WebsterMark wrote on 06/29/21 at 10:31:48:



You should learn the difference between climate and weather.

WebsterMark wrote on 06/29/21 at 13:44:04:



No, there really is a difference between climate and weather.

You should read up on it.

I think weather is considered a daily variation.
Climate is a trend over extended time.

Serowbot wrote on 06/29/21 at 14:54:02:


Exactly.

Extended time when it comes to the Earth could be hundred million years. We have actual data for a tiny fraction of that.

So there’s high temperatures in the Northwest because the jet stream turned north and some guy on a motorcycle forum says it’s climate change.

 My experience has been that 30 years of weather data is the most widely used set to average out climate.

 When building 2 placebo models for an assessment on weather modeling and climate prediction for a section of agricultural land in CO I was informed the models would look suspicious if they were less than 30 years.  Mine were 10.

 This came from multiple sources.

WebsterMark wrote on 06/30/21 at 05:30:44:




To what end, mark?  "Big climate"?  

LOL - you mean to tell me that these climatologists have been playing the long con to finally... what?.... prove themselves right???  Were they just waiting for Elon Musk to reach adulthood so they could make billions?.....

It's funny that you don't see how you're projecting onto me, exactly what's happening to you - who do you think supports "scientific data offering evidence that the climate change claims are vastly overrated"?  If you think it's anyone but big oil, you're sorely mistaken.

The vast majority of the scientific community supports the fact that man-made global warming is the single biggest threat to mankind.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

You deniers are just wrong.  Plainly and simply wrong.

Serowbot wrote on 06/30/21 at 09:23:59:


I don’t deny the climate changes. I just pointed out again the Great Lakes were formed by retreating glaciers as the temperature shifted a very short 15,000 years ago so clearly the climate changes.

I believe gases generated by human activity could and do impact the earths climate. VOCs from the wildfires on the West Coast are detected in airborne sampling on the East Coast so certainly gases released into the atmosphere could trap heat. They could also generate many other interactions that we don’t understand yet.

I just question why scientific debate is shut down on this topic unless the premise has been agreed to before hand and that premise is a predetermined temperature increase will occur due to CO2 despite the fact temperature predictions made for the previous 20 or 30 years have not been met.

Climate change is an industry in and of itself. As I said, people make fortunes, peoples careers or made, enormous amounts of money changes hands based upon the premise I stated above. And if you disagree with the premise or offer legitimate scientific evidence to suggest otherwise, you are labeled, as my Chicago friend just did, a denier because that’s easier than considering for a moment that maybe the reason why the temp predictions have been way off is because we don’t understand the dynamics like we thought we did and perhaps we should listen to these other ideas rather than force then into the dark or end their careers.

Climate change has not displaced millions, has not created massive immigration, is not the cause of more powerful hurricanes, tornadoes or not even the cause of a condo collapse in Florida. As I’ve challenged everyone on here before, give me evidence of one thing you’ve seen in your lifetime that’s different now than 25 years ago that you can directly tie to a temperature increase of a fraction of a degree.

Climate change is a convenient reason for all  types of social engineering schemes which mostly come out of the left side of the political spectrum.

So yes I’m suspicious. Like Obama, Kerry, Biden and others, if I had the ability to buy a seafront house, I would because like them, I’m not seriously worried about the sea flooding inland.

Yeah Eegore you might have experience doing a study using millions of data points, but I've watched a YouTube video saying climate change is a hoax.

Checkmate.