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Oil temps and usage comparison
08/29/10 at 14:38:11
 
Last summer I became very concerned with the amount of oil I was pouring into my bike.  By the end of summer, I'm pouring in a qt. a week.  No need to change oil at these rates.  I tried Mobil1 vtwin 20w50 with no change.  Then winter appeared and the oil usage stopped.  I'd have to equate this boil off with the flash point of the oil.

So this year I'm logging my oil use and temps with some highly touted oils.

My daily commute consists of a 25 mile run on the superslab.
Just enough time on the street to warm it up before I hit full speed.
Typically 50 to 75% at 65-70 mph. The rest at 30 to 45 mph.
I keep the oil filled up to the bottom line in the oil window as I get up to the top line it tends to blow out the breather.

Data from the 1st run of Rotella Synthetic T6
Started with a fresh oil change and a new filter.

klotz MX-4 15w50 with a new filter.

The yellow bar shows the average for the data collected.
The data from the previous RotSyn run is repeated below
And the next line is RotSyn subtracted from Klotz.
Interesting thing to note is that the head temp is 9° hotter.
This could be vary condemning, if the Klotz isn't taking the heat out of the head, it can't be good for it.

Next week promises to be cooler, so we'll see the impact of cooler ambient on Klotz.
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Reply #1 - 08/29/10 at 14:58:15
 
Looks like it's better not to run Klotz.
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Reply #2 - 08/29/10 at 14:58:17
 
Actually, I am not surprised that a 15W-50 oil would run a little hotter than a 5W-40 oil. The heavier oil would cause a little more viscous drag than the thinner oil, thus more frictional loss. That's the reason car makers are calling for thinner oils, such as 5W-20 for year-round use (Honda and Ford). Those thinner oils very slighty increase fuel mileage by lowering engine friction.

Keep those measurements coming.
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Reply #3 - 08/29/10 at 15:41:49
 
ralfyguy wrote on 08/29/10 at 14:58:15:
Looks like it's better not to run Klotz.


I can't wait for Bill's response  Grin
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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #4 - 08/29/10 at 16:32:00
 
According to klotz... Flash Point: 480°F (same for all mx4's)

But according to an independant test... Flash Point: 385°F (mx4 10w40)

and after 12 hours in a raptor 700... Flash Point: 305°F (mx4 10w40, more than likely due to 3.5% fuel contamination)

And from Shell's Rotella MSDS... Flash Point: 435°F (RotSynT6)

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Reply #5 - 08/29/10 at 17:19:55
 
verslagen1 wrote on 08/29/10 at 16:32:00:
According to klotz...

Flash Point:      480°F (same for all mx4's)

But according to an independant test...

Flash Point:      385°F (10w40)

and after 12 hours in a raptor 700...

Flash Point:      305°F (more than likely due to 3.5% fuel contamination)

And from Shell's Rotella MSDS...

Flash Point:      435°F




B4 or after the 12 hr run?
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Reply #6 - 08/29/10 at 18:11:25
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/29/10 at 17:19:55:
B4 or after the 12 hr run?


Quote:
and after 12 hours in a raptor 700...

Flash Point:      305°F (more than likely due to 3.5% fuel contamination)
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Reply #7 - 08/29/10 at 19:54:55
 
Comparing identical air temps,... the Rotella seems to win hands down...

Would variations in humidity have any effect on cooling?...
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Reply #8 - 08/29/10 at 20:45:50
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/29/10 at 19:54:55:
Comparing identical air temps,... the Rotella seems to win hands down...

Would variations in humidity have any effect on cooling?...

it has a variation in my cooling, so the more humid it gets, the faster I go.
Which increases air flow to the bike.
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Reply #9 - 08/29/10 at 22:06:26
 
Ok, so I covered the temp's...
now for the usage...

RotSyn, 4 qts over 2 months and 2k miles.

Klotz, 3 qts over 1 month and 1k miles.
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Reply #10 - 08/29/10 at 23:49:02
 
Yea, but ya GOTTA use more Klotz, cuz thats the price ya pay for ZERO WEAR oil..
Pfffft
Everbody done been knowin That fer Yeeerz, mang!
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Reply #11 - 08/30/10 at 11:17:38
 

Yo !!!    Bill ....

Weeeeee..weeeeee..weeeeee..oooo !!    Weeeee..weeeeee..oooo !!

Where ya running off to, city boy?  

       little 'ol Brittany ain't gonna hurt ya none ...






Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin     Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin     Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin    


(you didn't really think I was gonna mount you like an ugly hillbilly, now did ya?    
Brittany, now that's a possibility cause she squeals right nice and she's all purty and she's smart .... and you ain't.)


Grin    Grin   Grin    Grin     Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin     Grin    Grin    Grin    Grin    



.... and now for the final cost analysis for a projected two months of oil usage jest to bring home the financial point that needs to be made ....


2 months for 2 quarts (half gallon) blue jug of RotSyn costs you $9.99 (at the current buy it at Walmart on yer next planned trip price)

2 months for 2 quarts of Klotz would cost you $25.98 plus the $10 internet shipping costs


.... so, Bill -- you only paid $25.99 plus extra dollars to date that ugly hillbilly boy and ta get yer horizons so rudely expanded.



                                           .....  ain't cha jest proud of yerself?



Me, I'll stick with Brittany.

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Reply #12 - 08/30/10 at 11:49:49
 
2k mile oil change OF
2qts to change, 2 qts to make up leakage and evaporative cooling.
same for both.
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Reply #13 - 08/30/10 at 11:59:28
 
Go back up and clarify your original useage post to just state the adder usage, ignoring the oil change amounts which is assumed to be same -- same for each type of oil.

So you didn't use more Klotz per month?   Looking at the post below it seems to be pretty much SAME-SAME on the oil consumption side of things.

Jest fix the amounts and I'll go back up and fix the math fer Bill --- he's still dating the ugly hillbilly but he's paying a wee bit less for his expanded horizons  (bet it still hurts a lot though ...)
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Reply #14 - 08/30/10 at 13:18:57
 
To clarify:
Test period, 2 months and 2k miles.
at start of test, 2qts bring level up to midway with filter change.
record make up oil.

RotSyn, 2 qts. change + 2 qts over 2 months and 2k miles (test complete)

Klotz, 2 qts. change + 1 qt over 1 month and 1k miles (test incomplete)

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