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Title: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/21 at 01:12:07 https://basedunderground.com/2021/09/03/ultra-vaxxed-booster-heavy-israel-now-has-more-covid-infections-per-capita-than-any-country-in-the-world/ Fauci says Yeah, gonna need three shots You don't need the booster If you don't take the first one |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/03/21 at 05:42:28 For those of us that are not immune to the virus asymptomatic stages they might want to have an edge. I am not aware of anyone saying the vaccine was a cure, but people will act like it is. It's one thing to select a portion of the evidence and create an article around one doctor's assessment of clinical evidence, and using all available clinical evidence. Also pretending the phrase: "They achieved over 80% vaccination rate for eligible results." means all of Isreal is a good manipulation strategy. That doesn't mean 80% of the population. 87% of cases are over age 60 have comorbidities and carry Delta - but lets leave that part out for some reason. The uptick in hospitalizations is concerning, however we need to compare to the initial rise and infection to fatality ratio. Once we know how many of these current hospitalizations result in death we can assess an efficacy rate against death. So we have multiple potential outcomes: Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations and death. Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations and death for a specific demographic. Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations but not death. Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations but not death for a specific demographic. Pfizer reduces infection rates and death but not hospitalizations. Pfizer reduces infection rates and death but not hospitalizations for a specific demographic. Etc. etc. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/ |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/03/21 at 09:01:05 I just had to go through this after reading. Look at the choice of words... "vaccine-nannies, darling of the vaccine world, perpetual boosters, Jewish state, coaxing, globalist elites, cabal of nefarious groups and individuals, forcing folks into dependency, always part of the plan, last bit of “success”. This is what the globalists wanted. Biden-Harris regime, the Antichrist or a minion pulling the strings from the shadows." I could go on,.. JoG,.. you asked why some people have vaccine hesitancy? It's people like this. Do you want to side with the cabal of nefarious global elites? No? Then don't vax... Try horse de-worming medicine. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/21 at 09:12:27 C'mon man, even Biden was downing the shot. Because Trump. Did your selective memory kick in? You DON'T remember the negative response to The Trump shot? Who do you think got it fired up? I Don't wonder where Vaccine hesitancy comes from. I'm absolutely not taking it. Don't remember it being called a cure? Technically, that is correct. Safe and effective Even the vaers site shows a Yuge uptick. Now Fraudci says Looks like you're going to need three shots.. How is it considered Safe? Who is unaware of the damage to people? The DEAD ones? Effective? How can anyone say that? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/03/21 at 09:53:37 "How is it considered Safe?" An algorithm. I am no longer working in the response Command Center in CO and can't just pull up the numbers, but all medications have side-effects. At a certain point the level of treatment exceeds the level of side-effects and that becomes safe. Like driving. Is it safe? Can you possibly control every variable and make it "safe"? "Who is unaware of the damage to people? The DEAD ones?" The fatality rate connected to vaccinations is extremely low. Millions and millions of people have taken it. In the US my last verified number, less than a month ago was 337 million doses with a fatality ratio of 0.0018%. You think 0.0018% is too much, people better stop bowling because 0.0021% of bowlers in the US die at the Alley. Of course you also think Texans "aren't dying" however the families of the DEAD would disagree. So who is actually unaware of the damage and the DEAD in this case? http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1615217349/17#17 "Effective? How can anyone say that?" Reduced infection rates and hospitalizations in highly vaccinated areas. Refusing to look at that evidence doesn't make it disappear for everyone else. Now the rates will change, for sure, and we may find that the vaccine overall efficacy is lower than initial distribution projected. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/03/21 at 10:31:22 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
The majority of anti-vaxxers are Trump supporters. It was Fox News that repeatedly promoted Horse worming medicine. It was Trump rally's that went mostly unmasked. It is Conservative talk hosts that are dropping like flies to Covid. Go ahead,.. become a statistic. Republican voter roles are dropping fast enough without this, but it sure won't help Trump get re-elected. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/21 at 12:35:18 That is UNPOSSIBLE! Everyone Knows Trump supporters Think what HE tells them to Think and they Bah GAWD Do what he SAYS Do and He is and has been a Jab supporter! So, either We Don't follow Trump or or what? Your head exploded yet? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/03/21 at 12:58:53 Trump's not so much your leader as your puppet. He follows the compass of the looney nationalist fringe. He'll make a great Captain for 2024, leading you off edge of the Earth. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/21 at 18:34:51 Nice lefty dodge.. You Know I handed you yerass.. My butthurtedness cream is still on sale. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/21 at 03:23:36 I got the vaccine. When the booster becomes available I will wait for a while and see what happens but then I will probably take it. I understand math very well, it’s part of my job. I understand risk. Missouri does not have a helmet law requirement anymore but I always wear a helmet. (Honestly, my wife says I have a bit of a fetish because I have a bunch of them! But I digress.) The problem with the vaccine was on full display with the comments made by our fair and balanced moderator. Covid and the vaccine has been turned into a political weapon. Remember our POC VP said she would not take Trump’s vaccine. When you attack your team leader people rally around them, even to their detriment. So the people who aren’t getting vaccines, there’s a large portion of them out of a sense of loyalty to their team’s leader. My brothers are like that. but And honestly, the left is to blame for this. You turned Covid into a tool to get Trump out of office so you’re going to have to live with yet another consequence. For me, I see no reason not to take the vaccine. I’m not in a high-risk category by any means but I’m not zero. But I don’t complain about anybody who chooses not to. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by oldNslow on 09/04/21 at 09:02:03 Quote:
Agree. I got the J&J shot back in May. Hasn't done me any harm and I'm not expecting it to. I've learned enough since May to be convinced that it isn't all that likely to do me any good either. I'm old enough to be considered in the at risk category but I'm pretty healthy and fit. So I'm done. No booster. No masks. NADA. No advice from anyone who claims to be an "expert" will be followed. That goes double if the "expert" works for any government in any capacity. The needle on my bulls*it meter hit the stop so hard that it snapped right off quite a while ago. Anybody claims to be lookin' out for my best best interests gonna get a suspicious look and a friendly "F**k off!" 8-) |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/04/21 at 09:40:35 “… It's one thing to select a portion of the evidence and create an article around one doctor's assessment of clinical evidence …” Sorta true, yet that statement is missing information. One or a small amount of doctors, who are totally independent, analyze information/trends/results, and come to a conclusion. A large group of doctors, who’s income/livelihood is, DEPENDENT, on the government, will come to the conclusion, they are TOLD to come to. Then write dissertations, using double and triple negatives, a lot of, ’perhaps/could be/possible’, words. And set after set of raw numbers, (NO percentage), which works well with the last 30 years of, ‘Dumbing Down’ the schools. “…Reduced infection rates and hospitalizations in highly vaccinated areas…” Was not Israeli highly vaccinated ? Did not Israeli have a severe, ‘lock-down’ ? Did not Israeli have a required vaccine ‘passport’ to enter certain buildings ? “… Refusing to look at that evidence doesn't make it disappear for everyone else …” Yes it does. When Evidence is provided by one political party, it, ‘disappears’ for the other political party. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/04/21 at 21:06:39 Was not Israeli highly vaccinated ? Yes. Was not the information I provided indicating a "reduced" and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rate? Did not Israeli have a severe, ‘lock-down’ ? Yes. And there were reduced, and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rates and hospitalizations. Did not Israeli have a required vaccine ‘passport’ to enter certain buildings ? Yes. And there were reduced, and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rates and hospitalizations. Not agreeing with those measures does not change the outcome. Yes it does. When Evidence is provided by one political party, it, ‘disappears’ for the other political party. People refusing to look at the evidence provided here does not change that that evidence exists here. Your political affiliation will not alter whether you can look at that information or not. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/21 at 23:05:36 Reduced? Looks like rampant |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/05/21 at 01:54:25 Reduced? Looks like rampant So you looked at that information I provided and you don't see a reduction in infections and hospitalizations after vaccines were implemented? How did you come to that conclusion? Or are you only looking at the information in the article you provided and ignoring that it mixes overall population with only those vaccinated? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/21 at 05:14:28 Sweden seems to be thinking the same way. They are considering banning Israelis from visiting. If you don't see a problem with the not a vaccine vaccine, I don't understand how. Vaers, as much as I don't believe it is accurate, just as I was trying to get people to see how the Covid numbers were incorrect. Different directions, yeah, and wrong. CDC Now admits that about twice as many Got it than they previously said. Because of the number of people with antibodies that never reported being ill. I probably have the antibodies. My wife does. She never went to the doctor. She's65,pretty seriously overweight, asthmatic. I'd be willing to say forty pounds could get lost and she would not be at all skinny. The vaccine, imo,is causing as much trouble as it is fixing. If it's so great, Howcumizzit Israel is looking such a mess? And you're aware I'm sure that the declaration of Vaccinated versus unvaccinated at the hospital is not what the average person would say, right? If you get the jab and you get covid and go to the hospital You are Counted as Unvaccinated Unless it's been two weeks.. And to answer your question No,E,I didn't read that stuff.. Why? Frankly I've been living for years just hitting the high points and seeing. My batting average suits me fine. My bullshit detector has served me well. And I know covid Is A Thing. It's deadly for some. The percentage is quite low. The response was overblown And Deadly. The Response destroyed lives. And the vaccine is, now that we have evidence that about twice as many as previously thought, Had covid, the already low mortality rate is effectively halved, doing damage that should not be acceptable. Other vaccination programs were halted, with less numbers of people harmed or killed. And the way ivermectin and hydroxycloroguin and other approaches were treated is unforgivable. Once again The Experts have screwed the pooch. I'm not wasting my time with Fisking Fauci. Pick a side, mask, no mask, vaccine will protect you, vaccine will minimize your symptoms, you can get back to normal, you still need a mask, you will need three shots, NOTHING he has said can be trusted. No, I'm not taking a shot. And a bunch of people who did wish they hadn't. The families some left behind wish they hadn't. Question What does it cost to get the jab? Is it free? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/05/21 at 06:54:00 Quote:
In Minn it costs at the very least, $100.00. All those people, who do NOT pay taxes GET $100.00, for taking the shot. While all the people who PAY taxes, Still get $100.00. (if they get a Shot) Yet they only get a portion of their money back. The people who don’t get the shot, (and PAY Taxes) PAY for the $100.00, given to the people that don’t pay taxes. Pay part of the $100.00 for the people that pay taxes. And pay for the difference the other fees charged, to the government/s/insurance companies/premiums. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/21 at 07:20:00 That turns into a Big Sack O Munnee. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by oldNslow on 09/05/21 at 07:59:29 Quote:
Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and don't just say that he's a lying POS, it's pretty obvious that his "expertise" is pretty suspect. Health dept. here in my county is running in circles right now: Recommendations as of a day or two ago: Unvaxed: wear a mask everywhere Vaxed: wear a mask everywhere 'cept at home. Vaxed:You can travel for the labor day holiday, have a barbecue, hang of with your friends and family, but you probably shouldn't and you better mask up and be scared of each other. Unvaxed: Just stay the f*ck home till you wise up and get the shot. (Unstated aloud but implied "What the h*ll is wrong with you anyway?) Most folks I see seem to be ignoring those recommendations though. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/05/21 at 09:11:20 You can't ask for static recommendations for a disease that is mutating and ongoing. That would be stupid. Pick a place,... Israel... whatever is happening there would be worse without vaccinations. It's not perfect, nothing is. It's the best we've got, and it's pretty good. ..and it's free... everywhere. I got Covid March 2020... before the vax. Before they knew what was going on. 3 weeks deathly ill, 5 days ICU Covid ward. My heart went into a-fib/a-flutter. Pleurisy. 3 ER visits. Double heart procedure in July 2020. Still getting back in shape. Still short of breath but doing lots better. It's no joke if it hits you wrong. Get the vax. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/05/21 at 11:06:48 7761766B73666B70040 wrote:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Coming from a person, who believes Ding-Dong and HO-HO, are honest. And actually have, a brain cell between the two of them. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/21 at 14:51:10 Free? Nothing is Free. If you don't have to pay, then you have absolutely No idea how much Someone is paying. Ohh,wouldn't it be nice to sell a product that Can't be returned for a refund. You're nearly100% safe from a lawsuit Have the media and Government Experts telling everyone to Go Get Some. Row,sorry for issues, that sounds terrible,, but just so you know,, vaccinated people are Dying, from covid. It's a crapshoot. Ya pays her money, or someone else's, and ya takes her chances. My SIL knows a guy whose son had just landed a BBall scholarship at a college. Top shape,17 years old, ICU on a ventilator. Probably never play again. And there I was, old, almost forty pounds overweight, smoker, drinker, in the same bed with my wife who had it and I never felt anything. And who knows,, if I took the jab it might kill me. What is good for one isn't necessarily good for everyone. Personal Choice,, Since you have survived it, hopefully,, will you get the jab? It's fine if you don't answer. That is absolutely your business. If you don't Mind me asking.. I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/05/21 at 15:50:11 I got the J&J in March this year. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/21 at 17:48:47 Thanks,, best of luck and get well. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/05/21 at 21:54:00 And to answer your question No,E,I didn't read that stuff.. Why? Frankly I've been living for years just hitting the high points and seeing. However your expectation, from what I have gathered over time, is that we read your information. "We" being all know humans besides JoG. If we don't answer we are gutless. Here's an example of what selective information does: And the way ivermectin and hydroxycloroguin and other approaches were treated is unforgivable. Hydroxychloroquine was examined, but didn't provide results. Your source was Trump, and a doctor that can't provide a single piece of evidence. That's your BS detector at work. If hydroxychloroquine was a "proven cure" why do people who take it get Covid? Why did Trump get Covid if it was a proven cure? Now I am not against the idea that hydroxychloroquine is useful, but I don't see why there has to be some corruption if it isn't useful. Why can't people with similar political ideas as you be wrong about that? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/21 at 05:23:33 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
I had no idea and I’m truly sorry to hear that. As much as I want a miserable leftist commie rat who is destroying my country to suffer in this virtual world, I wish nothing but good health in the real world. (Unless we meet on the field of battle during the second civil war) I hope you continue to recover. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/21 at 05:28:22 I had a fairly harsh reaction to my first Pfizer shot and the doctor told me that means I had probably been exposed to the virus but my immune system managed it so that I didn’t even realize it. I may have thought it was a mild cold or something. The case Jog pointed out almost seems random. Sometimes you hear of a professional athlete dying of a heart attack at age 22. Just one of those fluke things. But from a demographic point of you, it’s very well known who is far more likely to get seriously ill from Covid and it’s a fairly narrow list. Instead of fighting each other to the death over a stupid flimsy fabric mask, why are we not talking about overall health? Immunity health for example. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/06/21 at 09:06:22 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
;D ;D ;D Hey,... thanks... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/21 at 01:37:20 7454565E4354310 wrote:
Corruption? I didn't say it was corruption. It was dismissed because Trump. Search https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33342929/ Just one,, there are others. Ivermectin,, Rather than treating people who have symptoms, it's looking like hospitals are waiting till they are totally screwed,then admit them. FFS,the jab was Not being promoted by the left while Trump was in office. It was being talked very negatively about. Because Trump. Don't preach to me about being open minded with The other side.. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/07/21 at 04:44:58 I read those hyperventilating over a horse dewormer like ivermectin should be reminded penicillin is mold. Point is that once again, the health and well being of the nation is being damaged because our national media which has huge influence over national policy, exaggerates and flat out lies in order for the left to maintain an appearance of wise leadership. I’ve read summaries of other studies that show some effectiveness in the treatment of Covid symptoms with those drugs, but as in many situations, effectiveness is based upon many variables. However, because Trump mentioned one drug, it’s fate was sealed by the national media. And now the other is presented as horse medicine when that’s not exactly true. The Rolling Stone magazine published totally made up nonsense about rural hospitals being inundated with patients who overdosed on a horse drug and gun shot victims were forced to wait in the hallways. Rolling Stone magazine is not exactly a source you should consider but because the story had the potential to make liberal leaders look wise, it was immediately grabbed and republished thousands of times, including Rachel Maddow on MSNBC at her millions of followers. Of course it’s nonsense but none of those will face any retribution from the actions. It will be forgotten about and rolling stone magazine may publish another article next week about how Harris was strongly advising against the Afghanistan pull out and it will be hailed as gospel. And before you remind everyone Eegore that you don’t read national media, the point is politicians do. They do because they know millions of fools get all their information from Lester Holt or Jimmy Fallon and that’s what they base decisions on who and what policy they will support. So the failings of the national media do matter. In fact they matter more than just about anything else. We can’t they let the extreme left take over. It will be death to America. We can’t let the extreme right rise up in response and take over. That will be death to America. Maybe I’m feeling particularly pessimistic this morning but I do not see a way out of this. I’m afraid we’re going to turn into Brazil. A giant country, with millions of people, existing in a society that barely qualifies as civilized. It will take divine influence to rescue us. And take a few minutes and go read the book of Habakkuk and see what could happen if God decides to intervene and save us. It’s a dreadful cure. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by oldNslow on 09/07/21 at 08:22:24 There will never be a vaccine that provides lifetime sterilizing immunity to the disease caused by sars-coV-2. It isn't that kind of virus. There are only two viral diseases in humans that such a vaccine exists for - smallpox and polio. Even the other viral diseases that we have vaccines for require a booster at some point. Immunity fades, even if it takes years - like measles and tetanus for example. None of those are Coronaviruses and their means of infection and replication are completely different from Coronaviruses. Covid is going to be an endemic disease like colds, RSV and the seasonal flu. It isn't going away. The focus should have always been on therapeutics rather than an experimental and potentially dangerous in the long term - it's already demonstrably bad enough in the short term - "vaccine" There is no such thing as "herd immunity", vaccine or naturally induced, with this bug either. Even if the "experts" decide that a twice a year booster is going to be required. That's what's coming I fear. The only way out of this is through the natural process that occurs with most coronaviruses. As they mutate they become more infectious and less lethal. They never go away, Our own immune system learns to deal with them and they become a seasonal annoyance like a cold or the seasonal flu, to almost everyone except the very unhealthy or immunocompromised There is now starting to be some evidence that these so-called vaccines are short circuiting that natural process in healthy immune systems also. I got the J&J shot in May. I now wish I hadn't. Janssen is now saying 5 months for a booster. Then forever? Nope, not me. Pay attention to Israel and the UK for the next year or so. That's where the Sh*t will hit the fan first. The US will be a bit behind. New Zealand and Australia are going to be interesting too. I don't think the Covid Zero approach is going to work either. Things are going to blow up in those places sooner or later I'm afraid. Immunologists and virologists know this stuff. It's not some esoteric secret. I don't know why the people who are shaping policy are lying to us. But they are. "Everybody get the shot. No more masks. Back to normal." Remember that? "..down to the bottom of a whirlpool of lies." Bob Dylan guess the song and win a cigar :D |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/07/21 at 21:28:27 "Corruption? I didn't say it was corruption. It was dismissed because Trump." That is corruption. Denying, hiding, altering, dismissing information that is otherwise factual and useable because you don't like the President is, to me, corrupt behavior. "Search https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33342929/ Just one,, there are others." This proves my point. The efficacy was analyzed and when the claims of one research paper can not be replicated those claims are not considered applicable. So what you show is a preliminary study, and what I have presented, that you won't read, is the lack of replicable outcomes. But Trump and a doctor with no evidence, zero, is all the information your BS detector needs. If hydroxychloroquine was a "proven cure" why do people who take it get Covid? How is it a cure if you still get the disease? "FFS,the jab was Not being promoted by the left while Trump was in office. It was being talked very negatively about." I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/21 at 00:15:02 The media? Biden.. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/08/21 at 05:20:51 I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented. And as I said, that doesn’t matter. Politicians and bureaucratic leaders do watch the media. They do believe what they hear they do pass the long and they influence the media. There was a story in last nights local news about skyrocketing hospitalization of children with Covid and local hospitals. During the story the doctor mentioned the skyrocketing cases of RSV in the area as well. So I immediately thought is this a situation where we have children hospitalized from aRSV (which kills four times more children a year than Covid in 20 months) who tested positive for Covid but are either asymptomatic or showing very few symptoms but they are hidden behind the RSV symptoms. So in reality do we have a surge of RSV cases because children went more than a year with a mask on and did not build what little natural immunity to RSV we typically do? Or because so many children were not in school last year and now that they’ve started school we’re seeing a surge that basically is the equivalent of two years into one? Or does wearing a mask for hours at a time actually increase the likelihood of contracting RSV? All those logically seem like possibilities yet it was never mentioned in the story and the reporter apparently never even thought about it. As far as I can tell following the new stations Twitter account, nobody else is mentioning it. Are we that stupid? Do we have an enormous percentage of the population that either blindly believes what a news story says or is just background noise and not really listening to it? At the end of the story, was a mother whose child was in the hospital with RSV and who said she had hesitated getting him the shot but then the story ended with her pleading for everyone to get their children vaccinated against COVID-19. She was morbidly obese and when they showed the kid coughing in his hospital gown, he was likewise morbidly obese. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/21 at 08:18:21 https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/09/more-please-who-scientist-that-spoke-out-against-using-ivermectin-charged-with-mass-murder |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/08/21 at 08:36:42 Another ivermectin article, referenced multiple times, is full of lies: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/ivermectin-covid-study-suspect-data The numbers, genders, and ages of the study’s participants were inconsistent. A hospital named in the paper as taking part in the experiments said it has no record of it happening. Health officials in the province of Buenos Aires have also said that they also have no record of the study receiving local approval. https://medicalpressopenaccess.com/upload/1629625741_1007.pdf How did people change genders, ages during the study? Obviously a cover-up, can't be lies from the people presenting the paper. Another one, referenced, not even close. Did you BS detector notice this? "Regardless of the publication stage or subject of a manuscript, if the integrity of an article is called into question, our policy is to investigate. Upon further scrutiny by our Research Integrity team about the objectivity of this paper during the provisional acceptance phase, it was revealed that the article made a series of strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance, and at times, without the use of control groups. Further, the authors promoted their own specific ivermectin-based treatment which is inappropriate for a review article and against our editorial policies." Another one, full of procedural flaws, but that's ok, real useable evidence only applies to things we don;t like. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w But the actual clinical trials, lets ignore those because they might not have the answer you already believe, by providing proven false evidence, to be true. https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search Now I am not saying Ivermectin is not effective, I am saying that I would need more information than what has been presented to make a judgement. This is because I prefer to not engage in confirmation bias, and let one thing I like get a free pass to lie to me more than the stuff I do not like. So people who take hydroxychloroquine get Covid. How is it a "proven cure" if you still get the disease? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/21 at 09:11:34 Let's replace hydroxycloroguin with the Jab. See what I did there? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/08/21 at 10:34:47 6E4E4C44594E2B0 wrote:
So when these things were said. (Which every one panned out to be totally made up) “The Media said, Trump ordered protesters to be tear-gassed for a photo-op” “Biden said, He’s using the American military against the American people,” “Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said in 2020 that former President Donald Trump ordered a park cleared so that he could take photographs at a Washington, D.C., church” “a bunch of UL DFS Socialists said; dismissed that coronavirus could have leaked from a lab, and called it a, “fringe conspiracy theory” “the Washington Post reported that “Russian hackers penetrated the U.S. electricity grid through a utility in Vermont,” causing predictable outrage and panic” “the Washington Post published one of the most inflammatory, sensationalistic stories to date about Russian infiltration into U.S. politics using social media, and added: “stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign [on Facebook] were viewed more than 213 million times.”” “CNN reported that Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci was involved with the Russian Direct Investment Fund, under Senate investigation. “ “NBC News and MSNBC spread all over its airwaves a claim from Ken Dilanian that Russia was behind a series of dastardly attacks on U.S. personnel “ “HillaryClinton - Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank “Schiff insisted that he had evidence proving the plot. In December 2017 he told CNN that collusion was a fact: “The Russians offered help, the campaign accepted help. The Russians gave help and the President made full use of that help.” And on, and On, and ON, again, Again, AGAIN, ... ... ... You believe it is ,"...corrupt behavior..." ? Whadaknow. Great !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/08/21 at 11:22:36 "Let's replace hydroxycloroguin with the Jab. See what I did there?" Yeah you made a suggestion with no evidence to support it. If hydroxychloroquine is as you claim a "proven cure" why do people who take it still get Covid? What kind of cure allows you to still get, and die from, a disease? I was ok with hydroxychloroquine up until the information showed little to no gain, and some degrees of heart issues. Not because Trump. Because of medical outcomes. I use medical outcomes, the ones you won't read. Trump should have nothing to do with this. You are literally doing the same thing you are complaining about, just in reverse. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/21 at 12:26:58 You can think that. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/21 at 20:48:55 You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did. You can get back to Normal.. Remember? You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/09/21 at 00:14:48 "You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did. You can get back to Normal.. Remember? You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems." I never said there aren't problems. I said a "cure" will prevent disease, as in it cures the disease. You claimed, multiple times, that hydroxychloroquine "cures" Covid. How? How is it a cure if you still get the disease? I never said vaccines would be effective. I said I would look at the presented data and see. Now, that there is info, I think .0018% mortality of anything is pretty darn low, what is your accepted rate? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/09/21 at 08:34:49 The traditional flu vaccine is not 100% and never has been. Fact is, if you have the Covid vaccine you are 99% less likely than an unvaccinated person to die or be hospitalized. That's pretty darn good. Out of 1.6 million hospitalized, .65% were vaccinated. As of Aug 30, 2,437 vaccinated deaths, or .92% of the total. 0.01% of the 173 million vaccinated or 12,908 people have died or been hospitalized. This is truly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 1 in 4 infections are now children. Get the jab to protect them. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/21 at 08:38:28 Is it a pandemic if that’s the case? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/21 at 08:54:13 527270786572170 wrote:
If that is actually correct.. It's good. I'm still not going to get it. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/09/21 at 08:58:34 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
Technically I'm not sure. Endemic?... But it is global. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/21 at 10:01:01 Why not just stop everything? If the numbers you presented are correct, and I assume they are, then the solution is available to everyone. So just stop. Stop requiring mask stop having lottery winners for vaccination, stop firing people, stop requiring proof of vaccination, just stop. If you’re vaccinated you’re basically immune to serious illness. So why are we forcing other people to be vaccinated? Isn’t it their choice? If someone doesn’t vaccinate it doesn’t really impact me that much. Sure there’s a risk I could get a little bit sick from them but, we don’t stop people from eating so much they turn into big fat slobs and can’t do anything. Those people affect me as much as someone who doesn’t get vaccinated. they take up room in a hospital, they drive up insurance cost, they negatively affect how retail environments operate efficiently. Their weakened immune systems mean they get colds easily and they pass that on to me as I try to squeeze past them. We don’t force them to a gym, we don’t force them to buy certain foods. If the vaccine is that effective then let people decide if they want to get it or not. If they don’t, they’re assuming the vast majority of the risk. If they don’t, I assume a very small percentage of the risk. No greater risk than I assume in all kinds of situations in every day life. We let 16 year olds drive and they’re far more likely to cause an accident but we do it anyway. So I say let people decide or not if they want to get the vaccine on their own. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/09/21 at 11:06:10 I have a friend in Dallas. He's in need of a bypass but can't get scheduled because of hospital overcrowding. If that delay causes a heart attack, I'm sure they'll find space, but meanwhile he could die from medical care rationing. Covid is causing that. Idaho is saying consider your activities... wear a seatbelt, avoid accidents, because we may not be able to take you in an emergency. Beds are full... surgeries delayed... oxygen shortages. Nurses and doctors overwhelmed. The unvaccinated is all our problem. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by oldNslow on 09/09/21 at 11:07:57 Quote:
"COME-ON,MAN !!" We start letting people make up their own minds and before you know it they'e gonna start up all that FREEDOM crap again. That'll just f*ck up all our plans and all our hard work will be right down the crapper. That what you want? Sincerely, Your President, Uncle Joe ps. Lets just go get us a couple of nice ice cream cones and calm down. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/21 at 13:18:09 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
If all of your numbers are correct, that’s a temporary situation that will correct itself. And I’ve heard other stories how people can’t get emergency treatment because of all those unvaccinated people, but if I channel your comments about election fraud, those are very rare cases and they don’t really affect the course of the nation. And frankly I’m not sure I believe all the hospitals and i’m not sure I believe everybody who says they know somebody who can’t get emergency treatment because the hospital is full of Covid patients. I had surgery last October and was stuck in the recovery room for six or seven hours because they said all the rooms were full of Covid patients. That was BS. They had laid off housekeeping staff because so many people canceled elective surgeries the hospitals were losing money so they had a massive layoff. They had rooms, they just didn’t have enough people to clean them. Fortunately my job put me in contact with large healthcare providers and their engineering groups so I get a lot of the inside scoop. hospitals or businesses just like any place else. You’re just a number to them. If they can make more money hospitalizing someone with Covid as opposed to someone else without Covid, that’s who they’re going to hospitalize. Since Covid strikes the elderly far more often and far more seriously than others, there are far more patients on Medicare in hospitals being treated for Covid. Medicare payments fluctuate based on the diagnosis and I believe Medicare payment to hospitals for Covid is slightly higher than otherwise. I’ve seen 15% and I’ve seen 20%. Not sure which is correct. Either way if you’re operating a business and you can get 15% more for each room occupied, you don’t think there’s an incentive to fill those room at a higher rate? Of course there is. I don’t know all the details to this but I suspect there’s more to this than meets the eye. Bottom line if your friend really needs a bypass, he should be able to get it.He might be yanking your chain a little. Or it’s not really that bad. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Serowbot on 09/09/21 at 14:11:12 Be careful with your train of thought,.. it may lead you to supporting a not for profit NHS... |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/21 at 14:16:50 No chance. For profit healthcare has saved my life, my sons life and tens of millions of others. Nationalized healthcare kills. I’ve been to the VA. I don’t want healthcare run by the same people that run license offices. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/10/21 at 08:26:52 If you’re vaccinated you’re basically immune to serious illness. So why are we forcing other people to be vaccinated? Isn’t it their choice? If someone doesn’t vaccinate it doesn’t really impact me that much. Sure there’s a risk I could get a little bit sick from them but, we don’t stop people from eating so much they turn into big fat slobs and can’t do anything. Those people affect me as much as someone who doesn’t get vaccinated. they take up room in a hospital, they drive up insurance cost, they negatively affect how retail environments operate efficiently. Their weakened immune systems mean they get colds easily and they pass that on to me as I try to squeeze past them. We don’t force them to a gym, we don’t force them to buy certain foods. I think, given your example, that the infection transmission rates are significantly higher than catching the common cold while passing by someone. I think the general idea is there though. We could hope that the general passing of Covid among the unvaccinated cycles out the genetically indisposed first and fast enough that infection rates drop because most die within a decade. This of course goes against a lot of the general public health philosophies. These of course can go overboard, and we start to go into the realm of taking freedoms in the interest of "public health" when a lot of it is actually in the interest of "private health". Another option would be to develop Covid infection centers designed specifically for the higher volume of patients and treatment types. Bottom line is Covid hospitalizes and kills more than the common cold, so we need to come up with treatment alternatives that won't burden the critical care system. It is a valid question to inquire why any free adult should be forced to get a vaccine. So far, the people I know that claim they are forced are not. They can leave their job or get tested weekly. I know that mandatory flu shots has decreased employee absences during "flu season" within medical centers, so there is value in that regard. Free US Citizens aren't required to get a flu shot, but employees are. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/10/21 at 09:31:19 Quote:
I see, so a person, who is a employee, is not free. So is a, 'Free Citizen', one who is on the dole, (they are not employed) and cannot be required to take a drug test, to get, 'welfare/s'. (Like many employed people are REQUIRED to do, to have the, 'privilege', of giving their hard earned money to a welfare receiving person) Where does a retired person stand? Are they free or not ? They were a 'employee' at one time, they were FORCED to take some of the money they worked for and give it to the government, with the promise they will get it back, (which they will NEVER get all of it back) Were they, 'free' when they were growing up, then become not free, because they were employed, and now become free again, when they are not employed ? I was taught, that ALL USA CITIZENS were FREE ! (Wait, just for the nitpicking panty in a bunch crowd, Free, unless YOU have given up that, by committing a crime) Ah, forgot, that is also, NOT taught any longer in schools. What is taught, is that a person who has a certain color skin, a certain heritage, a certain religion, a certain sexual preference, is BETTER than another person who does not possess those special features. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/10/21 at 14:56:55 "" ... Free US Citizens aren't required to get a flu shot, but employees are. I see, so a person, who is a employee, is not free." No. That is you being difficult on purpose. To clarify: Free US Citizens aren't required to get a flu shot. Free US Citizens that are employed voluntarily by a business that requires a flu shot are required to have a flu shot to maintain their employment. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/21 at 17:48:11 Coercion,, If sex is involved,, someone is in trouble. The government creating financial incentives for employers to force employees to get the jab Unconscionable..evil. Hold someone's job hostage.. You can pretend it's voluntary,, |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/11/21 at 08:35:20 Quote:
Am I being, 'Difficult', because my POV is not, ‘lock-step’, with your POV ? Or because one of my POV’s is that Ding-Dong and HO-HO, want US Citizens to, NOT, be Free ? Quote:
Joe Blow does not have a job. J.B. wants a job, to be able to feed his family. The only place J.B. can, ‘voluntarily’, get a job, is at a place that employs over 100 people. J.B. is not longer ‘FREE’, because the POTUS has said he MUST get a shot. I Think about abortion. Abortion is a, ‘Choice’. One does not, HAVE, to have a abortion. I believe the bruhaha is about the reasons for the ‘choice’. If one of the reasons, (95 + %), was not, convenient/s, abortion would not be such a hot topic. Again for the panty in a bunch/nit pickers, does not having a abortion affect other people? Ya Bets Ya, it most certainly does. However Not having a shot, is, ‘suppose to’ not affect someone that chose to have a shot. (Key Words, 'SUPPOSE TO’) Golly Gee Wally, Why are the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists so up in arms about, ‘Choice’ for Abortion, Yet are DEMANDING, NO CHOICE, when it comes to taking a drug ? |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/11/21 at 12:43:15 "Joe Blow does not have a job. J.B. wants a job, to be able to feed his family. The only place J.B. can, ‘voluntarily’, get a job, is at a place that employs over 100 people. J.B. is not longer ‘FREE’, because the POTUS has said he MUST get a shot." What is your definition of "Free US Citizen"? Mine is a US Citizen that is not incarcerated. J.B. in your scenario is a Free US Citizen, that has made an undesirable career choice. He is not incarcerated, bound or otherwise limited by law, from examining alternatives to his employment position. By your logic any US Citizen that works a job that has criteria, like not smoking or being physically fit enough etc. is no longer Free. All firefighters in this country that would prefer to smoke and be lazy are not Free US Citizens by your logic. Just because we have to work at a job we do not want, to me, does not mean we are not a Free US Citizen and have been incarcerated against our will and must work that job. So when you state, and not ask, that I mean by being an employee one is no longer Free, you are incorrect. I mean Non-Incarcerated US Citizens. |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by MnSpring on 09/12/21 at 07:38:29 Quote:
Golly Gee Wally, I say a person, who gets a job, that now is suddenly, REQUIRED, to put something his/her body. Is equivalent to, all Firefighters want to be lazy, and smoke ! What a master at SPINNING. A job requiring certain qualification, Strength/Skill/Education/etc. Is quite different than, someone being forced to do something. But ‘Never Mind’, I am just being, ‘Difficult’ ! (Say it in the voice of Gilda Radner) |
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Title: Re: Not looking real Promising Post by Eegore on 09/12/21 at 11:56:35 What is your definition of "Free US Citizen"? " Golly Gee Wally, I say a person, who gets a job, that now is suddenly, REQUIRED, to put something his/her body. Is equivalent to, all Firefighters want to be lazy, and smoke !" I see your point here. But I was responding to when you said this: "I see, so a person, who is a employee, is not free." "A person" = One single US Citizen "who is a employee" = One single US Citizen that has any job of any kind. "is not free" = is incarcerated or otherwise has freedoms removed. This, to me, means any Single US Citizen that is employed is not free. Firefighters are employed - they are not free US citizens. "A job requiring certain qualification, Strength/Skill/Education/etc. Is quite different than, someone being forced to do something." They aren't being "forced". They can choose not to, as a Non-Incarcerated US Citizen and lose/leave their job. I'm not saying it is ok, I am saying that the term "forced" means, to me, no choice, or that they will be taken into custody, strapped down and given a shot. That, to me, is forced. If anything they are being coerced. Similar to saying a person who can't carry a gun at work are having their ability to defend themselves taken away. They can't use their arms, run, stab spit etc. Without a gun they can only stay stationary and be assaulted. This is wrong, they have had a choice to use a gun on that private property removed, and have had their ability to defend themselves limited or reduced. |
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