Weatherby magnums always had a belt on the case, and you will note none of these modern large cartridges are belted.   Headspacing off a belt doesn't work near as accurately as headspacing off the front shoulder of the case (and using cases that are neck sized only after being fired in your own gun's chamber so they are a custom snug fit).

But then you are likely gonna need a longer stronger bolt camming action to cam the case out after firing it once again on a moderately hot round ....


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My first pistol was a cap and ball Remington Italian copy.   Still got it as a matter of fact.    It was a blast to shoot at night (threw a cone of sparking smoke filled nasty that would night blind you it was so bright and showy).   You could actually see the cylinder flash out past the barrel cylinder junction ....   your hand was plumb buried in fire for an instant there buddy.


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No, all I've actually said so far in response to direct questions is that it isn't a belted magnum and the small one is tipped with a 154 grain 7mm bullet and fits into a standard sized rifle.   Given that you should be able to figure out what the short one is and then use that to project a reasonable guess as to the bigger one.

Then again, few our age are real gun nuts any more -- although it seems to be a lot more popular among young people than you might think.   They grew up with shoot'um up video games and when they hit 14-16 they started buying airsoft replicas and then they YouTube themselves doing head shots on deer and silly stuff like that when they hit 18 and can buy a real rifle and go hunting.

Gun culture seems to be doing fine -- there are far more guns, types of guns, pistols, etc now than there ever have been.  

And it does seem to ring true the same ones also ride dirt bikes & mountain bikes when young, too.    Guess what they become ....  us

Women support pistol use quite a bit now (the great equalizer) and the largest indoor range and gun store in Raleigh NC is owned and run by a woman and has women only concealed carry classes where she teaches women how to (and when it is permitted to) pop the bastard instead of letting him rape you.

Go girls, go !!

       

I have a 300 savage that was made in the 50's, and 2 Stayer Manlicher 30-06 sniper rifles with floating barrels and dual triggers and gas powered scopes. The 300 Savage is just as good  a gun and still my favorite to shoot. Hardly kicks at all and you can drive nails at 150 yds.

Gun culture is doing ok but the hunting culture is'nt so hot. Last time i looked only 3 or 4 states even met or exceded replacement rates for new hunters.
In other words not enough young people were takeing up the sport to replace the older hunters who have left the sport through age, death ect.

In the last few years though more women have began to take up the sport, which makes up for some of the young males who don't due to video games ect. MO had about the best replacement rate but it was only 1.6. Most states were less then equal running .6 to .8 or so.

#1 sport for women was bow hunting followed by spring turkey(shotgun) then firearms deer hunting.
Each sex has advantages the other dosent have to an extent.
Males generaly do better in the more physical areas of the sport for one. Females generaly have more patiance then the males of the species.

One small note to the females looking to take up hunting or shooting. Find someone to teach you. Husbands, brothers and boyfriends make the WORST teachers. Less patiance then a stranger or instructor.
This has been proven over and over in studies.

Competetitive shooting has seen more women take up the sport in the last 10 years or so as well. Used to be primarily a male dominated sport. You used to NEVER see a women compete and if she did it was in a female only class years ago.
Now days some of them gals will SMOKE your arse if your not real carefull in competetitive shooting. Some of them are pretty good hunters as well.

I like watchin th women play pro level pool. They can Shoot some danged 9 ball..

gettin beat?

here's a couple mo savages - a .17hmr and a '06

keep waiting to burn out the factory barrel on the '06 so I can
replace it - but it still hits under a moa if I'll do my part after a 1k
rounds or so and of course the 17hmr shoots the eyeballs out of a fly
in the right hands

Speaking of bullets....
Most folks know polishing the chamber and crowning the muzzle helps accuracy.
What a lot don't know or relize is the variance in weights of even good match grade bullets.
Most will vary +/- 2 1/2 grains or more. This dosent bother most folks hunting but long range shooting it can cause problems, especialy when you work in the variances in brass, powder and primer burn rates.

Trick many of us used to do is weigh each and every bullet and try to stay within +/- 1 grain. Even buying match kings and buying all our bullets from the same lot.
Did the same on brass, powder and primers.
Different powder and primers from the same manufacturer will vary burn rates slightly with each different lot number. Buy bulk from the same lot number.
Same with primers. Different brands will vary more.
Brass wise we always bought from the same manfacturing facility by checking the headstamp markings. Wall Thickness will vary slightly from each brass facility changeing internal pressure a bit.
Federal for example used to have 3 different brass manufactureing facilities that manufactured all their brass.
Keep in mind military brass is thicker then civilian brass as well. Enough so to need to drop your powder weights by 2-3 grains anyway.
Or risk head seperation or split cases.
Tie em all together and you wont notice much at a 100 yards but 200 and beyond you will, especialy with any kind of a crosswind.

Some even used a micrometer to check seating depth on each and every bullet to the thousandth of an inch.
I usualy eyeballed em good and checked about 1 in 5 myself.
Them lil cheap fiber board nail files work real well to touch up them bullet points after seating.
One other lil trick was leave off the smokes, caffinated pop and coffee/tea for at least 15 minutes before going on the shooting line.
Nicotine from the smokes will make your nerves have tiny lil misfires, twitchs. Caffine is almost as bad.

Any of you guys/gals shooting a .204?

That was funny, ,,