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Title: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/06/09 at 19:30:36 Ok... While looking at the Wiring Diagram from my Clymer Manual (pg 352) It seems I can bypass the the Side Stand Diode and the Side Stand Relay.. Side Stand Diode: hook blue to blue, no more diode Side Stand Relay: Cut both Orange... take Orange/Black from rectifier into Kill switch. Will this work? |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by verslagen1 on 04/06/09 at 20:15:33 Those circuits are there for a reason. And I wouldn't bypass them unless you understood completely how they work. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/06/09 at 20:31:49 I know why they are there... and have a good understanding of how they work... I don't have a kick stand switch anymore and the Other relays are really gettin in the way! I have been riding for years on bikes without all the bells and whistles... they are the last safety relays on the bike. I just want to know if I bypass them that way if it will work! I do apreciate the concern though! |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/06/09 at 20:37:52 Verslagen...sorry for the harsh reply... I think the scotch is getting the better of me! |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by verslagen1 on 04/06/09 at 21:57:25 Ok chopped, you know your bike, but no one else does. someone going to look at this and not know what you've done. I certainly didn't. And your terminology is incorrect. So, as to not make the past hour a total waste... http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Circuits/safetycircuit.jpg safety circuit pared down to the esentials. blue neutral switch to blue/black neutral light, will give you a neutral whistle. orange from ignition to orange/black kill switch, will run the bike. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by T Mack 1 on 04/07/09 at 03:23:52 The sidestand diode is a ground sinking circuit. It helps make a complete circuit when the sidestand is down and the bike is in neutral. It started in '87. On the '86 models, the neutral switch only ran the neutral light and the sidestand switch went directly into the starter controller/timer thingy. Can it be bypassed :-/, hmmmmm....... yes, if you either find another ground source for the relay (hidden switch for security) or just remove the relay. Since a picture is like a thousand words, here's a shot of the Factory Serv Man. (it was taken with my new cellphone, hope you can view it ) http://www.users.fast.net/~tommack/Sidestand-circuit.jpg |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/07/09 at 06:35:07 Verslagen.... that diagram is AWESOME That is almost exactly what my wiring harness looks like, but I don't have the Side stand switch and the clutch lever switch is all! Where did you find this or did you make it? |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by thumperclone on 04/07/09 at 06:41:20 need the starter relay unless you get a heavy duty 30amp starter switch..decomp and solenoid(timer) makes starting easier |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/07/09 at 06:46:36 Oh IM KEEPIN THAT ONE!!!! Even though Its aftermarket! |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by verslagen1 on 04/07/09 at 07:56:59 16213838002126243D3A540 wrote:
Screen grabbed the pdf'ed clymer pages. pasted and matched together in paint. deleted the circuits not currently interested in. copy and pasted till the confusion went away. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Charon on 04/07/09 at 08:50:59 It's your bike and your life, but bypassing or defeating safeties is very seldom a good idea, and usually a bad one. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by T Mack 1 on 04/07/09 at 09:33:59 263A273F223720313E3D3C37520 wrote:
Starter realy is different than sidestand realy. Sidestand relay switches power to the ign circuit. As Charon stated, it's a safey feature. That's why I used the :-/ face. When I put on the Ed L. extensions, I extended the wire to the sidestand switch so that the safety feature was still there. But.... I am a bad boy in that I created a relay that when the bike is in neutral, I don't need to pull in the clutch lever (only when in neutral, otherwise the lever has to be pulled). My two previous bikes worked this way from the factory. Both were Honda's. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/07/09 at 14:29:09 Thanks for all the input guys... and safety tips. I have ridin bikes for a long time without all these safety relays. To me its just one more thing to break when I am on the road. I think I got this figured out on how to bypass the side stand diode and relay for the bike to run. I do hope that it doesn't cause any other issues with the wiring! Lets cross our fingers! |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Chopped on 04/08/09 at 16:16:18 Ok.... Ok... I have fixed my problem! I now have absolutely no safety relays on the bike! I even got clever and have no key either! I worked a kill switch and a starter switch for everything... but someone will have to find the switch to steal the bike! I like it! Thanks for all the help guys! |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by wombat on 09/23/11 at 08:04:59 Please explain which wires/contacts you jumped or connected to make the sidestand relay and sidestand diode bypass work. I have a 2006 that is being converted to a Ryca kit and the sidestand switch is eliminated, so I'd like to get rid off any unneccesary parts as well. 73445D5D65444341585F310 wrote:
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by dasch on 09/23/11 at 11:30:42 Chopped ;) |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by wombat on 09/23/11 at 14:11:59 What does "Chopped" mean? 5A5F4D5D563E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by verslagen1 on 09/23/11 at 16:43:56 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Gyrobob on 09/23/11 at 18:11:21 342C2E212237430 wrote:
[/quote] me too |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Boule’tard on 09/23/11 at 19:09:00 From the diagrams it looks like the relay and diode are necessary to give you the either/or condition, that is, the starter switch is hot either if the bike is in neutral or the sidestand is down, but it does not require both. If you want to disable only the sidestand switch, just ground the green wire and the bike will think the sidestand is always up. If you want NEITHER the sidestand OR neutral protections, you can eliminate both the relay and diode by connecting the neutral switch blue wire (as shown in the diagram, no idea what the real colors are) to the blue/black wire that goes to the neutral indicator light. Then connect the orange wire from the ignition switch straight to the orange/black wire to the stop switch. Cut it somewhere past the branch to the neutral light so the light will still work. The green wire can then be eliminated along with the diode and relay. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Serowbot on 09/23/11 at 19:30:30 Thanks Boule' ,... I'm gonna' save this page, for next time I'm foolin'round in the wiring... I think my diode was dead anyway, because my bike wouldn't even start in neutral with the kickstand down... |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by dasch on 09/25/11 at 11:30:16 7860626D6E7B0F0 wrote:
[/quote] Well... it simply means I congratulate the thinking of a forum member whose nickname happens to be "Chopped"! Wombat ;) |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Isaac on 07/31/16 at 15:52:34 Side stand relay may be needed for powering secondary circuit(thin gray wire and thin brown wire)such as front brake light, instrument light, tail light, and license plate light. It may even have something with ignition circuit. Because, when ig. switch is off, orange wire and green wires are connected with 95 ohm resistance, and orange and orange/blk wire disconnected. But if you turn on ig switch(connect orange and orange/black wires in ig. switch which is part of ig. switch on,) then that 95 ohm become infinite and orange and orange/black wires in side stand relay get connected I noticed. So I won't remove side stand relay so easily. Besides, I sometimes notice that the wiring diagram is less than reliable which means that it's less than accurate in terms of wiring color and connections. So I would not have 100% total faith on the wiring diagram. |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/01/16 at 05:44:49 This is a Zombie thread, and I usually would reply, but... Isaac, what the heck is a "front brake light"? |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by batman on 08/01/16 at 18:39:45 gary the one not under your foot (the front brake light switch) |
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Title: Re: Bypassing relays and diodes!!! Post by Isaac on 08/04/16 at 16:35:53 If you check front brake switch, it's usually connected(very little resistance), but since main circuit is not connected light's not turned on. But if you turn ig. switch on, those 2 wires gets disconnected and your front brake lever activates brake light. The side stand relay seem to play important role; this relay is doing those switching business including ignition circuit. |
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