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Reply #30 - 09/03/20 at 13:58:35
 
philthymike wrote on 09/03/20 at 07:04:18:
... All the rioting and madness, the same. It's all political. Has nothing to do with black people really. Then the polticization of covid19, also a rallying point for the anti-Trump mob.
All of it because of Trump's campaign threat to clear the swamp.
The left has been in a terrified panic and lashing out every way possible since.  ...  

Gee, wonder if Mpls/Wisc/Orgeon etc. would have done the same thing,
what would have happened ???????

Looks like the DFI FDS Socialists,
ALLOW the Steeling and Destruction.

And the Common Sense Adults,
allow it ONLY, ONE time.

In Scottsdale as of  July 17, 47 have been arrested. (More to come)

Below is part of a debriefing on the  May 30th, Looting & Riot !

"2020 Downtown Scottsdale Riots and Looting Event Council Debrief"
"… The Scottsdale PD never gave up the Mall property. In fact, we were present, in full force, until the interior of the Mall was swept clear by our officers and officers from other jurisdictions and the Mall was secure. After that, we still had a contingency on the Mall grounds for the following week as we dealt with intelligence that implied the Mall was still being threatened.

Against overwhelming odds, weapons pointed at Officers numerous times, the police officers, deputies and state troopers who responded, maintained their discipline, their professionalism, protected life and property and quelled a disturbance that could very well have gone on longer, creating more property damage and loss, and ended more tragically. Facing significant threats, the officers never utilized excessive force or overreacted. This is the very definition of courage!

Riots are simply uncontrolled energy masses. If you try to “push” it, it moves somewhere else with the same force. Moving the rioters would have been a huge mistake. To the east, you had the Entertainment District, where armed citizens sat on rooftops to defend their property. To the south, you had our precious Old Town, with its alley ways and crooked streets to run through and to the North, the Optima property, with its possibly flammable plants and residents. The plan was to contain the rioters to the Mall footprint, as big as it was, confront and control the energy level and allow the energy to dissipate.

We arrested persons committing serious violations on the scene that evening and have followed up with investigations in the aftermath... "


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #31 - 09/03/20 at 14:02:53
 

"Riots are simply uncontrolled energy masses. If you try to “push” it, it moves somewhere else with the same force."

 This is a really good way to describe riots.

 There's a reason in other countries the primary option is lethal force followed by individual containment/capture and "prosecution".
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Reply #32 - 09/03/20 at 14:13:35
 
Eegore wrote on 09/02/20 at 13:38:18:
... I don't agree.
 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" ...

WOW, Someone takes the money in your house/bank, takes your house/land, and takes your job,
Your not going to be angry ?

"...  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items. ..."

I believe it most certainly is.

OK, so you say it doesn't affect you,
then I am guessing you are about .0002% of the civilized nation populous.



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Reply #33 - 09/03/20 at 14:37:02
 

"WOW, Someone takes the money in your house/bank, takes your house/land, and takes your job,
Your not going to be angry ?"


 No.  The time spent being angry is useless to me, I would better spend that time gaining shelter for the night, food and water.


""...  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items. ..."
I believe it most certainly is.

OK, so you say it doesn't affect you,
then I am guessing you are about .0002% of the civilized nation populous."



 I know people besides myself that have had personal items stolen that did not get angry.  Some even laughed, so I would say anger is not universal in aspect to personal property, but very common.

 I imagine this is why so many people tell me I "should" get angry, not realizing it makes as much sense, and impact, as me saying they "shouldn't" get angry.  At the end of the day, who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope.

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Reply #34 - 09/03/20 at 15:38:08
 
Eegore wrote on 09/03/20 at 14:37:02:
...   At the end of the day, who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope.    

OK, so then no caring about, Solar fields, the 2nd, MJ being legal in CO, CDC recording a car accident death as c-19, etc. etc. etc and so on.
Good to know where you are coming from.

"...who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope..."
I believe that is the mantra of the people that want to tell someone what to do, every second, of every day.
AKA, socialists/communists




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Reply #35 - 09/03/20 at 16:05:54
 
OK, so then no caring about, Solar fields, the 2nd, MJ being legal in CO, CDC recording a car accident death as c-19, etc. etc. etc and so on.
Good to know where you are coming from.



 I'm concerned more about doing than feeling.  I may "feel" strongly about Solar fields but if I "do" nothing then why would anyone care?

 What value does my time have with someone being "angry" over Solar fields versus my time spent with people enacting transparency laws?  I' much rather spend my time preventing abuse than being angry about it.


"I believe that is the mantra of the people that want to tell someone what to do, every second, of every day.
AKA, socialists/communists"


 I am a socialist communist by your definition then since I do not care if people are angry.  I only care what they do about it.
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Reply #36 - 09/03/20 at 17:13:56
 
Eegore wrote on 09/03/20 at 16:05:54:
... I do not care if people are angry.  I only care what they do about it.

OK, so they are Angry about it, that is not, "...what they do about it..." ?  

That's like saying:
You have to Drive down the road, in 'That Truck',
to put gas in the tank of, That Truck.
Yet, That Truck, has no gas in it,
to to drive down the road to put gas in it.
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Reply #37 - 09/03/20 at 20:08:31
 
"That's like saying:
You have to Drive down the road, in 'That Truck',
to put gas in the tank of, That Truck.
Yet, That Truck, has no gas in it,
to to drive down the road to put gas in it."


 This assumes "anger" is a requirement for action, as in gas is required to make a vehicle run.

 I don't think "anger" response patterns are a requirement for reacting to loss.  I think they are common, but not universal.

 If someone has their car stolen that they like and they start a process to make finding stolen cars easier because they were "angry" I am interested in what they did to make finding cars easier.  I am not interested in if they were "angry".

 If someone has that junk truck out front stolen, and also start a process to make finding stolen cars easier, but is "happy" someone saved them the time of towing that old truck, I am interested in the process they developed, not if they were "happy".



"OK, so they are Angry about it, that is not, "...what they do about it..." ?  "

 No.  Being angry is how they feel.  They can be angry and do nothing at all.  
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Reply #38 - 09/04/20 at 10:49:59
 
I used to have real anger issues.
It occured to me one day I get angry, then I get over it..

And I asked myself
What do I win by getting angry?
If Im gonna get over it, and stop being angry, what does the anger get me?
Why experience that feeling if IN that feeling and event, I Repair nothing in my life?
If it ACCOMPLISHES nothing, then why walk in there?
Im not free of it, but IM sure as hell not like I was.

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Reply #39 - 09/04/20 at 11:23:51
 

 I was lucky enough to very briefly work with John Taffer's organization years ago.  This is the guy that does "Bar Rescue", I met him before that show was in development.

 His group discovered and developed a number of sociological/psychological  concepts in regards to human purchasing habits and social consumption of food and alcohol.  For instance experimenting with bar-stool and table heights to see how many inches of variance human eyes need to stay in a building the longest.

 One thing I remember him talking about was "Getting angry" and was basically saying to get pissed and use that to motivate change.  I imagine that's why he yells so much in his show, besides the ratings appeal.  He was the first person I knew that actually promoted and developed positive results by funneling an anger response into productive behaviors.

 So there's that.  Not my way of doing things, but I see the value in it, if one uses it appropriately but this seems rare.  

 With what is going on with the "protests" today would be an example of anger used inappropriately, and people just having fun destroying things.

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Reply #40 - 09/04/20 at 18:57:14
 
One thing I remember him talking about was "Getting angry" and was basically saying to get pissed and use that to motivate change.

Thats interesting
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Reply #41 - 09/05/20 at 04:52:28
 
Back to the topic.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJHXt1Dc3zE
How do we return from this?
I don’t think you can compare this to Civil Rights protests of the 60’s because those had a clear and legitimate foundation behind them.
These are based on some quasi-revolutionary idea that none of the $hitheads in this group could articulate if their life depended on it. I’ve been to Rochester, it’s decent sized, but not that big. Maybe a million if you add up 30 mile circle. The idea you can just go stupid on people and property with no risk of consequences has got to stop.
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Reply #42 - 09/05/20 at 11:32:12
 
[quote author=6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 ]
These are based on some quasi-revolutionary idea that none of the $hitheads in this group could articulate if their life depended on it. . [/quote]

See my post I made today about the party for socialism and liberation.
All of this crap is being orchestrated by these half baked communist organizations. They have no other motives besides anarchy for anarchys sake. It's not about black lives or systemic racism. It's not about anything except mindless violence with the goal of making the current administration look bad.
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Reply #43 - 09/05/20 at 14:44:59
 
philthymike wrote on 09/05/20 at 11:32:12:
... It's not about anything except mindless violence with the goal of making the current administration look bad.
 

Or a goal of:
"Ill Get MORE when I say Gimme Gimme, Gimme".
Louder !

A normal person raised with values and ethics, when confuted by Police.
Will Say; "Yes sir.", and do what they are told, because if the Police are in the wrong, it WILL get sorted out.

A entitled/coddled/raised with NO values or responsibility person,
will, when stopped by Police, Run, smart mouth, lie, hit/fight/call names,
Before, any thought of if the Police are wrong or right.

Kinna like the animals in the park,
A animal is used to finding their own food, by working for it.
They don't bother anybody.
A Animal, used to HAND OUTS, gets violent,
when their are less hand outs,
or they think someone will stop giving them hand outs.
Their is a reason their are;
(BIG signs saying, 'Do Not feed ...")


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Reply #44 - 09/05/20 at 17:27:29
 

"Kinna like the animals in the park,
A animal is used to finding their own food, by working for it.
They don't bother anybody.
A Animal, used to HAND OUTS, gets violent,
when their are less hand outs,
or they think someone will stop giving them hand outs."

 

 Is this a thing?

 Park animals (I assume National Park, not squirrels at a local park) are more aggressive if they aren't given food?  Do you know where I can find out more on this?
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