Oh my!  One of them a 270??

Ok, taller one looks too tall to be 30-06.... so come on, tell me...

Doesn't help.  I was looking at the spoon, but I'm really just not good with ammo.  I've tried to understand all the different units to measure them, but there are just too many for me.  I could recognize a few of the normal sizes, but the off-the-wall stuff is just foreign to me.  Why can't there just be a simple standard, like shoe sizes or something?  Too many manufacturers, I guess.  

No, I'm currently rubbing the cat just to see if my fingers work.

(his rumble purr seems to be working OK)


Yep, gun stuff is strange.  The older stuff used to all be US/British inch based but all of the new stuff is always metric designated.   Plus, a lot of EC countries have a law that says a person cannot own a military weapon (and that includes a military designated cartridge) so the stuff from Lapua for example is always strangely designated on purpose so they can sell it all over the world.  

They will take a 338 bullet and stick it into a 416 Rigby case just to have something that nobody can lay claim to, then the military will pick up on it as being better ballistically than a 300 Winchester Magnum and then they start using it, then Lapua has to change something because the old round is now a military caliber.

Then you got them crazy wildcatters, who like to take large cases like the Remington Ultra Mag family and neck them up and down jest for the fun of it.

So, to play in the game requires a HEAVY 29" long bull barreled rifle just to get the rifle's weight up high enough so you can stand to shoot it.  

And the tactical based game has to be played at a 5,000 yard range at a minimum if you are playing at mixed range long distance tactical, where they don't show you the wind flags until your next shot pops up and you have to laser it, dope your scope and 4 wind flags and shoot it all inside 3 minutes.

I am not a competitor (Fort Bragg has lots of real military professionals that do that part of the shooting game) but I am fascinated by the development of the long range stuff since that has all happened in the last 10 years or so and I like to go to the public shoots and watch them work it all out and send it inside 3 minutes.

I would be tickled to have me a good repeatable 600 yard rifle that could pick a deer off the far edge of a central NC soybean field with complete certainty.   That used to be a fantasy to me, but is now becoming a routine commercial reality.

Give you a clue, in the Android Marketplace is the $9.99 app called SHOOTER that most of the shooters are using on their cell phones and tablets to make doping the scope a "laser it and punch it in" type calculation.  Estimating the wind angles and speeds is the biggest unknown and hardest part of it any more ....

Ok, but you still didn't tell me what the 2 guns in the picture are, dagnabit!!


Have you watched any of the History Channel show called "Top Shot"?  I told my husband he could beat any of those guys.  But I'd hate to have him gone from me long enough to try out for the show.  I like watching the show thought.  I was never interested in guns at all before meeting my current husband 8 years ago, so I'm learning slowly.  But it is all interesting to me.  And I agree the long range stuff is totally amazing!  

(I have a Windows Phone 7, and hubby has an iPhone.  Looked for Shooter app, but don't see it right away.  iPhone probably has it.)

you could at least put a doily under the coffee cup,or do you like rings on the table. I guess if you ask nicely we could all chip in and buy you a new chair for the cat,that ones a bit threadbare.
I won't mention the wet tea spoon.

Thats one HUGE Cat,

I like gns, but Im not even almost fluent in them. The few I know, I know, most guns Ive never seen. Youve got a couple of fine ones there, but I would never be able to identify them. PIglet got a lot closer than I would have.