B-Will
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I have a 2001 Savage that has a rough idle. I've tried everything I can think of and cannot get the bike to idle right. At speed, it seems fine.
Now, for details. . .
Bike Specs: Year: 2001 Mileage: 3,200 Exhaust: Emgo turn-out style Carb main jet: #145 Carb pilot jet: #55 Air box and air filter: stock Petcock: Raptor Everything else: stock
Symptoms: - Rough idle, to the point that the RPMs are way to low - Momentary quickening of the idle, almost like it "fixes" itself to the correct idle for 1 second, then returns to the loping - A little black smoke when I rev engine when idling - New Emgo muffler now has turned yellow and is starting to turn blue - Black soot coating the header pipe and new muffler. Looking into the exhaust port with the headers off, its all black in there too
Other Observations: - The oil that was in the bike when I bought it was like chocolate syrup. Since the bike only had 3k miles, there's a good chance it literally never had an oil change until I bought it. I've done 3 so far (220 miles driven on it so far). The oil is starting to look better, but it's going to take a few more oil changes to clean the engine out I think. - When driving at mid speed, or higher speed, the bike rides fine. Seems like the mid and main carb circuits are fine. - Some exhaust seems to leak out the front interface where the header mounts to front of engine. It's really visible and the exhaust can be seen by the headlights at night. It's not pouring out, but noticeable. - It sounds like a car that's "missing". A low RPM, loping idle speed - Turning the idle mix screw (carefully) all the way clockwise (closing fuel off) produces the highest idle, although still rough. - Knurled idle nob has to be turned all the way in (highest idle speed available). Even so, It's better if I give it a bit more throttle to get it up to a safe idle speed. - After only about 220 miles of driving, the first spark plug because so fouled by black soot that the bike wouldn't start. New plug installed (bike starts now, but change to idle issue). - One day when I came home for lunch, I was sitting on the bike in the driveway thinking about the idle (while the bike was idling), and it started to rev up by itself. It sounded like whatever was wrong was momentarily fixed. Since I had the knurled knob so high, the RPMs started to rev up quite a bit. Whatever was broken, appeared to be momentarily fixed. When I started it up after lunch, the rough idle was back.
Fixes tried / mods accomplished so far: - Stock petcock replaced with Raptor - New exhaust gasket installed where headers mount to engine. Ensured the two bolts were tightened to torque spec. Ensured exhaust system fasteners were tightened in the proper order - front (front part of header) to back (muffler hanger) - New air filter installed. Air box inspected for blockages. None found. - Fully cleaned carb. Removed pilot/main jet, floats, float needle and cleaned carb fully. Carb cleaner seems to go through all the little vents and holes in the carb with no apparent blockage. Butterfly valve cleaned and rotates well. Removed float needle diaphragm, cleaned with mild detergent. Removed idle mix screw and inspected/cleaned. No issues found. Removed TEV diagram and inspected. Nothing jumped out as being wrong there. - Sanded white spacer to 1/2 height. That helped mid range and backfiring (which wasn't bad to begin with), but no change to idle issue. - Tried #47.5, #50 and #55 pilot jets. No change at all. Idle mix screw produces highest idle when fully seated regardless if using #47.5, 50, 55 pilot jets. Even so, idle is very rough. Idle mix screw has no affect on idle right now with the exception that the idle increases slightly when the screw is fully seated - Checked header pipes for blockage (dirt dobbers maybe?). Other than the black soot, no blockages found. - Checked for vacuum leaks by spraying starting fluid on rear carb boot as well as front boot (where carb send fuel to engine). No changes to RPMs. Ensured right side port was capped after raptor mod. No vacuum leaks found. - Spark plug replaced when I first purchased the bike. I put a second in there the other day (the first had become sooted up in only 220 miles). I did the spark check, and the plug seems to be getting a good spark and not "missing".
Thoughts: Best I can figure, the idle circuit appears to be starving for air. The soot seems to indicate that (maybe that's the cause of the discoloring of the pipes). Putting bigger pilot jets in the carb probably just makes the problem worse. I just can't figure out what's failing and causing the idle circuit to starve. The air starvation seems to be trumping any other tweaking I'm doing with regard to idling. Nothing is going to change the bike's idle issue (like swapping pilot jets) until I fix that problem it seems.
My next guess is that the exhaust leaking from the front the engine may have something to do with it. I'm really running out of ideas at this point. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
BTW, everything I've done to this point on this bike is a result of the good info found on this site. You guys are awesome. I'm on Savage #2 and my first one turned out great (another barn pull). I know this one will too once I figure this issue out.
Thank you in advance!
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