Ok so I visit my Suzuki Stealer.... seeing if he has a new like take off muffler for a savage (of course) and he and I dig around in the back room.... no find one.... but we tried.... He then says heck Phil I can get you a Jardine for like $100.... why not do that? So I say "well... I had thought of that sort of thing but I really did not want to get into it that involved". He says "well a new stock is going to be so much more expensive than that and everyone I got running these just absolutely loves em. Several of them made no real jetting changes and still run fine. The Mechanic chimes in and agrees. Says he had one and it really woke it up. And he claims not too loud either. So the Stealer says " and if need be I can get you an adjustable jetting kit really cheap too". So we are now talking about that. So Lets again hear what people thing about Jardine. He seems to want to recommend it over the Supertrapp. He feels its better as it takes on the stock mounts and heat guard and looks more stock (but skinny and longer) and more or less performs as well. Although not tunable he says everyone is very pleased with theirs he has running them. At least he seems to be arguing this would be his choice. And so does the young kid mechanic that actualy owned a Savage with one on it.

So whats the story here. Anyone NOT like a Jardine and why?

Sounds cheap enough.... right?

Jardine on my bike - Supertrapp on my wife's - I like the Jardine better.  Better sound.  Both started turning color within the same time frame (although the Jardine did turn blue where the Supertrapp turned golden brown to blue).

Your close to the same area as me Greg. So what did you jet too? I am in upstate SC and I beleive we are about the same altitude...

So your saying NOT to go adjustable. Then just go with a slightly larger jet for this. I should think 150?

Yes I searched around and saw your posts regarding the lose packing reports. Also found several reports of the discoloration on the Supertrapp's (saw more reports of those than Jardine). I see some dino results showing a bit more preformance out of the Supertrapp's and that might explain the more frequency of discolorations if people did not rejet. I am about to conclude the Jardine is closer to stock in its backpressure (and unchangable) as is... so it may be a tad easier to get by without rejetting. Which might explain my dealers reports from users not rejetting.

cphilip wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:


Yep, Clemson isn't that far away....been there many times, and since I also ride the Parkway, I can assure you that a single jet change will be just fine for your altitude and also the highest peaks over 6K feet.  My spouse is running a 152 main with her Trapp.

As for a dealer's perspective on what is good for a Savage....all that I can say is BS.  How many times do people buy a used Savage that has a blued pipe?  We hear it all the time on the forums, but what percentage of Savage riders (of all the Savages sold) actually visit these forums?  My guess is that the majority of the dealer installed mufflers go out the door and never return...they end up parked, wrecked, traded, or sold and the dealer doesn't really get any feedback anyway.  Most riders are new to the sport and don't even know if they have a problem when the pipe blues.....so I just don't think that a dealer is the best judge of what is good.  We are  8)

I like the Trapp and some like the Jardine.  I can't say anything bad about it and everyone has their own opinions and tastes.  If you want a Trapp without loosing back pressure, then just install 6 disks instead of 8 and see if it runs as you like it.  Then you might only need a 150 main.  My spouse's has 14 disks and she runs a 152 and a "1/2 spacer".

Oh, and don't forget to use the copper anti-sieze on those stainless bolts liberally....

Wow, just did a search and found this.  There is also a Canadian distributor.  The US site says 86-87 but the Canadian distributor's site says it fits 86-93.  Mine is a 98.  I wonder how different it would actually be.

Dyno sheets have shown no real improvements with the Jardine over stock...with the supertrapp improvements were found (this is from dyno sheets I have seen on the Heise site I believe).

My bike came with a Jardine on it from the dealer and when I looked inside it I was horrified to find out it has a louvered core with the louvers REVERSED!!!  A louvered core already is nearly as restrictive as a stock muffler...reversing the louvers makes it worse.  A straight through perforated core muffler would offer immensely better flow (though it would be louder than a louvered core muffler).

I am smelling our first Field test here.... I might just buy one to prove how big a Peace of crap this thing is... or isn't. What the heck eh? I mean I can see if its what it claims to be... and performance would not be my goal here... things like does it rust easy, discolor easy, need serious rejetting, sound like crap etc etc....

So maybe I will buy one and see if I can get a sound clip of this stock first and this thing after it... and some good digital photo's and follow its life through a while... if someone can get some comparisons ready for the Jardine and Supertrapp.... sound clips and all.... we could decide for ourselves if this thing is a piece of crap or not... going into it with eyes wide open and not expecting much out of it... put it to rest if need be. I am into that. I would not realy have much to gain or lose if it fails to be decent. I can always change it out if its a total dog pile...


I am down with it. Are you guys/gals?

PS - I have a Raask, SuperTrapp and Jardine sound clip.  Contact me directly if you are interested.