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Reply #30 - 09/07/21 at 08:22:24

There will never be a vaccine that provides lifetime sterilizing immunity to the disease caused by sars-coV-2. It isn't that kind of virus. There are only two viral diseases in humans that such a vaccine exists for - smallpox and polio. Even the other viral diseases that we have vaccines for require a booster at some point. Immunity fades, even if it takes years - like measles and tetanus for example.

None of those are Coronaviruses and their means of infection and replication are completely different from Coronaviruses.

Covid is going to be an endemic disease like colds, RSV and the seasonal flu. It isn't going away.

The focus should have always been on therapeutics rather than
an experimental and potentially dangerous in the long term - it's already demonstrably bad enough in the short term - "vaccine"

There is no such thing as "herd immunity", vaccine or naturally induced, with this bug either. Even if the "experts" decide that a twice a year booster is going to be required. That's what's coming I fear.

The only way out of this is through the natural process that occurs with most coronaviruses. As they mutate they become more infectious and less lethal. They never go away, Our own immune system learns to deal with them and they become a seasonal annoyance like a cold or the seasonal flu, to almost everyone except the very unhealthy or immunocompromised

There is now starting to be some evidence that these so-called vaccines are short circuiting that natural process in healthy immune systems also. I got the J&J shot in May. I now wish I hadn't. Janssen is now saying 5 months for a booster. Then forever? Nope, not me.

Pay attention to Israel and the UK for the next year or so. That's where the Sh*t will hit the fan first. The US will be a bit behind.

New Zealand and Australia are going to be interesting too. I don't think the Covid Zero approach is going to work either. Things are going to blow up in those places sooner or later I'm afraid.

Immunologists and virologists know this stuff. It's not some esoteric secret. I don't know why the people who are shaping policy are lying to us. But they are.

"Everybody get the shot. No more masks. Back to normal."

Remember that?

"..down to the bottom of a whirlpool of lies."

Bob Dylan

guess the song and win a cigar Cheesy

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Reply #31 - 09/07/21 at 21:28:27

"Corruption?
I didn't say it was corruption. It was dismissed because
Trump."

That is corruption. Denying, hiding, altering, dismissing information that is otherwise factual and useable because you don't like the President is, to me, corrupt behavior.

"Search

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33342929/

Just one,, there are others."

This proves my point. The efficacy was analyzed and when the claims of one research paper can not be replicated those claims are not considered applicable. So what you show is a preliminary study, and what I have presented, that you won't read, is the lack of replicable outcomes.

But Trump and a doctor with no evidence, zero, is all the information your BS detector needs. If hydroxychloroquine was a "proven cure" why do people who take it get Covid?

How is it a cure if you still get the disease?

"FFS,the jab was Not being promoted by the left while Trump was in office.
It was being talked very negatively about."

I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented.

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Reply #33 - 09/08/21 at 05:20:51

I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented.

And as I said, that doesn’t matter. Politicians and bureaucratic leaders do watch the media. They do believe what they hear they do pass the long and they influence the media.

There was a story in last nights local news about skyrocketing hospitalization of children with Covid and local hospitals. During the story the doctor mentioned the skyrocketing cases of RSV in the area as well.

So I immediately thought is this a situation where we have children hospitalized from aRSV (which kills four times more children a year than Covid in 20 months) who tested positive for Covid but are either asymptomatic or showing very few symptoms but they are hidden behind the RSV symptoms.

So in reality do we have a surge of RSV cases because children went more than a year with a mask on and did not build what little natural immunity to RSV we typically do?

Or because so many children were not in school last year and now that they’ve started school we’re seeing a surge that basically is the equivalent of two years into one?

Or does wearing a mask for hours at a time actually increase the likelihood of contracting RSV?

All those logically seem like possibilities yet it was never mentioned in the story and the reporter apparently never even thought about it. As far as I can tell following the new stations Twitter account, nobody else is mentioning it. Are we that stupid? Do we have an enormous percentage of the population that either blindly believes what a news story says or is just background noise and not really listening to it?

At the end of the story, was a mother whose child was in the hospital with RSV and who said she had hesitated getting him the shot but then the story ended with her pleading for everyone to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19. She was morbidly obese and when they showed the kid coughing in his hospital gown, he was likewise morbidly obese.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not looking real Promising Reply #34 - 09/08/21 at 08:18:21 https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/09/more-please-who-scientist-that-spoke-out-ag ainst-using-ivermectin-charged-with-mass-murder
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Reply #35 - 09/08/21 at 08:36:42

Another ivermectin article, referenced multiple times, is full of lies:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/ivermectin-covid-study-sus...

The numbers, genders, and ages of the study’s participants were inconsistent. A hospital named in the paper as taking part in the experiments said it has no record of it happening. Health officials in the province of Buenos Aires have also said that they also have no record of the study receiving local approval.

https://medicalpressopenaccess.com/upload/1629625741_1007.pdf

How did people change genders, ages during the study? Obviously a cover-up, can't be lies from the people presenting the paper.

Another one, referenced, not even close. Did you BS detector notice this?

"Regardless of the publication stage or subject of a manuscript, if the integrity of an article is called into question, our policy is to investigate. Upon further scrutiny by our Research Integrity team about the objectivity of this paper during the provisional acceptance phase, it was revealed that the article made a series of strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance, and at times, without the use of control groups. Further, the authors promoted their own specific ivermectin-based treatment which is inappropriate for a review article and against our editorial policies."

Another one, full of procedural flaws, but that's ok, real useable evidence only applies to things we don;t like.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

But the actual clinical trials, lets ignore those because they might not have the answer you already believe, by providing proven false evidence, to be true.

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&cntr...

Now I am not saying Ivermectin is not effective, I am saying that I would need more information than what has been presented to make a judgement. This is because I prefer to not engage in confirmation bias, and let one thing I like get a free pass to lie to me more than the stuff I do not like.

So people who take hydroxychloroquine get Covid. How is it a "proven cure" if you still get the disease?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not looking real Promising Reply #36 - 09/08/21 at 09:11:34 Let's replace hydroxycloroguin with the Jab. See what I did there?
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Reply #37 - 09/08/21 at 10:34:47

Eegore wrote on 09/07/21 at 21:28:27:

" ... That is corruption. Denying, hiding, altering, dismissing information that is otherwise factual and useable because you don't like the President is, to me, corrupt behavior. ... "

So when these things were said.
(Which every one panned out to be totally made up)
“The Media said, Trump ordered protesters to be tear-gassed for a photo-op”
“Biden said, He’s using the American military against the American people,”
“Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said in 2020 that former President Donald Trump ordered a park cleared so that he could take photographs at a Washington, D.C., church”
“a bunch of UL DFS Socialists said; dismissed that coronavirus could have leaked from a lab, and called it a, “fringe conspiracy theory”
“the Washington Post reported that “Russian hackers penetrated the U.S. electricity grid through a utility in Vermont,” causing predictable outrage and panic”
“the Washington Post published one of the most inflammatory, sensationalistic stories to date about Russian infiltration into U.S. politics using social media, and added: “stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign [on Facebook] were viewed more than 213 million times.””
“CNN reported that Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci was involved with the Russian Direct Investment Fund, under Senate investigation. “
“NBC News and MSNBC spread all over its airwaves a claim from Ken Dilanian that Russia was behind a series of dastardly attacks on U.S. personnel “
“HillaryClinton - Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank
“Schiff insisted that he had evidence proving the plot. In December 2017 he told CNN that collusion was a fact: “The Russians offered help, the campaign accepted help. The Russians gave help and the President made full use of that help.”

And on, and On, and ON, again, Again, AGAIN, ... ... ...

You believe it is ,"...corrupt behavior..." ?
Whadaknow. Great !!!!!

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Reply #38 - 09/08/21 at 11:22:36

"Let's replace hydroxycloroguin with the Jab.
See what I did there?"

Yeah you made a suggestion with no evidence to support it.

If hydroxychloroquine is as you claim a "proven cure" why do people who take it still get Covid? What kind of cure allows you to still get, and die from, a disease?

I was ok with hydroxychloroquine up until the information showed little to no gain, and some degrees of heart issues. Not because Trump. Because of medical outcomes. I use medical outcomes, the ones you won't read.

Trump should have nothing to do with this. You are literally doing the same thing you are complaining about, just in reverse.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not looking real Promising Reply #39 - 09/08/21 at 12:26:58 You can think that.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not looking real Promising Reply #40 - 09/08/21 at 20:48:55 You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did. You can get back to Normal.. Remember? You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems.
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Reply #41 - 09/09/21 at 00:14:48

"You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did.
You can get back to Normal..
Remember?
You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems."

I never said there aren't problems. I said a "cure" will prevent disease, as in it cures the disease. You claimed, multiple times, that hydroxychloroquine "cures" Covid. How? How is it a cure if you still get the disease?

I never said vaccines would be effective. I said I would look at the presented data and see. Now, that there is info, I think .0018% mortality of anything is pretty darn low, what is your accepted rate?

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Reply #42 - 09/09/21 at 08:34:49

The traditional flu vaccine is not 100% and never has been.
Fact is, if you have the Covid vaccine you are 99% less likely than an unvaccinated person to die or be hospitalized.
That's pretty darn good.

Out of 1.6 million hospitalized, .65% were vaccinated.
As of Aug 30, 2,437 vaccinated deaths, or .92% of the total.
0.01% of the 173 million vaccinated or 12,908 people have died or been hospitalized.
This is truly a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

1 in 4 infections are now children.
Get the jab to protect them.

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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh

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Re: Not looking real Promising
Reply #44 - 09/09/21 at 08:54:13

Eegore wrote on 09/09/21 at 00:14:48:

"You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did.
You can get back to Normal..
Remember?
You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems."

I never said there aren't problems. I said a "cure" will prevent disease, as in it cures the disease. You claimed, multiple times, that hydroxychloroquine "cures" Covid. How? How is it a cure if you still get the disease?

The same way you say take the jab. Apparently nothing is perfect.

I never said vaccines would be effective. I said I would look at the presented data and see. Now, that there is info, I think .0018% mortality of anything is pretty darn low, what is your accepted rate?

If that is actually correct.. It's good.
I'm still not going to get it.

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