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Chopped Senior Member Offline Hurts Like hell when you shoot yourself! Posts: 499 Stafford, VA Gender:	Bypassing relays and diodes!!! 04/06/09 at 19:30:36 Ok... While looking at the Wiring Diagram from my Clymer Manual (pg 352) It seems I can bypass the the Side Stand Diode and the Side Stand Relay.. Side Stand Diode: hook blue to blue, no more diode Side Stand Relay: Cut both Orange... take Orange/Black from rectifier into Kill switch. Will this work?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28769 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #1 - 04/06/09 at 20:15:33 Those circuits are there for a reason. And I wouldn't bypass them unless you understood completely how they work.
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Reply #2 - 04/06/09 at 20:31:49

I know why they are there... and have a good understanding of how they work... I don't have a kick stand switch anymore and the Other relays are really gettin in the way! I have been riding for years on bikes without all the bells and whistles... they are the last safety relays on the bike. I just want to know if I bypass them that way if it will work! I do apreciate the concern though!

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Chopped Senior Member Offline Hurts Like hell when you shoot yourself! Posts: 499 Stafford, VA Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #3 - 04/06/09 at 20:37:52 Verslagen...sorry for the harsh reply... I think the scotch is getting the better of me!
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Reply #4 - 04/06/09 at 21:57:25

Ok chopped, you know your bike, but no one else does. someone going to look at this and not know what you've done. I certainly didn't. And your terminology is incorrect.

So, as to not make the past hour a total waste...

safety circuit pared down to the esentials.

blue neutral switch to blue/black neutral light, will give you a neutral whistle.

orange from ignition to orange/black kill switch, will run the bike.

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Reply #5 - 04/07/09 at 03:23:52

The sidestand diode is a ground sinking circuit. It helps make a complete circuit when the sidestand is down and the bike is in neutral.

It started in '87. On the '86 models, the neutral switch only ran the neutral light and the sidestand switch went directly into the starter controller/timer thingy.

Can it be bypassed Undecided

, hmmmmm....... yes, if you either find another ground source for the relay (hidden switch for security) or just remove the relay.

Since a picture is like a thousand words, here's a shot of the Factory Serv Man. (it was taken with my new cellphone, hope you can view it )

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Chopped Senior Member Offline Hurts Like hell when you shoot yourself! Posts: 499 Stafford, VA Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #6 - 04/07/09 at 06:35:07 Verslagen.... that diagram is AWESOME That is almost exactly what my wiring harness looks like, but I don't have the Side stand switch and the clutch lever switch is all! Where did you find this or did you make it?
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5820 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #7 - 04/07/09 at 06:41:20 need the starter relay unless you get a heavy duty 30amp starter switch..decomp and solenoid(timer) makes starting easier
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Chopped Senior Member Offline Hurts Like hell when you shoot yourself! Posts: 499 Stafford, VA Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #8 - 04/07/09 at 06:46:36 Oh IM KEEPIN THAT ONE!!!! Even though Its aftermarket!
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Reply #9 - 04/07/09 at 07:56:59

Chopped wrote on 04/07/09 at 06:35:07:

Verslagen.... that diagram is AWESOME That is almost exactly what my wiring harness looks like, but I don't have the Side stand switch and the clutch lever switch is all! Where did you find this or did you make it?

Screen grabbed the pdf'ed clymer pages.
pasted and matched together in paint.
deleted the circuits not currently interested in.
copy and pasted till the confusion went away.

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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #10 - 04/07/09 at 08:50:59 It's your bike and your life, but bypassing or defeating safeties is very seldom a good idea, and usually a bad one.
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Reply #11 - 04/07/09 at 09:33:59

thumperclone wrote on 04/07/09 at 06:41:20:

need the starter relay unless you get a heavy duty 30amp starter switch..decomp and solenoid(timer) makes starting easier

Starter realy is different than sidestand realy. Sidestand relay switches power to the ign circuit.

As Charon stated, it's a safey feature. That's why I used the Undecided

face. When I put on the Ed L. extensions, I extended the wire to the sidestand switch so that the safety feature was still there.

But.... I am a bad boy in that I created a relay that when the bike is in neutral, I don't need to pull in the clutch lever (only when in neutral, otherwise the lever has to be pulled). My two previous bikes worked this way from the factory. Both were Honda's.

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Reply #12 - 04/07/09 at 14:29:09

Thanks for all the input guys... and safety tips. I have ridin bikes for a long time without all these safety relays. To me its just one more thing to break when I am on the road. I think I got this figured out on how to bypass the side stand diode and relay for the bike to run. I do hope that it doesn't cause any other issues with the wiring! Lets cross our fingers!

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Chopped Senior Member Offline Hurts Like hell when you shoot yourself! Posts: 499 Stafford, VA Gender:	Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Reply #13 - 04/08/09 at 16:16:18 Ok.... Ok... I have fixed my problem! I now have absolutely no safety relays on the bike! I even got clever and have no key either! I worked a kill switch and a starter switch for everything... but someone will have to find the switch to steal the bike! I like it! Thanks for all the help guys!
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Reply #14 - 09/23/11 at 08:04:59

Please explain which wires/contacts you jumped or connected to make the sidestand relay and sidestand diode bypass work. I have a 2006 that is being converted to a Ryca kit and the sidestand switch is eliminated, so I'd like to get rid off any unneccesary parts as well.

Chopped wrote on 04/07/09 at 14:29:09:

Thanks for all the input guys... and safety tips. I have ridin bikes for a long time without all these safety relays. To me its just one more thing to break when I am on the road. I think I got this figured out on how to bypass the side stand diode and relay for the bike to run. I do hope that it doesn't cause any other issues with the wiring! Lets cross our fingers!

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