small quantities or left out entirely because, in their uncooked form, they were largely indigestible or caused gastric distress. These would include grains, legumes, corn, potatoes, etc. The diet was intended to be largely plant-based but also included lean meats. Fatty meats are excluded because the "cavemen" ate meat from wild game which was rarely fatty. I've read some other more recent additions to this that advocate lots of low impact activity instead of lesser amounts of high impact activity (i.e. lots of walking, swimming, etc. and less high-cardio aerobic workouts). The idea is based on the theory that we evolved generally as nomadic hunter-gatherers where many hours of walking and general activity occurred each day and only occasionally did we exert extreme amounts of energy. As an aside, and simply something I found interesting is that our lack of fur and ability to sweat to shed body heat enabled us to also become long-distance runners who could fell prey by basically wearing it down until its own body heat caused it to collapse. Those were steady, paced, long distance hunts carried out by a group of hunters rather than an individual to keep the prey on the move. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/19/12 at 12:36:29 Paleolithic man had fire. It enabled him to cook meat to make it safer to eat (kill the parasites), and to smoke and dry it to make it last longer. Some (most?) vegetable matter is much easier to digest if it is cooked. We know they had fire from the remains of fire "places" found at paleolithic living sites, and because they would have needed torches to paint cave walls, and they also used charcoal as a pigment. They had cooking utensils as well. A tightly woven basket was filled with water and cooking stones, which had been heated in a fire , were placed in in the water to make it hot. If the stew got cold they would put another hot stone in it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/19/12 at 14:17:09 666D6D646867667C7D090 wrote:
That being the case, Dr. Loren Cordain, Ph D apparently misnamed his system/approach. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/19/12 at 14:58:14 1022352224261C112C21430 wrote:
That being the case, Dr. Loren Cordain, Ph D apparently misnamed his system/approach.[/quote] Apparently. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 03/19/12 at 16:25:00 "ScienceDaily (Dec. 17, 2009) — The consumption of wild cereals among prehistoric hunters and gatherers appears to be far more ancient than previously thought, according to a University of Calgary archaeologist who has found the oldest example of extensive reliance on cereal and root staples in the diet of early Homo sapiens more than 100,000 years ago." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091217141312.htm Paleo my arse... Now,.. go eat a sandwich...:-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/19/12 at 17:03:19 paleo schmaleo,... doesn't have much to do with this thread, anyway. The big deal here is how many ways folks are helped by getting off of wheat. This is not part of some nutritionists scheme to coin some terms for a new diet to sell a lot of books and goofy meals. This Doc has saved thousands of lives with this in his work as a preventive cardiologist. Along with that, he discovered the fortunate side effects of greatly reducing (sometimes eliminating) arthritis, diabetes, blood pressure probs, skin probs, etc. Oh, by the way, most folks lose weight with this scheme as well. All by just ceasing the consumption of wheat and any other grains,... and sugar. The tangential discussion of what some caveman ate doesn't amount to much when: -- You now don't have to go in for that bypass operation -- Or when you can now walk without crutches -- Or you no longer have to take all those evil drugs to control diabetes or cholesterol -- Or (like me) you are liberated from the pounding headaches you had for the past forty years. Someone can start up a p-word site if they'd like. I'll even post a few comments there just for grins. Lord knows, there are a gazillion p-word sites out there already. They don't have much to do with Wheat Belly, though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 03/19/12 at 18:34:10 Yes,.. now that the entire theory of the "Paleo" diet is in the toilet... Dr.WB can call it what it is... It's yer' basic Hollywood beefcake diet... Stars of movies like "300", Troy, "Immortals", etc... do these high protein, low carb, diets, along with hiring personal trainers to get ripped for their "Swords and Spears" type roles... And it works well for that,.. but, they don't stay on that diet. When the movie is over, it's back to the food pyramid and a healthy balanced diet that includes grains... Weightlifters look great, but they aren't that healthy... they usually die kinda' young... I know you won't but it, Gyro... but maybe some others will... Pretty good way to loose some body fat, if you need that.. but not a diet to live on... For that, stick with the four food groups and the nearly universal recommendations of nutritionists world wide... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/19/12 at 19:01:54 I'm the one that said p-word didn't matter, not the Doc. And, I didn't say much about it other than that it does not apply to the purpose of this thread. All I am trying to get done is to make folks aware of the harm, deep bodily harm, done by wheat and other grains. If this were just a theory, an assertion, it would be easy to blow off. I thought it was just that when I first found out about it. Being the sceptic that I am, I spent a long time researching,.. getting past the hype and assertions. This guy is on to something. He walks the talk as well, putting his whole career, his livelihood on the line by doing this,... bucking the omnipotent organizations like USDA, FDA, AMA, ADA, etc. He also puts his patients' lives on the line as well. That is what drove him to publicize this. -- He looks back on his early career and feels like, with the best of intentions as a Doc, he killed people. -- He did what he was taught to do, like all the universal nutritionists. -- People died. They died as usual, succumbing to the universal nutritionists' approach. -- When he woke up, found out about wheat, and changed his practices, people lived. -- Not only did they live, their quality of life was MUCH improved with the improvement in or disappearance of arthritis, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, etc. Your four food groups, that universal nutritionists approach, and the nanny state's misguided ideas and subsidies, and agri-mega-business, are killing people. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/20/12 at 06:28:19 0D3338252825284A0 wrote:
The point was that, regardless of the name, the diets are extremely similar. I find the WB diet to be nearly identical to the Atkins diet, but with a more thoroughly constructed rationale. Of course, it's now 40 years since Robert Atkins developed his diet and newer technology allows for more accurate analyses. Since this thread is based on an extremely carb limited diet, comparisons to preexisting diets which are extraordinarily similar are obvious and natural and therefore would be expected to be in the thread. Honestly, the only real difference I see with WB is the explanation/reasoning for it... not the diet itself. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 07:25:58 Quote:
Yes, there are some similarities. In fact, for some folks who I knew would never take the trouble to study this stuff (and I knew they had a passing acquaintance with Atkins), I would refer to WB as Atkins with no grains,... just so I could either depart or start discussing something else. With WB, the avoidance of grains, especially wheat, is not a perfunctory difference. It is HUGE. Taking wheat (and all other grains) out of the diet altogether separates the two schemes by miles. Also a significant difference between the two is how easy it is to stick to the system. See the appetite bullet below. -- Atkins is mostly just low carb,.. which is a good idea, very healthy, and so forth. I did Atkins properly, starting in 2003. I averaged about 50 carbs daily for nearly a decade. Lost some weight, fixed up a blood yeast problem, enjoyed it overall,... but it required constant self-discipline and will-power, which, I will admit, became a habit after a year or two. -- By "outlawing" any wheat, and most grain intake, WB goes way past low-carbing by removing all the toxic and addictive effects of wheat. I know this is just one anecdotal case, but I know personally how this works. I did it. I went from low-carb with wheat/grains to low-carb sans wheat/grains and had a set of life changes I never thought possible. --- Appetite noticeably diminished. Hunger pangs gone. Apparently wheat really does have appetite stimulants in it. This effect here is what makes this system so much easier than Atkins. No self-discipline required. Will-power is not necessary. You are truly liberated from the constant distraction of worrying about and planning bkfst, lunch, and din din. --- Joint pain and stiffness markedly reduced. I ride motorcycles and fly gyrocopters,.. the ability to crank my head around in traffic to look for other traffic behind me (like I did in my 30's) is huge. Also, I can now squat down to work on something for a while, putting a load on my knees, ankles, and lower back, and pop right back up again. No popping, creaky joints. --- Lost some weight, 12 lbs. Now 204 lbs on a 6'3" bod. From less appetite maybe? Burning fat instead of carbs? --- No more pounding violent headaches (this after 40 years of several of these brutal headaches per week). --- Tinnitus diminishing (I'll admit this might be from not taking aspirin anymore). --- Bruises and cuts heal faster, but, again, this might be from no more aspirin. --- After decades of inconsistent fecal combat (up to and including IBS), I now enjoy a serene, gentle, and tidy regularity. --- No more allegra, since allergy symptoms have abated. Sinuses are much more open now. --- Skin problems way better. Some previously itchy/scaly areas (elbows, nose, ears, heels) are smooth now. No more fingertip cracks. No more metal rashes,.. after three decades of not being able to, I am wearing a wedding band again. --- More stamina/energy. --- No more melatonin, sominex, etc. Now when I hit the sack, a few minutes after my head touches the pillow, I am out. --- No more caffeine required in the morning. This newfound energy level has replaced my need to get the brain started after waking up all groggy. --- No more geographic tongue. Look it up. It's icky. --- No more heartburn. Good-by tums and tagamet. --- Blood pressure decreased from pre-hypertension to around 120/75. Anyway, the biggy here is all these benefits are the result of low-carb WITH wheat/grains changing to low-carb WITHOUT wheat/grains. Life is better now. I am not diabetic, but on the Wheat Belly FB page, over the past few months, there have been many (50?) people explaining how after a few to several months of wheat-free, grain-free, sugar-free, low-carb living, they are literally not diabetic anymore. Use whatever labels you want and compare it to any other schemes,... Atkins, p-word, Weight Watchers, whatever,... The big deal here is what happens to folks when they do these five simple things: 1. no wheat 2. no grains 3. no sugar 4. Low, consistent, moderate carbs (40 to 70 daily for the average person) 5. Moderate (or more) exercise. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/20/12 at 09:05:13 I'm considering trying it, though I'm not sure just how much difference I'd notice. I have been doing Weight Watchers for 5 or 6 years now and it is very simple to adhere to. I have been below my goal weight for years. I am not diabetic, rarely have headaches, etc. I have few maladies I would hope for it to alleviate. My knees and ankles got a lot better due to weight loss. My biggest complaints are some repetitive stress issues and some neck and shoulder pain because I work at a computer all day, don't take enough breaks and have developed poor habits regarding posture. I'm working on fixing those. I tried vegetarianism for most of 1988 and part of 89 and decided it was for rabbits and sheep; not me. I never regained my prior taste for beef after that though. It has nothing to do with any moral stance on animals or such; beef just rarely tasted as good to me afterward. I stick to mostly fish and poultry with the occasional beef or pork dish. I did Atkins for a few years about 10 years ago, lost weight and felt great. Maybe I see Atkins as so similar because I abstained from all grains, legumes and tubers when following it. For me it was just simpler to stick to the plan that way. It's difficult to compare then and now though. I was ten years younger and practicing martial arts 4-5 days a week. While I like plain Greek yogurt with a little cinnamon added and occasionally eat cheese, I don't like milk. I use unsweetened almond milk instead. Still, Dr. Davis makes some compelling arguments and I am considering giving it 3-6 months trial. Between all else, I still haven't finished the book yet and I will definitely do that first. I must admit, it's excellent bedtime reading. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 09:46:12 0C3E293E383A000D303D5F0 wrote:
Wow!! Sounds like you are 90% there already. It won't be a drastic change for you at all. I, too, use unsweetened almond milk. The unsweetened unflavored kinds (either Silk brand or Almond Breeze brand) have near zero carbs,... 1 per cup I think. My own personal technique is to put 1/4 cup of heavy whipping cream in a 1/2 gallon of the almond milk. It makes it a very close copy of plain old milk,.. which I like a lot. I'd really like to see you give it a shot. It sounds like you have a deep enough understanding of and experience with these things to do an accurate job of the Wheat Belly system, rather than so many folks that go through some of the motions, but still have to have their morning bowl of shredded wheat, so to speak. Please keep me posted. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 03/20/12 at 10:20:46 Here's a story about an atypical body builder... http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/mr-universe-1952-turns-100-credits-healthy-lifestyle-140401391--abc-news.html |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/20/12 at 11:13:12 Just had a long talk with my wife's dietician. The grist (pun intended) of the conversation was: yes the palio, Atkins, and wheat belly diets, along with exercise, will help you lose weight. Most people who do these diets for a while and then adopt a healthy eating and exercise regimen will keep most of the weight off. For a normal person to stay on any of these diets for a considerable length of time, or indefinitely, is detrimental to your health, as they are not considered to be a healthy eating regimen, and cause damage to various organs. She had read a synopsis of the book, without all the "praise the lord god Davis, I'm saved" BS and had come to the conclusion that it was just a twist on the Atkins diet. As to the claims that it cured all manner of things, including MS, her comment was "That's a crock." I enjoyed talking to an expert about this stuff, and it reinforced my gut (again pun intended) feeling about the whole issue. ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 12:04:37 515A5A535F50514B4A3E0 wrote:
She's obviously just parroting the standard crock she was taught, which is the same crock spewed by the FDA, USDA, Monsanto, etc. A very telling thing is how she said that curing all manner of things is a crock. I'd like to see her say that to the lady a few days ago who now is probably going to get to keep her toes, or the parents whose kid no longer exhibits any epilepsy, or the lady who had a lifetime of debilitating MS and within a few months gradually moved from a wheechair to crutches to a cane to being fully ambulatory. I guess your "expert" would just say those things didn't happen, eh? I wouldn't be surprised for such an alleged expert to do something like that. Paradigm paralysis is very real thing. If I had a conversation with her and I told her of all the things that had just happened to me when I made only one change in my diet,.. no wheat,.. she'd say something to show how it had nothing to do with wheat but with something else, probably. Or,.. that it was all in my head. She is of the same mindset of the USAF eye doc I talked to one time when I wanted a prescription for +.5 glasses. He said I didn't need them, I needed minus glasses. I told him what had happened to me in college when, on the advice of a vision therapist, I started wearing plus prescription glasses for studying and my vision went from 20/240 to 20/30 in a matter of weeks. He looked at me with a straight face and actually said, "that didn't happen." That thing that didn't happen allowed me to get into the USAF and fly F-4s. How do you deal with someone like that who has paradigms so strong that can not see what is right in front of their face? Your dietician is one of these types. "She had read a synopsis of the book." Give me a break! That statement says a lot. What it says is she knows very little about what is in the book. The fact that she would badmouth something she knows nothing about speaks pretty poorly of her as a source for any advice at all. If I were you, I'd go find somebody who cares about reality, rather than focusing only on her own limited and faulty training. If I were you, I'd be a little concerned about how you are denying you AND you wife the possibilities of vastly improved lives. Sometime, let's compare the books your "expert" has written to the books the Doc has written, and we'll go to the backs of the books and start validating all the references. It's a very telling exercise,.. tedious, but informative. The way they use the references, the conclusions drawn, and the credibility of the authors in those references can be a primary indicator of the value of what is in the book itself. That is how I vetted this Doc's book. If you'll give me the titles of the books your "expert" has written, I'll vet some of her references and see how well she does. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/20/12 at 12:13:49 Eat all foods just don't over eat and get plenty of exercise and you will be healthy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 12:16:01 52595C5C0607300 wrote:
Oh,.. Bill,... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/20/12 at 13:01:18 Again, I'm just a layman but I do read a lot and try to understand how stuff works. It just makes it easier to remember and make use of. As I understand it, the whole low-carb thing functions because of lipolysis and ketosis, which is what the body does in starvation mode by switching from a primarily carb fuel source to a fat source. When the body's glycogen stores are depleted, lipolysis kicks in and begins breaking down fat into free fatty acids which most of the body can use for energy. Protein is a building block and is only a last resort for fuel. The brain can't use fatty acids for energy so it gets the last reserves of glycogen when carb deprivation begins. This is why some people feel cloudy or sluggish until ketosis kicks in roughly 48 hours later. When the liver's glycogen store are depleted, it begins producing ketones, which help break down fats and assist lipolysis. Acetone is one of these "ketone bodies" and can be used by the brain for energy. One of the warnings in the Atkins books was to avoid anything that uses aspartame sweetener because it can cause liver damage when the body is in ketosis. I believe is has a warning about phenylketoneurics or something similar on products that use it. Definitely beware if you are severely carb-restricted. Another very salient point is that ketosis causes the body to be more acidic than it otherwise would be. The body uses calcium (or was it calcium bicarbonate?) stores to bring this back into balance, which can lead to calcium depletion and osteoporosis. That said, it's necessary to eat sufficient base foodstuffs to counteract the acidity of a body constantly in a state of ketosis. I noted Dr. Davis spoke to the need to counteract acidity to maintain pH levels and avoid calcium depletion in the bones but did not mention that the diet itself causes greater acidity. However, as I said in an earlier post, I haven't finished the book yet, so it may not have been omitted; I simply may not have reached that yet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 13:16:50 0C3E293E383A000D303D5F0 wrote:
Sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it. Ketosis, though, is just a symptom of lipolysis. In plain words (for bill) that means when the body is burning fat (lipolysis) for energy instead of carbs , it makes more ketones than usual (ketosis), which the body gets rid of in the urine, breath, sweat, etc. These excess ketones are more present when just starting into fat-burning. Keto-breath usually doesn't last all that long. Anyway, this is the crux of low-carbing -- burning fat because of a lack of carbs (makes you trim), instead of burning carbs and storing the fat (makes you obese). Yes, the Doc talks about the body being very aggressive about maintaining a ph balance of 7.4. Like you say, the body will start sucking calcium out of bones if it feels it needs to to maintain 7.4. This is one of the tragedies of teenagers drinking a lot of cola,.. dumping gallons of acid in their bodies. I remember reading in the book something about an increase in the numbers of bones broken in HS, and that cola-drinkers were twice as likely to have bone problems. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/20/12 at 13:50:30 I really should workout more I weight 2# more than I did when I got out of high school in 1957. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 14:05:53 [quote author=2D26232379784F0 link=1318163368/660#665 date=1332276630]I really should workout more I weight 2# more than I did when I got out of high school in 1957. :-[/quote] Good idea, bill. They say working out can help you think better. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 03/20/12 at 16:16:02 I work out 5 days a week for 1 1/2 hours at the ymca been doing it for 5 years,I does help you think better.I also ride bicycle 7 miles a day 7 days a week,I will lose that 2 pounds pretty quick now with the nice weather 80 now at 6 o clock.Just finished my second donut today. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/20/12 at 16:35:19 Ketosis is very hard on the kidneys. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/20/12 at 16:40:45 The Atkins diet has been around for 40 years. I wonder who, if anyone, stayed on it all this time, and what kind of shape their liver and kidneys are in ? :-? And Gyro, I am really glad WB is working out for you. You must be one of the many who are allergic to wheat. If I was allergic to tomatoes, and quit eating tomatoes, I would feel better too. However, you made your point many pages ago, and now you have taken it to the level of fanaticism. Just be happy and enjoy your new found health, and QUIT TRYING TO SHOVE YOUR FANATICISM DOWN EVERYBODY'S THROAT! I am sure I am not the only one with this view. :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 03/20/12 at 18:17:07 Art,.. if you ever get down to Tucson,.. I'll buy you a donut... Bill,... I'll have to get you two donuts... Gyro,.. can eat the baker,.. it's the only thing at Dunkin'Donuts that's allowed on the WB diet... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 19:34:46 2E25252C202F2E3435410 wrote:
It is not. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 19:35:25 7462756870656873070 wrote:
What's she look like? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 19:42:09 525959505C535248493D0 wrote:
If I participate in a thread I started, and discuss issues dealing directly with the subject matter of that thread, I would think that to be fairly normal. That hardly makes me a fanatic. If you don't like the issues discussed here, don't read this thread anymore. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/20/12 at 19:56:29 Quote:
There has never been a study that demonstrated that increasing protein intake damages healthy kidneys. Show me just one study!! Not assertions, not editorials, not quack dieticians,.. a proper study. They don't exist. In fact, a review published on the Nutrition & Metabolism site in September 2005 states that there is no evidence that a higher protein intake is a concern in this regard. In none of the studies conducted on the Atkins diet has there been evidence of kidney damage. However, people who already have severe pre-existing kidney disease often require a more limited protein intake along with regular monitoring of kidney function. People with diabetes are at risk for kidney disease. Not because of eating protein but because of the damaging effects of high levels of blood sugar. Controlling carbohydrates is a good strategy for improving blood sugar control in people with type 2 diabetes thus decreasing the risk of kidney complications as well as other complications of diabetes. As for liver health, there has never been any research showing liver damage from low-carb living. It is likely another theory that because Atkins allows a higher fat intake it will cause fatty infiltration of the liver. All of the studies done on people doing Atkins have examined liver function tests and have shown it to be safe. In years of clinical practice there has been no indication of liver damage. Many people have fatty infiltration of the liver as a complication of obesity. It is called non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It can become as severe as to cause serious complications. When treating people with elevated liver enzymes on a low carb plan it is common to see normalizing liver tests often within a short period of time, even before significant weight loss occurs. The liver and kidney damage from low-carbing is just hype,.. worthless, false, hype. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/12 at 21:41:00 313A3A333F30312B2A5E0 wrote:
Somehow, I*d be willing to believe that anyone who no longer had an interest would have simply stopped clicking on it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by kimchris1 on 03/20/12 at 22:58:46 +1 Personally I won't disagree with Gyro as I know from elimating certain foods the past 7.5 months has helped me lose 71 lbs. It also has helped me to feel better, have more energy and have a whole new meaning on life.. This combined with exercise has me feeling 20 years younger. Now who doesn't want to feel younger? And yes if your in disagreement, then simply stop replying to the thread. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/21/12 at 04:21:37 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
Somehow, I*d be willing to believe that anyone who no longer had an interest would have simply stopped clicking on it. [/quote] I did that for a while, but when he started in about how it cures MS I had to get involved again. It is NOT a cure for MS, just as bee stings and decompression, and enlarging the veins in the neck are NOT cures. To say it's a cure for MS is misleading, and absolute BS. THERE IS NO CURE FOR MS AT THIS TIME! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/21/12 at 06:05:48 2C27272E222D2C3637430 wrote:
Somehow, I*d be willing to believe that anyone who no longer had an interest would have simply stopped clicking on it. [/quote] I did that for a while, but when he started in about how it cures MS I had to get involved again. It is NOT a cure for MS, just as bee stings and decompression, and enlarging the veins in the neck are NOT cures. To say it's a cure for MS is misleading, and absolute BS. THERE IS NO CURE FOR MS AT THIS TIME![/quote] I never said there was a cure for MS. All I did was relate some anecdotal situations I had come across. I am the very first to wave the bullpucky flag when someone claims an individual event proves something for every situation. On the FB Wheat Belly page, over the past few months there have been several (maybe 10?) folks chime in with how they or their kids had situations relating to the nervous system markedly improve rather rapidly (for nervous system problems) for autism, epilepsy, and MS. Yesterday there was a lady that started a thread explaining how years of suffering from fibromyalgia (FM) has nearly stopped, and,... whadya know, it started to improve when she went wheat-free. What a coincidence! These are individual cases,.. not robust studies. Draw your own conclusions. They don't prove CURES for anything. I never said they did. They are very interesting, though, and they do make you want to check into it further. From my 20s up until last October I had freight-train sized headaches several times a week. -- I just learned to live with it. -- The Docs said, "too bad kid, that's just the way you are. Here, have some 1000 mg aspirin." -- If I would have read on the Wheat Belly page about all those folks who had their headaches disappear, I would have given it a shot just on the outside chance that it might work for me. -- Living with those headaches is an awful thing. You can't appreciate it unless you live it. -- Well, I got off of wheat for other reasons, but you can not imagine how much better my life is without those f***ing headaches!!!!!! They went away within about three days of no wheat. -- Reading about headaches disappearing on the Wheat Belly page certainly doesn't substantiate a cure for headaches. It does make a headache-stricken SOB think about giving their "solution" a shot, though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/21/12 at 06:15:58 You sure as h$ll implied it was a cure! Gyro- just for curiosities sake, have you ever had allergy tests done? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/21/12 at 06:48:31 737878717D727369681C0 wrote:
You may have inferred it. I never implied anything of the sort. Yes, I had allergy tests done a few times. -- They showed typical things like pollen, etc. None were drastic. -- My previous method was to pop a prescription Allegra before going out to rake or mow, etc. I don't have to do that anymore. -- Like the metal-on-my-skin allergy that disappeared last October (wheat free time), I apparently have no allergies now. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/21/12 at 07:56:25 Gyro take care of your self,I do believe you have one foot in the grave. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 03/21/12 at 12:11:06 Gyro, it's obvious you have an immune issue with wheat. You can't paint everyone with a single swath of a brush. I have absolutely no issues with wheat, I do limit the amount I consume of it. I eat from a wide variety of produce, grains, meats etc etc. It's wonderful that you have found the culprit in your ill health, but not everyone is as sensitive as you are. Plenty of Fresh Fruits and veggies is the key. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/21/12 at 12:29:12 Plenty of Fresh Fruits and veggies is the key. & finding Plenty of Fresh Fruits and veggies that havent bombarded with pesticides is the problem for me. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 03/21/12 at 17:38:03 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
Yup, there in lies the rub. I have a huge garden every year and try to jar a lot of what I don't eat fresh. With regards to pesticides, Herbicides and GMO crap, you do the best you can and what you can afford. Fresh fruit and veggies, healthy oils, lean meats, self-caught seafood and sparse processed foods for me. I can only control so much, and dabble with the Devil(chocolate) on occasion. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/21/12 at 19:35:58 797277772D2C1B0 wrote:
bill, are you off your meds again? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/21/12 at 19:47:17 0F2A2D2B2B3C26243177757474450 wrote:
I felt the same as you. I thought I was in great health. Blood numbers were good, weight was good, FAA physicals good, exercising regularly,.. I even looked healthy. I did not have ill health. I was "normal." If you would have asked me, "How's your health?" I would have said, "Great!" Then I got off of wheat and discovered all these improvements. When I ask you now, "How's your health?",.. you'll say "Great." If you were to get off of all wheat/grains/sugar for a couple of months you would be really surprised. Yes, you can paint everyone with the same swath. Everyone has vulnerability to wheat issues,.. just like everyone has vulnerability to smoking issues. I'm sure you know lots of smokers who seem quite healthy, but, along with that, I'm sure you would say everyone is harmed by smoking. You just think you have no issues with wheat. Just because you aren't in a coma doesn't mean you are not harming yourself with the blood sugar spikes. Strong folks can go for quite a long time seeming to get along fine with blood sugar spikes,.. and they have no concept of what they are doing to themselves inside,.. especially to the pancreas. Additionally, you haven't read the book. You don't have much credibility saying Dr Davis is wrong if you don't even know what he says. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 10:25:36 The past few days here in the Atlanta area, the pollen count has been setting startingly high records. Here's an excerpt from an AJC article: "Atlanta's count early Monday of 8,164 particles of pollen per cubic meter of air was more than a third higher than the previous record of 6,013, set on April 12, 1999, according to the Atlanta Allergy and Asthma Clinic, which tracks the misery level of the city's allergy sufferers. The major pollens present Monday were oak, pine, mulberry, sycamore, sweet gum and birch." Over the past few days I have been outside doing yardwork for an hour or two each day. -- Last year I would have been taking allegra, and being outside that long this time of year would have been an awful thing, with hours needed to get over the allergic reactions. It was bad even with allegra, but if I forgot to take it before I went out, mama mia!!,.. I would have literally been sick. -- This year, no allegra, record high pollen, and yet,.... no allergies. Not a sniffle. No rash. No headache. No raspy eyes. Maybe it's just coincidence. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 13:12:17 I did another experiment today. There have been claims made that two slices of whole wheat bread will give you a blood sugar spike exceeding that of a snickers bar. Well, here is the first half of that experiement: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Bloodtest22Mar2012.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/22/12 at 13:41:28 Looks good to me I guess the sugar is whats giving you the energy to work hard. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/22/12 at 14:11:07 You should not eat carbs alone. Eating carbs with protean (pb or meat sandwich, instead of just toast) will reduce the blood sugar spike dramatically. Eat your baked potato with a steak. Eat your potato chips with cheese dip. Eat your toast with an egg. Eat your french fries with a hamburger. Eat your rice with a pork chop, or stir fry. Drink your beer with pickled sausages, or pickled eggs. ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/22/12 at 15:59:22 4A747F626F626F0D0 wrote:
Man, you didn't have to do that.. we gotta respect you putting your money where your mouth is. Took a wheating in the name of science! :D Any symptoms like when you had the soup w/flour in it? So.. what to do with the rest of the bread... feed it to the ducks, or maybe your current wife isn't on board with the WB diet? Also, what size Snicker bar do you plan to eat for phase 2? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/22/12 at 17:01:30 Uh oh... anyone heard from Gyrobob lately? :-/ Newman GA: Motorcyclist and aviation hobbiest Robert W. Rominger passed away tragically today and will be sorely missed. Doctor and coroner William Davis was on the scene for immediate investigation. "I see this all the time, and it's never easy. Wheat poisoning. They fall asleep so peacefully, due to the high carb content and sedative nature of a seemingly benign piece of bread. But they don't realize the harmful effects of wheat until it's too late" he said. Mrs. Rominger was predisposed with grief and baking a large pan of bread pudding, but paused to comment that she had never expected Bob to go out in this way. "He seemed so healthy, so full of life! I was sure he'd outlive me if he didn't die in one of those goofy flying contraptions" she said. Robert is survived by his current wife, motorcycling friend and several unbusy internet acquaintences. He leaves behind two partially modified Suzuki motorcycles, his magnetless gyrocopter and a large stack of "Wheat Belly" books which he had planned to tie to little parachutes, then climb to a high altitude and drop them over Houston. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 17:21:47 363D38386263540 wrote:
Do you know what blood sugar is? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 03/22/12 at 17:25:11 ... but Gyro,.. you're blaming the wheat, when the second ingredient listed is sugar... I can see sugar giving you a sugar spike... I think that's why it's called a sugar spike... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 17:30:12 7B766C757C6D786B7D190 wrote:
Man, you didn't have to do that.. we gotta respect you putting your money where your mouth is. Took a wheating in the name of science! :D Any symptoms like when you had the soup w/flour in it? So.. what to do with the rest of the bread... feed it to the ducks, or maybe your current wife isn't on board with the WB diet? Also, what size Snicker bar do you plan to eat for phase 2? [/quote] I got a headache,.. the new kind I recognize as being different than the old freight-train jobs. It lasted about 4 hours, not four days like before. I think my atrial fib intensified a bit too, but that is a rather subjective assessment. I bought a standard sized Snickers bar a few hours ago. I saw they now have double-sized versions, but that might have been skewing the results a bit. The bread I used is the current wife's bread. She is strictly LFHC. I'm going to survive her by several decades. The unfortunate thing, though, is that her last decade or two will be spent as a vegetable in some home somewhere obliterating MY savings. I'll be free after that, though. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 17:31:14 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
What do you think carbs do when they get inside your bod? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 17:33:57 3833333A3639382223570 wrote:
Each one of those slices of bread has its own protein built in. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by heroicseven on 03/22/12 at 19:27:13 i dont like anything that is in the shape of a pyramid. specially our govts. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/12 at 21:12:22 7E7364797F756573607378160 wrote:
What pyramid? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/12 at 23:15:15 food |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/23/12 at 05:16:06 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
The food pyramid? If that is what you mean, I agree as well for two reasons. 1. All the govt food pyramids have wheat/grain propaganda. What they recommend is costing us $billions in health care that has to be financed by stealing from those who are supporting themselves. 2. The food pyramid itself is a stupid graphic. Anyone who has ever studied graphic arts will explain that a graphic must inherently and obviously suggest the point being made, and must minimize any ambiguity. The so-called food pyramid fails at this. Looking at it you don't know if the stuff on the bottom is the most important, supporting the stuff on top,.... or if the stuff on top is most important because it is on top. I much prefer this graphic: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/FoodBarChart01a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/23/12 at 05:28:12 152B203D303D30520 wrote:
Do you know what blood sugar is?[/quote] I keep my blood as sweet as I can,donuts,candy bars, ice cream,and wheat germ for my protein. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/23/12 at 07:21:56 03080D0D5756610 wrote:
Do you know what blood sugar is?[/quote] I keep my blood as sweet as I can,donuts,candy bars, ice cream,and wheat germ for my protein.[/quote] So, I guess that means no. Trying to explain any of this to you is like trying to teach a poodle about arithmetic. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/12 at 08:36:48 I heard somewhere that if ya pee & ants like it, youre diabetic. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/23/12 at 08:57:59 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
Probably something to that,.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/23/12 at 11:12:30 Before there were chemical tests for blood sugar the doctor would taste the patient's urine. If it was sweet, you had diabetes. :o |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/12 at 22:22:01 4E45454C404F4E5455210 wrote:
Or he was just one sick puppy,, I bet that was an expensive test to get run,, I cant even imagine what Id charge,, I think Id just hafta say youre good, not diabetic,, go home,, |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/23/12 at 22:47:11 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
Between that and tasting the urine pretty much sums up the diagnostics in ancient Greece, Mesopotamia, Sumeria, etc. for diabetes... aside from other common symptoms like chronic thirst and slow healing, etc. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/23/12 at 22:58:28 I tried flour made from Einkorn wheat (that's the original variety) today. It's definitely heavier than today's flour and it's a yellow color similar to the color of masa. Of course, it contains higher fat and protein content than today's wheat, so I'd expect that. I know it's not supposed to make light bread and pastries and such, which is supposedly one of the reasons it was modified in the first place (via cross-pollination and later gene manipulation). That said, I decided on banana-nut bread using walnuts and with milled flax-seed added. It came out pretty dang good. Personally, I think flour from ancestral wheat tastes much better than today's bleached and processed version made from GMO wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/24/12 at 07:13:09 7F4D5A4D4B49737E434E2C0 wrote:
Good experiment, and your results are backed up by the Doc's, and the others on the WB FB page experimenting with these things. Keep in mind, though, that einkorn, emmer, spelt, etc., are all still grains. While they may be missing some of the tragic features of modern wheat (triticum aestivum), they have most of the bad stuff associated with any grain. An apt analogy is the comparison of plain cigarettes to low-tar cigarettes to no cigarettes. Going to low-tar is a measureable improvement, but nearly trivial when compared to giving up cigarettes altogether. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 03/24/12 at 09:55:01 I don't intend to make einkorn a staple of my daily diet. I'm just curious about it and may decide to use it occasionally. So far as your cigarette analogy goes, while I understand the intent, I think it's less than apt. I would argue that there is no redeeming value to smoking cigarettes while grains are nutritious and comprise a huge percentage of what sustains humanity. While you are making the argument that they should be nearly (if not completely) eliminated from the diet of humans, it's still a topic of debate and many would argue that there is not yet a viable alternative for feeding six billion people. I can say for certain that eating healthy is significantly more expensive for me and I would venture to guess that's true for most Americans. I think it's likely the same for most of humanity to the point of being out of the question for millions, if not billions. If you could offer mega agro corporations like ADM a viable alternative to maintain their power base while improving the human condition in an affordable manner, it might stand a chance. At this point, for all but a very small portion of people, the grain and starchy tuber elimination crusade is pretty much just tilting at windmills. I can't say the same for big tobacco. Their products for human consumption are killing huge numbers of people (many times more than wheat or any grain) worldwide but offer no positive contribution other than a profit margin. While it's still an uphill battle against big money, the fight against tobacco is making progress. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/24/12 at 11:16:38 15273027212319142924460 wrote:
Grains have nutrition, but they have nothing in them that can not be had from healthy foodstuffs. In fact, for the carbs and other toxic substances in grains, other veggies and meats have a much better ratio of good to bad. The fact that grains are fed to a large percentage of humanity is a deplorable situation, not something in their favor. I do agree that we can't just take away grains from everyone, especially the nearly starving billions around the world,... at least not immediately. That kind of thing would take a really long time, even if it would ever happen. I doubt it would ever happen, because there is WAYYY too much money involved. Just like many decades ago, there was no way we were ever going to get the population to stop smoking -- WAYY too much money (and therefore votes) involved,... and we still haven't eliminated smoking. I like your terminology, "the grain and starchy tuber elimination crusade is pretty much just tilting at windmills." Pretty much true. A sad, sad situation, but it is reality. If we could gradually get big money and the governments to start working on more healthy options, it would save money eventually because of the great reduction in medical expenses. Atherosclerosis, arthritis, diabetes, obesity, MS, etc., are very costly. Another problem, though, is that if it looked like we were going to make those problems go away, big-pharma would jump in and throw $billions into a campaign to keep their market viable. I'm not sure about big tobacco being more harmful than big grain. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/24/12 at 13:52:35 It was a lot easier to see the damage tobacco did. Grains are everywhere & eliminating them takes determination. The effects are subtle for most of us & being motivated to avoid what we have been taught all our lives is good isnt easy. Some have made the move & reported good results,,, I dont think anyone has eliminated them to find they were less healthy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/24/12 at 15:45:24 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
I eliminated just wheat, for a month, and I was f@*%^d up like a football bat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/24/12 at 16:00:16 Thats seriously f@*%^d Up! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/24/12 at 17:13:32 I wa wa wa to wa nedd to start et whet again |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/24/12 at 18:09:42 arteacher did something that looked like no wheat,... he didn't do anything like the Wheat Belly thing. That's like a drunkard not drinking any Johnny Walker, but still downing a quart of wine, a sixpack of Bud, and a couple of martinis every day, wondering why he's still all f***ed up. If you want to find out what happens if you do the Wheat Belly thing, then do the Wheat Belly thing: no wheat, no grains, no sugar, low-carb, moderate exercise. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/24/12 at 18:15:17 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
Sound reasoning, although for some folks the effects are not all that subtle. For me it was rather striking to have my headaches and allergies just disappear. For others on the FB page, some are having decades worth of arthritic joint pain disappear in just days. Some folks are losing 10 pounds a week. Yes, I'll agree they aren't all like that, and most are not that dramatic, but there are a lot of way-more-than subtle things happening from no wheat, no grains, no sugar, low-carb. That last statement is pretty good, "I dont think anyone has eliminated them to find they were less healthy." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 03/25/12 at 11:49:58 656E6E676B64657F7E0A0 wrote:
Didn't want to butt in (again) but I just couldn't resist this. From my observations at any Italian fast food joint (including McDonald's Italy): Eat your hamburger with Eat your steak with a Eat your potato chips with cheese dip. DON'T! Do not eat fried carbohydrates; you add the fatty, fried oils to carbohydrates. Your liver cries murder. Eat your toast with an egg. Eat you EGG with toast... more importance to egg than toast... Eat your rice with VEGETABLE stir fry (but, why go chinese? what about europena recipes?) ...combine the pork chop with stir-fried greens for example ... It isn't a matter of good&bad, but of bad combinations. http://www.mymovies.it/filmclub/2005/04/006/imm.jpg http://www.rokker.it/uploader/images/big/713672708.jpg http://buenobuonogood.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mcdonald-bambini-obesi.jpg?w=290&h=205 Now read THIS... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20014764-10391704.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody The CBS Early Show's Dr. Emily Senay says studies show that the diet, which originated in Italy and Greece, reduces metabolic syndrome - a cluster of symptoms that puts people at a higher risk for heart disease and Type 2 diabetes. People who adhere to it are also at a lower risk for obesity, fat buildup in the arteries and high blood pressure. Now, I am not an extremely religious person, in the sense that I do not go with my head bowed down simply because am man dressed in black tells me to. However, these words leave food for thought: Daniel, 1:12-15 "12 “Test your servants for ten days; let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then let our appearance and the appearance of the youths who eat the king's food be observed by you, and deal with your servants according to what you see.” 14 So he listened to them in this matter, and tested them for ten days. 15 At the end of ten days it was seen that they were better in appearance and fatter in flesh than all the youths who ate the king's food." Also, John 6:35 "...I am the bread of life..." Now, why would Jesus say BREAD when he always used the allegory of fish or lamb in his parables? So, a single cardiologist may have had an interesting idea but before he can prove the world 6 billion people have been living off the wrong diet... ...it's a bit of a long shot... ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/25/12 at 12:11:13 0638332E232E23410 wrote:
So you are saying all carbs are the problem- not just wheat. Sounds like Atkins to me! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/25/12 at 12:38:55 mpsecatori, No long shot at all,.. simply fact, borne out by the thousands of lives he (and others like him) have saved by getting their patients off of wheat and grains and sugar. Quite simple, actually. Just five steps. No wheat, no grains, no sugar, low-carb, moderate exercise. Using this regimen, his patients' atherosclerosis subsides obviating the need for bypass operations and devastating drugs, not to mention curing diabetes in a matter of weeks in many cases,... reported often on the WB FB page. Deny it all you want, you can't just deny the results away. It works. Thousands more every day are finding out. Here's a thought. Show me one case where someone (a person with no unusual medical problems,.. an "average" person) did that five step regimen mentioned above where health got worse. You won't be able to do it, because the opposite always happens. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/25/12 at 12:40:25 5F54545D515E5F4544300 wrote:
So you are saying all carbs are the problem- not just wheat. Sounds like Atkins to me![/quote] Sure, there are similarities to Atkins and any other system that realizes the damage done by high carb levels causing blood sugar spikes. This is a good thing. And, yes, it is not just wheat. Wheat is by far the worst problem, and if you get off of wheat, you eliminate a lot of problems. All the other grains are harmful as well, simply because, like wheat, they are grains with high carbs, and because all grains have their own gluten. Just tattoo this on the inside of your eyelids: GRAINS ARE BAD |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 03/25/12 at 13:41:19 0638332E232E23410 wrote:
What about the fact that Mpsecatori points out,... borne out by millions of Mediterranean peoples over generations?... Low fat, whole grain, plenty of fish, and wine?... This is a diet Jesus would have eaten... I'm guessin' God would steer him right... :-?... Quote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/25/12 at 14:29:28 serowbot wrote: Quote:
Think how well they would have done had they not ingested all that wheat? They survived in spite of the wheat, not because of it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/25/12 at 16:18:38 1C2229343934395B0 wrote:
Did a little research... not that I had to look very far to find the data I needed... The peoples (as in "civilizations") who do NOT have virtually ANY grains in their diet are (without external intervention from "white man" aka the European explorer): - the Inuit, aka Eskimos; live in mud huts or hide shelters in the summer, ice igloos in the winter; - the Australian Aborigene; - some "recently discovered, isolated" tribes in the Amazon basin and the jungles in Sumatra, Malaysia, Borneo. They all fit in the "purely meat and a few veggies" regimen advocated by the fantasious doctor, all of them qualified for Advanced Neolithic at best, if not Mid Paleolithic. Some used fire only if they found it burning, as they couldn't kindle it themselves. They're all famous for living healthy lives, creating wonderful civilizations and living to the grand old age of 50-ish, after which avitaminosis kicks in and claims the bodies. The Vitamin B complex can only be had from grains. It is VITAL for the correct funcioning of the nervous system Ask Dr.Stupenduous where one can naturally get Vitamin B if not from grains. As for Jesus, walk into any modern arabic restaurant and eat like a true Philistine, that's what Jesus ate. NOT the Polish, Russian or Spanish menus claiming to be "Jewish" and handed down through the Middle Ages, those culinary habits were formed in regions which have nothing to do with Israel and Jesus. Just walk into any Egyptian restaurant and order (I'll try to keep it grain free just this once): - Babarannouj (purée of roasted aubergines) - Hommos (purée of chick peas, they are legumes and should be OK) - Foul (read as "fool") (purée of beans and olive oil) - Tabbouleh (tomato and parsley salad with, guess what, whole boiled grains) - Warah (vine leaves rolled and stuffed with rice and veggies) - Boiled eggs with Huerrah (white sauce made with yogurt and chopped onion shoots) - Keftah (fried meat balls, beef) - Roast Lamb - Roast Fish Unfortunately, I will not be able to treat you to the other 90% of Arabic cuisine, because of the presence of rice (which, let it be said, is NOT chinese, it is the one most common wild grain in the world, much more than wheat). ...not to mention all the sweets... ;) I don't understand where you can get your vitamin D without drinking milk or eating fresh cheeses (not aged and dry but fresh like cottage cheese, ricotta or mozzarella), or how you can get your vitamin B without any grains whatsoever. You can easily get all your protein from legumes, provided you still resort to dairy and eggs for SOME animal protein which are fundamental and not present in legumes - i.e. that is why vegetarians may be healthy but have an overall poorer red blood cell count compared to their meat-eating neighbors. Similarly, you can skip much fruit if you know where to get your vitamin C; bell peppers, for example, are actually much richer in vitamin C than oranges or lemons. Honey is THE healthiest source of elementary sugars, which are vital. Incidentally, did you know that the enzymes used by the bees to prodice honey actually protect your teeth from cavities? "In vino veritas" said the Romans, and half a glass of proper red wine delivers more antioxidants and relieves heart stress far more than the average BP pill. I think we should "rethink" our eating habits - in this I do agree with Gyrobob. But I would like to see that ONE person who will stay on this diet for 50 years and live to tell. Mr.Atkins died of a death he could have easily avoided, I'm told. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/25/12 at 16:43:53 OK, OK.....I managed to borrow the book (I refused to pay good money for it) and I will have a look. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/25/12 at 17:09:30 505B5B525E51504A4B3F0 wrote:
Excellent! I take back three of the things I said about you. Let's chat about the various areas covered in the book as you read through them. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/25/12 at 17:30:19 mpescatori wrote: Quote:
Wow. Something we agree on. Feels good. 50 years from now, let's compare notes. -- Until then, the best I can do is a few folks I know who have been lowcarbers since the 80s. They are doing quite well. -- I have been a strict lowcarber since 2003, so I have almost a decade with that. -- Being a disciplined lowcarber means you don't eat very much wheat, because grains have lots of carbs,... so I guess I could claim to be a "min-wheater" for 9 years and a "no-wheater" for 1/2 year. -- I have been wheat/grain free since October, and the life-changing improvements are so dramatic for me, I'll never ever eat any grains again. Dr. Atkins did die an unfortunate death. Quite preventable. -- A little sand on the icy steps would have prevented the fall that cracked his skull. -- There is a myth circulated about his death caused by various statements made by organizations that hated the success of the Atkins lowcarb system. They had to retract the statements, but you know what happens to interesting, although false, stories. The truth?,... --- Atkins slipped, cracked his skull, went into a coma for several days and died. --- No heart attack. --- No obesity. --- He was 6' tall and 195 pounds when admitted to the hospital. --- When he died he was 258 pounds because of his internal organs failing during the coma causing bloating from fluid retention,.. quite common for a person in a coma about to die. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/25/12 at 18:19:14 Ehh, took a wheating today (smoked a couple of cigarettes). I was building up a swingset/slide/playground thing at a neighbor's house, and HELLO, free pizza on the way. I thought, how sad it is that after all this work I can't sit back with a cool one and have the pizza. My ear's screaming at me anyway lately, so screw it. MmmMMMmm good pizza :) Back on the wagon tomorrow.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/26/12 at 04:31:36 68657F666F7E6B786E0A0 wrote:
There are lots of alternatives for pizza. I have it several times per month: -- Have the restaurant fix a crustless pizza. ---- Some places around here have it on the menu under various names. In a few hours I'll be at Stevi B's where they make a marvy pizza with no crust. ---- If they don't have it as menu item, ask them to make it for you. Several days ago at Bike Week, I went into BJ's right across from the track, and asked them for a crustless pizza. The server said they had had a few people ask for that lately. She said they'd have to charge normal price for pizza. Okay, I said. It was good -- a plateful of sauce, cheese, meat, and veggies. -- Make your own wheat-free grain-free crust, then build your custom pizza on top of that. There are several recipes available. As for the cool one, Redbridge beer is pretty good and not made from wheat. Most places have it, including Walmart. It has a moderate amount of carbs, though, so don't be drinking six packs. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/26/12 at 08:12:36 Thanks, I know they have wheatless alternatives for pizza, but I wanted to be carefree for a change. Just another guy on the crew. The neighbor's wife is actually very considerate, remembered me reading the WB book and asked if she could get me a salad instead. But I didn't want to be the "special needs" guy. Symptoms? Meh.. my knees hurt.. 'course that's probably from picking up heavy timber all day. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/26/12 at 08:30:31 404D574E4756435046220 wrote:
That joint pain thing is one of the most often mentioned benefits from going wheat-free. There have been several folks over the past few weeks on the WB FB page mention that within days of getting off wheat, their pain in all locations of joints improved a lot or went away altogether. For me, the ability to twist my neck around with no pain is really nice. Plus, working on my problematic RYCA build is a lot easier, since it involves a lot of knee and ankle bending to get down low enough to work on things a foot or two off the floor. Now I can stand up easily with no pain, and no snapping/popping of the knees. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 03/26/12 at 08:36:36 What helps my joint pain is the oil in my deep fried fish and hush puppies. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/26/12 at 11:32:17 707B7E7E2425120 wrote:
you left out the brain fog |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/26/12 at 13:52:44 59676C717C717C1E0 wrote:
you left out the brain fog[/quote] I believe Bill was alluding the lubrication he got from fried anything. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/26/12 at 19:21:10 65574057515369645954360 wrote:
you left out the brain fog[/quote] I believe Bill was alluding the lubrication he got from fried anything.[/quote] poor bill |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 03/27/12 at 15:12:57 142A213C313C31530 wrote:
you left out the brain fog[/quote] I'll take offense for that, free of charge. For one (ONE) Shakespeare and one (ONE) Isaac Newton boasted by the (almost) wheat-free English, there are so many "wheatie" philosophers, physicists and mathematicians in history that it makes the wheat-free theory look like Nelson form the Simpsons, as opposed to Milhouse. Socrates, Plato, Aristoteles, Cicero, Seneca, Julius Caesar and Diocletian... St.Augustine, St.Gregory, St.Nicholas (yep! Good ol' Santa Claus ate wheat!) not to mention Giotto, Dante, Leonardo, Galileo, Michelangelo, Raffaello, Botticelli and Bernini... Anyway, I TRIED ! I TRIED HARD !!! One full day wheat free, no wheat for breakfast, no wheat for lunch, there I come proud and wheat free in the evening and the wife says "Darling, tomorrow's my birthday so we're dining at Mother's tonight" Well, I KNEW it was her birthday the next day, gift bought weeeks ago and all that, but I hadn't planned for dinner at Tiffan... Mother's. Rice and lentils, extremely healthy and verry ancient recipe and all that, but still contains rice, i.e. a grain. Oh, well... ::) This morning, coffee in bed and lots of birthday kisses, then we go out for shopping (forget window shopping we've got plenty of windows! ;D) and home we come and the wife says "Darling, I really feel like linguine with mussels..." ::) Wheat free... yah, right :-X Anyway, treat her (and me 8-)) to dinner in a nice Austrian restaurant, first course striclty meats, second course strictly meats, side dishes sauerkraut and salad and ... "Waiter! TWO helpings of those terriffic stir fried potatoes with onion and speck!" ::) ::) ::) The wine was good, excellent... ;) Will try again tomorrow... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by SuperSavage on 03/27/12 at 21:50:36 Gyro, I see you are doing well with your diet(I hate that word). Would you mind descibing a day's worth of meals and snacks that you eat. I curious, that's all... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/28/12 at 05:06:36 5B7E797F7F6872706523212020110 wrote:
I hate the word diet as well. this Wheat Belly scheme is a lot more than a diet. Telling you what I ate yesterday would do no good. I ate nothing. nada. -- Two or three times a month I do a mini-fast of sorts. --- There are all kinds of health benefits, and once you get to the "Dirt Pebbler" stage of this way of living, you can skip eating with absolutely no problem at all. --- No kidding. No hunger pangs, no blood sugar reactions, no energy effects, etc. --- I had pizza Monday evening, and today, Wednesday, I'm taking the current wife to Cracker Barrel for brunch. That amounts to about a 40 hour fast. Being able to eat nothing for a long time comes in handy for when you are doing things where it is incovenient to stop just because you have to shovel some food into your facial opening. For example, on the ride to Daytona a couple weeks ago, I was quite comfortably able to not eat at all for the whole 9-hour ride. Previously I always had to take food with me to eat along the way, or actually stop somewhere to get a burger or something. Back to your point. Typically I eat meat/fish/poultry and veggies,.. trying to stay with real food rather than manufactured or packaged food. So, over the past several days I've had these things: -- stuffed green peppers -- lots of salads -- wheatfree grainfree bread (I'll put the recipe in the next post) -- steak -- baby back ribs -- green beans -- low-carb yogurt -- choc chip cookies (wheat,grain free) -- squash of various kinds (butternut, spaghetti, acorn) -- nuts -- cheese -- eggs fixed various ways -- quiche -- hot cereal (wheat/grain free) -- strawberries -- fruit smoothies -- tea -- tomatos -- guacamole -- tilapia -- pork chops -- oven baked chicken -- cauliflower, broccoli, etc. -- celery stalks loaded up with peanut butter, cheddar cheese, or cream cheese with salami -- crustless pizza That list doesn't count what I had at Golden Corral last Sunday. Here's an excerpt from another file: chicken, steak, bacon, eggs, sauteed green pepper & onions, shrimp, ham, stewed celery from the pot roast pan, spinach salad, caesar salad, chicken noodle soup sans noodles, three slices worth of pizza toppings, crab salad, black olives, tomatoes, meat loaf, instant tea with saccharine, water, raw onions, several raw strawberries, sugar-free choc pudding, cottage cheese, and maybe something else I forgot. Small quantities of each, except for the steak. All this took place in a leisurely manner from 1030 to 1140. A typical reaction from someone first considering getting off of wheat is,"Man, there is nothing left to eat!" I beg to differ. If you eliminate anything with wheat or any other grains, or sugar, or high-carb, you are left with only,....oh,.... 56,000 things left to eat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/28/12 at 05:51:05 As per the previous post: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Wheat_GrainFreeBread-double01asmallimage.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Stimpy - FSO on 03/28/12 at 17:56:11 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_JVuSu13FE[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNCGkprGW_o[/media] just watch the first 3-4 minutes of this lecture, then you decide to continue or not, most everyone does, trust me. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I've been following this thread for months now and today I finally decided to join in. About me: I weigh less now than I did in high school (20y ago) but still have a muscular build (I swim regularly), I quit smoking, no meat, no pop, rarely drink, I juice every morning (and make carrot cake-like nut & grain bars with the leftover mulch), have a small garden/greenhouse and I am very close to becoming full vegan, the only thing really stopping me is my stubborn brat-eating wifey. Last time I got sick was a flu 3 years ago. I am also a professional chef and used to own my own restaurant, I know what is in everything and when I go to the market I wanna cry. Any questions, let me know, you guys rock. 8-) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7u4PSyo0[/media] A Baskin-Robbins true story. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/28/12 at 18:29:02 I just had my yearly physical and came up 7 pounds lighter (143 vs. 150 lbs.) than I've been since high school. I didn't need to lose weight, but sure did by avoiding wheat. No other changes to food consumption, beer consumption, or exercise. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/28/12 at 19:17:53 525F455C5544514254300 wrote:
Most excellent! I wish we had your before and after numbers for blood levels and pressure and glucose. From the 90s to 2003, I was around 235. (on a 6'3" frame) In 2003, I started Atkins, and went down to about 215 and stayed there until last October. At that time I kept doing what I was doing, but stopped eating any wheat or any other grains. I went from 215 to about 205 in a month, and have stayed there since. I each of those situations I was not trying to lose any weight, it was just what happened. I do about 50 carbs daily now, eating mainly meat/fish and above-ground veggies with no wheat/grains/sugar or any other stuff that might cause a blood-sugar spike. Life is good. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/29/12 at 21:04:09 Here's something from Keith Lewis, a wheat farmer: You conclude in your book that modern wheat breeding has dramatically changed the nutritional value of wheat. Modern wheat farming has as well. I have been a wheat farmer for 50 yrs and one wheat production practice that is very common is applying the herbicide Roundup (glyposate) just prior to harvest. Roundup is licensed for preharvest weed control. Monsanto, the manufacturer of Roundup claims that application to plants at over 30% kernel moisture result in roundup uptake by the plant into the kernels. Farmers like this practice because Roundup kills the wheat plant allowing an earlier harvest. A wheat field often ripens unevenly, thus applying Roundup preharvest evens up the greener parts of the field with the more mature. The result is on the less mature areas Roundup is translocated into the kernels and eventually harvested as such. This practice is not licensed. Farmers mistakenly call it “dessication.” Consumers eating products made from wheat flour are undoubtedly consuming minute amounts of Roundup. An interesting aside, malt barley which is made into beer is not acceptable in the marketplace if it has been sprayed with preharvest Roundup. Lentils and peas are not accepted in the market place if it was sprayed with preharvest roundup….. but wheat is ok.. This farming practice greatly concerns me and it should further concern consumers of wheat products. I went on a wheat and refined sugar free diet before I read your excellent book. I lost 30 lbs in three months. What a remarkable change…… In my 69th year I have never felt better. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 03/29/12 at 21:26:02 That's interesting. I'm sure it applies to other crops as well. I'm equally inclined to believe there are quite a few other unsavory chemicals in many of our foods - including meat and dairy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Arnold on 03/30/12 at 12:57:16 Yea, like up to 20% of some mystery solution. Never buy meat at Walmart at least... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/30/12 at 13:35:24 5E4B5053535A4B5A4D3F0 wrote:
Tibet has the only meat that is from cows that never ate anything bad. Aside from that, Walmart is about the same as any other groc store. Also, if you saw the Stossel show a few weeks ago, you put absolutely no faith in claims like "organic" or "free range" or "grass fed" or "uncured." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/30/12 at 14:07:02 Stossel is awesome, I love his expose' stories. But I did not see the one about the grass fed/organic/free range food. How is grass fed beef not good? I mean, when I drive around Texas and see ranches where the cows are grazing large areas of native grass, it seems like the beef would be pretty safe to eat. Mostly irrelevant aside: We are thinking about getting some backyard chickens. I figure, we throw so many kitchen scraps in the compost bin anyway.. might as well pass them through some chickens first and get some good eggs, right? For a small effort in keeping the chickens, we'll know exactly how "organic" the eggs are and that the chickens are treated humanely. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/30/12 at 14:21:03 Is your back yard big enough so you won't be exposed to the smell? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 03/30/12 at 15:29:09 545F5F565A55544E4F3B0 wrote:
No, it is less than 1/4 acre. But I have a leaf shredder and keep a large stockpile of the shreddin's that I can spread out for the chickens to scratch around in. Then when the whole mess goes in the compost bin, the leaf carbon will balance the nitrogen chicken waste and everything will cook down with little or no smell. It is basically the same principle that the Humanure (http://weblife.org/humanure/) dude uses with his sawdust toilets. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/31/12 at 06:04:23 How many of you feed your pets store-bought pet food? Most of that is loaded with wheat and grains. Your mammals will be a lot healthier if you get them off of wheat, as well. One guy related a situation he had with a Dachsund that had gotten really afflicted with back problems and hip arthritis. -- The poor thing could move on his own only by pulling himself with his front legs and dragging his useless back legs along. Pathetic. -- They took the dog off of standard dry dog food. --- They fed the dog a diet of whatever they were having for dinner that day (mostly meat and veggies) --- After several weeks things started to improve. --- The dog has the use of its legs back, and is actually moving around now on all fours,... slowly, but at least he's got something resembling normal mobility back. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 03/31/12 at 08:24:53 We rescued a 7 year old chocolate lab from a home that couldn't take care of her (through an agency). She was in pretty rough shape, due to allergies when the agency took her in. They fed her a proper food, exercised her, and a 6 moths later released her for adoption. We had her tested for allergies. ($270) It took four hours reading labels on dog food bags to find one that did not have something she was allergic to. It's $85 a bag and is made from salmon parts, no grains. The carbs are potato derived. She is also allergic to some kinds of grass, a few trees, house dust, and tobacco smoke. She is amazingly good with my grandchildren, even letting the 4 yr old ride her. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/12 at 09:21:10 Daaang,, thats a load of $$$ for dog food,, Im thinking I need to take the chihuahua off the food were using, tho its Supposed to be one of the best around,, & feed him the BARF diet,,he has seasonal allergies & right now, his hair is lookin BAD,, & I really dont want to haul him to the vet & get a shot again,, they are dangerous, I just learned. Im talkin to the wife as soon as she is up & around.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 03/31/12 at 10:13:11 My old dog ... preferred spaghetti and fried chicken... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 03/31/12 at 11:11:33 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
I am really happy with it. Her poop comes out in solid balls, doesn't smell much, and is easy to pick up. That's worth a few bucks extra to me. Her name is Coko, and we call them Coko beans. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/31/12 at 12:27:53 The cheapest thing to do to feed any dog is to not buy any dog food at all, and then just feed the dog some of what you had for dinner. The dog will thrive on that,.. especially if you are eating healthy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Stimpy - FSO on 03/31/12 at 14:24:06 ...companies like: MARS inc. (pedigree/caesar) NESTLE (purina/one) PROCTER & GAMBLE (iams/eukanuba) are the dEVIL, beware. Healthy farm and domestic dogs use to to live well over 20 years before commercial dog food, oh and all that inbreeding did not help. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLaxXD8vPao[/media] part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl1bt4kx1fY (just ignore whatever brand the guy in this infomercial is selling and replace that thought with "my fresh homemade dogfood" and make your dog a big pot of rice, meat and veg and freeze it ). Mine eats mostly whatever we eat plus her special bars that I bake for her made of my leftover juicing mulch, oats and eggs, loves em', all this along with a bit of expensivey dog food made only from rice and lamb, so far so good. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/31/12 at 17:51:45 Good info, Stimpy. It fits well with what the pet owners are saying on the Wheat Belly FB page that is working so well with their pets. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/05/12 at 03:11:38 Considering the last post dates back to April Fools' Day, may I "up" this thread... http://oh-lol.browntechnolimit.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/a3c65c2974270fd093ee8a9bf8ae7d0b.jpg THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ON... http://oh-lol.browntechnolimit.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/a97da629b098b75c294dffdc3e463904.jpg HAVE A NICE DAY... http://oh-lol.browntechnolimit.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/f899139df5e1059396431415e770c6dd.jpg :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/05/12 at 07:12:46 Some more... ;D This one reminds me of "smart" books... http://ohmypictures.browntechnolimit.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/979d472a84804b9f647bc185a877a8b5.jpg And this one reminds me of dog food... http://ohmypictures.browntechnolimit.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/45fbc6d3e05ebd93369ce542e8f2322d.jpg And... what about the Wiz of Oz ? http://eu5.memecdn.com/i-throw-my-hands-up-in-the-air-sometimes-singing-ayo-im-a-scarecrow_o_179175.jpg This last one is for the smart ones to figure out... ;) http://www.darnlol.com/pics/63/3d39a8fcdf8a58da31ba71d454b20587.gif |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/05/12 at 19:22:38 Pretty Funny, Maurizio,... you old thread-pirate, you! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/06/12 at 08:00:29 It appears this kind of thinking has been around for a while,... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihOi56J17Hw&feature=player_embedded[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/06/12 at 10:13:56 Here's what happens to your blood sugar when you eat a Snickers bar: http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/SnickersBloodSugarTest01a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 04/06/12 at 10:50:49 LOL ;D Well you did indeed get a greater rise out of the two slices of bread than the snicker bar! 'course the peanuts might be slowing the sugar uptake.. the same reason arteacher puts PB on toast. I answered your PM about the WB forum, let me know if you did not get the reply (the PM system is hit-or-miss these days).. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 04/07/12 at 14:41:04 3D302A333A2B3E2D3B5F0 wrote:
Exactly. When you add in any significant amount of fiber or protein, it typically decreases the GI. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/07/12 at 19:14:52 5D6F786F696B515C616C0E0 wrote:
Exactly. When you add in any significant amount of fiber or protein, it typically decreases the GI.[/quote] The overall point was to "mythbuster" the claim that two slices of whole wheat bread (lots of fiber, eh?) give you a greater spike than a snickers bar. -- Two slices of whole wheat bread spiked me to 161. (A bowl of oatmeal spiked me to 166!!!) -- The snickers bar spiked me to 144. When you add significant amounts of fiber or protein, it decreases the GI some. If I would have had a couple psyllium caplets and a couple bites of a cow's ass with the snickers bar, the blood sugar spike might have been 140 instead of 144. Study this stuff for a while and you'll really get a scary respect for how harmful blood sugar spikes are. I am going to spend the rest of my life trying to keep my blood sugar level a smooth 75 to 85. It's a huge factor for longevity and for quality of life when you get old, and I'm pretty close to being old!! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 04/07/12 at 23:12:39 Gyro,.. there is something you're not telling us about your health... I was under the impression that you were basically healthy, but maybe a few pounds overweight.... You check your blood sugar fanatically... This is not normal... I've never checked my blood sugar in my life, and neither has most healthy people... If you are diabetic, or extremely obese, or have some genetic imbalance or intolerance,... perhaps this radical food diet is important to your personal well-being... ... but,.. you have been giving the impression that it should be followed by everybody... and Dr.WB seems to do the same... Like it's some curse that effects all mankind... As surprising as it may be to you,... I, and I believe most people, don't feel any different, metabolically, if I eat two doughnuts or if I eat a chicken salad... I feel full or empty, hungry or satisfied,.. but, that's all... So,.. are you sicker than we think,.. or are you a hypochondriac?... ... 'cause,.. I don't even know how to check my blood sugar, and I bet most people don't... unless they are diabetic... or something... There's nothing wrong with being attentive to that if you need to, but average people don't... And, average people don't need this kind of diet... This is what bothers me about this thread... You are telling everybody that they really need to do this... and they don't... ... maybe you do... maybe some others do... but, it isn't even healthy for most people... A healthy adult needs food from the four main food food groups. ... and it's not some giant conspiracy to make everyone sick... ... and Paleo man wasn't immune to cancer,or arthritis, or anything... he was just the same as us, but tended to die younger from injury, cold, infection, or even rotten teeth... No magic here,.. no revelation,.. not even a side note to the local news... Dr.WB is either a quack, or supremely off-track... but, he's making a fortune,.. and he should be paying you a cut of his profits... Eat a balance of foods, none to excess, and avoid high calorie, high fat, foods,... and move your body... ... and don't worry... that's my weakness,.. I'm a worrier... I don't need a new diet,.. I need to let go... become zen... ... obviously I don't,.. and that explains this rant... No real personal offence intended, but this WB guy has been promoted for over 50 pages on a motorcycle site... ... and he is most assuredly a money grubbing quack... ... and I didn't read his idiot book... don't need to, never will... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/08/12 at 05:23:28 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
Wow,.. you are really way off base here. I am way healthier than the average 65 y.o. American. I always have been. I've always eaten pretty responsibly and exercised a lot. For a couple of decades I easily stayed within the USAF's weight limits. For decades I've had FAA Class I and II med certificates. I've never been "a few pounds overweight." Nowhere close. I still run 5k runs. I won my class last year once. I don't check blood sugar fanatically. -- I have done it four times in my whole life. Over the past couple of months I wanted to get first hand info on what happens to this human bod under some "lab experiment" situations so my debating points will have more credibility. -- I think I'm done "falling on grenades" for the sake of debate now. I don't like giving myself blood sugar spikes,... I only did this to prove or disprove the Doc's claims about a bowl of oatmeal, and about two slices of wheat bread causing a blood sugar spike larger than a snickers bar. He is quite right about those blood sugar spikes, as my recent posts show. I am nowhere near diabetic. Those who give themselves blood sugar spikes every day (most Americans) are likely candidates, though. Average people DO need to know about this. -- Your ignorance of what eating wheat (and other grains) does to you does not mean the harm isn't there. -- The fact you don't feel anything with this long term harm is common. --- I never felt anything either,... until I removed the wheat/grain/sugar, and realized what changed. --- This is the case with 95% of the people that adopt wheat/grain/sugar-free living. You are right about most people not feeling any different when they eat wheaty grainy crap (WGC). -- Diabetics can't feel anything wrong until the advanced stages. -- Arthritics have arthritis well before joint inflammation starts sending out pain signals. -- People die of atherosclerosis having no idea anything was wrong. -- Most fat folks will tell you they feel fine and are quite healthy. -- A diet of WGC either exacerbates or directly causes these maladies. Your last statement really says a lot about your lack of awareness. -- "... this WB guy has been promoted for over 50 pages on a motorcycle site..... and he is most assuredly a money grubbing quack...... and I didn't read his idiot book... don't need to, never will." -- That's like the statement one of my Uncles made to me when I was a kid. "Those motorcycles are idiotic. They fall over all by themselves. Just plain stupid. They are impractical and expensive and dangerous and anyone who rides them is a moron with a death wish. I know all I need to know about motorcycles. I don't ever need to ride one, let alone own one." Ignorance is an unfortunate thing. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 04/08/12 at 06:10:40 In my state of Wisconsin people are dying every day,I guess its because they eat wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 04/14/12 at 03:37:07 5F616A777A777A180 wrote:
OK, let's consider this: Blood sugar home-testers are available because diabetes is an acknowledged disease; not because one eats pasta, but because one has a pancreas disorder. To blame diabetes on eating wheat-derivates is beyond me. Diabetes is triggered by obesity, but there were obese Vikings (and there still are) as well as obese Greeks etc. We DO NOT have ANY scientific evidence that the meat-eating, smorgasbord-slobbering, beer-drinking Vikings NEVER had diabetes. This tester allows to "meter" blood sugar DIY, but the interpretation of the reading must be done by somebody who knows his stuff. Reading "160" after breakfast is quite normal, it simply means breakfast has been digested and the "food" is being carried around by the bloodstream to the body. On the other hand, we DO NOT have ANY DIY contraption to test protein or fats being carried by the bloodstream. Gyrobob claims "a blood sugar count of 160 is bad". That is incorrect. A blood sugar count of 160 IS bad if you test yourself after a good night's sleep, BEFORE breakfast. A blood sugar count of 160 is NORMAL and should be expected after breakfast. A blood sugar count of 160 six hours after breakfast, but before lunch, means you EITHER chugged down a whole bottle of maple syrup, OR you have a serious blood sugar issue. ON THE OTHER HAND... ...what is your blood cholesterol count after eating that Snickers bar? LDL? HDL? Triglycerides? Test that, please, then see what the cholesterol tables say. You might appear to have an unusually, unhealthy high cholesterol. OR You might realize that to point your finger at figures without taking them in the proper context may be misleading. As for myself, I did try your low-carb diet for two weeks. The result was I became short of breath and could not go up the stairs as easily as I did before the low-carb experiment. I will go back to my Mediterranean Diet, thank you very much. https://www.facebook.com/mediterraneandietusa http://www.mediterraneandiet.com/ http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mediterranean-diet/CL00011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkzOeu0VQwY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl7Y2n0cmKo&feature=related[/media][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBz1K1eXWEs&feature=relmfu[/media] When UNESCO and the WHO (or the MAYO Clinic, for that matter) applaud the quack doctor's diet as healthy, I'll consider it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7960206/Mediterranean-diet-to-be-awarded-Unesco-status-says-Italy.html Until then, Hippocrates made history in a way no Wisconsin cardiologist as (yet) so I'll give each the credit they respectfully deserve. AND I'll keep on riding 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 04/14/12 at 04:43:46 7749425F525F52300 wrote:
If your blood sugars spike that high it is indicating that you might be diabetic. Get yourself checked out right away. The spikes should not be that high in a healthy person. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 04/14/12 at 15:52:13 Well, I finished the book a few weeks ago and the author makes some compelling arguments for how much wheat has been modified in the past half century and how it affects human physiology. Based on the case he presents, modern wheat varieties quite likely have more adverse effects on us and are truly "addictive" as well. As previously stated, I already keep a relatively low carb intake, though not anything on the order of Atkins (but I have done Atkins in the past). My carbs are primarily from fruits and from short-grain brown rice, quinoa, oats, potatoes and sweet potatoes (both of which I consume with the skin). It is very rare for me to eat bread or processed grain. If I need to thicken my chili I use a tablespoon or two of corn masa. Anyway, I went not just wheat-free but completely grain-free (and potato-free, etc.) for two weeks and I noticed no difference whatsoever. I am not all that surprised given my normal diet and have now reverted to it, allowing myself the same carbs I've been consuming for several years now. I am going to make one change though. I am intrigued by einkorn wheat (the original strain). I have purchased some flour made from it and It does indeed contain more fiber and protein and less carbs than modern flour, along with about a third of the DNA of modern wheat. It's heavier and tackier and won't make fluffy biscuits but it makes some pretty good fried jalapenos and will help thicken with a different flavor than masa. It has a nuttier flavor than modern flour and makes some darned fine banana walnut bread. That said, I will use it occasionally but still keep to my prior diet of mostly vegetables, proteins and the occasional fruit and grains (like quinoa, brown rice or oats). I am far more wary of modern wheat than before but already consumed very little of it. My personal belief is that small doses may allow us some resistance, as with many things and I will continue small amounts of grains and other carbs. That's my assessment. Take it for what you paid for it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/14/12 at 18:20:40 savage_rob, You did not react at all normally to being off of wheat and grains, although, only two weeks is not long enough. Some functions in the body will adjust back to a proper diet of no wheat no grains no sugar in a few days, but many of the functions take weeks or even months. In fact, problems dealing with the nervous sysetem can take several months to resolve after getting free of wheat. Arteacher, I don't know where you have been getting your misinformation, but for a typical body that is experiencing the tremendous improvements from being wheat free grain free sugar free for several months, having a large load of sugar dumped in is supposed to cause quite a blood sugar spike. The overall point, though, is not the amount of the spike. The lab experiment was to prove or disprove the Doc's claim that 2 slices of "healthy whole grain wheat bread" would cause a spike greater than that of the snickers bar. His statement is true. mpescatori, you apparently are getting your misinformation from some of the same places that arteacher does. Not unusual. there is a LOT of bad info out there. Most of what you stated in your post is just wrong. It agrees with the general opinions of the medical community from a few decades ago, but most of what you say is just incorrect. Your statements about cholesterol expose your ignorance on these subjects. Have you ever heard of small particle LDL? I'll bet not. Trying it out for 2 weeks in pointless,... it tells you nothing. Even if you really did manage to stay wheat free grain free sugar free and high fat for two weeks, you wouldn't even have gotten past the withdrawal stage. If you guys would study up on this stuff,... look at the recent research (not recent editorials or magazine articles or nutritionist textbooks written 30 years ago) you'd have a little more credibility. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/16/12 at 12:22:14 KO, I do not know what "small particle LDL" is. I asked my wife (the Doc in the family) and she said "Oh, you mean 'micro-LDL?' " and explained. So Docs know about it. mpescatori, you apparently are getting your misinformation from some of the same places that arteacher does. Not unusual. there is a LOT of bad info out there. Most of what you stated in your post is just wrong. OK, tell me what is wrong with what I said. Explain why EU dieticians (including the Scandinavians) are wrong when they agree the Mediterranean Diet is THE way to go when you want to controlo weight and reduce the risk of heart desease and cholesterol-related issues. Read this article, please: http://huntgatherlove.com/content/wheat-belly Written by a Cardiologist? No, written by a Psychiatrist, someone who knows her drugs and her opiates. Or this one: http://www.shoprite.com/Cnt/DiabetesMythDebunked.html The point is, for every one article supporting Dr.Davus, there are just as many, if not more, debunking it. Dr.Davus is a cardiologist, and I would never dare counter anything he says on the circulatiry system. But for him to speak like a dietician or a nutritionist... or an endocrinologist... ...my son would say "Who does he think he is, mandrake?" I have looked for a way to download the e-Book, but no such luck. Until then, it's tomatoes and olives and fich and durum wheat, thank you very much. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 04/16/12 at 12:42:50 Gyro: This where I got my information on normal blood sugar levels:^ Daly, Mark E; Vale, C; Walker, M; Littlefield, A; Alberti, KG; Mathers, JC (1998). "Acute effects on insulin sensitivity and diurnal metabolic profiles of a high-sucrose compared with a high starch diet" (PDF). Am J Clin Nutr 1998 (American Society for Clinical Nutrition) 67 (67): 1186–1196. PMID 9625092. Retrieved 2011-02-19. Their peak levels are much lower than what you are getting. And their methodology is probably a tad more sophisticated than yours too. :-? There is either something wrong with your meter, or with you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 04/16/12 at 15:39:51 I was just reading an article recently that mentioned a lot of the testers out there not being very reliable and many are not even FDA approved. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 04/16/12 at 16:06:57 64564156505268655855370 wrote:
You can get test solutions for them that tell you how far off they are, and some self calibrate. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/16/12 at 17:22:47 656E6E676B64657F7E0A0 wrote:
You can get test solutions for them that tell you how far off they are, and some self calibrate.[/quote] I have the solution for mine, and I calibrated it. The accuracy of the number itself is not all that important. -- In the "lab experiments" I did on myself, the important part was the magnitude of the blood sugar spike from the two slices of whole wheat bread compared to the magnitude of the blood sugar spike of the snickers bar. -- Even if the numbers from my cheapo meter were off 20% in absolute terms, the comparison of the BSS from the wheat bread compared to the snickers bar would still be valid. The BSS from the bread was greater than the BSS from the snickers bar. The Doc was correct. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/16/12 at 17:29:26 7C77777E727D7C6667130 wrote:
I saw my cardiologist today for a periodic check up. He has not heard of wheat belly, but he did know about grains and BSSs. I told him about my numbers and the relative BSS of two slices of bread vs a snickers bar. He was surprised that the bread caused a higher reading, thinking it would be the other way around. I asked him specifically about the magnitude of the numbers and he said they were not unusual for someone my size, my age, and done on an empty stomach after fasting for several hours. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/16/12 at 17:40:04 332E3B2D3D3F2A312C375E0 wrote:
All your sources and alleged "studies" do not compare the health of someone eating wheat and grains to someone not eating wheat and grains. They are all just opinion pieces. Most studies showing the mythical benefits of whole grains only compare what happens to someone who switches from refined flour crap to whole grains crap. When you can find a robust, properly engineered study that shows someone who eats according to Dr Davis's system (no wheat, no grains, no sugar, no high-carb) has his health decline compared to someone who is in an otherwise identical situation but it eating grains, then I'll pay attention. Until then, you have little credibility. When you read the book, and study it, I'll pay more attention to your opinions of the book. Until then, you have little credibility. When you try this system properly,... meaning no wheat, no grains, no sugar, no high-carb,.. for several weeks at least, I'll pay more attention to your opinions on how it works. Until then, you have little credibility. Trying Dr. Davis's system for a week or two and saying it didn't work is like saying, "sure,.. I tried lifting weights for a week or two, nothing happened at all except I got a little sore. I didn't get any stronger and I still look like a wimp. Lifting weights doesn't work." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/17/12 at 01:56:49 GyroBob, you (and I, perhaps) are taking this one-on-one tit-for-tat a little too seriously. I have nothing against YOU as a motorcyclist, nor as a Man. I have nothing against Dr.Davus as a cardiologist. I already said that. I DO have a LOT to say against the average foodstuffs you will find in the average US supermarket, or the food you will find in the average US mall Foodcourt, as opposed to the corresponding foodstuffs or foods in a European - better yet, Mediterranean equivalent. I have lived, worked, visited the US extensively and was surprised to find "Italian Ciabatta bread" baked in the US has sugar in the list of ingredients. As an example, I researched breakfast cereal. The latest fad cereal is Kellog's "Miel Pops", the European equivalent to Honey Pops (or Honey Smacks?). I was not surprised to discover that non only do the EU and US cereals differ in texture, but in the list of ingredients as well. The EU version has almost twice as much cereal as the US counterpart, and about half as much sweeteners, these being sugar, honey and corn glucose in this order. This difference is found in just about anything, it is a fundamental element of the difference in food culture between the two continents. "I have little credibility" you say. The Mediterranean Diet refers to recipes which, in most cases, have changed little from the times of Homer and his "Odissey" to the present day. Sardines and anchovies fried in olive oil is... fried fish fried in olive oil, no more, no less. Quite a difference to cod breaded and fried in lard, don't you think? Roast leg of lamb roasted with rosemary and salt, with onions and carrots is exactly that. A baked apple is a baked apple, but you may boil it in a teensy-tiny "apple-size" pot if you wish. I am certain wheat sown in Italy is different from what is sown in Ohio. I can't vouch for Poland or Sweden, but I know what is sown in Italy, my brother in law has a MS in Agriculture. I am also certain wheat is ground to different levels of coarseness in the two continents, and that they will have different kinds of preservatives added. This means the same recipes prepared with different grades of flour will, in the end, result in similar products but with different levels of digestibility. I can assure you that many preservatives commonly used in the US are outlawed in Europe, and many types of GM grains widely used in the US (or pushed for distribution to Africa and Asia) are banned from Europe. Celiac desease has a different distribution in EU and US not only because of ethnic diversity - most "white" US citizens descend from immigrants originating in Northern Europe - but also because of different diets and quality of some foods. This is not my opinion, this is history. All in all... Dr.Davis may well pro to be the Galileo of 21st Century nutrition... ::) ...or he might not. All things considered, chances are he will not. The Mditerranean Diet has been around for over 4 thousand documented years, and proved to be healthy. May I repeat, FOUR THOUSAND YEARS. That is enough for me. Ride well, and eat whatever fancies you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 04/17/12 at 08:09:56 Is there a 50 page post about motorcycling on a Wheat Belly forum somewhere?... 'Cause,.. I'd like read that... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 04/17/12 at 08:42:37 Well to his credit, Gyrobob is trying to establish a forum just for wheat bellyers. When he gets it all set up, I say we go over there and bomb him with the most annoying motorbike threads we can think of: What Oil is Best??? :D Should I Magnetize my Drain Plug???? :D Will Ethanol gas Gumm up my Vacuum Petcock?? :-/ Then Gyro will try to say something and we can be all "Tsk, Tsk.. no, no, NO.. you'd have a lot more credibility if you'd just read the ASTM book (http://global.ihs.com/astm_bos.cfm?RID=Z56&MID=5280&s_kwcid=TC|5891|ASTM%20book||S|b|10562483114&gclid=CLLVzJKbvK8CFe5dtgodSAEIlA)!" Meh. It's probably funnier in the imagination than it would really turn out. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/17/12 at 08:58:55 I think what Pesci said about the difference between the contents in the foods over there vs here is just VERY telling,, Thanks, Pesci.. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 04/17/12 at 09:16:22 3D302A333A2B3E2D3B5F0 wrote:
Belly'tard and Wheatowbot... ;)... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 04/17/12 at 09:33:47 Interesting bit on the news last night:brand name packaged foods manufactured for the Canadian market (soups, chips frozen dinners etc) have about 1/3 more salt in them than the same products do in the US. We be salty folk, we be. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/17/12 at 11:11:35 mpescatori, when I said you had little credibility, I did not mean you as a person, I meant you have little credibility discussing what is in the book, since you haven't read it yet. This still holds true. When you understand what is in the book, you'll have more credibility on this issue. The fact that millions of people have done something wrong for four thousand years does not mean they should continue doing it. They have survived in spite of it, not because of it. We have many millions of people in this country destroying their lives with alcohol and drugs. Many of them seem quite healthy. People have been doing this for a very long time. That doesn't make it good. For thousands of years, people have been smoking. Many of them probably seemed quite healthy. I doubt you would say smoking was good for them. Now it is becoming more widely known that wheat and grains are harmful. It is time for folks to learn about this and transition away from the recurrent damage caused by such poisoning. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/17/12 at 11:16:34 5345524F57424F54200 wrote:
What is the purpose of the Cafe forum? Are discussions on health not allowed? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 04/17/12 at 13:19:53 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
I'd pick "Wheatus" cuz then I'd 1) rock 2) drive blood sugars to hyperactive kid range [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3y9llDXuM&ob=av2e[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 04/17/12 at 18:38:37 If you don't eat your Wheatie every morning your not allow on motorcycle forums,Its plain and simple. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 04/17/12 at 20:12:20 6962626B6768697372060 wrote:
It's odd to me how the ”same” products can be so different. I've read that Mountain Dew is caffeine free in Canuckistan too; something about Canadian law stating that, unless the soft drink is brown, the public should be able to safely assume it is caffeine free. Never tried to verify that I seem to recall thinking the source was generally reputable otherwise. I wish our products were closer to the descriptions of those in mpescatori's neck of the woods. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 04/18/12 at 00:49:02 7D4348555855583A0 wrote:
::) Jeez, I'm trying to shake loose from this thread and here you are throwing your nifty Spiderman web from your shirtcuffs. :-? Er... you DO wear a shirt, I assume ? :D I have not read the book, for a number of practical reasons: 1) I can only obtain it by buying from Amazon.com or BN.com (i.e., based in the US) and pay more for shipping than for the cover price; 2) I am a biased old (well, middleaged) old fart of a biker who knows it is wise to be wary of snake-oil prophets. Having said that, may I quietly observe: - there is more to "doing so&so for a long time doesn't mean it was good for them" than what you say; one thing is to claim "We have many millions of people in this country destroying their lives with alcohol and drugs. ", another is to observe that getting drunk is social entertainment in Northern Europe, but disgraceful in the Mediterranean Basin. English, German and Polish teenagers will go on drinking sprees, Spanish, Italian and Greek teenagers will not (they will in a 10:1 proportion). - you (individually, or as a social whole) have a very very odd sense of time, which is possibly due both to your history and to religious indoctrination. Many are convinced that "once upon a time there was the caveman, then Jesus came along and brought the Good Word", and will go as far as sueing a teacher for the mere claim that in 3000 BC the Egyptians built the Pyramids or that in 300 BC Rome was more civilized than many "modern" nations today. "For thousands of years, people have been smoking." is clear evidence of what I say. Tobacco was introduced in Europe by the Dutch and the English in the 17th Century, just like coffee, cocoa and potatoes. You are off by ... thousands of years... Two scientists with a little more accreditation that Dr.Davis are Weston Price and Sir Robert McCarrison. You can find an interesting comparison between the thesis of Dr.Davis and the findings of the two scientists here: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/wheat-belly-toll-of-hubris-on-human.html#more I take the liberty of two short quotes from the webpage: "Although Dr. Davis provides no evidence linking modern degenerative diseases directly to the development of high-yield dwarf wheat, his hypothesis that the wheat of the last 50 years is quite different in its effects from the wheat of ages past is attractive both because of the ease with which we can reconcile it to several important pieces of scientific evidence and because of the ease with which this message can be spread to many communities who value the role that wheat has played in their ethnic and religious histories, a topic that Dr. Davis addresses with the sensitivity of a true gentleman. " (Please note, I am giving him credit, not smacking him) On the other hand: "This hypothesis is, first and foremost, much easier to reconcile to the findings of Weston Price and Sir Robert McCarrison than competing hypotheses that target all forms of wheat with equal vigor. In his epic work, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (1), Price documented the physical degeneration that consistently followed the introduction of "the displacing foods of modern commerce," which he identified as white flour, sugar, polished rice, syrups, jams, canned goods, and vegetable oils. Price nevertheless held the health-promoting value of whole wheat in high esteem based on several lines of observational, experimental, and clinical evidence. "The most physically perfect people in northern India," Price wrote, "are probably the Pathans who live on dairy products largely in the form of soured curd, together with wheat and vegetables. The people are very tall and are free of tooth decay" (ref. 1, p. 291). " I ask, again, to inquire with the medic of a sports team, how much of the diet of a trained athlete is composed of protein and how much is made of carbohydrates. Sure, any quarterback will jump at the chance to eat a juicy steak for dinner, but the meal he has before a game will be based of carbs. Ask Dr.Davis to deny that. Now, about the engine shutting down at the lights if I drop two gears doing 40-0 on a dime... (more like a half dollar, front brake kind of stiff...) ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/18/12 at 06:31:19 mpescatori, if you won't read the book, and therefore not know what is in it, your comments on the book have no credibility. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/18/12 at 06:55:42 0B353E232E232E4C0 wrote:
Of course ! Just like reading the back cover of a tour guide of Europe doesn't mean you have actually visited the place... er... Continent. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 04/18/12 at 07:46:59 Thanks for that link Maurizio. I have read the book and have now also read this article in its entirety. The article is very well written and extremely interesting. It supports some of Dr. Davis' assertions, debunks others, offers alternative explanations for some and agrees with some for slightly different reasons than Dr. Davis. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 04/18/12 at 08:44:45 Who shot JFK?... Well, if you haven't seen Oliver Stone's JFK, then you have no credibility... Because all the other evidence is wrong, and only what's in the movie is right... In spite of there being proven facts that contradict this... Only facts from the movie are valid... WB is gospel... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/18/12 at 09:53:28 223F2A3C2C2E3B203D264F0 wrote:
Of course ! Just like reading the back cover of a tour guide of Europe doesn't mean you have actually visited the place... er... Continent. ;)[/quote] Exactly. I would have about as much knowledge of what it is like living in Europe as you do about improved health from getting off of wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 04/18/12 at 13:10:30 6A584F585E5C666B565B390 wrote:
+1 That blog post gets particularly good in the second half, where Mr. Masterjohn "puts on his researcher hat" and busts Dr. Davis on the misuse of a few references. Dr. Davis still "liked" the review (as noted in the comments) even though it blows a couple of holes in the WB book. I love science. The truth always floats to the top. :) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/18/12 at 20:01:14 4F42584148594C5F492D0 wrote:
+1 That blog post gets particularly good in the second half, where Mr. Masterjohn "puts on his researcher hat" and busts Dr. Davis on the misuse of a few references. Dr. Davis still "liked" the review (as noted in the comments) even though it blows a couple of holes in the WB book. I love science. The truth always floats to the top. :) [/quote] Whether or not it blows holes is up for debate. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/18/12 at 20:07:35 Over the past few months there have been a few folks on the WB FB page report that bald spots have hair coming back, and/or that gray hair was regaining some color. Another one just reported that same phenomenon today. I'm sure he didn't plan it this way, but if word gets out that after a couple of months of being free of wheat/grains, hair starts growing back in bald spots, Dr. Davis will be a billionaire overnight. This is happening to both genders. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/19/12 at 01:02:09 556B607D707D70120 wrote:
Just what we need, the HAIRY WOMAN ... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/rosie-ksm-sm.jpg On the other hand, as I assume that in the Middle Ages people ate what was available at hand (no Wal-Mart in those days) so according to your theory, if someone was bald... ...he must have been eating wheat...??? ::) What about places where it was too cold to grow wheat ? Like in Northern Europe ? These are 9th Century images of King Charles the Bald, who, being King, had ample access to what little meat was available. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Charles_le_Chauve_denier_Bourges_after_848.jpg/220px-Charles_le_Chauve_denier_Bourges_after_848.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Karel2Holy.jpg/220px-Karel2Holy.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Carlo_calvo.jpg/170px-Carlo_calvo.jpg He wasn't just King, he was Holy Roman Emperor... He most certainly had access to what little meat was available in those days, it being game rather than slaughtered cattle (precious for milk) Has anyone considered baldness is simply a genetic feature of the hair, no more,. no less than being dark haired or blond, or having a big nose or flop ears? Are we confusing genetics with diets ? :-? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/19/12 at 06:37:14 It is kind of frustrating to discuss things with you when you make fanciful accusations/claims about holy roman emporers and medieval walmarts. All I mentioned in that last post was that over the past few months, several folks have chimed in with comments about hair growing back and/or getting thicker as one of the many benefits they are experiencing once they stop abusing wheat. Here's one from 11 hours ago, "6 weeks in, my husband is growing hair on his "bald spot". Me? Menopause reversal, have to shave again...aahhh youth!" No claims, no studies,... none of that. I'm just relating something posted there. Maybe you would tell them it just didn't happen,.. that they just imagined the bald spot filling in. Your paradigm problem about wheat seems to pretty much filter out any info that doesn't match your paradigm. This is quite understandable. Most folks have trouble comprehending what they are not used to comprehending. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 04/19/12 at 09:05:27 013F3429242924460 wrote:
It blows holes. You gotta admit that the WB book is fluffed out in places, in order to make wheat seem worse than it is. Had you dug into the references further, you'd have seen that while they're good peer-reviewed papers, some don't support the claims made in the book. For example, pages 50-51. Davis is trying to make the case that wheat is an addictive drug. He cites a couple of studies where Naloxone was used to block the opiate receptors, the "pleasure center" or whatever in the brain. One study concluded that indeed, Naloxone reduces food consumption in general. The other one concluded that the type of foods Naloxone most consistently deters one from eating are the ones loaded with fats and sugar. Here is a chart from that study: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U2VopVkYJ1Q/TpXOA-xn5HI/AAAAAAAAAUU/wMMc2K12tmk/s320/Naloxone.png Those are the percentages of foods consumed while the subjects were on Naloxone. Non-wheat foods loaded with fats, sugar, or both... consistently down Wheat foods loaded with sugar (cookies, shortbread)... down 30-70% Wheat foods loaded with salt (pretzels, crackers)... down 20-40% Wheat pretty much by itself (bread sticks)..... UP 40% Davis quite misleadingly tries to use this to impugn wheat. He takes the consumption of all the wheat products in aggregate, even the salty and sugary ones, and says that overall, Naloxone reduces wheat consumption 20-odd percent, and that the effect of naloxone "seems particularly specific to wheat." That's BS. The only conclusions you can take from those studies is that taking Naloxone reduces food consumption in general, and the ingredients most avoided are sugar and grease. The blog dude points out other errors in the WB book. You should read his post and tell us what you think. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 04/19/12 at 09:51:05 546A617C717C71130 wrote:
You can also find forums with posts from people that are having sex with aliens... ...other people that drink their own urine... Maybe both... This is the internet...:-?... Here's one... Quote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/19/12 at 11:31:17 You guys argue against this as if I were selling books or trying to get you to sign up for a WW program. It's hard to understand the resistance. -- Even if the Doc emphasized his strong points, and de-emphasized his not-as-strong points, so what? -- What does it matter if someone has a different interpretation of a finding in a study? Why all the effort to find problems with the book, when it benefits people when they stop eating wheats/grains/sugars? -- Granted, some folks have nearly miraculous things happen to them (no more arthritis, diabetes cured completely, arterial plaque gone, etc.), and others just lose a little weight and have their skin clear up. -- The times that people report no good coming from wheat-free-ness are the result of not getting completely off of wheat and grains for at least several weeks. --- It does little good to try it for a few days or a couple weeks. I'm reminded of a buddy of mine I think I have mentioned before in college who tried weightlifting for a week and said it was stupid because nothing at all happened except for getting sore. --- Decades of abusing wheat don't get turned around very quickly. Anyway,.. the results from getting off of wheat are getting more and more publicity. The benefits to most people are remarkable. Most heavy folks who do it the right way, lose a lot of weight, and feel way better day to day than they did before. The things that happened to me are undeniable, and have just been building since last October when I started this. I can fully understand now what he means when he says that while a few benefits will become obvious within the first few weeks, many many more will show up over the next several months. Here are some of the things that have happened to me in the last six months: -- Joint pain and stiffness greatly reduced. The trip to Daytona last month was a lot more comfortable than the several years before. Also, working on the two RYCA bikes is a lot easier,.. I can now squat down to work on something for a while, putting a load on my knees, ankles, and lower back, and pop right back up again. No popping, creaky joints. No walking stooped over for the first few steps until my back loosens up enough to stand up straight. -- Lost 12 lbs. Now 204 lbs on a 6'3" bod. -- After 40 years of misery, no more pounding violent recurring headaches. This is probably the most important benefit to me, personally. -- Appetite noticeably diminished. Hunger pangs gone -- No more fecal combat. Now it's a serene, gentle, and tidy regularity. -- No more allergies. Sinuses are much more open now. Pollen has no effect anymore. -- I used to get a rash if metal was on my skin for more than a day or so. Now, after three decades on not being able to, I am wearing a wedding band again. A few weeks ago I bought my first ever watch with a metal band. No rash. -- More stamina/energy. -- No more melatonin, sominex, etc. Sleeping is much easier. Insomnia is no longer a problem. -- No more heartburn. Good-by tums and tagamet. -- Blood pressure decreased from pre-hypertension to around 120/75. I haven't had anything quantifiable happen to my hair yet. It seems thicker, but there is no way to quantify that. It might just be hope. I present all this info here so any of you who want to take advantage of the benefits can do so, and to ask me about ways to make it work better. (there are lots of ways to screw it up) Anyone wanting to just shoot holes in the book can do so, but for what purpose? -- I'm not here to defend the book,.. just the concept of getting off of all wheat/grains/sugar. -- Saying the Doc's findings from a certain study don't agree with some other interpretation of a certain study has little to do with the way diabetics are transitioned to ex-diabetics after a few weeks of wheat-free-ness, or the way just about everyone that gets off of wheat has something to say about joint stiffness and pain getting better. -- Claiming all he wants to do is to sell books has nothing to do with the fact that my headaches,.. my debilitating and frequent headaches,.. are GONE!! -- The folks that use the system in the book, properly, will reap all kinds of benefits. --- Why resist that? --- What is gained by trying to shoot holes in something that works so well for so many folks? --- If you think all these folks are lying, and you firmly believe it can not work, what good does it do to keep trying to degrade something you don't understand? To sum up, getting off of wheat and grains and sugars is a healthy thing to do. It works (if you get off of ALL wheat and grains and sugars). If you don't like the idea, fine. Just leave it alone. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 04/19/12 at 11:47:41 I'm very healthy and doing fine so I'll leave the nonsense up to the retards. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 04/19/12 at 12:38:48 Here's the deal in the Cafe' section... You can post what you want, as long as it's not too offensive,... ... and we can reply how we want... If all you want is agreement and enthusiasm....why not post wherever you keep getting these testimonials... They all agree with you over there... Anyone here that's interested can go there and read for themselves... Your thread here is becoming a mirror site for WB... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 04/19/12 at 12:50:39 536D667B767B76140 wrote:
So I guess you did NOT want to debate the points in the blog post.. my bad. To do so does not deny the anecdotes posted on the FB page, or mean that there is nothing good in the book, or imply that its advice should be accepted or rejected in an all-or-nothing sort of way. The book still earns a place on my bookshelf, and will collect notes in the margins as various claims are verified or debunked. Though I did not get the main hoped-for benefit, I still feel good enough on low-to-zero wheat (low carbs, less food, less crap synthesized out of grains.. whatever it is) to stick with it. So, thank you for pointing it out. This concludes my participation in this thread. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 04/19/12 at 12:55:05 707D677E7766736076120 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/19/12 at 14:00:51 I was hoping the tinnitus would go away too. Mine decreased a little, but I suspect it was just from not having to take aspirin anymore. Aspirin usually makes the ringing in my ears worse. I guess getting off of wheat can't fix every malady, eh? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/19/12 at 19:46:36 here's a new study, for those of you who like studies. The ending statements are pretty good: "The reason I find this so fascinating is that it perfectly corresponds with the patterns in the Oxford-Cornell China Study, which showed that wheat was the single biggest contributor to BMI out of any diet variable. Calories didn’t matter. Fat didn’t matter. Weight followed the wheat." http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/12/15/new-china-study-links-wheat-with-weight-gai/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/19/12 at 20:17:58 That comment this morning about hair improvements generated a few more comments on the Facebook page: "yes, my hair is growing much faster and thicker than before since I eliminated wheat completely a few months ago. There are some new patches of hair, and they have a brownish color and no gray in them." "My husband keeps his hair very short so its hard to tell yet about regrowth, but his salt and pepper is now much more pepper than salt! He has been wheat free for around 4-5 weeks" "... thicker hair in my pony tail. I use to wrap the little rubber band 3 times and now I am wrapping it only twice. Quite frequently I will be out and about and the rubber band will pop due to too much tension from thicker hair. I had a small bald spot in my eye brow fill in. ...my eye lashes may not be thicker, but they are longer." "... hair transplant several years ago. It was thinning out and I thought I'd be going back in to get it to do again or just live with it. Two months ago I stopped all wheat. The transplanted area is getting denser,.growing back in like it did after the transpant. I'm telling the transplant doctor about wheat." "We are observing much, much less of the usual daily "shedding." It's weird." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/20/12 at 01:42:08 I realize I often write a lot when I participate in a thread, but I strive to separate fact from belief from fiction. 6A545F424F424F2D0 wrote:
It is not a fanciful accusation, it is a testimony from the past, it is my culture. Quote:
This claim describes your attitude perfectly :) It is just as frustrating to carry on a fair, rational discussion when the counterpart replies with the argumentatyions of a taliban... ...meaning of a person who's read ONE book and is now convinced anything which is against that book is the work of the devil! :P May I humbly point out that hair loss may be triggered by two factors: - stress in the family or in the workplace, - endocrinal factors (hormones) In hair loss ceases or hair may even regrow, if the cause for stress is removed and emotional health is recuperated; OR hair may regrow where there was a bald(ing) patch due to desease of the skin, an allergy (perhaps related to something which had nothing to do with wheat, but came with the wheat, such as chemicals in the plastic wrapper) or physical damage which is healing. I had a skin transplant due to cancer at the age of 26, they sliced a portion of skin from my thigh and transplanted it on my neck, under the left ear. My beard grew there, the skin on my thigh was hairy, but once the transplant was successful and the skin took root on my neck, the hair never grew back. Menopausal reversal ? ;D ;D ;D Has the lady told her family Doctor ? What were his comments ? :-X As for all the "improved health" symptoms, may I simply observe: - many improvements are not due to "not eating wheat" but to "not eating the dressings"; many sauces mimick the Italian recipe only by name, but have far more fats than expected, or some ingredients are completely different and allergies may unexpectedly result; cheaper to mass produce but definitely a long way from being "healthy". - many improvements are not due to "not eating wheat" but to "eating less", simply because eliminating the slices of bread or the pasta will result in less volume fed to the stomach (i.e., 2 hot dogs without the bun will result in an overall small portion to be digested, as opposed to the spongy mass which bloats the stomach if you do have the bun) - many improvements are not due to "not eating wheat" but to improving the overall quality of the food eaten; if I cannot have my "chicken pesto fettuccine" (culinary blasphemy, but I'll skip the details) I will add vegetables to the chicken simply to make up for the missing pasta... hety, I'm hungry and DEMAND food on my table! - many improvements are not due to "not eating wheat" but to finding "old" or "traditional" alternatives; no more corn chips for my snack but a healthy apple... corn chips are garbage in the first place, any fried and salted carbohydrate is culinary garbage. Overall, I read many tall tales in the WB FB page (what do you think, I have never accessed the blog? I even contributed to it) but much of the advice asked or the "testimonials" are either clue to nutritional ignorance of the blogger (such as "fat free oil" ;D) or dismissible claims, or explainable as I have just above. I am not slamming Dr.Davis, nor have I insulted you. I still have to understand where Dr.Davis draws scientific evidence for his assumed discovery of the obnoxious "wheat brain fog", I am sure that any scientist at MIT in Boston would take offense. I certainly have. I am ready to bet one whole dollar that while in college and at School of Medicine Dr.Davis stuffed his face with french fries, hot dogs and hamburgers - i.e., carbohydrates as you find in the buns etc. Yet he (assumedly) got through School of Medicine successfully, got his degree and became a cardiologist. THEN, his mind fogged by wheat, he "saw the light" and went on his anti-wheat campaing. Am I being sarcastic ? By the looks of it, yes. I'd rather say the more I think about it and ask around, the stronger my skepticism becomes. If Dr.Davis belonged to a culture or an ethnic group in whose diet wheat is altogether absent, and he went on this campaing, then I'd understand. He's supporting his culture and looking for whatever scientific evidence is avaliable to support it. I do exactly the same when I insist on the virtues of olive oil v.s generic vegetable oil. But I don't go on a rampage telling people who fry their cod in lard they are [please insert polite insult here] and that if they switch to olive oil their life will improve and they will grow wings and fly to work every day. I have read a lot on the so called "paleo diet" fad, which is just that, a fad. To assume that the diet of Man in the Paleolithic was better quality than it is today means: - we deny the improvements due to modernisation, from hygiene to cooking and refrigeration, to medicine, - we deny the scientific evidence that Paleo Man was generally malnourished, fed on a seasonal diet on whatever was available on hand IF he/she was ALLOWED to feet of that food (i.e., hunters/warriors first, then the women, then the elderly). How would you feel, Gyrobob, if the allowed calory intake was defined by age and job ? Serving military ? 5000 calories / day School teacher ? 3000 calories / day Retired ? 1000 calories / day, you can't contribute much to society so why ask for more ? THAT was Paleo Man. Diggings and findings support that. Ride well, and enjoy your "Daly Bread" (now... where have I heard that before ...?) ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/20/12 at 05:48:31 I was in a band for a year or so called Daly Bred. I was just thinking about an incident back in my early USAF days. I had myopia and, of course, the conventional wisdom was that my eyes were bent. The Docs said, "here kid, wear these glasses. They'll correct your vision. They will account for your problem. There's nothing you can do to make your problem go away, so put these on." So,.. I wore the minus prescription glasses so my distant vision cleared up. Then I read about a new way of handling myopia. Wear plus prescription glasses during up close work, and your distant vision will get better. I won't go in to why it works, but it did. At my USAF flight physicals, my vision went from 20/140 to 20/30 and has stayed there since. The Doc asked how that happened, and I told him. He said, "No, that stuff doesn't work." I said, "But Doc, that is the only change I made and my eyes got way better." He said, "It just doesn't work. There are all kinds of studies debunking those quack doctors that claim to cure myopia like that." I said, "But Doc, what about my better vision?' He said, "Well, these tests can change around a lot." I said, "Well, will you write a prescription for me so I can get the USAF to give me some plus prescription glasses?" He said, "No, of course not. That stuff doesn't work." Sounds familiar. I'm here explaining how for me and for zillions of other folks, getting off of wheat creates all kinds of benefits and gets rid of lots of problems. The response is something like the Flight Surgeon's response: No, it doesn't work because it can't work. So,.. I'm wanting to hear someone relate to me some proof as to how using Dr Davis's scheme worsens health. Show me how not eating wheat and grains makes you sickly, and how it does not create any of the benefits I've been relating here. I would be really disappointed if someone can prove to me I am hurting myself from not eating wheat and grains and sugar,... how all those benefits I am savoring now are not really there. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/20/12 at 09:57:52 First of all, may I apologize for mistyping my "Daily bread", I speed type with a full three fingers (four on a good day) but my typing becomes dyslexic when my fingers get wrapped around each other and... :-X Second, Gyrobob, I actually liked your last reply. BUT Have you ever submitted your own experience to a Medical Journal ... of American Ophthalmologists (hey! I can spell that!!! :D) and ask them how on earth that happened ? Are you now to 20/20 vision ? As I said, I am a skeptic BUT paying attention. As a whole, your proposed diet can't work on a planetary scale, there is just too much requirement for grazing land (=real estate) to allow for cattle/sheep/pigs/whatever to be raised to feed the 7 Billion we are on this planet. As I said some 50 pages ago, on the land you need to graze cattle to feed one family, you can grow wheat to feed a village. AND you need less water AND you produce less CO2 AND you get the same crop every year (+/-) wothout having to slaughter the cows to allow what little grass there is to feed the calfs AND you don't have to chase the wheat as it wonders in the fields and gets lost... :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 04/20/12 at 13:02:10 IMHO... On the side of the skeptics, I think it's entirely possible that food crops are being modified (and processed) in ways that contribute to health problems, especially for those with sensitivities. Unless our numbers are dramatically reduced or we offload a significant portion of our populace to other worlds, we as a species will need to move away from our dependency on animal meat as it is now raised and processed. It is extremely inefficient use of resources. I'm no vegetarian. There are nutrients we get from meat that we cannot synthesize within our own bodies from plant sources. To be healthy as a vegetarian, it's necessary to carefully balance your sources and still take supplements. There are also concerns about hormone-like flavonoids in soy products and beliefs that they may mimic estrogen when consumed in sufficient quantities, etc. Personally, I just haven't been that motivated when there's meat around. However, the world can't keep going the way it has forever. There are currently efforts being undertaken to grow synthetic meat and someday allow us move away from such inefficient use of limited resources. It has yielded results but they are nowhere near being affordable on any scale, nor can they produce anything beyond synthetic ground beef -- yet. It is very important that we also do the due diligence to ensure that new/modified crops/foods and/or processing methods don't negatively impact health. Unfortunately, since the only entities with sufficient resources to develop new/modified foodstuffs are for-profit corporations (certainly not the governments they buy/rent), you can bet the profit margin outweighs public safety any day of the world. The only way public health matters is if it affects the bottom line in either a positive or negative manner. That said, it's not in the interests of any of these entities for the public to have any awareness of potential health problems, should they exist. I may be paranoid but I prefer to think of it as a healthy distrust of megacorporations and governments alike. We have made a lot of progress in the past 10-12 millennia and we've also begun to pick up speed at a phenomenal rate in the past century to the point it may well be outpacing our ability to control it properly. As a species we have some definite difficulties today and they are only going to get worse without some sort of paradigm shift (I hate to use the word "change" anymore). If we actually make it past December of this year, we are going to need to really think about our grandchildren and their futures. All of this going into my thought processes, I believe modern processed wheat products could very easily be bad. Whether it's the wheat itself, the processing, or all the other junk in the end products that are the major problems are points of contention. Personally, I now limit my carbs but still eat grains. Except for rare occasions, processed stuff is out. That applies to hot dogs as easily as it does the hot dog buns. Hell, even ground beef has pink slime in it now. I also limit dairy intake more than most folks. I'm not lactose intolerant, at least not to any extent of which I'm aware. I say that because I've read that all humans have some level of lactose intolerance once weaned. I'm just not a fan of cow-squeezins except for some cheese, greek yogurt and ice cream. I only occasionally have the latter and usually it's sugar-free. If you read this far, thanks for your patience. This started as me "thinking out loud" on the keyboard but as I reread the resulting text it starts to look like a rant. Please understand that it's not meant that way. It's meant only as part of the overall conversation. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/22/12 at 13:25:24 Hey, SavageRob, I liked your rant... er... conversation. And I am certain you are right about your concerns. Is tap water safe to drink ? It is OK / safe / good / excellent in different parts of the world, depending on how polluted the water sources are and the local available technology AND the local laws AND the honesty and integrity of the local politicians. Back in Paleo days, water was spring water, or dranw from a pond or a river. In the first case, spring water you could drink as it came out of thr ground; but anybody knows you have to filter (if not boil) pond or river water. Incidentally, small technological breakthroughs allowed for better living conditions; not only did the mastery of fire allow to cook food, but the mastery of clay allowed to create pottery, which allowed you to stew foods (rather than roast them) and to boil water... SOUP ! This is no joke. Pottery is perhaps a greater invention than fire. Fire, you learn to master, but pottery is a discovery which greatly improved the standards of living. Fast forward to 4000 BC. Man learns to irrigate and mass agriculture is the next step. Just like we have 100 types of apples from the one wild apple tree, we also have man who selects and creates many kinds of grains until he decides which are best for intensive agriculture; Maize (corn) manioca and tapioca in the Americas, wheat, barley, hops, various types of rice in Eurasia and mostly barley in Africa. You have to go to "post-WW2" to come to "GMO wheat". So, to claim "wheat is bad"... to claim "the human body is not made to digest wheat"... well, I'm skeptic. The evidence is that I can ask an eskimo to go by a Zulu diet, replace all his fish and seal meat with buffalo and beef... he WILL be ill, there are records of epic failures of the Brits and French to "educate" the Eskimo, they have to eat fish and seal blubber. You can ask an Australian Aborigene to eat rabbit, or tuna, but he won't be well as he would be by eating kangaroo or crocodile meat. British records prove it. But the remarkable thing is that no matter frmo which part of the world "promitive" populations came from, feed them any kind of grain, their body will accept it. European settlers immediately became accustomed to maize (corn), and the American Indians never complained of "white man's flour"; Eskimos traded their catch with American Indian Nations which lived further south, and among the items you could regularly find some kind of grain; and the Australian Aborigene picked and milled wild grains. In fact, in the Bible agriculture and raising animals (sheep&goats, in this case) are listed side by side in Genesis; Abel was a farmer, and his older brother Cain (the ill-tempered one) raised stock. They are not father and son, nor grandpa and grandson, which would lead to believe one came before the other; they are brothers. I DO believe GMO agriculture is the curse, the scourge of orporations, I also believe the original thing, natural wheat as it was a mere few decades ago, cannot be bad. Let us not mistake modern Frankenstein GMOs with the Real McCoy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/24/12 at 06:30:52 6C7164726260756E7368010 wrote:
I have not submitted any of that on the vision thing. My situation is quite common. Some eye Docs understand it and use it, most others just do what they were taught in medical school: "It can't work, so your eyes didn't get better." This is real similar to what most "nutritionists" will tell you about all the benefits of getting off of grains. "Whole grains are healthy. You got better in spite of not eating any grains." I agree it would be difficult to undo the way the planet is addicted to wheat. Just think, though, how much human misery would be reduced if the problems with arthritis, atherosclerosis, blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, etc. were greatly reduced. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/24/12 at 06:56:32 0331263137350F023F32500 wrote:
I'm not prepared to address how our race would handle moving to other planets or how we might move away from eating previously living things. It could be done, but I have no expertise in how to work such an endeavor. I only started this thread with a modest goal. Do this Wheat Belly thing and report what happens to me here. What I have to report is that this regimen is a life-changing deal. I was 64 when I started this and felt about 70. Now I feel about 40. I even think I look a bit better -- thinner waist, skin way better, hair thicker, etc. My ride to Daytona a few weeks ago was much less punishing than the several trips before that. You said, "to be as healthy as a vegetarian." My understanding from researching these issues is that that is a negative statement. I agree there are all kinds of nefarious things being done with the world's food supply under the banner of getting more food (and profit) out of existing resources. This is addressed well in the Doc's book. What is the significance of this December? If it is the Mayan thing, they had their December 2012 a couple of years ago. Still eating grains, eh? Sorry to hear that. Just on a whim, why don't you try grain-free-ness for a couple of months? It certainly can't hurt any, and you will be surprised at what happens. There's nothing wrong with dairy at all, as long as you keep it low-carb. Some yogurts have 20 carb grams in one dinky little serving! Plain milk has a lot of carbs too, and the lower the fat, the higher the carbs. I drink unsweetened unflavored almond milk with a 16:1 ratio of milk to heavy whipping cream. That gives me some healthy fat along with a good bit of flavor and has less than one gram of carbs per serving. Good comments! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/24/12 at 07:09:04 "So, to claim "wheat is bad"... to claim "the human body is not made to digest wheat"... well, I'm skeptic." Me too, I was real skeptical. I always start off as a "disbeliever." I am hard to convince, but once I am convinced,.. I am really convinced. I researched this a lot. What I discovered, once I dismissed the hype, claims, and profit-oriented motivations, was that grains are bad. Oh, sure, you can exist okay if you eat them all the time,... and,.. if you switch from really awful grains to mostly awful grains, you will see an improvement. But!!,... get off of grains altogether and things truly get better. I know this. I am living it,.. and no amount of hyperbole stating that it can't work phases me a bit. Just like the USAF eye doc who told me my eyes actually didn't get any better even though I could pass a 20/20 test (with 20/40 eyes that used to be 20/140), folks who tell me that getting off of grains is bad just don't have much influence. How can I be affected by someone telling me I'll get worse if I don't eat wheat when I keep getting better by not eating wheat? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 04/24/12 at 09:42:06 0739322F222F22400 wrote:
Nope, that's a misquote and I think you misunderstood my meaning too. I said "To be healthy as a vegetarian, it's necessary to carefully balance your sources and still take supplements." In other words, it is necessary for vegetarians to both carefully balance their nutrition sources and take supplements in order to maintain proper nutrition. At least, that's what I've been able to glean from all of the myriad conflicting sources available. There are amino acids, such as Taurine, which the human body cannot synthesize in sufficient quantities and the remainder must come from animal sources or supplements. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/24/12 at 12:51:39 6755425553516B665B56340 wrote:
Nope, that's a misquote and I think you misunderstood my meaning too. I said "To be healthy as a vegetarian, it's necessary to carefully balance your sources and still take supplements." In other words, it is necessary for vegetarians to both carefully balance their nutrition sources and take supplements in order to maintain proper nutrition. At least, that's what I've been able to glean from all of the myriad conflicting sources available. There are amino acids, such as Taurine, which the human body cannot synthesize in sufficient quantities and the remainder must come from animal sources or supplements.[/quote] Ah. To be healthy, a vegetarian has to find ways to make up for not eating what we were designed to eat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 04/25/12 at 23:43:11 +1 for Gyrobob |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Stimpy - FSO on 05/01/12 at 15:10:24 LOOK WHAT I FOUND! 8-) The whole book in 1 hour straight from the horses mouth. William Davis - The Dangers of Wheat April 29, 2012 Dr. William Davis, cardiologist and seeker-of-truth in health exposes "healthy whole grains" for the incredibly destructive genetic monsters they've become. Over 80% of the people he meets today are pre-diabetic or diabetic. In an effort to reduce blood sugar, he asked patients to remove all wheat products from their diet based on the simple fact that foods made of wheat flour raise blood sugar higher than nearly all other foods, regardless if the wheat is organic, multi- grain, whole grain or sprouted. The results were positively drastic. Dr. Davis will discuss the benefits of going wheat free. We'll cover genetic changes of wheat verses ancient grains. He explains how modern wheat is an opiate and appetite stimulant. William also breaks down the internal components of wheat and how they interact with the body in negative ways linked to a slew of health problems. He also explains the great lie of gluten free bread. Why aren't doctors giving this important research any attention? Click here to watch or to download the audio mp3 (free & legal) http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/04/RIR-120429.php Enjoy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/05/12 at 18:45:46 Nicely done, Stimpy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/05/12 at 18:46:37 This is a real eye-opener. The Doc says when he saw this, it terrified him. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244818-Amazing-Photos-Show-What-the-World-Really-Eats |
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Title: Re: "Wheat Belly" - Arthur's Story Post by Stimpy - FSO on 05/07/12 at 09:03:07 So, who out there still needs a bit of motivation to get rid of those nasty death handles and that butterball you swallowed whole ?? ...I give you Arthur's Story [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wVbvOg704k[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 05/08/12 at 04:30:11 605E5548454845270 wrote:
If you enlarge the photos to full screen and study them carefully, you will notice that "Anglosaxon" families have a much higher intake of animal fats, candies and processed sweets as opposed to "Mediterranean" families. I am sorry the pictures obnly show a partial view of the overall situation. The first three pics show USA, Mexico and canada, respectively. 3 pictures, three nations, one continent. Then comes Italy, with its huge array of fresh produce (look well, there's more fresh produce on the Italian table than the three North American tables combined). If you compare the Italian table to the German and the English tables, you will see why I insist there is no such thing as "the European diet". The Germans abound with fat meats like pork and beef, abound with beer and processed fruit drinks. The English have so much processed sugars in their diet you will not be surprised to know they are THE most obese nation in Europe (never mind the pic of those four...) Then comes China... which China ? When one nation is large as all of Europe and has four times the European population, to examine one family adnd claim "that's China" is oversimplifying... ...might as well have only one picture for North America and claim "that's America". Japan sports a diet rich in rice and its derivatives, and A LOT OF fresh produce. That's how they live so long (so do we, by the way... ;)) Chad. Typical example of misinformation and political propaganda, as in "feel guilty!" Where's Egypt ? Where's Morocco ? Where are Kenya or South Africa or Maagascar ? ::) So Chad, to my eyes, is a non-photo, dismiss it. Incidentally, the Italian pic is perhaps the only one to be 100% honest, it's the only one where you see cigarette cartons in the rear... ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/08/12 at 10:26:10 So,.. cut out the wheat, grains, and sugar, and you'll be a lot healthier. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Trippah on 05/08/12 at 20:52:25 Gyrobob - sounds like the change suits you well. I was taught that vasoconstrictors (caffeine, nicoteine) are tinnitus makers..perhaps high blood pressure also. I've got it, especially after my 10th cup of coffee of the day....but even when I wake up its lurking in the background. :'( |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/09/12 at 13:42:45 5E78637A7A6B620A0 wrote:
Yes, caffeine increases the intensity of the ringing, but not as much as aspirin. One of the beauties of getting off of wheat is that I have no more headaches, and my joint pain has pretty much disappeared. Therefore, no more aspirin, which means I'm not always forcing the tinnitis to get more intense all the time. Also, another niceness of being aspirin-free is that cuts and scrapes and bruises heal up faster. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/10/12 at 07:04:25 http://www.dukandiet.co.uk/ http://www.dukandiet.com/ Certainly looks familiar... sounds familiar... and it's been going on for some 30 years... Dr. Pierre Dukan is a French medical doctor with thirty-five years of experience in clinical nutrition. While he began his medical career specializing in neurology, Dr. Dukan discovered and refined his successful weight loss method while working with over 40,000 of his patients in his General Practice. Since then he has spent his career helping people lose weight and keep it off forever. You guys sure the Dr. from Wisconsin never went to Paris ? ::) Or even anywhere on the East Coast ? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/12 at 09:46:13 http://i.usatoday.net/news/graphics/2012/0507-obesity-trend/obesity-over-time.gif The surge in Diet drinks & Low Fat/Low Cal food & drinks weve seen over the last 20 years isnt working, at all. These products contain only empty calories & leave the body craving nutrition, so, the tummy is full, but the mouth wants more to eat. & Eat we do.,.but the foods, even the vegetables, havent the Proper Nutrition, there are no minerals left in the soils, the plants are fed a ratio of "nutrients" that allow the plant to grow, but there are no minerals in the soil & NPK fertilizers make plants grow & produce lovely vegetables, theres just nowhere near the nutritive value in those vegetables we need, so, we crave More, Organic gardening uses compost, mulched tree parts, wood ashes, & ashes have all the minerals the tree took up from the soil, as does the mulch, & composted foods return many good things to the soil., microorganisms that the soil needs to create healthy plants, Industrializing food production may not have been the best idea, at least not to the degree we have done it, I can see how societies need Food Producers. Not everyone needs to do that, not everyone needs to be a doctor,or m3echanic, but to have our foods produced 2 days trucking away means we get stuff that hasnt even really ripened to its optimal point to eat before its harvested, even "Organic Lettuce" isnt food. I can toss a head of organic lettuce on the counter next to some I raised & the stuff I raised will be inedible in a matter of hours, but the store bought Organic stuff will still be crisp for days, because it is sprayed with an enzyme to stop it from decomposing. We arent equipped to digest it, it digests itself. I can eat a big "Organic Salad" & my stomach feels bad, or I can eat mine.. & not suffer. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/10/12 at 10:40:17 Did you notice the biggest jump was in the Clinton years when the economy was really good.I new GWB had a reason to screw up the economy,He was looking after his people. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/10/12 at 20:47:06 During the 50's, 60's, and 70's, the obesity range stayed somewhere near 15%. Several things happened in the 80's, though, that created a "perfect storm" for fat Americans. -- Rapid "improvements" in wheat growing, to include upping the percentage of gliadin in the wheat. Gliadin is an opiate-like (meaning addictive) protein,.. a part of gluten. -- The USDA came out with their dietary guidelines emphasizing grains. Remember the food triangle? -- Increased advertising from wheat based companies (wonderbread, wheaties, graham crackers, etc.) who realized with the new lower costs of growing wheat, they could make money that upstaged Chevron as pikers. -- Several governmentally-subsidized organizations started touting idiocy like low calorie, low cholesterol, low fat, whole grains, as the way to stay healthy. All these kinds of things caused the obesity rate to do what it shows in the chart. As a nation, we are fat and getting fatter rapidly. The sooner we can get off of wheat/grains/sugar, the sooner we can get that chart to get back down. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/11/12 at 06:22:23 You can eat all you want as long as you burn it off working or playing.Wheat germ is best for building muscles. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 05/11/12 at 07:36:46 7B7075752F2E190 wrote:
I agree. The fittest I ever was was when I worked at a brewery after college. In collage we had a meal plan that allowed you to eat as much as you wanted. The suppers were fatty cheap cuts of meat, lots of potatoes, boiled vegetables, sugary deserts. Snacks were toast with cheese wiz, boiled eggs, peanut butter and jam. And beer- lots of it. I grew kind of pudgy. After college I got a temp job as a laborer at a local brewery. Some of the work was very hard- the kind where they worked you for half an hour and rested you for 15 min. Some was easy, just sitting making up boxes or "foam picking". They also gave you a beer at break, two at lunch, (they had two cafeterias so you could get four at lunch if you were fast) another for afternoon break, and two after work. There was also beer hidden in several places around the plant, so you could sneak a couple more during the day. Keeping count? That's ten beer at work alone. Then I would go home and drink two or three more. Say a dozen a day. In the six weeks I worked there I lost all my pudginess, and gained quite a bit of muscle mass. Net weight loss of about 25lbs. (had to buy new pants and shorts) Beer has wheat in it doesn't it? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/11/12 at 07:46:04 Beer has NO wheat if made preperly. German Beer Law, Reinheitsgebot, was established in 1516 and sentenced that beer was to be made of water, barley and hops, and nothing else. See Wikipedia. If anyone makes beer our of wheat, it's their problem. Just like some bozos driving wannabe jaguars or ferraris with Chevrolet engines under the hood. :P :P :P |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 05/11/12 at 07:49:50 Just like some bozos driving wannabe jaguars or ferraris with Chevrolet engines under the hood. That's so they can actually drive them instead of having them worked on all the time. ;D My cousin had an E type Jag and it was in the shop more than it was in his driveway. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/11/12 at 10:34:06 Someday you guys will learn about blood sugar spikes. When that happens, and it will scare you, you'll start looking for ways to keep a steady and moderately low blood sugar level. If you eat wheat and grains and sugar, you have no choice,... you are bombarding your system with blood sugar spikes, with the pancreas being the main victim. Keep it up long enough, and you will be in a long line of diabetics, arthritics, heart disease-ists, and people. This is not a theory. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 05/11/12 at 13:46:18 Some day YOU will learn what normal blood sugars are after eating. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/11/12 at 17:54:51 6C67676E626D6C7677030 wrote:
You have some learning yet to do. I know what they are from real world experience, and from a lot of research. Had you understood these things, your pancreas would be in much better shape. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 05/12/12 at 05:07:56 2F24242D212E2F3534400 wrote:
If the US system can't train a proper mechanic... it's your problem. Italy and britain have been enjoying V12s since the '60s, and even today a V8 sports car from maranello is looked upon as "poor man's Ferrari". http://www.motorisumotori.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ferrari-308-gtb-side-3_102.jpg V8 "308 GTB"... ... ...http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/ferrari-512-bbi-boxer-1.jpg V12 "512 Berlinetta" A Jaguar V12 5.3liter could easily outperform a US V8 as long as it was in proper state of tune... the point is it was difficult to find a properly trained mechanic on your side of the Atlantic AND smog heads ruined more than one engine. http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3586606.1331158919!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7208/6923120933_af57f555cd_z.jpg In the UK they teased me and my Fiat Uno as "Fix It Again, Tony!" to which I would reply "if Tony is a sucker mof a mechanic, find yourself another mechanic" My Fiat Punto was a 70bhp 1360cc Turbodiesel which would outspeed a 100bhp Ford Sierra (1.6 liter) anytime. http://www.lanciaflavia.it/public_old_foto/img-1255946227.jpg http://unoturbo29.no.sapo.pt/Meu%20td%20a%20177%20kmh%20em%20recta.gif Going back to V12s and poor mechanics, I understand NASCAR are still racing V8s with pushrod OHV distribution and carbs, and restrictors "if the car is too fast for the track"...??? What about the driver showing his skill and the race engineers showing their professionality? Why leave it all to coat&tie managers? Back to you, folks 8-) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/12/12 at 05:10:33 447A716C616C61030 wrote:
You have some learning yet to do. I know what they are from real world experience, and from a lot of research. Had you understood these things, your pancreas would be in much better shape.[/quote] Please explain what happens when you eat some fresh fruit... oranges, peaches, apricots... maybe a banana as well. Sugar spikes ! It's NORMAL !!! I tried explaining but you seem to have panicked, which is a pity. Please spend a fraction of the time researching sugar spikes to understand the metabolism of fats, and tell me what happens when you eat a steak... ...not right then and there, but in the following 36-48 hours... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 05/12/12 at 05:19:43 Like talking to a brick wall. What irks me the most is that some people might believe you actually know what you are talking about. And yes I have read the book and my initial reaction to The Great Doctor has remained unchanged: He is using the Atkins diet with a new twist (blame it on wheat). The book is written in a sensationalist style, and he uses the phrase "one can assume from this data" or "this study"..... far too much. ( we all know what assume means) And his claims are just ridiculous- a cure for diabetes is the most deceiving, but hair loss? arthritis? I am surprised he didn't claim a cure for erectile dysfunction too.... or maybe he did and I missed it. :-? This is snake oil risen to new heights- nothing more. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/12/12 at 10:04:32 If you refuse to understand what blood sugar spikes do to you, I'm not going to get all that angsty about it. My purpose here in this thread is not to try to convince those who have unchangeable paradigm problems to stop believing what they believe in, no matter how erroneous those beliefs are. My purpose is to relate all the good things that happen when a person stops eating wheat, other grains, sugar, and high-carb food. There is lots to relate. No amount of you telling me it didn't happen will convince me it didn't happen. It did happen.,... I feel a few decades younger because of what is happening to me, and I am certainly not alone. Some of you are trying to convince me that being sugarfree, wheatfree, grainfree, and low-carb doesn't work. You'll never convince me of that. It just plain works. -- It would be kind of silly for me to say,"Oh wow,.. and here all along I thought all these huge benefits I have been enjoying over the past eight months were real! I guess I better stop and go back to eating all that stuff that was making feel so bad before. Darn." -- Maybe you would have me tell the lady, whose kid had MS, she should have her kid start eating Shredded Mini-Wheats again. They probably still have the wheelchair he hasn't been using in the past few months. -- Maybe you would have me tell the hundreds of folks on the Wheat Belly Facebook page who have lost tons (literally) of weight they should start eating wheat, grains, and sugar again. There's always Weight Watchers, eh? -- Maybe you would have me tell the diabetics who are no longer diabetic that getting their blood sugar down to a consistent and moderately low level really doesn't mean much, so they should start back in with the WGC (wheaty grainy crap) and insulin shots. -- Maybe you would have me tell the arthritics whose joint pain has disappeared to start eating bagels and pasta again, and just go back to cortisone shots and Ben-gay and crutches. The overall point is that it seems kind of silly for you to try to convince me this doesn't work. -- It works really well. -- The way you are trying to convince me how wrong this is makes me think of a situation like this: --- In March of 1502, Columbus is having a meeting with his crew and sponsors, planning the fourth trip to the new world. --- A Bishop from the Catholic Church crashes the meeting and instructs Columbus to call off the trip, saying it is against all the teachings of the church and against all common sense. "We all know the earth is flat!" --- Columbus says, "But your holiness, we have done this three times already. We have discovered all kinds of new things. The benefits are pretty good so far, and will be even better when we learn how to best use it all. The payback will be astounding!" --- The Bishop says, "Doesn't matter. You are wrong. The world is flat. You can not sail past the horizon indefinitely, you will fall off. The Pope says so. In the name of the church, stop what you are doing." --- The church is the FDA and USDA, and a few of you guys are Bishops. Here's one of my frustrations with these discussions,... A lot of the folks here at Suzukisavage.com are missing out on things that can make their lives a lot better. All I can do, I guess, is to stick to my guns and keep relating all the ways this way of living betters a person's life so much. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/12 at 10:23:57 Blood sugar swings are normal, but are the swings we see now anywhere near Natural? Remember the difference,it matters. America is seeing a huge increase in diabetes, & other diseases that were pretty obscure when I was a kid. There are dialysis places popping up like Starbucks around here. If one has diabetes, they need to carefully regulate what they eat & how often they eat to keep the blood sugar from swinging up & down. Its possible to completely reverse some types of diabetes that way, I wonder what things were like before industrialization. Before getting up, eating breakfast, heading off to work, waiting on the whistle to blow so a guy could eat his lunch & go back to work, I wonder just how naturally we feed our bodies. Are we really designed to eat 3 meals a day? Or is our system more comfortable eating a few bites every 30 minutes or so.. ? I seriously dont know.,but I have a suspicion its the latter. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/12/12 at 10:51:29 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
Good points. Wild and frequent blood sugar spikes CAUSE diabetes, and, yes, it is possible for diabetes to go away with a lot of care put into keeping the blood sugar level low and steady. Just ask the dozens of ex-diabetics testifying to this very thing on the WheatBelly FB page. Our bodies are not designed to eat three squares a day. They are designed to eat intermittently. Our digestive system, for example is not designed to have to process food constantly. It is much more comfortable (and will last longer before problems set in) if it gets resting periods of a day or two now and again. This all harkens back to days of yore when our eating schedule depended somewhat on when we managed to kill something. To that end, I fast occasionally. I have been fasting for 36 to 48 hrs at a time for a few months now,... maybe twice a month. For one thing, it lowers the food bill 10%. Once you get the wheatfree grainfree sugarfree thing going well, your interest in food decreases quite a bit (the obsession goes away), so fasting is way easy. On one of the 48-hr fasts I tracked my blood sugar. It varied from 71 to 77 with no particular schedule to the slight ups and downs. For the dinner to end the fast, I had shredded pork, salad, cole slaw, gumbo, raw oysters, grainfree bread, and iced tea. The blood sugar an hour after that was 82. Here is a link to a guy who really knows a lot about fasting: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-weight-loss/#axzz1r23Idtvc |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/18/12 at 09:05:44 I just got banned from my 1964 High School Reunion Facebook page because of my radical views on blood sugar spikes. I'm crushed. How will I ever be able to finish out my life with such humiliation and shame? It is especially troubling since I'll probably live 40 years more than I was supposed to now. Darn it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 05/18/12 at 10:29:04 407E7568656865070 wrote:
I guess Facebook is not as tolerant as us. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/18/12 at 11:14:18 2823232A2629283233470 wrote:
I guess Facebook is not as tolerant as us.[/quote] I had thoughts along those very lines. We get a bit exercised on occasion, but I note that generally on any issue in this crowd (not just harmful wheat) the discussions keep hacking away at various issues. Apparently my classmates of 1964 in Sunnyvale, CA, have gotten a bit testy in their advanced stage of life. I think what really might have pissed some of them off was when I intimated they might not get so angry if they'd stop eating wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Arnold on 05/18/12 at 11:15:36 Not now that they have investors with high expectations. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by verslagen1 on 05/18/12 at 11:37:32 1D2328353835385A0 wrote:
I see the apple didn't fall too far from the tree ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/18/12 at 12:02:49 What happens if I put a couple cherries in my gas tank will I get a spike in performance. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 05/18/12 at 12:12:41 515A5F5F0504330 wrote:
Give it a shot and let us know how it goes. Are we talking fresh cherries, maraschinos or those unrecognizable things in fruitcakes? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/18/12 at 18:14:50 Bill,.. are you still redacting your arrowroot, or plebiscite? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Serowbot on 05/18/12 at 18:23:29 Recent studies show,... lack of wheat makes people supercilious... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/18/12 at 18:55:39 3523342931242932460 wrote:
You must have read your studies in a mirror. What they really show (no kidding) is that brain fog dissipates quite a bit with the removal of wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/18/12 at 19:22:16 Gyro don't you know humans have been eating wheat 1000's of years without wheat you wouldn't even be here. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/18/12 at 19:35:07 303B3E3E6465520 wrote:
Your logic always ceases to amaze me, william. With that kind of "thinking" you could say "Gyro don't you know humans have been eating other humans for 1000's of years without oral gratification you wouldn't even be here." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/20/12 at 10:46:48 447A716C616C61030 wrote:
You must have read your studies in a mirror. What they really show (no kidding) is that brain fog dissipates quite a bit with the removal of wheat.[/quote] Gyro, for all that I admire and respect your defense of the "good" Dr. to the hilt, your statement about "brain fog" cannot but be offensive. Greek Philosophers ate wheat in abundance, yet made modern day society as we know it because of the importance of their thought. Theologicians of old, such as St.Augustine and St.Thomas Aquinas ate wheat. Philosophers and theologicians of the Far East ate wheat, or rice, or whatever other cereal was the main staple, and they became famous regardless of your "bran fog": Confucius, Lao Tse, Sun Tzu. George Washington wouldn't have grown to be whom he became had it not been for oatmeal and grits. Please find me a wheatless philosopher. The only man whose name comes to mind was Attila the Hun, famous, yet anything BUT a philosopher. True, he was meatless; yet, he made history as "the Scourge of God". Good try, I'd rather be Julius Caesar than Attila the Hun any time. Your call. And please bring facts other than "The Book", else I'll have to rename you as GyroTaliban ;) (get the joke?) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/20/12 at 20:39:02 mpescatori and bill, your kind keeps trying to prove to me it can't work. You have a lot in common with the USAF doctors I mentioned earlier. "Your eyes can not be any better, Lieutenant, that kind of thing doesn't work." Your attempt seems to be to bring up all kinds of postulations as to why getting off of wheat and grains and sugar won't do any good. You should find some other basis for debate, because: -- No amount of emphasis on your part will undo all the ways (17 to date, I think) getting off of wheat/grains/sugar has made me feel 30 years younger. -- No amount of emphasis will convince the parents of the kids with MS, epilepsy, and autism that their kids are not better. -- No amount of emphasis will convince the folks on the Wheat Belly FB page that, collectively, they have not lost literally tons and tons of fat. -- No amount of emphasis will convince the many kids I have read about on that FB page that their zits are GONE! -- No amount of emphasis will tell those diabetics who are NOT diabetics anymore that they might as well give up their wheat-free grain-free sugar-free low-carb lifestyle because it can't work. I doubt they will do that. I doubt they would willingly return to bagels and oatmeal and linguine and glyburide and metformin. I can pretty much assure you they are a lot happier being free of the drugs and the diabetes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/21/12 at 01:50:48 gyro I think your listening to a witch doctor. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/21/12 at 02:38:59 No, sir, I'm trying to make you realize your use of the term "brain fog" is offensive. I have tried time and time again to make you understand you cannot tell a person "your brain is fogged". I'm certain that if you were to comment to someone sitting next to you on his "brain fog" because he was enjoying a beer and pretzels, you would stand a wheaty good chance of waking up in the ER with a broken nose and quite a few good teeth missing. It happens, when you carelessly smile into a beer mug. I have not insulted anyone, I have always brought hard evidence which goes far beyond the one book you tout. As for MS, if you mean "Multiple Sclerosis", may I kindly warn you that you are treading the dangerous path of Simon Magus: you are selling snake oil. The same applies to epilepsy and autism. Now please go and research who that guy was. Until then, I acknowledge your right to beiong enthusiastic on the statements contained in one book. I DO NOT acknowledge you any right to insist with insulting your fellow Forum posters. Be it Brain fog, fig or f*g, or any other three-letter combination of the alphabet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/12 at 04:16:59 Not Everyone is wheat sensitive & not everyone suffers from Brain Fog. Long before this thread, my doctor & I had a long talk about this.. Brain Fog may be imperceptible or debilitating, slow enough onset of symptoms in a fairly mild case,could allow the sufferer to mislabel them & believe they are simply the aging process. The way peoples bodies handle wheat today is different than it was back in the early days. The changes we see are very recent. Antibiotics are, IMO, the main culprit, damaging the flora in the gut, causing leaky gut syndrome, paving the way for food allergies. According to my Dr, nearly everyone is sensitive to wheat now, to some degree, because of our compromised intestines., |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/21/12 at 06:16:51 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
You're heading in the right direction. Yes, modern wheat has many things wrong with it. And,. yes it is true people have varying sensitivities to the damage done from wheat. What is being realized now by a growing number of scientists, researchers, and preventive cardiologists, is the following: -- All wheat is harmful, modern wheat is worse than the wheat of 8,000 years ago. -- All people react negatively to any kind of wheat. Some people have tougher bodies that don't seem to show the damage being done,.. at least right away. Others react overtly and quickly. I spent most of my life in the latter category without realizing it. I thought all the problems I was having was just something "up with which I had to put," as the doctors told me. I spent decades with headaches, joint pain, irregularity, sleeping problems, skin problems, etc., all of which disappeared within a week or so after not eating any wheat. Just like that! Brain fog is but one of the mental (or nervous system) situations made worse by wheat. Nonetheless, most folks, after being free of wheat for a few days, notice an increased clarity. I thought I was just getting senile over the past few years when I would do things like walking in to a room holding something wondering why I had gone to that room holding that something. That kind of thing just doesn't happen anymore. I just wish I would have known this 50 years ago. I wish my parents would have known this. I am infuriated with the government numbskull whores who perpetrated (and continue to perpetrate) this miserable hoax on hundreds of millions of people, including me. My life would have been quite a bit better had I not been "wheated" for my entire existence. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/21/12 at 06:29:20 When you walked into that room holding something did you have your pants down. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/21/12 at 14:05:40 2E2520207A7B4C0 wrote:
My, how refreshing it would be if you made a valid comment sometime. Truly, it is not necessary to continually demonstrate to the rest of us how meaningless your comments can be. We understand. No kidding,.. sometime why don't you try to make some sort of point that deals with the issues,... something more profound than "nuh-uh." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 05/21/12 at 16:03:38 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
Yup, I think there are a lot of contributing factors and it's really difficult to know which ones contribute what percentage or how they interact with each other to screw us over. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by arteacher on 05/21/12 at 16:03:58 6C5259444944492B0 wrote:
Gyro: If wheat causes MS, epilepsy, acne, diabetes, poor eyesight, hair loss, brain fog, autism, ringing ears, sore muscles, arthritis, gastric problems, and God knows what else, don't you think someone other than The Great Doctor would try to cash in? The money to be made curing hair loss alone would make someone a billionaire. And no amount of self delusional ignoramus' will ever convince me, or anyone in the medical profession that wheat is the cause of MS, or the lack of it is the cure. THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD- THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BELIEVE IT, AND IGNORE PROPER TREATMENT FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE ILLNESSES THAT WHEAT SUPPOSEDLY CAUSES. And something that you seem to constantly turn a blind eye to, in spite of what people have told you and The Great Doctor, through reviews and critiques of his book, is that if you just eliminate wheat in your diet, not other carbs, and you don't adopt a healthier lifestyle with regular exercise absolutely the square root of f**k all happens. Your recovery from a bunch of health problems, by following the Atkins diet, and eliminating something in your diet that you were allergic to, has blinded you to reality. I apologist to every one here for the yelling and the language. My wife and I have been living with her MS for 32 very hard years, and my diabetes for 13 years, and to have some pompous a$$ and his followers, assert that wheat caused it all is ludicrous, just ludicrous. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/21/12 at 19:02:33 4B404049454A4B5150240 wrote:
Gyro: If wheat causes MS, epilepsy, acne, diabetes, poor eyesight, hair loss, brain fog, autism, ringing ears, sore muscles, arthritis, gastric problems, and God knows what else, don't you think someone other than The Great Doctor would try to cash in? The money to be made curing hair loss alone would make someone a billionaire. And no amount of self delusional ignoramus' will ever convince me, or anyone in the medical profession that wheat is the cause of MS, or the lack of it is the cure. THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD- THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BELIEVE IT, AND IGNORE PROPER TREATMENT FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE ILLNESSES THAT WHEAT SUPPOSEDLY CAUSES. And something that you seem to constantly turn a blind eye to, in spite of what people have told you and The Great Doctor, through reviews and critiques of his book, is that if you just eliminate wheat in your diet, not other carbs, and you don't adopt a healthier lifestyle with regular exercise absolutely the square root of f**k all happens. Your recovery from a bunch of health problems, by following the Atkins diet, and eliminating something in your diet that you were allergic to, has blinded you to reality. I apologist to every one here for the yelling and the language. My wife and I have been living with her MS for 32 very hard years, and my diabetes for 13 years, and to have some pompous a$$ and his followers, assert that wheat caused it all is ludicrous, just ludicrous.[/quote] Ease up. You are making baseless accusations. Again. I never said you could cure MS by stopping wheat. I never said wheat causes MS. The Doc never said wheat causes MS. In fact he expressed surprise at the several reports of MS folks getting better. All I said was there were people who said their MS got better when they quit wheat,... AND, they didn't ignore their Doctors, they just did whatever they were doing according to their Doc's guidance, plus they stopped eating wheat. For a few of them, their MS got better. This is a bad thing? I find it strange you would call Doctor Davis a pompous ass. All he did was find ways to help his cardio patients. While he was doing that, his cardio patients who were also diabetic often reported to him, to his surprise initially, they weren't diabetic anymore. Why is THAT such a bad thing? Here's another thing you are right and wrong about: "if you just eliminate wheat in your diet, not other carbs, and you don't adopt a healthier lifestyle with regular exercise absolutely the square root of f**k all happens. " You have been misinformed about a few issues. The Doc explains that getting rid of wheat will create a lot of benefits, but that making sure you keep yourself free of all grains and sugar and high carb food is quite necessary. You are in error if you think he says all you have to do is not eat wheat. He never said being wheatfree would cause hair to grow back. Again, all I am doing is reporting what several folks have said. When they made those comments, he said he hadn't heard of that happening to any of his patients. All he did was theorize that if it really was happening, it might be due to the better health of the skin overall (which is common when you get off of wheat) where the follicles reside. I do have trouble understanding why you think there is something evil about this. Why use terms like "self-delusional ignoramus" ?? -- This Doc has saved thousands of lives! It seems rather tacky to call him names. --- His attitude alone is worthy of a lot of admiration and respect,... --- Most cardio Docs these days rely on two basic techniques: Bypass operations and drugs. He started off this way. After a while the stupidity of it all got his attention, so he decided he would find out how to keep the problems from happening rather than that just slice or prescribe pills. He PREVENTS cardio problems. Most in his field treat the symptoms. Doesn't sound very self-delusional to me, and I doubt that it would to those thousands who are alive and healthy today because of his change of attitude from focusing on symptoms to focusing on preventing the problem in the first place. --- He has taken a lot of heat from the AMA, the ADA, and his peers over bucking the system like he does. --- There are a lot of MD's with attitudes like yours,... they hate the fact that he is so successful with his "self-delusional" techniques that prevent heart attacks rather that treating them. -- All I see are positives. The worst thing I have seen from someone trying out the wheat/grain free thing is that it didn't do very much,... all they got was some weight loss, without that long list of benefits that happened to me and to most of the other folks that do this the right way. Also, why accuse me of being blind to reality when all the things I have told you about that happened to me are real? I was an Atkins person since 2003. It worked pretty well,.. I lost some weight and the blood yeast problem I had endured for many years was cured. Then last October, I made one simple change,.. in addition to staying low-carb (like the Doc says to do) I stopped with the wheat and realized all kinds of additional benefits. To me this proves it all. Low-carb is good, low-carb without any wheat or grains is even better. Way better. I haven't heard of anyone ignoring proper treatment for an illness just because they stop abusing wheat. The way it keeps getting reported over and over and over again is that the individual's Doc notes the improvements and takes that individual off their meds. How can that be a bad thing? And, one more time,... telling me (or anyone else savoring a lot of improvement) that this doesn't work is just silly. It isn't evil, it isn't wrong, it isn't fake,... it works well, and no amount of grousing about how it doesn't work will have any effect other than to make the grouser look even sillier. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 05/22/12 at 09:25:24 My brother has had MS for 25 years. He's 55 now. 10 years ago he was in a wheelchair unable to walk or stand and his hands didn't function to even clean himself. He went every route imaginable and never got better. After my prodding he became a vegetarian and slowly started to stand. After giving up dairy he started to walk with a walker. He is transitioning to wheat and grain free and is walking (slowly) without assistance. He posted his accomplishments on youtube. jarod walking avi is before wheat free jarod walking 2012 is after shunning the grains. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by MichPhil on 05/22/12 at 09:45:37 Wow an amazing story. Ive also have become wheat free. Only 1 month but I feel so much better. No heartburn no IBS no cranky moods and best of all pain free. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/24/12 at 04:28:31 On the internet this morning it says if you have arthritis,Eating whole wheat bread is good for you. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 05/24/12 at 07:39:14 72797C7C2627100 wrote:
Do you have the link to that article Bill? I'd like to read it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/24/12 at 09:00:58 It was on AOL, Netscape I use------7 foods that can stop inflammation. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/24/12 at 21:52:30 You can find a zillion articles like that all over the internet,.. espousing the same old garbage about healthy whole grains. They sort of find it convenient to ignore the fact that "healthy whole grains" cause blood sugar spikes and create advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) that make arthritis worse. This phenomenon is not something just for a few. Just about anyone with arthritis will have lessened inflammation and pain once they get off of wheat. For most folks the effect starts within days, as it did for me. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 05/25/12 at 03:46:02 After spending the better part of a quarter of an hour cleaning the quote from the unnecessary details... 536D667B767B76140 wrote:
Gyro: If wheat causes MS, epilepsy, acne, diabetes, poor eyesight, hair loss, brain fog, autism, ringing ears, sore muscles, arthritis, gastric problems, and God knows what else, don't you think someone other than The Great Doctor would try to cash in? The money to be made curing hair loss alone would make someone a billionaire. [...] THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD- THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BELIEVE IT, AND IGNORE PROPER TREATMENT FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE ILLNESSES THAT WHEAT SUPPOSEDLY CAUSES. I apologise to every one here for the yelling and the language. My wife and I have been living with her MS for 32 very hard years, and my diabetes for 13 years, and to have some pompous a$$ and his followers, assert that wheat caused it all is ludicrous, just ludicrous.[/quote] Ease up. You are making baseless accusations. Again. I never said you could cure MS by stopping wheat. I never said wheat causes MS. I find it strange you would call Doctor Davis a pompous ass. [...] He never said being wheatfree would cause hair to grow back. [...] I do have trouble understanding why you think there is something evil about this. Why use terms like "self-delusional ignoramus" ?? [/quote] May I politely disagree with you, Gyrobob. May I quote from a former USAF Lieutenant: May 5: Maybe you would have me tell the lady, whose kid had MS, she should have her kid start eating Shredded Mini-Wheats again. They probably still have the wheelchair he hasn't been using in the past few months So you DID say (or implied) that Multiple Sclerosis can be cured by dropping wheat. Were we in kindergarten, how would you call someone who denies evidence ? ;) 17 April, on discussing your DIY blood sugar metering "The accuracy of the number itself is not all that important. -- In the "lab experiments" I did on myself, the important part was the magnitude of the blood sugar spike from the two slices of whole wheat bread compared to the magnitude of the blood sugar spike of the snickers bar. -- Even if the numbers from my cheapo meter were off 20% in absolute terms, the comparison of the BSS from the wheat bread compared to the snickers bar would still be valid. The BSS from the bread was greater than the BSS from the snickers bar. " This is wrong: if the meter is off by 20%, it means that any and all readings can be off by as much as +/-20% which means two comparative readings can be off by as much as 40% to each other. No doctor would ever base his results on such a meter. No pilot would ever fly a plane with such shabby instrumentation. My argumentations ? - Dropping wheat makes you drop the dressings, which are often the repository of chemical garbage; - Dropping wheat will make you eat less bulk (flatter stomach); - Dropping wheat will make you look for oveall alternatives; - Multiple Sclerosis is a degenerative disease of the nervous system, which is an inflammatory disease of the brain cells. It is thought to have both genetic and environmental causes, the latter being reduced exposure to the sun (and abnormally low levels of Vitamin D) and abnormal exposure to some industrial solvents. At this point, may I observe there is a distinct possibility that US-produced wheat is more "aggressive" than Mediterranean-produced wheat, which is known to be less refined ? Two scientists with a little more accreditation that Dr.Davis are Weston Price and Sir Robert McCarrison. You can find an interesting comparison between the thesis of Dr.Davis and the findings of the two scientists here: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/wheat-belly-toll-of-hubris-on-... "The most physically perfect people in northern India," Price wrote, "are probably the Pathans who live on dairy products largely in the form of soured curd, together with wheat and vegetables. The people are very tall and are free of tooth decay" (ref. 1, p. 291). " Those Pathan Indians grow their own wheat and grind it by hand... ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/25/12 at 05:45:19 You are still trying to convince me it doesn't work. You are still of the mindset of that USAF eye doctor who said my eyes did not go from 20/140 to 20/30. Some folks are so paralyzed by paradigms, they simply don't see what is right before them. That Doc "knew" you couldn't use any kind of therapy to make distant vision better. You guys "know" getting wheat out of your body won't make your body better. Speaking of paradigms, my paradigm last year about all this had a lot in common with yours. -- My initial involvement with this was to disprove it as just another "diet" like cabbage soup or subway or tapeworm, etc. -- What got my attention was his statement that two slices of whole wheat bread would raise your blood sugar more than a Snickers bar. What a wacky thing to say. Turns out everything he says about this is true. He didn't dream all this up either,... his recommendations are based on what he has seen work with thousands of his cardio patients. He admits to, in effect, killing people in the early part of his career (like tens of thousands of other heart docs do today), because he did what he was taught in school,.. slice 'em up and give 'em drugs to control the atherosclerosis. Anyway, I can relate to your disbelief. That's where I was last September. Then I started investigating, and my paradigms were pulverized. Maybe someday you can get past your misunderstandings. I just I would have gotten past my misunderstandings half-a-century sooner,... it's a shame I didn't find out about this until I was 64. It perplexes me why you keep coming up with "evidence" about how getting off of wheat/grains/sugar is not good. Maybe this is how you expect me to react,..... "Oh shucks, and here all along I thought that when I got off of wheat, my headaches went away, my skin got better, my weight went down, my arthritis disappeared, my insomnia went away, my blood pressure went down, my HDL/LDL/triglyceride numbers got better, and I have a lot more energy. Coulda fooled me! I guess, since you guys know that wheat is so healthy, I might as well start back in with the bagels and pasta. I just hope I can keep feeling this good, though, after I become a wheater again." Don't hold your breath. Just being free of the pounder headaches is enough to keep me three car lengths from any particle of wheat or grains forever. Go tell the lady whose kid with MS is walking again that she should start feeding him donuts and oatmeal. She'd slap you silly. Your red, stinging face, though, does not prove wheat causes MS. This example says only that when this one MS kid stopped eating wheat, his mobility increased. No one said it cured MS, and no one said wheat causes MS. It might,.. but this one situation doesn't prove it. Nonetheless, I would think that lady is immensely grateful she found out about the nasty effects wheat can have on neurological problems. I'm immensely grateful as well. Last summer I felt 75,.. and was just accepting the "fact" I was getting older and feeling worse and worse was just part of it. Now I feel 45. You are trying to prove I don't feel better, or at least that wheat had nothing to do with. Give it up. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by arteacher on 05/26/12 at 12:39:17 7479637A7362776472160 wrote:
It's the protean in the eggs that are in the pasta. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/27/12 at 06:22:07 656E6E676B64657F7E0A0 wrote:
It's the protean in the eggs that are in the pasta.[/quote] These statements are true, but keep in mind everything is relative. Just because it causes a slower rise in blood sugar, it is only a little slower. It is still a blood sugar spike, and, therefore, unhealthy. Two reasons for the unhealth. Blood sugar problems and the gliadin, etc, in the wheat that create AGEs, etc. Thinking of einkorn being better than modern wheat is correct in the same way thinking that filtered cigarettes are better than plain. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 05/27/12 at 07:16:04 I'm amazed at the population of the world today with all those people popping wheat. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 05/27/12 at 10:26:00 404B4E4E1415220 wrote:
And hundreds of millions of them are smokers |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 05/28/12 at 06:09:00 5B656E737E737E1C0 wrote:
And hundreds of millions of them are smokers[/quote] And with all the teenagers having premarital sex, and none of them go blind anymore... ;) The issue on "two slices of bread Vs. one Snickers bar" Let us go and verify the list of ingredients (I will not list them here, Snickers isn't even sold in Italy) Then let us compare the list of ingredients: where are the hydrogenated fats ? Where are the vegetable oils ? Where is the corn glucose syrup in the bread ? Those ingredients will make the Snickers bar much slower to digest (not to mention the peanuts...) so after 60 minutes the bread will have caused a spike, but said spike will also be ready to calm down... ...I wouldn't be surprised if the Snickers bar caused its own spike to be three-fold, but also three hours later... As the ingredients are so much different, the reaction of the body will be different. BUT... Discussing all this is like discussing the virtues of beef Vs. pork meat with a Jew, who will simply refuse to eat pork "because 4000 years ago Moses said so". OK, so 4000 years ago common sense said "you will not eat the meat of scavenger animals", but in the day of antibiotics and controlled industrial farming... I once asked Gyrobob if he had a DIY meter to check his cholesterol levels after eating a steak (or any other kind of meat) with the same ease as checking his blood sugars. I never got a reply, but I KNOW there is no such DIY contraption here in Europe, to say the least because there is no industrial requirement; but when the public will cry out for one such contraption, I'm sure someone will think hard and come up with one. Else, it's just a one-off experience, a one-dimensional measuring system. Now, there was something else I wanted to say, but I just had an all-beef lunch and my mind's kinda fogged up... ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 05/28/12 at 08:15:22 The wheat bread vs Snickers bar is just to show the blood sugar spikes unleashed by each. Use a Butterfingers or a lollipop,.. the outcome will be the same. I suppose changing brands of bread might make a diff of a percent or two, but the outcome will be the same. The point is that wheat/grain products give you blood sugar spikes. Very unhealthy. Done repeatedly, you might as well take a tenderizing hammer to your pancreas, and sign up for your local Diabetes Anonymous support group. What happens when you live your life with daily blood sugar spikes?,.....Pancreas/endocrine system damage: -- Repeated gushing of insulin, cumulative irreparable damage over time. Leads to diabetes. -- Leptin response abuse (satiety signal): gliadins create cravings and, therefore, addictions, leading to inability to diet, and the urge to overeat. -- Intestinal damage: Grains slowly wear away intestinal cilia, cumulative and (for some) irreparable damage over time that leads to leaky guts. -- Internal inflammation: Wheat/sugar cause varying degrees of inflammation throughout the body, leading to heart disease, arthritis, cancer, etc. -- Aging: blood sugar spikes accelerate the formation of advanced glycation end products (AGEs) that create irreversible damage in every body part, ranging from joints to lenses to skin to arteries; and leads to cancers. --- AGEs lead to aging, making you feel old and wearing out sooner. --- The insidiousness here: the damage is cumulative, but the effects build so gradually they aren't often noticed until things start to fall apart. --- Most folks (like me) just assumed feeling gradually worse and worse was just part of aging. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 05/30/12 at 11:12:18 Yeah, I used to eat those bars while riding. Now, I'm not hungry, nor do I crave them. No more feeling "wide" when I ride! ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/25/12 at 08:25:10 What is the status on the few of you who gave wheat/grain free living a try? My updated status is at http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Wheatfreeresults02a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 06/25/12 at 09:46:02 Well since you asked, I guess I'll rejoin the thread. Hopefully non-cheerleading comments are welcome. I have stuck with low-to-no wheat for some time now. It's still pretty much a positive thing. I don't get dramatic changes in symptoms such as headaches just by ingesting a small amount of wheat like you do. I would classify those type of reactions as wheat allergy; thankfully I don't have one. But speaking of headaches, I do notice fewer of those slept-too-long headaches, you know the really sharp ones in the morning. This is probably because I boing awake early now. In fact, I have started taking melatonin because without it I won't get a full night's sleep. Even with the early wakeups, the overall change in energy level is positive and I like it. My weight has leveled out and I am not losing any more. I still drink plenty of heavy beer and have a little roll from that. I am sure I'd have a sizeable beergut by now if I wasn't eating low-carb to compensate for it. I still also drink tons of coffee, but have enjoyed less heartburn lately. So perhaps the low carb/wheat thing has helped with that. Joints (particularly knees) are less sore/poppy. Some of that is due to losing weight I'm sure. Sometimes I will just eat some wheat and see what happens. Then I may have a symptom and not know the exact cause, because of the difficulty of isolating variables in a "balanced" diet. For example, if I go have a conventional lunch, I'll think Hmm.. was that heartburn from the hamburger bun, the pile of tater tots I ate with it, or those in combination with all that coffee this morning? Good research requires good isolation of variables. That is why I am annoyed with Davis for trying to pin the addictive nature of grease and sugar on wheat. Sometimes when I re-wheat I actually feel better, and not in a druggy-addictive sort of way, where I'd "crash" later. More as if there was a vitamin or something in there that was missing and I finally got it. And since I don't have dramatic bad other symptoms, the occasional wheating is good. So, apparently I don't need to be a teetotaler to get a few of the benefits of the WB diet, nor do I get them all by completely eliminating wheat. I still think WB piggybacks heavily on Atkins (which is low-wheat anyway) and plain old common sense along the lines of "don't eat a bunch of sugar, exercise moderately and you'll be fine." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 06/25/12 at 11:20:41 "Yeah, same for me. Everything in moderation. Sometimes when I smoke I have a reaction, other times no reaction. Alcohol, same thing. Seems to me if you want to feel 100% wonderful you'd have to give up all wheat and sugar...but I guess we'll never feel that way since we're not willing to give 100%." Only Gyrobob knows how it feels. I watched my brother walk after sitting in a wheelchair for four years because he gave up wheat due to my urging. Wheat free/sugar free=100% wonderful feeling. It's not allergies to wheat any more than it's allergies to sugar during a "sugar rush". You'll get what you give. A 6 month trial, giving 100%, 100% of the time will give you the truth. Or just go with, "Everyone's body reacts differently...it's a good thing I don't have wheat allergies because I like my burgers with a bun." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 06/25/12 at 11:34:31 667364657978777A75776473160 wrote:
What is the Official WheatBelly RecommendedTM trial period? Now I've heard 1 month, 3 months and 6 months. It's almost a religious sort of thing where if it doesn't work for you, it must be your fault for not believing hard enough or living it fully enough. Also. Diabetics are not "cured" just because they adjusted their diet to a low carb, low sugar one where the rate of insulin the pancreas is required to pump out has been reduced to something it can handle. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 06/25/12 at 11:42:31 Your point is made...There is a G-d, there is no G-d, there is some "energy", there might be some "energy". Go where you're most comfortable and it's working for you. After all, you've only yourself to blame for how everything works out. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/25/12 at 15:04:12 Ask a diabetic what his life is like once he has adopted a healthy way of living that caused all his symptoms to go away, his meds to stop, his bleeding fingers to seal up, .... he is likely to say he is cured. After all, if you have no symptoms unless you start eating stupidly, you can consider yourself cured. His life situation is the same as the guy next to him who never had a bout with diabetes. Neither of them have to take meds, or stick their fingers, or lose their toes. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 06/25/12 at 16:09:06 Fair enough. Though I would not say they are cured as in "as good a condition as not having the disease" I guess following a diet isn't too much of a crutch. Plus, we're better off long-term. By not working the endocrine system to death day in, day out, come Thanksgiving it's well rested and up to the task of eating pie, with the crust. Strange how with foods and drugs, there is no benefit to exercising your body chemistry as you would your muscles. Chemical yankarounds seem to have the opposite effect, they make the body weaker.. I wonder why. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by bill67 on 06/25/12 at 16:58:13 I tell you if I don't have my Wheaties with wheat germ on it for breakfast I might as well stay in bed,I'm no good for the rest of the day. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/25/12 at 20:04:37 494247471D1C2B0 wrote:
for the rest of the day? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 06/25/12 at 23:28:22 That's one h3ll of a Casanova !!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/26/12 at 06:43:27 Eureka!! I have discovered the cause of bill's irrationality. Many folks on the WB FB page have reported over the past few months of this malady. There are some studies even backing up the idea. No,... it's not called bill's disease or klutz syndrome or anything like that. It's Brain fog. Yes, brain fog. There must have been 20 or 30 folks over the past several months that described how they think a lot more clearly within days of getting off of wheat. This is even a higher number than those reporting disappearance of arthritic joint pain, and diabetes symptoms. I know this improvement happened for me as well. It is hard to quantify, but I'm going to have to add it to my list of benefits. Poor bill. Wheat has fogged up his mind so much, he can't think clearly enough to understand what is happening to him. (i wonder if there is any cause and effect situation for bill with klutz oil and brain fog and wheat) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by splash07 on 06/26/12 at 08:00:46 OK, so I did read about the first 3-4 pages of this thread before skipping to the end here. So it may have already been covered but I will ask anyway. I am young (27) and very active, I ride a bicycle around 50-75 miles per week, work outdoors for the Department of Natural Resources, play on a club soccer team, and play on a club ultimate frisbee team. I burn around 1k-2K calories per day in activity alone not including my resting metabolic rate. It is hard for me sometimes to get healthy calories, I find that bread and grains can be the only way for me to get the energy I need to sustain my activity. I am interested in the wheat belly phenom because even I have ailments. I have arthritis in my lower back from an injury and years of farm work when I was younger, I have a bad left knee from soccer which aches and pops a lot, I get sinus congestion from allergies especially in the fall, and I am wondering if the wheat belly diet is for me? Is it OK for someone as active as I am to eat carbs and are there alternatives i should consider? Sorry if this has been asked, if so please just refer me back to the appropriate post. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/26/12 at 09:23:38 31322E23312A7275420 wrote:
Great questions, Splash. This is something you should try, for lots of reasons. 1. There is no downside. If for some reason it does you no good, no harm, no foul. If it makes any changes for you, they can be only positive changes. 2. This is a low-carb effort as much as it is wheat-free grain-free. -- If you are a big-time carb incinerator, you'll need more carbs than the rest of us plain folk, but that is easy to do with healthy carbs, rather than poison carbs like wheat. -- Lots of veggies, fruits, wheat-free baked goods, etc., can give you lots and lots of carbs that you'll burn off and yet not be subjected to all the nasty stuff in wheat. -- Dr Davis, the preventive cardiologist that started all this, is a marathoner, so he knows these things. His wife is a runner too, so they are well up on the concepts of sufficient amounts of wheat-free grain-free carbs for athletes. 3. The bread and grains you have been eating for "energy" are hurting you in all kinds of ways. I won't be surprised if you are surprised with how much better you feel once you stop. You'll have to realign the way you get your carbs, but if your bod reacts the same way most other bods do, you'll be getting a lot more energy for what you stuff in than before. 4. I'm 65. For the past decade or two my joints were getting stiffer gradually,... sometimes to the point of being outright painful. I thought it was just part of growing old. -- The biggy was the neck,.. it was getting to be unsafe for me to ride motorcycles and fly gyrocopters because I couldn't twist my neck to check for traffic. I was gloomy,.. thinking I might have to give up these cherished activities. -- Then, Wheat belly happened. ALL my joints (fingers, hips, ankles, knees, and especially the neck) got all smooth and loose. This happened within the first few weeks!!! -- You'll know why after you read the book. There are a few debilitating substances in wheat that keep the joint surfaces inflamed. No wheat,.. no inflammation. Well, less inflammation, anyway. For me, my joints, including my neck, feel as good as they did 20 years ago. -- This is why I am hopeful for you concerning your back and knee problems. Wheatlessness certainly won't repair any permanent damage, but it WILL reduce the irritation from inflammation. --- I'm building a couple of RYCA bikes. As you might expect, this involves a lot of kneeling and squatting beside the bikes. A year ago my knees and lower back were in agony. I'd have to stand up verrrrrrry slowly each time, and my knees sounded like a popcorn machine. Now I can hop up and down like a kid,.. no pain, no popping. --- My boss (a good buddy as well) at Delta had permanent shoulder damage from athletics in school many years ago. Several operations over the years. Couldn't lift his right arm above his ears. Constant pain even when still. Bothered his sleep a lot. Then,... Wheat Belly. It took a while (several weeks) but now he has NO pain when still. Everytime he sees me now, the first thing he does is to lift his arm over his head with a gleeful smirk on his face! His shoulder (seriously and permanently damaged) is still pretty much useless for anything requiring much force, but the pain is gone. He has a reasonable range of motion now. He says it is a lot easier to put on a t-shirt now. 5. On the allergies thing,.. mine have just plain gone. -- Last year, before I would go out to mow the lawn I would take an allegra, do the work, then come in and try to recover. If I didn't take the allegra, I'd be sick for a day at least. Now,... no allegra, no allergies to pollen, dust, flying grass, any of that. -- No more seasonal allergies either. -- On a related note, for the past few decades, I would get sick every few months pretty reliably. Cold, flue, sinus infection, etc. Knock on wood, but I have not had a sniffle since October of last year. This is the first winter EVER, I have not gotten sick. -- On another related note, ... I have always had a metal-on-skin allergy. Since I was a teenager I could never wear rings, metal watchbands, etc. Now,.. for the first time in 44 years, I am wearing a wedding band. A few months ago, I bought my first ever watch with a metal watchband. 6. This Wheat Belly thing is more than a diet. A diet is more of a fad thing that aims at losing weight for a while. To me this seems more like an awakening to the idea that for many decades we have all been hornswoggled into believing that grains are healthy. WRONG!!!!!! Once you understand this, the changes you experience transcend that of just doing cabbage soup, or south beach, or weight watchers, etc. Once you get wheat/grains/sugar out of your life the health improvements are,.... well,.... astounding for most folks. 7. Some of the changes happen within a few days. My headaches (something I endured for decades) disappeared forever on the third day. Other changes, like joints, might take weeks. Others, like atherosclerosis, blood pressure, and diabetes might take months. A few folks with nervous system maladies (MS, FM, etc.) relate after a year or so, things were noticeably better. These nervous system improvements, by the way, don't happen to every person,.. maybe 20%. 8. Most of the benefits don't ever come about if wheat/grains/sugar is just reduced. Having no wheat except for a bagel a few times a week is like having wheaties and bagels every day.... Unfortunately, a little goes a LONG way,.. so if a person wants to get the full effect, he should just blow off all wheat, all grains, all sugars. Cold turkey. Just do it. 9. Sorry for the novel!! Jeeeezzz. I got carried away again. I guess you can tell I am pretty well convinced of how well this works because it works so well for me. Here's a file I have been keeping on all the things that have happened to me. There are so many different things happening, I had to keep them organized in one place. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Wheatfreeresults02a.jpg 10. Read the book. Check out the Wheat Belly FB page. Ask me any questions anytime. Good luck!! I sincerely hope you try this out. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by splash07 on 06/26/12 at 10:50:35 well gyro it sounds like you have all but been cured of aging itself. I can see why you would be convinced with all that this change has helped you. I am going to give it a try. I know it will be difficult to give up many of the things I really enjoy eating, especially foods fired in cornmeal and flour batters. I live in the south and fried chicken is something i eat every week. A few things that I buy every time I go to the store: Whole wheat tortillas, whole wheat bread, whole wheat flour (I bake a lot, not any more I guess) tortilla chips, peanut butter, and pasta noodles. What should I be getting instead? In other words, where should I be getting my carbs? Do you have suggestions for quick and easy replacements for sandwich bread and tortillas, I eat a lot of both. Usually I eat toast with jam for breakfast or a banana, then a sandwich or burrito for lunch, and pasta for dinner. Am I screwed? ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 06/26/12 at 11:40:10 Hi Splash..Yes, WB is for, I believe, anyone who wants to feel and perform better. I exercise, eat in moderation and generally feel good. After my husband and I went down on the bike I swore we would never ride again. 5 years later and feeling the "itch to ride" I thought, who am I fooling. I'm older now. Parts aren't bending and working as well as they used to. Then Wheat belly came out. We read it, we follow it, we ride with reckless abandon. Your diet looks very much like how I used to eat. Yes, I believed in staying away from fats, keep the calories low and only eating whole grains was the right way. If I didn't feel SO much better eating this way I would continue down that path. After all, I was feeling fine; or so I thought. You're never to old to learn a new trick. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/26/12 at 18:26:45 50534F42504B1314230 wrote:
No,.. you're not screwed. Glad to hear you will give it a shot. Your timing is good. More later. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/26/12 at 18:31:58 This just in. The Wheat Belly FB page has another ecstatic participant. I bring this up because of our recent discussions here about diabetics being "cured" or not. It's from a lady, who, with her hubby, started no-wheat/no-grains/no-sugar/no high-carb back in March. "Not only has he lost 44 pounds to date since starting Wheat Belly, his Dr. said Dave is his first patient in his professional medical career he ever officially undiagnosed, and declared him NO LONGER DIABETIC! Said it is rare for a doctor to get to do that. He had never heard of Wheat Belly and kept grilling Dave all about it. Doc said he will be exploring it further for other patients and told Dave to keep on doing what he's doing!!! All Rx meds removed from his chart to inactive. My husband is no longer diabetic!!!! WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!" |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/27/12 at 13:51:19 Splash stated well gyro it sounds like you have all but been cured of aging itself. I can see why you would be convinced with all that this change has helped you. I am going to give it a try. I know it will be difficult to give up many of the things I really enjoy eating, especially foods fired in cornmeal and flour batters. I live in the south and fried chicken is something i eat every week. A few things that I buy every time I go to the store: Whole wheat tortillas, whole wheat bread, whole wheat flour (I bake a lot, not any more I guess) tortilla chips, peanut butter, and pasta noodles. What should I be getting instead? In other words, where should I be getting my carbs? Do you have suggestions for quick and easy replacements for sandwich bread and tortillas, I eat a lot of both. Usually I eat toast with jam for breakfast or a banana, then a sandwich or burrito for lunch, and pasta for dinner. Am I screwed? "I am going to give it a try." Absolutely fantastic! I envy you. You have so much to look forward too,.. IF,.... you really do what is required,.. and it sounds like you will. Often folks will "mostly" cut back on wheat and carbs. That results in modest improvements, at best. You really do have to get all the nasty stuff in the wheat OUT OUT OUT of your system. "I know it will be difficult to give up many of the things I really enjoy eating, especially foods fired in cornmeal and flour batters. I live in the south and fried chicken is something i eat every week." I live in the south, too, and my Mom was an Oklahoma farm girl, so believe me, I can relate!! Yes, there will be some difficulty in not having a lot of fried foods, especially when most of it is fried in some sort of wheat or corn-based batter. It comes easy, though, after a while to use other kinds of breading with no wheat. Also, even places like KFC now have grilled chicken which (at the KFC here in Newnan) is pretty good. "Whole wheat tortillas, whole wheat bread, whole wheat flour (I bake a lot, not any more I guess) tortilla chips, peanut butter, and pasta noodles." Yes, this will be a transition for you because these grain-based things are quite unhealthy. The Wheat Belly enthusiasm has been growing like crazy, though, so there are lots and lots of wheat/grain free alternatives for these things. You will be doing more baking than before because some of what you used to buy, you'll be making for yourself in healthy versions. For example, maybe half the wheat-based recipes out there for muffins, cookies, pancakes, etc., can be adjusted to use almond flour and coconut flour, etc. A few weeks ago I made my Daughter a birthday cake that looked and tasted a lot like a boston cream pie. Check out the Wheat Belly Facebook page, the Wheat Belly Recipe Central page, and the recipe section of the wheatbellyblog.com on the left side low. Another option is to use some of the tens of thousands of Paleo recipes out there. The one danger with them, though, is to make sure you don't use the ones that are high-carb -- those folks think using sweeteners like Agave Nectar is okay. that stuff is 90% fructose,... diabetes here we come!!! Most folks shoot for something like 50 carb grams a day or less. I suspect, though, with your amount of activity, you might need more. I would get those additional carbs from fruits, and a few below-ground veggies. And grain-free baked goods. A cup of raisins has 110 carb grams!!!!!! Avoid anything sugary or grainy at all costs. "Whole wheat tortillas, whole wheat bread, whole wheat flour (I bake a lot, not any more I guess) tortilla chips, peanut butter, and pasta noodles." There are some recipes out there for wraps that can serve as tortilla-ish things. Lots of bread recipes are out there. I have a few myself. You won't be using any whole wheat flour, but you can generally substitute almond flour and coconut flour. Pasta is tough. Right now about the only grain-free "pasta" is shirataki noodles. Do a yahoo search for the Miracle Noodles company. There are efforts underway for some grain-free pasta. I would suspect it'll be available by the end of the year. Keep us posted on how things are going. You might want to participate in the Wheat Belly FB page as well. There are so many folks getting into this, though, the place is pretty busy. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 06/27/12 at 15:00:18 Dude, be careful with coconut flour. That stuff will consume moisture nearly as well as the best silica desiccants. It's crazy trying to bake anything with it, though it makes a nice replacement for cornmeal for frying fish or jalapenos. Note: I haven't done loads of research into baking methods and workarounds employed with coconut flour. I've just done a fair amount of experimenting. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/27/12 at 17:55:19 182A3D2A2C2E141924294B0 wrote:
You speak the word of truth about coconut flour. One guy spilled a can in Lake Lanier and all that was left the next day was a puddle a few feet wide. If you are going to try to convert recipes from wheat flour to grain-free flour, a starting point (with no guarantees) is to use a 5:1 mix of almond flour to coconut flour. The recipes out there that call for coconut flour have hopefully worked it out so the consistency (fluidity) is correct. I have one for pancakes that uses only coconut flour. My Granddots like it a lot. Yes, it works well as a breading. Mix up some coconut flour and spices, roll the object in a mix of HWC and eggs, then coat with the spicy coconut flour. Yummy for fish and fried chicken. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by splash07 on 06/27/12 at 20:46:51 First of all, thanks for all the great advice and suggestions. I am still finishing off the last of the groceries in the house and after they are all gone I am planning on going and stocking up on all the necessary supplies. Second, "You speak the word of truth about coconut flour. One guy spilled a can in Lake Lanier and all that was left the next day was a puddle a few feet wide." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Third, HWC?? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 06/27/12 at 21:26:30 I will be very curious to see what changes you get out of the WB diet, splash. I followed it fully for one month and had "moderate" results, then backed off to "mostly" compliant.. it's still good. The 80/20 rule might apply here, but don't use it at first. If you follow it completely for the first month and note the changes, you stand the maximum chance for improvements and serve as the best GuineaPig to bolster (or demolish) Gyrobob's claims. :D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 06/28/12 at 02:44:24 Coconut flour, like banana flour, is not flour, any more than ground chalk is. It is the meat of a dried fruit ground very fine. But them there is fish flour as well... So you can see that the word "flour" is actually misused. "Flour" is the word one should use to indicate ground grains, and nothing but, because that's how 99% of the world population use the word. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 05:32:09 7A67726474766378657E170 wrote:
True. The term flour is rather loosely used. It does have a negative feel to it, since wheat flour is what normally comes to mind. Some of the nut flours are actually marketed as "meal" rather than flour. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 05:34:36 HWC = heavy whipping cream. Much lower carb count than milk,... around 6 grams per cup. Most of the grainfree lowcarb types use something other than milk for milk. I use a 16:1 mix of unsweetened unflavored almond milk to HWC. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 05:46:18 737E647D7465706375110 wrote:
80/20 won't help a lot. 100/0 will do you a lot of good. If you eat any wheat at all, you will still be getting SOME of the nasty stuff like gliadin, amylopectinA, glutenin, lectins, etc. It is not a linear ratio. IOW, if you cut wheat consumption in half, you'll not get halfway better, it'll make almost no diff. It's kind of like smoking. If you smoke 4 packs a day, cutting back to 2 packs a day will do you little good, if you are trying to avoid cancer. I don't like the term "claims." I'm not claiming anything. I didn't make this stuff up. This isn't my idea. I'm not selling anything. These benefits I see for myself and for thousands of other folks on the FB page alone, show evidence, not claims. Also, the various improvements resulting from wheat/grain/sugar/highcarb freeness, take widely varying amounts of time. Some of the folks say things like IBS, chronic heartburn, joint pain, etc., go away within days. The weight loss thing varies widely as well. Kids with behavioral problems can change overnight. Maladies related to neurological situations improve very slowly and can take years. One guy with MS, for example, was so stricken he couldn't clean or feed himself. After 14 or 15 months, I think, he can actually get out of his wheelchair a walk around,,,, slowly,... but still quite an improvement. As for all the wheaty grainy crap you have now,... just give it away and start anew. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 06/28/12 at 06:39:20 Of course. I'm teasing you about the "claims." As you've pointed out many, many times on this thread, it makes no sense to deny someone the improvements they have in their own body. I believe you got a dramatic change out of WB and wish I had also. Perhaps one day I'll stick with it fully for 6 months as myrnasilvia suggests, then if victory is STILL around the corner at that point, screw it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 06/28/12 at 12:39:56 Boule'tard....even an old dog can learn new trick. You're implementing most WB ideas. Get the book maybe to understand just the "why?" or if not, to follow the how.....A woman passenger is always the best way to go to make the 6 month ride enjoyable. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 14:08:59 637661607C7D727F70726176130 wrote:
I think he did read the book. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 14:10:42 202D372E2736233026420 wrote:
Sorry. I should have known you were teasing. You are that kind of guy, eh?,.... and you even put a laughing smiley beside your comment. Maybe I get too defensive sometimes. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Boule’tard on 06/28/12 at 15:55:07 415443425E5F505D52504354310 wrote:
Thanks, I have read the book and keep a copy around for reference (which I need, because I can be a bit dense and forgetful). If I try it again I will do a better job. For example, the first time around, I eliminated all wheat and minimized other starches, but didn't eliminate some processed corn-based junk such as tortilla chips. My wife is actually a great help, though she prefers the recipes out of the Paleo Book. She'll often cook up a tasty treat that is both WB and Paleo compliant. Forget MS patients and diabetics and the terminally ill suddenly leaping tall buildings in a single bound... the most impressive thing I hope to see is a 65yo man contort himself into a cafe' riding position and actually USE the bike on a regular basis. That will be truly inspiring. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 06/28/12 at 17:51:07 7E73697079687D6E781C0 wrote:
Thanks, I have read the book and keep a copy around for reference (which I need, because I can be a bit dense and forgetful). If I try it again I will do a better job. For example, the first time around, I eliminated all wheat and minimized other starches, but didn't eliminate some processed corn-based junk such as tortilla chips. My wife is actually a great help, though she prefers the recipes out of the Paleo Book. She'll often cook up a tasty treat that is both WB and Paleo compliant. Forget MS patients and diabetics and the terminally ill suddenly leaping tall buildings in a single bound... the most impressive thing I hope to see is a 65yo man contort himself into a cafe' riding position and actually USE the bike on a regular basis. That will be truly inspiring. [/quote] Be ready for inspiration in a few weeks. ;) :) ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 06/29/12 at 03:42:38 Whoop Whoop!!! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/01/12 at 11:44:19 627760617D7C737E71736077120 wrote:
So... your brother had multiple sclerosis, was helpless as a newborn infant... ...became vegetarian, and slowly started to stand... vegetarian means NO MEAT and no animal proteins. ...after giving up dairy he started usin a walker; as dairy includes milk&cheese, and since vegetarians generally omit dairy in your diet... ...do I smell fish here ? ...he then transitioned to wheat and grain free (which is more or less the staple for vegetarians) and is now walking slowly. Does this mean he sustains himself on spinach and potatoes alone, or does he live on fruit and nuts ? Your own words - No meat because he's a vegetarian, no dairy, no wheat and other grains... greeneries potatoes and fruit is all he's got left, unless you expect him to eat seaweed... :P Myrna Silva, I challenge you, you are what in internet terms is called a TROLL, on this Forum you have 5 (five) posts, ALL in this thread and nothing at all connected to motoring or riding... I challenge you ! Who are you ? Sweetwater in CA? Campus Coach in NY? Personal care in FL? "Other" in "elsewhere"? :-? The assumed "Paleo-dietician" from FL who wants people to believe Paleo man ate coconut cupcakes with whipped cream? ::) Sorry, girl, I'm good-natured but not naive... ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 07/01/12 at 12:00:52 I don't think myrnasilva is a troll. I think maybe Gyrobob asked her to come in as a sort of WB shill, to share her experience and bump the thread now and again.. no big deal. I commend the brother on his progress. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42_9HHKorxk[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 07/01/12 at 13:45:49 Thanks, Boule'tard. Nope, not a troll. And yes, Gyrobob and I both share the love of WB and riding. I don't post anywhere else because I just hold on for the ride. I do look at everyone's comments about their bikes just so I know the good, the bad and the never be seen on. And my brother was not born with MS...and I don't wish that upon anyone. Just good health and safe riding. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/01/12 at 16:00:58 I will admit to asking a lot of folks that are Wheat Belly success stories if they ride. I don't see that as immoral or unethical. If someone has an interest in motorcycles, and makes the effort to register here (not all that easy sometimes), AND, has some opinions about Wheat Belly to add to our Wheat Belly thread, all well and good. Sometimes here I feel like a cry in the night. If it weren't for a few like Boule'tard that at least gave it a shot and offered up some responses that were at least unbiased, I'd feel like the Lone Ranger. My motivation here has always been about getting Savage owners this info. It works so friggin' well!!!! Everyone I know that has done the Wheat Belly thing as explained in the book, has had some really impressive benefits in their lives. I want all the folks here to know about how well this works and to give it an earnest shot,... not just sorta do it,... do it for real. I'm what a lot of you would refer to as an old guy. Last summer I truly felt like an old guy. Achy, weary, headaches, groan groan groan. All I thought I had to look forward to was all of that just getting slowly worse and worse as I got older and older. This Wheat Belly thing changed all that. I feel like I have rewound the clock about 30 years. I want all of you guys and gals to feel that good too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by tizzyfit on 07/09/12 at 00:50:19 5668637E737E73110 wrote:
Another interesting bit of,... uh,... wisdom,... from Bill Tell me something, William, do you ever discuss anything on a factual basis, or are your comments, as demonstrated so far, limited to baseless assertions? I'll bet you were lots of fun as a kid,..... "uh-huh!,.. nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,...uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... uh-huh!!,... nuh-uh!!,... ............................ oh,... yeah,... I see it now,........... Sorry,... :-[ I guess you haven't changed all that much, eh? [/quote] After reading several pages of this thread, Bill67's comments demonstrate exactly what the "67" stands for............His I.Q. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/10/12 at 01:46:59 776275746869666B64667562070 wrote:
I have done my research. Of all the Myrna Silvas around, there is one who has a penchant for riding, but it's horses, not bikes. No big deal. Rather, I have come to ponder over interesting facts, which I already knew and took for granted... but which also have a scientific backing. It is called "environment". When one is born, the way one is weaned and educated to a certain diet will regulate his/her metabolism for the rest of their life. That is why the stereotypical Italian is seen to be short and plump... with a diet based on fish, wine, pasta, bread, cheese, yet feature low cholesterol and relatively low blood pressure. And when they go to England / Denmark / Scandinavia on holiday, they eat "wheat free" and gain weight like they were ill... On the other hand, the typical Northern European (Germanic, Anglosaxon, Scandinavian) will be tall and thin, thrive on meat, different fish, beer (not wine) potatoes but little wheat... Healthy, yet with cholesterol and blood pressure levels which would send a Mediterraneal to hospital. And when they go to Italy / Spain / Greece for the holidays, they will "eat healthy" and gain weight like they were ill... Why is this ? It is because one's system is balanced to a specific diet, and will live quite happily along those childhood guidelines. So if a baby is weaned from milk to beans and potatoes, or bread and pasta, is entirely a matter of environment. It's too cold to cultivate anything but potatoes north of some latitudes, and wheat is a culture as old as the Bible itself (see Cain and Abel). So, Gyrobob, if you are happy on a hyper-protein diet, then be happy ! Your blood sugar level examples lead to believe you may have an issue with your insulin. But your Cardiologist from Wisconsin should know - and I insist - it's "horses for courses", and what is healthy to some may not be as healthy to others. And... while you have that insulin checked... ask how a wheat free diet can ensure you all the Vitamin B complex without resorting to synthetic integrators... :P |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 07/10/12 at 04:28:00 Right you are,MPESCOTORI! Anyone can deduce that from their surroundings. Why is it that some can smoke and drink and live to be 100? What you're saying is, people are "hot wired" to be healthy solely based on genes. I wish I could deduce that. I grew up in an obese home. Like those children of alcoholics, you have two choices: become like them, or do a 180. I question everything and use myself as a guinea pig. What doesn't work, I toss. I am by profession a massage therapist, but my instinctive nature is to help people. If I extend my hand to help you up off the floor, you can choose the help or get up on your own. Whatever works at the time is what's right for you. On a sad note....Hubby has the bike up for sale....I'm just glad he doesn't trade in wives like he does motorcycles. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/10/12 at 14:53:32 574A5F49595B4E5548533A0 wrote:
I have done my research. Of all the Myrna Silvas around, there is one who has a penchant for riding, but it's horses, not bikes. No big deal. Rather, I have come to ponder over interesting facts, which I already knew and took for granted... but which also have a scientific backing. It is called "environment". When one is born, the way one is weaned and educated to a certain diet will regulate his/her metabolism for the rest of their life. That is why the stereotypical Italian is seen to be short and plump... with a diet based on fish, wine, pasta, bread, cheese, yet feature low cholesterol and relatively low blood pressure. And when they go to England / Denmark / Scandinavia on holiday, they eat "wheat free" and gain weight like they were ill... On the other hand, the typical Northern European (Germanic, Anglosaxon, Scandinavian) will be tall and thin, thrive on meat, different fish, beer (not wine) potatoes but little wheat... Healthy, yet with cholesterol and blood pressure levels which would send a Mediterraneal to hospital. And when they go to Italy / Spain / Greece for the holidays, they will "eat healthy" and gain weight like they were ill... Why is this ? It is because one's system is balanced to a specific diet, and will live quite happily along those childhood guidelines. So if a baby is weaned from milk to beans and potatoes, or bread and pasta, is entirely a matter of environment. It's too cold to cultivate anything but potatoes north of some latitudes, and wheat is a culture as old as the Bible itself (see Cain and Abel). So, Gyrobob, if you are happy on a hyper-protein diet, then be happy ! Your blood sugar level examples lead to believe you may have an issue with your insulin. But your Cardiologist from Wisconsin should know - and I insist - it's "horses for courses", and what is healthy to some may not be as healthy to others. And... while you have that insulin checked... ask how a wheat free diet can ensure you all the Vitamin B complex without resorting to synthetic integrators... :P[/quote] "what is healthy to some may not be as healthy to others." My current wife gives me this kind of crap all the time, along with some other idiocies: "moderation in all things" "you should do whatever works for you." She has no clue about what she is doing to herself with her highcarb lowcholesterol lowfat diet. She is raking her entire system over the coals daily. She has arthritis and won't admit it. She refuses to accept the idea that I had arthritis 10 months ago and now it is GONE. She had a friend that told her smoking was no problem for some people,... that it was actually healthy in some cases. More of the "whatever works for you" bullcrap. True, I know some smokers who appear to be healthy, but anyone who says smoking is anything but harmful is a numbskull. Same thing with wheat. Yes, some folks can tolerate it better than others, but EVERYONE is healthier without it. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by tizzyfit on 07/10/12 at 18:33:20 142A213C313C31530 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 07/11/12 at 08:53:13 526C677A777A77150 wrote:
I understand what you're trying to say but it's not strictly true. As it stands currently, a large percentage of the planet's population relies on wheat rations just to stay alive. Without it, they would be dead from starvation/malnutrition and that probably wouldn't be considered "healthier". If the earth's population were significantly smaller or when there's a viable alternative to wheat produced on the same mass scale, the statement may be true. So far as individuals whop have the means to choose the makeup of their respective diets, it's possible you may be correct though the extent to which health is improved will vary greatly between individuals. Studies have also shown that severely calorie-restricted diets statistically improve longevity. However, this could also easily be perceived as significantly reducing the quality of life. Each person must make their own choice. When considering any major lifestyle alteration, for many the cost may be greater than the perceived gain. Again, I understand your intent but let's not kid ourselves. The planetary population cannot currently be sustained without modern wheat. In all honesty, unless some catastrophic event reduces the planetary population in a big way, it's far more likely that advances in genetic modification of the grains will yield healthier food for humanity than simply ceasing to eat it. Just my opinion... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/11/12 at 19:38:54 5E6C7B6C6A68525F626F0D0 wrote:
I understand what you're trying to say but it's not strictly true. As it stands currently, a large percentage of the planet's population relies on wheat rations just to stay alive. Without it, they would be dead from starvation/malnutrition and that probably wouldn't be considered "healthier". If the earth's population were significantly smaller or when there's a viable alternative to wheat produced on the same mass scale, the statement may be true. So far as individuals whop have the means to choose the makeup of their respective diets, it's possible you may be correct though the extent to which health is improved will vary greatly between individuals. Studies have also shown that severely calorie-restricted diets statistically improve longevity. However, this could also easily be perceived as significantly reducing the quality of life. Each person must make their own choice. When considering any major lifestyle alteration, for many the cost may be greater than the perceived gain. Again, I understand your intent but let's not kid ourselves. The planetary population cannot currently be sustained without modern wheat. In all honesty, unless some catastrophic event reduces the planetary population in a big way, it's far more likely that advances in genetic modification of the grains will yield healthier food for humanity than simply ceasing to eat it. Just my opinion...[/quote] Okay, you got me there. For some wretched groups of folks, if they had no wheat-based food, they'd have no food at all. I'd like to rephrase that one. Instead of "Yes, some folks can tolerate it better than others, but EVERYONE is healthier without it," I should have said, "Yes, some folks can tolerate it better than others, but EVERYONE that has access to healthier alternatives like meat or fish or fowl or veggies or fruit, etc., is healthier without wheat or any other grains." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/12/12 at 01:37:56 322730312D2C232E21233027420 wrote:
No, Ma'am, I said it depends on the environment; get two twins, wean and raise one in China and the other in Greece and they will grow up with two different metabolisms, even if their DNA is (in theory) identical. Quote:
Hold it !!! One thing is to be "plump", one thing is to be obese. Putting aside endocrinal issues which cause you to bloat even when fasting... when one is obese the reasons come from the wrong eating habits, regardless of wheat. Quote:
If you are a massage therapist, you've studied anatomy, which means you should KNOW there are ways and ways of gripping one's hand, or wrist, or forearm, in order to evenly spread the load of the body on such small articulations. Most mommies raise their kids by grasping the hand, which often pulls the tendons and ligaments of the wrist. The correct procedure is to grip the rear of the wrist, in the "wristband" area, in a guise which many know and many have learned. There are ways and ways to feed and eat. Leave cardiology to the cardiologists, and eating discipline to dietologists (not dieticians..). Just as chemisrty is a science, eating is a science, because you convert "food" into "energy" by the way of a chemical transformation - aka "digestion". Please explain how you are going to naturally assimilate all your Vitamin B complex on a carb-free diet, or how you are going to compensate your overworked kidneys with an overdose of nitrogen-based acids (excess of transaminasis). You can't fool around with your body. "I feel good" doesn't mean a thing. Smoking weed makes me feel just as well as a pint of beer, but which is healthier ? On the other hand, if you are 100% certain you are right, go ahead and continue. Get up on your soapbox and evangelize the crowds. Just don't crucify the skeptics and glorify yourself. The Forum members here are nobody's Good Man Friday and nobody's called Robinson Crusoe, there's a whole world out there that's been thriving on rice and veggies and precious little meat, and look at the civilizations they've brought up... I am talking about the Japanese, the Chinese and the Hindustani Indians... On the other hand, meat-rich peoples were the Zulus, the Australian Aborigene, the Maori, Tutsi, and the American Indians... all Neolithic societies when " So go ahead and enjoy your meat-only diet. Socrates and Aristotle enjoyed wheat and made history. As did Julius Caesar, Leonardo, Christopher Columbus and Marco Polo... Napoleon... Gandhi... |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/12/12 at 08:07:33 Quote:
Just think how much longer they would have lived, and how more more they would have contributed had they not been wheaters. It has become a source of entertainment now,.... how you try to convince me that the massive and definite improvement great numbers of people this very day are realizing from escaping the harm done to them by wheat, is not happening because there are lots of wheaters that are still alive. Your position is still the same: other people did well when they ate wheat, therefore you will do better if you eat wheat. There is no logic there. -- When you have no proof, saying someone is healthy because he ate wheat is as valid as saying someone could have been more healthy if he didn't eat wheat. -- I know several smokers who appear to be really healthy. They are not healthy because they smoke,... they appear healthy in spite of smoking. -- We'll never know how much better Columbus would have done had he not eaten wheat. -- We DO know today, though, that people do better when they don't eat wheat,... just like everyone does better when they stop smoking. Forgive me, but I am confused by your comment about enjoying a meat-only diet. I am having some difficulty, though, understanding why your paradigm problem is so deeply entrenched. My speculation is that you grew up in an environment that emphasized how healthy wheat-eating was, so, at least for now, you just can't get outside those powerful paradigms. I had the same paradigms. I was a high-carber until 2003, and a wheater until 2011. Several decades of firm, but flawed, beliefs. Somehow I was able to get outside the learnings of my life, and progress on to more accurate information. Not being a stupid fellow, I can only think you will eventually find out how this all really works and can dispense with the USDA/FDA/mega-agri-lobby propaganda about "healthy whole grains." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Savage_Rob on 07/12/12 at 09:19:43 Just some thoughts/musings... Unless I've somehow grossly misunderstood this, mpescatori lives in Italy. I am honestly pretty ignorant as to their regulatory bodies as well as what information (or propaganda, if it should be the case) the public receives there. I don't know how much their products might be made from varieties of ancestral wheat instead of modern wheat. I don't know how much of their produce (i.e. fruits, vegetables, etc.) is locally derived vs nationally or internationally. From what I see and read, I would presume that they get more locally grown produce than we do. They might also still bargain/haggle at markets to, which is something they've moved away from in this country in order to facilitate price-fixing. I saw this in many other countries when I was in the Navy though I never went to Europe. My point is that I don't want to make the mistake of assuming that things work the same there as they do here. On another subject, I think the Japanese, Chinese and Hindustani cultures developed with very little use of wheat until very recently. I believe rice, soybeans and lentils would be more of the staples there. So far as Japan goes, fish has always been a staple and I've heard it joked that in China anything with four legs is not safe when it comes to dinner. So far as Hindustani culture, I a bit more ignorant but I believe dairy and lentils play a large role in traditional diets. Hopefully I'm not "stirring the pot" here. My intent was more just "thinking out loud" as well as hoping mpescatori might dispel a portion of my cultural ignorance. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/12/12 at 12:22:03 Yes, Savage_Rob, things are different in different countries, and things have changed over time as well. No matter how well a people seems to do as wheaters, they do better if they abstain from wheat/grains, and eat fish/fowl/meat/veggies/fruit/nuts/etc. The fact that many millions still eat wheat does not prove that it is good, it just shows that human beings can survive well even when having to deal with problems like eating wheat/grain. These points, while interesting, do not affect the main issue. No matter how many times someone points out that Robert E. Lee was a famous general and he ate wheat all the time, it doesn't prove that wheat made him famous. Two separate issues. No matter how many times I point out that when I stopped with the wheat, all kinds of pretty good things happened pretty quickly, it doesn't seem to alter the thinking of those that are trying to convince me it doesn't work. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Savage_Rob on 07/12/12 at 13:27:04 Part of my point is that in the US, people tend to have diets replete with highly processed grain products, often GMO varieties, further complicated by the overuse of corn syrup or sugar. Here, the "low-fat" mantra has been preached since the at least early 80s and most low-fat processed stuff is high in processed carbs. I was saying that I don't know that the same mantra has been preached everywhere else or if, even if they still eat grains, folks in other countries may be eating different varieties and in forms that far less processed (like real brown rice without the hulls buffed off) in smaller quantities, along with healthier fats. I'm just wondering if the pendulum hasn't swung farther to the high-carb extreme here in the US than in many other places. That said, I would expect negative effects of high carb consumption to be more evident here. Accordingly, the differences noted by someone switching to a carb-restricted diet (as well as wheat-free or grain-free) would be greater too. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 07/13/12 at 03:09:42 49777C616C616C0E0 wrote:
Gyrobob, you really dissappointed me here... :P Julius Caesar was assassinated... Leonardo died at 67, a VERY old age for his times... Christopher Columbus was jailed by the Spanish Crown and died in chains... Marco Polo died in his own bed, of illness after spending years in prison, when Venice lost a war against Genoa for the dominion of the Mediterranean trade routes... Napoleon died in exile in St.Helena at 52, poisoned by the British... Gandhi was assassinated at 79, and was a rigorous vegetarian... so lots of wheat there... So the only one who died of old age, Leonardo at 67 in 1519, was VERY old! By comparison, the average age in 1519 in England was below 40... :P Quote:
Again, you dissappoint me. I am NOT trying to convince you that wheat is good... I am simply saying that carbohydrates through wheat, barley, oats or rice are a natural part of the Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Neanderthal was strictly a carnivore, and he soccumbed to Homo Sapiens who had developed farming. The American Indians were essentially carnivores, yet they ALL showed a level of civilization which varied from Neolithic to barely Mesopotamian. The Indians and Chinese did have wheat; see na'an bread, Chinese wheat noodles or wonton (Chinese ravioli) . I apologize for quoting Japan when I should have said Korea. Quote:
You insist on blaming the FDA for imposing a diet, I do not recall ever mentioning the FDA in my posts, I couldn't care less for an Agency which has ZERO jurisdiction (and credibility) outside the USA. I say "credibility" because very many medicines sold in the US are BANNED in Europe because they do not meet the safety and health standards of the EU... such as too much mercury in pediatric vaccinations, for example (see: bird flu scare) Anyway... just google "carbohydrate receptors on tongue" or ask a dietologist or a doctor specialized in sports and nutrition, and you will leanr that the tongue is equipped with special receptors which are there to alert the system that you are eating carbohydrates - regardless of their taste or flavor - and that a certain "digestion - energy storage and release" cycle will go into effect. I am saying this because last week I was visiting family in Belgium (what wonderful beers !) and while killing time saw a documentary on nutrition. Well, the test they ran was this: three teams were tested, doing heavy labor, with regular "drinking" intervals: - one team would drink water, - one team would drink water with sugar added; - one team could only rinse their mouth (but not swallow) with water added with a flavorless carbohydrate. Team Three fared better than Team One. The system had sensed carbohydrates were "coming" even though they were spit out, and released a higher amount of energy to the muscles compared to the team which could only drink pure water. So, my dear friend, go on with your crusade against wheat. You are being "Symptomatic": I feel well, hence I am healthy. You should see a dietologist and verify the scientific evidence behind Dr.Davis' statements; I have researched what I could, talked to local dietologists, civilian and military doctors, and asked in Belgium, UK and France, and always got the same answer: "You may alter the percentage of the three fundamental components (Protein, Fats and Carbohydrates) but you CANNOT eliminate one altogether - you would think you are well but you are actually starving your system". That said, analyzing another knind of situation, comparing the US to Italy in terms of population we have fewer obese, fewer deaths by heart attack and FAR fewer cases of cardiovascular desease in general. So wheat can't be to blame if YOU were feeling ill or had whatever ailments. You remind me of the guy who once claimed "I wake up feeling much more rested than once, and can sleep longer hours..." :-? ::) ::) As if... sleeping longer hours shouldn't make you feel more rested ? ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/13/12 at 03:52:15 Carbohydrate sensing in the Human Mouth " intravenous infusion of glucose, which made available large quantities of carbohydrate in the circulation, did not affect the time to complete a [ch8764]1 h cycle time trial compared with a saline placebo. However, regularly rinsing the mouth with a non-sweet maltodextrin solution, which would have had no effect on circulating glucose levels, significantly reduced the time to complete the performance trial. The apparent absence of a peripheral metabolic action of exogenous carbohydrate in these circumstances raises the possibility of a centrally mediated effect. Carter and colleagues drew two conclusions from their observations. The first was that there are taste receptors in the mouth that can influence neural pathways, ultimately leading to improved exercise performance and, second, that there are receptors in the mouth sensitive to non-sweet carbohydrate. " Now go and tell GOD or MOTHER NATURE (choose whichever suits you) they did a poor job... Read all about it here http://jp.physoc.org/content/587/8/1779.full But there's this, too " Carbohydrate Studies have shown that endurance performance is increased when athletes merely rinse their mouths with a sports drink periodically during exercise instead of swallowing it. It appears the carbs in the sports drink activate carbohydrate receptors in the tongue, which communicate with a part of the brain that regulates perceived exertion. As a result, exercise feels easier and performance increases. Rinsing your mouth with a sports drink is not a complete substitute for actually swallowing it, as drinking rehydrates in addition to supplying energy. But in situations where it’s difficult to drink a lot, such as during high-intensity running, rinsing your mouth with a sports drink may be a good complement to ingesting it. Protein A series of studies led by Michael Saunders at James Madison University has shown that a sports drink containing carbs and protein in a 4:1 ratio (Accelerade®) increases endurance more than a conventional sports drink containing carbs and no protein. These studies have also shown that the beneficial effect of consuming protein with carbs during exercise is linked to a reduction in perceived exertion. How does protein make exercise feel easier? One possibility is that ingesting protein with carbs during exercise increases amino acid levels in the blood. There is evidence that elevated blood amino acids delay brain fatigue during exercise. Another possibility is that protein reduces perceived exertion by reducing muscle damage. Carb-protein Accelerade is in fact proven to reduce muscle damage during exercise compared to carb-only sports drinks. " Which means "proteins help burning carbohydrates, but it's the latter you need to produce energy for the workout..." http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2011/04/07/fuel-brain-endurance-performance/ Last, this, which is too long to summarize. http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/suppl_1/i68.full Please note, these are all scientific journals of the kind Dr. Davis obviously never reads... ::) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/13/12 at 04:40:11 Your diatribe continues to try to convince me it doesn't work. -- In the face of mounting evidence that getting off of wheat generates many many improvements in some chronic maladies for just about everyone, you stick to your outdated paradigm of grains being healthy. -- Bringing up "evidence" of how common wheat ingestion was throughout history is meaningless. Humans have survived all kinds of unhealthy and common foods/practices throughout history. -- Bringing up "evidence" of how common wheat ingestion is today is also meaningless. Humans are surviving all kinds of unhealthy and common foods/practices today. Some people take longer to change their minds, especially when doing so invalidates some very strong beliefs they have held to for decades. That very thing happened to me. I should have made these changes years ago when I first started reading about it. I wish now I would have known about this when I was a kid. I'd certainly be a LOT healthier now! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 07/13/12 at 06:16:08 If your unheathy maybe a person should try different diets,But as long as your healthy theres isn't any good reason to change.People come from different stock some are a lot healthier than others |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by splash07 on 07/13/12 at 06:37:19 Quote:
He was also a vegetarian, border line vegan, very controversial for his time but yes, he did live to be very old by the standards of the day. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by mpescatori on 07/14/12 at 13:13:46 7C4249545954593B0 wrote:
Geez, Gyro, I'm surviving you and your aggressiveness... ...I told you a diet excessively rich in meats and nitrogen compounds will increase the level of aggressiveness AND tax your kidneys quite a lot... :P I guess you enjoy your role as the Neo-Paleo-Neanderthal of the lot... :-X Suits you, sir, suits you... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1fMf8CB7jE[/media] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/16/12 at 00:55:50 4775627573714B467B76140 wrote:
Thank you, Savage Rob, and my apologies for not replying any earlier. Yes, I do live in Italy, but having lived a full 8 years in a mix of AngloSaxon countries, and returning there regularly for work/holiday, may I say I understand the different mentalities when it comes to food. When you live in a society... in a civilization which is an easy 3000 years old, you don't need "propaganda" to decide what to eat. Sure, commercials may insist "there's nothing better than McDonald's", and you may disagree, but that isn't going to put you off eating steak&potatoes. Similarly, we have been eating pasta since Roman times, in the guise of lasagna or similar sizes. Quote:
Yes, we do. We practice what is known as the "short chain", i.e. we emphasize the importance of buying locally grown produce (or nationally grown vs. imported) not because of chauvinism, but because the "short chain" implies fewer miles driven, hence fresher produce AND less pollution due to the big trucks not hauling north to south, east to west etc... Quote:
Sorry, bargaining/haggling you only do at weekly markets, where the vendors change town day after day, and in Hollywood stereotypes, where the "MamaMia" matron haggles for hours over one turnip. :P We have shopping centers and malls and multistory superstores where you can buy your Adidas and your Zucchini and everything inbetween. Incidentally, I believe we are actually more hi-tech than you... ::) We have GSM mobiles since 1993 and ADSL is nationwide... in fact, you cannot get a plain and simple "dialup" connection anywhere, it's broadband DSL or nothing. 8-) We use only digital broadband TV, there's no "analog TV" any more, and no cable... it's broadband digital or satellite digital, period. Quote:
For starters, forget dairy in the Far East. All they conceive is milk (for babies) and yoghurt. Cheese is UNKNOWN east of the Caucasus. True, there IS cheese in SE India (had to llok it up ;)) but it is really of Persian origin. So... East of India, I am aware of no cheese. Most certainly my Korean friends were surprised there was cheese beyond "the little squares we put on cheeseburgers" 8-) As for wheat in India, go google "Na'an bread" or "chapati", two styles of bread made with wheat, not rice. China also makes use of wheat. Let us not be led into the misunderstanding that "in China they eat rice". China is a continent per se, a landmass the size of Europe, with cultivation along the Yang-Tze, Tibet and Chinese Mongolia which mirror those in Europe. RICE is the staple carbohydrate in the center/south, WHEAT is the staple carbohydrate in the north. Just Wiki "chinese cuisine" (I got the link from the main "China" Wiki page) Nobody's stirring up anything disastrous here, Savage_Rob, so not to worry :) I myself admit that my belly will swell after a few beers but this does not mean cereals are bad, nor "liquid bread" (the name used by German Monks in order to be allowed to drink beer during Lent) In closing, you can get your carbohydrates from two sources, cereals and legumes. Cereals, such as wheat, rice, oats, barley and hops will give seeds which have been milled and/or cooked in various styles, we can't say we haven't experimented, we KNOW which cereal works best prepared in whichever style. Corn, manioca and tapioca are also cereals, introduced into Europe a mere few centuries ago (if at all) with the exploitation of the Americas. Legumes we only eat boiled. To my knowledge, nobody makes "bean bread" or "lentil cakes". True, the Arabs eat falafel, which are small fried patties of crushed chick peas, but the chick pease are boiled first, and in Europe we eat them boiled, so... it's just an extension of a known recipe. Last come potatoes and yams. I'll not teach anybody how to boil a potato. ;) And breadfruit is NOT a widely used (nor known) source of carbohydrates, not anymore than banana flour for your morning pancakes... ;D Eat your food as it was intended to be eaten. You don't need to capsize the boat just to see the sea floor; just dunk your head underwater. Similarly, "Nut flour" or "coconut flour" to replace wheat flour is NOT going to make you wheat free, it is going to make you fat, because of all the excess oils you feed yourselves. Compare the average Mediterranean to the average Samoan... http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/azra0l/334354.jpg (no, I do NOT condone smoking... but she IS smoking! :D) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZtoR3rBFwpU/S8t8P3mYULI/AAAAAAAAAaE/nVgGJJxP9Tk/s1600/samoa-102.JPG |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/16/12 at 07:41:46 mpescatori, still spewing the same screed, eh? You can spew till you are blue in the face about how being wheat/grain free does no good,.. it won't change what is happening to what are probably hundreds of thousands of folks (a rapidly growing mob) that have found out how harmful wheat ingestion is. -- How will you get a guy whose allergies have disappeared to believe that he should go back to being a wheater? -- How will you get me to go back to being a wheater when I know my migraines will come back? -- How will you get the lady who tried 28 different diet schemes (yes, 28) (including the mediterranean diet) to lose weight and never was able to lose much and/or keep it off, to go back to being a wheater after she lost 120 pounds and has kept it off for several months so far? -- How will you get the guy whose dog was so stricken with arthritis he was dragging his hings legs as if paralized,.. to put his dog back on wheat now that his dog is not just on all fours, he can, for example, jump up on the couch? -- I could go on like this for another thousand words, and it would sway you much, I'll bet. Trying to convince me, or any other folks, that eating wheat is healthy won't alter that fact it is not. It is harmful. -- Every single time someone switches from being a wheater, to someone who eats basically meat/fish/fowl/veggies/fruit/cheese/nuts/low-carb, things get better. -- Sticking to this kind of single ingredient food, without any grains at all, allows a list of benefits hard to imagine before you understand this stuff. -- I dare anyone to try this for a couple of months, and not be convinced of how much nicer things are day to day. -- The only time the WB thing has not been very impressive is when the person involved only says they are doing WB, when in fact they are just, for example, cutting back on wheat and grains. "Oh yeah, I do that wheat belly thing. I'm not giving up my tortilla chips, and morning bagel for anybody, though." -- If a person has NO wheat/grains/sugars/high-carb for a couple months, the results will be startling. This is cute: "Similarly, "Nut flour" or "coconut flour" to replace wheat flour is NOT going to make you wheat free, it is going to make you fat, because of all the excess oils you feed yourselves." -- wrong again. almond flour and coconut flour have no wheat or grains. -- They will NOT make you fat, and the oils they contain are healthy and necessary to keeping your weight down. -- Flat-worlders, like my current wife, are still stricken with the false notion that eating fat makes you fat, and that eating cholesterol causes high cholesterol. -- Saying nuts make you fat because of the oils involved shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the body processes foods. Your screed is no surprise. It is consistent with what most folks who believe in the USDA and FDA "guidelines" concepts believe. Sooner or later, you'll discover how this stuff really works. I'll wait. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/16/12 at 08:06:44 Do I read "aggressive" in your reply ? "You can spew till you are blue in the face " :-? I have researched, and provided different scientific sources each and every time... and expressed my ideas and skepticism with the expectation I would have received a reply as calm and polite as my own posts. "How will you get the lady who tried 28 different diet schemes (yes, 28) (including the mediterranean diet) to lose weight and never was able to lose much and/or keep it off, to go back to being a wheater after she lost 120 pounds and has kept it off for several months so far?" So, a lady lost 120 lbs. by starving herself of one of the fundamentals, and you claim victory ? :-? After a few months only ? :P Oh, and BTW the lady was 120lbs overweight and she never saw an endocrinologist who could figure out what was wrong with her metabolism ? "How will you get the guy whose dog was so stricken with arthritis he was dragging his hings legs as if paralized,.. to put his dog back on wheat now that his dog is not just on all fours, he can, for example, jump up on the couch?" So, a man was feeding a "born-predator carnivore" wheat, and you expect the animal to be healthy ? Do I read NUTS ??? I am glad the dog can now jump back onto its own couch, for all the meat my family fed our dog, it could never afford its own couch... Last, Gyro_Bob, I'm Italian, not American. We share a Forum because we ride the same bike. I do not go by USFDA guidelines, and as I stated earlier, nobody this side of the Atlantic really cares much about USFDA-approved pink slime or other masterpieces of US culinary culture. If only you could get smells, along with pictures and video, you'd understand the difference between Italian bread and sliced styrofoam... http://www.sudelizie.com/images/prodotti/pane_casereccio.jpg http://www.southphillyblocks.org/photos_essays/grilled_cheese/001ingredients_jpg.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/16/12 at 08:46:20 "I have researched, and provided different scientific sources each and every time... and expressed my ideas and skepticism with the expectation I would have received a reply as calm and polite as my own posts." I have explained over and over again how no matter how many times you bring up "reasons" why it doesn't work, it is still futile for you to do so, because you are trying to prove the impossible. You are like that optometrist that told me my eyes did not get better because what I did to get them better doesn't work. The fact that when I was in his office six months prior and my vision was 20-200 and now was 20-30 never entered into his thinking. He "knew" what I did wouldn't work, so he simply would not believe I had improved my vision. Similarly, you "know" wheat is healthy, so you can not accept the idea that so many people improve so much after getting off of wheat. You simply don't have the capability to understand,.. at least for now. Even the Pope finally had to accept the idea that the world orbited the sun. "So, a lady lost 120 lbs. by starving herself of one of the fundamentals, and you claim victory ? After a few months only ? Oh, and BTW the lady was 120lbs overweight and she never saw an endocrinologist who could figure out what was wrong with her metabolism ?" Of course not. All she had to do was get off of wheat, and she solved her problem. She lost the weight, and for the first time in her life, she kept it off. She is but one of thousands of recent examples. Your denying it does not change the fact that people who get off of wheat lose weight and get much healthier. "I do not go by USFDA guidelines, and as I stated earlier, nobody this side of the Atlantic really cares much about USFDA-approved pink slime or other masterpieces of US culinary culture." Of course. Please note I did not say you cared about the USDA or FDA. If you read what I said more deliberately maybe you'll understand. I stated, "folks who believe in the USDA and FDA "guidelines" concepts," not folks who are ruled by the USDA or FDA. You do believe in their concepts. Those concepts are wrong. "If only you could get smells, along with pictures and video, you'd understand the difference between Italian bread and sliced styrofoam..." Ain't THAT the truth. The insidious aspect to this is that good bread tastes better than sliced styrofoam. People want to eat it more, and, therefore, they keep themselves stricken with the maladies of wheat. BTW,.. here is how the ladies in your previous post turned out,.. the one on top still smokes but she eats a lot of wheat now. The Samoan on the bottom, stopped eating wheat/grains/sugars, and looks a lot more healthy than in your earlier pic of her. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Misc/fatsmoker01.jpg http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Misc/Samoanbeauty01a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 07/16/12 at 09:12:25 Top one mrs. Gyrobob,Bottom one mrs. Bill67 ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by mpescatori on 07/16/12 at 16:19:22 33383D3D6766510 wrote:
That's a good one Bill !!! I gotta get off this thread, it's becoming a two-man feud over the brainwashing ideas of one man who's read one book and believes that is THE WORD and nothing else. Much like the Mullah Omar. Else, someone would think I get my kicks by teasing him. (Which would be fun if we could actually take a swing at each other, at least in playful terms, but this epistular tit-for-tat is becoming... ...well, a bit like Mrs.Gyro...) Incidentally... ...go and take a GOOD look at any portrait of King Henry VIII, HE was the man to ask about wheat belly, being King AND being English gave him top picks on which meats to eat ever since he was weaned. He was ... F A T !!! and suffered a severe case of gout... ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/16/12 at 18:11:04 I agree,.. when you align yourself with bill's tasteless insults, you gotta get off this thread. You and I don't agree on much, but at least I respected you as a gentleman. It has come down to two basic positions: I bring up example after example of how well it is working, why it works so well, and how to implement it,.... and you say I am wrong because everyone knows it can not work. The Pope told Columbus, "Everyone knows the earth is flat. I don't care if you sailed around to the other side and came back okay,..... everyone knows it is flat, so don't be going out there as if it were round. You are wrong, and none of your evidence makes any difference. All my Bishops tell me it is flat. The holy geographer knows it is flat. We all know it is flat. I forbid you to make another trip." I think maybe you have earned a new nickname,.. Mauricio "The Pope" Pescatori. ;) |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/25/12 at 08:08:13 Looks like Bill O'Reilly is on board. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#/v/1752265303001/factor-tip-dont-eat-wheat/?playlist_id=86923 http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/07/bill-oreilly-loses-his-wheat-belly/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Serowbot on 07/25/12 at 09:47:17 Two old farts, one 84 and one 87, were sitting on their usual park bench one morning. The 87 year old had just finished his morning jog and wasn't even short of breath. The 84 year old was amazed at his friend's stamina and asked him what he did to have so much energy. The 87 year old said, "Well, I eat rye bread every day. It keeps your energy level high and you'll have great stamina with the ladies." So, on the way home the 84 year old stops at the bakery. As he was looking around, the lady asked if he needed any help. He said "Do you have any Rye bread?" She said, "Yes, there's a whole shelf of it. Would you like some?" He said, "I want 5 loaves." She said, "My goodness, 5 loaves ... By the time you get to the 3rd loaf, it'll be hard" He replied, "I can't believe it, everybody knows about this sh!t but me." |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/25/12 at 09:49:54 I don't get it. Maybe O'Reilly would. ah,... correcting the typo made it clear. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 07/25/12 at 10:10:15 That was a funny one Serow. ;D |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 07/25/12 at 10:27:53 How do I set up this URL so it shows up here as a video, rather than just a URL? http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/07/bill-oreilly-loses-his-wheat-belly/ |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Boule’tard on 07/25/12 at 17:19:00 You need the URL of the video itself, not just the web page that contains it. A lot of websites force you to look at their whole web page (with ads and such) to get the video. If the page uses a script or something to load the video, it won't work. Once you have the video URL, it can be embedded just like a picture. Use the media button two buttons right of the picture button. It should look about like [meedia] http://some URL [/meedia] |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 07/25/12 at 18:26:13 5D504A535A4B5E4D5B3F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 07:46:10 I recently asked on the WB facebook page for comments from anyone who is/was diabetic and how getting off of wheat and grains and sugar affected their life. I am trying to convince a diabetic friend of mine to do Wheat Belly,.. I wanted "testimony" to motivate him. I got 28 responses within a few days, all of which were favorable. All of them were losing weight. All the insulin takers were off insulin. Some explained they have reduced their meds. Many stated they have no bother with diabetes at all now. -- No insulin -- No meds -- No diabetes symptoms -- No blood sugar uneveness -- No bleeding themselves a few times daily anymore |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 10/17/12 at 16:08:18 Yes, it's true. Gyro can't make this stuff up. Follow the Wheat Belly page when you're going for a "troll" and see for yourselves. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/20/12 at 16:11:22 5 minutes.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfqInXc0MCE |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/20/12 at 18:58:37 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
I thought it was fairly impressive that CBS actually aired the issue. The word is spreading at an accelerating rate. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 10/23/12 at 09:54:05 Here's an explanation (based on a Mayo Clinic study, http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2012-rst/7128.html) as to why wheaters have difficulty understanding about eating wheat/grains/sugar/high-carb: The fear of losing the ability to think, remember and reason strikes fear in the minds of millions of aging adults around the world. Cognitive impairment leads to a decline in quality of life and is often the first sign of the most insidious form of dementia, Alzheimer's disease. Researchers have been slowly uncovering many of the mysteries of cognitive decline in an attempt to find a way to prevent or even treat this condition before it takes control of the mind and can advance to wreak havoc in the life of the individual, caregivers and family members. A number of recent studies have demonstrated that lifestyle factors can have a strong influence in the development and progression of cognitive decline. Diet, chemicals used around the house and in cosmetics as well as environmental pollutants have been implicated in promoting cognitive dysfunction as they alter brain chemistry and electrical signaling in the brain. Researchers from the Mayo Clinic, publishing the result of a study in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease explain how people 70 and older who eat food high in carbohydrates have nearly four times the risk of developing mild cognitive impairment, and the danger is also present with a diet heavy in sugar. Those who consume a lot of protein and fat relative to carbohydrates are less likely to become cognitively impaired, the study found. Sugar and refined carbohydrates disrupt brain chemistry and spike risk of cognitive decline This study reinforces the evidence accumulated to date that demonstrates the importance of eliminating processed and refined sugars and carbohydrates to achieve optimal health. Lead study author, Dr. Rosebud Roberts commented "We think it's important that you eat a healthy balance of protein, carbohydrates and fat, because each of these nutrients has an important role in the body." To conduct the study, researchers accumulated data on 940 people aged 70 to 89 who provided information on what they ate during the previous year, and demonstrated no signs of cognitive impairment. After four years of follow-up evaluations, 200 participants were beginning to show mild cognitive impairment, problems with memory, language, thinking and judgment that are greater than normal age-related changes. Participants with the highest reported intake of carbohydrates were 1.9 times more likely to develop cognitive impairment as compared to those with the lowest consumption. Similarly, individuals with the highest sugar intake were 1.5 times as likely to have cognitive decline compared to the lowest consumption group. Group participants with the highest fat intake were 42 percent less likely to face cognitive impairment, and those who had the highest intake of protein had a reduced risk of 21 percent. When total fat and protein intake were factored, those with the highest carbohydrate intake were 3.6 times more likely to develop cognitive impairment. Dr. Roberts concluded "A high carbohydrate intake could be bad for you because carbohydrates impact your glucose and insulin metabolism... sugar fuels the brain -- so moderate intake is good. However, high levels of sugar may actually prevent the brain from using the sugar -- similar to what we see with type 2 diabetes." The results of this and many prior studies confirm that drastically limiting or eliminating refined carbohydrates and sugars significantly lower the risk of cognitive decline and dementia. About the author: John Phillip is a Certified Nutritional Consultant and Health Researcher and Author who writes regularly on the cutting edge use of diet, lifestyle modifications and targeted supplementation to enhance and improve the quality and length of life. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 10/23/12 at 09:56:21 To sum up: High-carb = alzheimers and dementia |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by myrnasilva on 10/23/12 at 14:14:31 Wheaters don't fail to understand..They choose to enjoy their food. It brings back warm memories. It's hard to take away emotional ties to that hot bowl of oatmeal or breakfast cereal. Sugar, cookies, doughnuts..aahh,,more warm fuzzies. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 06:05:05 Any of you ever watch Fox News? If so you may have seen Judge Napolitano. http://freetheanimal.com/2013/02/napolitano-dropping-william.html |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by bill67 on 02/22/13 at 11:31:26 No |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/14/13 at 13:44:47 If any of you have or are otherwise associated with an FJR-1300, I need some help on that forum (FJRforum.com). The folks there are even more nasty (personal) about Wheat Belly than here. At least here there were several folks who would discuss it even if they didn't agree. So,.. you're basically asking for assistance in Trolling on another forum?... Isn't there a Wheatbelly forum or some nutriton forum that might actually want to discuss this topic?... PS.. I'm posting this inside your post, so as not to bump this topic yet again -Serow |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/14/13 at 17:35:56 4B757E636E636E0C0 wrote:
I don't understand, exactly, your point. I brought up the subject in their non-FJR section as a way to get rid of a lot of problems, physically. One of the large benefits, though, is to long distance riders, of which there are a slew in the FJR community. Besides, the thread was started in their section titled "Completely off topic." (sort of like our Cafe, I guess.) Other subjects there include insulin, best concealed carry weapon, Minnesota storms, water heater burst, knife attack in Texas, etc. Wheat Belly is not at all out of line with those subjects, and it at least has some applicability to FJR ops. So, I was hoping there was someone here who also had an FJR that might want to chime in either pro or con about Wheat Belly. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 04/14/13 at 18:16:00 Why don't you get your shrill to create an account over there too? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/14/13 at 18:46:53 72617677686563616A35040 wrote:
Shrill? |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by verslagen1 on 04/14/13 at 19:02:17 102E2538353835570 wrote:
Shrill?[/quote] You know... that person you invited here to lend credence to what you're talking about. oops... shoulda been shill |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/15/13 at 07:54:39 Ive posted several times in this thread, in support of Bobs position. He didnt ask me to. Ive actually been exposed to some of these ideas by a dr years ago. That the masses have yet to grasp the realities doesnt make Bob a liar any more than the first guy who said the Earth wasnt the center of the universe was made a liar by the fact that everyone else said it was. Just because youve been raised believing something doesnt make it so. The federal reserve isnt federal & there is no reserve |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by verslagen1 on 04/15/13 at 08:34:56 I don't think I called him a liar, but if I implied so, sorry. But I don't appreciate the tactic of recruiting a sock puppet to drum up a favorable conversation on this forum or any other. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/15/13 at 09:17:12 It just seems to me that if someone is a shill or sock puppet, then, by definition , the subject that the shill or sock puppet supports is false. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 04/15/13 at 18:02:40 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
I can see how that might be the interpretation. I was just hoping there might have been someone here who both had an FJR, and had some success with the WB thing. If such a person exists, I was going to try to cajole him into helping me out in yet another situation where I am grossly outnumbered. I wouldn't call such a person a sock puppet,.. I'd call him a fellow enthusiast. Let's say someone in an aerobatic forum was badmouthing RYCA bikes, saying things like bikes are stupid, especially distorted little cruisers twisted into pseudo cafe racers. I'd go join that aerobatic forum in a heartbeat, and help the guy out just because we have similar interests. Someone here who is enjoying the benefits of being wheat/grain/sugar free, and also has an FJR, would have similar interests with me. I'd hope to enlist him into the discussion on that FJr forum, and in that situation I wouldn't think he'd be a sock puppet. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by verslagen1 on 04/15/13 at 20:22:21 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
Yes, that the general implication, but not necessarily so. wiki has it as... Quote:
In this case, he may be there just to... Quote:
Like many things presented here in the cafe... I like to be informed of, but not interested enough to converse at length with. Thanks for the info... what's next? And if that other forum thinks my cruiser, or converted cafe bike is BS, so what? eat sh!t and howl at the moon for all I care. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by old_rider on 04/15/13 at 22:10:48 wow and I thought Alzhimers and dimentia were DNA related, kinda like cancer and heart disease. Did that Mayo Clinic test with the 900 folks include family medical histories? I noticed there was no mention of it. Guess i'll have to filter thru all 65 pages of posts....its gonna be a looonnnnggg night. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 04/16/13 at 19:12:38 I'm about to retract my request for help in that FJR forum. -- It appears that while there are several folks doing a pescatori on me (it doesn't work because it just can't work), over the past two days, there have been a few more chime in with active support, testifying that while they did not do the actual Wheat Belly thing, they did stop all wheat and sugar and had some impressive improvements. -- Some have stopped using the drugs they needed for many years to control things like blood pressure and acid reflux. -- Most of them lost weight as well. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by Gyrobob on 03/22/18 at 19:45:51 Status update: I'm still grain free, sugar free, gluten-free-free, and low carb. It still works. I'm in way better health now than when I started this in 2011. The several guys at work I convinced to do this have had mixed results. -- Some couldn't hack it,... they simply could not stop eating doughnuts, etc. -- The others have had similar success to mine. The diabetics are no longer diabetic -- by that I mean they no longer need drugs or daily blood-sugar testing. The arthritics lost most of their joint pain. The guys with heart disease have all had improvements. They all lost some weight. The list goes on and on. Yay! |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly Post by ohiomoto on 03/22/18 at 21:20:58 Just started a low carb diet. This isn't my first rodeo with this sort of diet. I lost 10 lbs (down to 205) on the Atkins Diet in 1997 right before I got married. Gained 65 lbs over the next 10 years before doing the South Beach diet in 2007. I lost most of the wight, but struggled to stay under 215. I did a pretty good job (not perfect) with the diet for a few years and I floated around between 220-230. I was okay with that as I never expected to get back below 200. I'm not that motivated by looks, was riding mountain bikes at a pretty high level and just don't have the will power. Then my boys started playing travel baseball and I took a desk job at the same time. The past several years I found myself sitting at a desk for 8 hours followed by sitting at a sporting event or practice 2-3 hours a day while driving more than 40k miles a year, eating a too much fast food, and drinking too much beer. Each summer I drop a few pounds, gain it back, and then add a few extra. Over the years, I've inched my way back up to 265 lbs. These diets have worked for me in the past in terms of weight loss and better blood work. But, my feeling is that it's really hard to eat healthy when you are busy as hell and it's really easy to make excuses. I don't think this diet ever becomes easy and that it takes a dedicated person to stick with it long term. You are faced with tough decisions every day if you spend much time out of your house. I would like to say that I can control my weight by simply eating less, but that hasn't worked for me the past few years. I'm getting older. I eat less, and I like a nice glass of red wine with my dinner, but love 3-4 cold beers even more! But my boys are done with the summer ball, I've been a little more active, and I drive half as much as I used to (thanks in part to my Savage). So I'm going low carb again and I hope I can make it work long term like Bob has. |
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Title: Re: 0-60 in 2 seconds less? "Wheat Belly" Post by Gyrobob on 03/23/18 at 06:40:43 ohiomoto, the difference with this Wheat Belly thing is that it is not a diet, actually. It is more akin to what a smoker goes through when he realizes he is killing himself with an addiction, and although it'll be a huge change, he finally decides to just stop smoking. No other changes,... just stop smoking. With Wheat Belly, there are no other changes, just stop ingesting grains. (and a couple other details to follow) We all have been brought up in the grains and sugars culture. We never knew anything else. I spent the first 64 years of my life KNOWING that grains were healthy. Yeah, right. Finally, for several reasons, I overcame the addiction. I just cut grains out of my life. That is the basis of the Wheat Belly thing. No grains, no added sugars, low carb, no gluten-free crap,... eat mostly single ingredient food. I can eat anything I want as long as, like I just said, it has no grains, no added sugars, low carb, no gluten-free crap. That leaves me with only about 56,000 options for what I can eat. I can deal with that. Anyway, congrats on your new emphasis on getting healthy. |
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