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Message started by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 05:01:42

Title: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 05:01:42

....survive this period in our nation’s history?

NO is becoming a stronger and stronger possibility.

In The Book of Habakkuk, the prophet repeatedly asks God how can he let this go on. How long will justice be perverted. The prophet cries out “Violence”and yet you God, do nothing”.

God’s answer to him is to sit back and be amazed. God’s solution was to send even more violence as a way to wipe the area clean, sort of rebooting.

Perhaps someone out their prayed and begged God to intervene. He heard them, remembered The Prophet Habakkuk, the solution delivered then and we’re in the middle of another rebooting.

We see the same events so differently, there’s no possibility of dialogue. Compare how our leftist Sew and Eau see things with how Jog and I see things for example. There is no common language we can speak.

I’ve told Sew for years his side will eventually win this war (and it is a war) but now I think they’ll be nothing left for the victors to claim.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 05:50:25

There must be something wrong with god as it presented to us.
For after all, the disonation of violence and god who permits it is undeniable.

If life wants anything from us, it is that we awaken from our dream state.
If we do not wake up, a war is a natural outcome.

In an insane asylum you will find people who are completely in the grip of what is going on in their heads. But that's the state in which almost everyone finds themselves.
And it is a collective phenomenon and it is not limited to religion or nationality.

It is the unconsciousness of who we really are.

We live in a universe. Everything is the one, and we can not, be excluded from it..

But if we continue to believe and remain captivated by our thoughts, we will do everything we can, to avoid realizing this oneness with god.

When you meet someone, abandon your judgment. look again.
(respeckt means; look again.)

When you see a glow in the eyes of the person in front of you....
Then you see god and the other can see god in you.
Because, who else is watching?

No further dialogue necessary. ;)

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 06:44:42

For after all, the disonation of violence and god who permits it is undeniable.

“The harshness of violence and god who permits it is undeniable”

In a limited perspective, it seems that’s is absolutely true. That begins to wane when viewed in a wider perspective.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 07:24:21

I think the widest perspective is the whole planet with everything on it. All other perspectives are of a philosophical nature and therefore not substantial or real.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 07:34:37

From that perspective then, violence is a natural attribute and necessity of life.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 07:47:34

I say that violence is unnatural and that living in the dream state is unnatural. You're not philosophizing, are you? ;)

Take the yoda cluch mod. it is not good if your clutch slips. And with a few extra plates, the clutch would function much better. Why is there never a topic written like dave does on other topics.

We are dealing with this problem in the dream state for many years now.

I mean lets get real. Everyting we know about god is slippry as crappity smack. Nobodys seen him. He allows war while he loves unconditionally. And we're all in the pang (although nobody admits it openly)

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Serowbot on 09/01/20 at 08:48:27

Raging pandemic, riots and shootings in the streets, racial discord, record heat and fires, record unemployment, millions losing healthcare, soaring debt as billionaires get richer, world leaders laugh behind the Presidents back...
.... and only Trump can fix it?...

Does Trump even know he's the President?...
This is not how it will be if Biden wins,.. this is how it is now.
Does anyone feel like things are going well with the Orange idiot in charge?...

You're right Web,.. there may be nothing left for the victors to claim... :-?

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 08:56:26

I think Trump just shows how stupit it is, if you think to much.

And it's too easy to blame him. We are all responsible for what is happening right now. (philosophically speaking)

I think the Trump administration is a waxy nose. (As the administrations before)

It is illusory to think that the precident rules America.
Those people just sit there to fill their pockets.
The fact that the country is functioning reasonable, is a remarkable phenomenon that should be studied thoroughly.

And while I'm at it. Why did you elected a dictator, when in your eyes communism is the most reprehensible of all political systems?

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 10:12:49


495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
Raging pandemic, riots and shootings in the streets, racial discord, record heat and fires, record unemployment, millions losing healthcare, soaring debt as billionaires get richer, world leaders laugh behind the Presidents back...
.... and only Trump can fix it?...

Does Trump even know he's the President?...
This is not how it will be if Biden wins,.. this is how it is now.
Does anyone feel like things are going well with the Orange idiot in charge?...

You're right Web,.. there may be nothing left for the victors to claim... :-?


That list are your perceptions, not reality. Actually, those are not even your perceptions, it’s what you’ve heard.
Yes, I feel things are better with Trump in charge. I think if Hillary had won, we would not be experiencing riots in the street but we would be worse off. I understand it’s difficult for someone like you to comprehend but it’s true.

As I heard elsewhere; if you’re asking me to choose between antifa/BLM with their burning buildings, rioting, harassing people in their cars, harassing people at restaurants and residential streets and now shooting people;  if you want me to choose between them and right wing militia’s and their vigilante actions shooting those people..... I’ll take my chances with the militia any day.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 10:37:41

I am surprised.
I thought you were looking from a whole different angle.
I thought you were a hippy in your youth with very different ideas. And that you started this topic from a kind of acquired wisdom. But now I seem to have understood you wrong.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 10:44:16


2D3221323932393225303E32570 wrote:
I am surprised.
I thought you were looking from a whole different angle.
I thought you were a hippy in your youth with very different ideas. And that you started this topic from a kind of acquired wisdom. But now I seem to have understood you wrong.

Or......you’re too blind. You’re one of those people on the street that they read quotes  attributed to Trump and people get all kinds of upset but when shown  videos that it’s actually Biden or Hillary or one of their other heroes saying those awful, evil, horrible things,....they absolutely have no idea what to do.

You clearly assume yourself to be some high-level, philosophical thinker. So dwell on this. When you thought  I was “ A young hippie” aligned with your views, I was someone with acquired wisdom. When you learned otherwise, I suddenly dropped. Question, who’s got the problem?

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 11:06:38

No. I'm pretty sure I had higher expectations. My bad.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 11:43:39

Yes, it is your bad in so many ways.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/01/20 at 13:09:25

If you see through me so well and also see through the whole left movement, why not through the right movement?

Why do you choose that. I mean if you have knowledge of the alternative how can you take sides?

It's about spirit. I heard you talk about that a while ago.


Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/20 at 13:19:56

I see the right with perfect clarity, I see their good, I see their bad with equal vision. I’m not blind.
I choose the right  side because their policies are superior to the policies of the left.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/02/20 at 01:02:14

Okay fair enuf, but this crisis is not a political crisis. And choosing a political side makes no sense if you want to solve this.
It brings more polarization.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 09/02/20 at 03:24:19

zevenenergie,
What do you propose?
Most of these problems are because of moral weakness.
We had slaves ... (but so did British and they did not have problems like we have)
Do we have to endlessly pay for that?
When the ground at Bull run, Antietam, Gettysburg were soaked with blood.
We now have Covit (the Chinese commie flu)
Might if we had not given up on Chiang Kai-shek, It would never have shown up?

I do not see the left with the moral back bone to solve these problem.
After all it was the left that fought for slavery and left let the Chinese's Nationalists high and dry.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/02/20 at 07:48:45


263F3131676724332233353D656263560 wrote:
  ... I do not see the left with the moral back bone to solve these problem.
After all it was the left that fought for slavery and left let the Chinese's Nationalists high and dry.

I would say if one asked 1,000 random looters under 40.
Who Chiang Kai-shek was, maybe, MAYBE, 1 or 2 would know, (and know about the 'Flying Tigers')
Then their would be probably 100 of them that would say he was the Chinese equivalent of Hitler,
       (confusing him with Mao Zedong)
,
who killed over 40 MILLION, that is 40 MILLION, people.  

Then I believe if one selected another 1,000 random rioters, under 40, show them the PROOF, that the Democrat party, fought FOR Slavery , from the 1840's to late 1860's. NONE, will believe any of it.

And Both those examples, (as well as MANY others) are the result of the, "Dumb'ing Down" of the school system, which is totally on purpose.

"...Knowledge is Power,
remove knowledge,
remove power..."


[ A Conversation ]
Hey let's tear down that Statue,
Gee I don't know who he/she is
  maybe we should find out first ?
Na, who cares, just tear it down.


Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/02/20 at 09:15:35


[quote author = 39202E2E78783B2C3D2C2A227A7D7C490 link = 1598961703/15 # 16 date = 1599042259] seven energy,
What do you propose?

I propose te first step:
Growing up.

We are 100% responsible for the feelings that reside in us.
Blaming another is childish.


This state of war, slavery, rape, poverty, depression, and so on, is as old as humanity.

Before you could even start to imagine how you can solve this, it is important that you think about what state you are in at this moment.

Are you preoccupied with what is happening in your country right now? Then it makes no sense to propose solutions. you have to calmdown first. The solution is not outside of you. It is in you.

The solution is to take full responsibility for the state you are in.
For example:
It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,
Taking responsibility is the first step.

You might think this is kind of talk for soft people.

But try to apply it. Then you find out that it is only for the strongest among us.



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by hotrod on 09/02/20 at 09:44:13

It's not all bad. Democrats invented that whiskey Jim Crow.  ;D

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/20 at 10:44:45

It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/02/20 at 10:53:58


495645565D565D5641545A56330 wrote:
... I propose te first step: Growing up. ...
... Blaming another is childish. ...
... The solution is to take full responsibility for the state you are in. ...
... It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry, ...
... Taking responsibility is the first step. ...  

Excellent Proposals !

So you are totally against all the Riots, Looting, Destruction, removing /rewriting history, taking money from someone who worked for it, and giving it to someone who has never worked. etc, etc, etc.
And total lack of responsibly, by the people doing those things.

Great, when do we start !

Could it be by electing someone who will do that,
because it is proven they have.
Or electing someone whom has said they will do that,
       for the last 40+ years,
and have proven they have not ?



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/02/20 at 13:38:18


"It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry."



 I don't agree.

 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" by definition.  For many the end result is depression.

 It is a choice, for me, to become attached to possessions.  It is a choice, for me, to become angry over possessions.  The same applies with people, pets etc.


Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 09/02/20 at 15:01:53


Quote:
[ A Conversation ]
Hey let's tear down that Statue,
Gee I don't know who he/she is
  maybe we should find out first ?
Na, who cares, just tear it down.


I think it is weird that those who are tearing down confederate statues seem to want a civil war.  :-?

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/20 at 20:29:23


4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:
"It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry."



 I don't agree.

 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" by definition.  For many the end result is depression.

 It is a choice, for me, to become attached to possessions.  It is a choice, for me, to become angry over possessions.  The same applies with people, pets etc.

BS. Let’s deal in reality, this is not an episode of Kung Fu. Of course you’d get angry. You better get angry.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/20 at 20:30:31

Back to my original post, will we survive? I’m watching live riot porn from DC tonight and no, I don’t think we will.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/02/20 at 21:07:28

"BS. Let’s deal in reality, this is not an episode of Kung Fu. Of course you’d get angry. You better get angry. "

 That would get me exactly nowhere.  I'm not in the habit of going nowhere in my life.  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items.  In my line of work that level of emotional reaction gets more people killed.

 Like people watching protests and getting angry.  Sitting around watching TV being mad is doing what exactly?

 

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by zevenenergie on 09/03/20 at 00:55:37


0D3F38292E3F28173B28315A0 wrote:
It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry.


No matter how extreme your example is, someone can only awaken your anger. Touch what has been dormant there for a long time.
What you do with it is entirely your responsibility.
If some one could make you angry, you would be at te mercy of that person.
No,,, you, are the one who is responsible for your being taken over by anger.


Anger is part of our survival meganism and thus has a function.

But If you are much more powerfull, I cant do much more than surender to that. In that moment.Time is on my side. You are on this forum we know you and you end up in jail. ;)


I'm not talking about suppressing anger or anything like that.I,m talking about transforming anger.

What you see happening on the news are people who are completely unaware, because anger has taken them over.
And uneawareness is contagious.

Taking responsibility for anger that resides within you, is a method of transforming anger and thus becoming free from it.

Hopefully you will never hear me say that anger is not good. Anger is extremely potent and when that energy transforms it becomes strength.


But if we use anger reactively, it becomes destructive.
If you take responsibility for it, you do not react, but respond to the situation, because you take responsibility.
And your actions will be proportional and you will know exactly how to act.

If you look at Gandhi, Nelson, Teresa and Martin, those were normal people, who transformed their anger into strength.

Take Gandi, he liberated Inda from the English occupation without violence. :o

Compare that with Donald. He only reacts with the same emotion x 3. Where do you think that will lead us to? :-/

But my intrest is not political, I am focused on becoming free from the Emotion-mind system. 8-)

Because the crisis we find ourselves in, is a spiritual crisis.
We lost ourself in emotions and thouhts. :-[

And to be very clear;
I am not talking about Christian sauces poured on anger, jealousy and sexuality. Also not for Buddhist loving attitudes ore new age escape attempts.
These are cheap solutions, that are well planned but do not work.



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/03/20 at 05:49:46

Mr Spock was a fictional character.

Watching riot-porn is educational. I hear the rioters giving reasons for their level of anger and understand it be based on lies. There is no legitimacy behind it.

Yes, Trump’s an idiot. He should have kept quiet and sent the army, not the Guard, when Portland and Seattle started to get out of control.

Now, imagining police are hunting black men down and rioting is spreading across the nation because there’s no consequences to violence and destruction, it’s become something of a game.

The kid killed in DC yesterday had posted a video online of him and some other fool brandishing pistols. And later, when he pointed it at cops because he’s heard repeatedly from fools he’s being hunted, he got killed.

So back to point, we will not get through this without massive destruction. Trump in office as it relates to this is not good, Harris/Biden would be worse.

We’re f’d. The media and leftist birthed a baby that grew up and will destroy the parents.

Yes, I’m angry. I’m pissed that Trump missed an opportunity to squash the socialism right out of the Democrats. I’m pissed the left are even stupider than Trump, which is saying a lot. The American left is the number 1 enemy to the nation and will be the cause of our downfall. Trump had a very small chance to stop it, a better chance to delay the inevitable for another generation. And I’m pissed our media choose sides and escalated, threw gas on a small flame, for ratings and popularity.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by philthymike on 09/03/20 at 07:04:18

What Trump did was he put fear into the leftists during his presidential campaign 5 years ago when he announced he planned to clear the swamp in DC and eliminate the deep state.
Everything that's happened since has been the lefts reaction to that empty threat.
The news agencies having willingly thrown their credibility out the window to discredit and slander Trump incessantly.
The democrats have also thrown their credibility out the window with the Russian debacle and the fake impeachment. Also to discredit Trump and in hopes of removing him from office.
All the rioting and madness, the same. It's all political. Has nothing to do with black people really. Then the polticization of covid19, also a rallying point for the anti-Trump mob.

All of it because of Trump's campaign threat to clear the swamp.

The left has been in a terrified panic and lashing out every way possible since.
Personally I wish Trump had kept his mouth shut and then actually worked on clearing the swamp. That would have been a smarter move.

The deep state fears losing its power. It brought all guns to bear on the person who dared to threaten to take that power away.

It's all about the power.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/03/20 at 13:58:35


6078797C6478697D797B75100 wrote:
... All the rioting and madness, the same. It's all political. Has nothing to do with black people really. Then the polticization of covid19, also a rallying point for the anti-Trump mob.
All of it because of Trump's campaign threat to clear the swamp.
The left has been in a terrified panic and lashing out every way possible since.  ...  

Gee, wonder if Mpls/Wisc/Orgeon etc. would have done the same thing,
what would have happened ???????

Looks like the DFI FDS Socialists,
ALLOW the Steeling and Destruction.

And the Common Sense Adults,
allow it ONLY, ONE time.

In Scottsdale as of  July 17, 47 have been arrested. (More to come)

Below is part of a debriefing on the  May 30th, Looting & Riot !

"2020 Downtown Scottsdale Riots and Looting Event Council Debrief"
"… The Scottsdale PD never gave up the Mall property. In fact, we were present, in full force, until the interior of the Mall was swept clear by our officers and officers from other jurisdictions and the Mall was secure. After that, we still had a contingency on the Mall grounds for the following week as we dealt with intelligence that implied the Mall was still being threatened.

Against overwhelming odds, weapons pointed at Officers numerous times, the police officers, deputies and state troopers who responded, maintained their discipline, their professionalism, protected life and property and quelled a disturbance that could very well have gone on longer, creating more property damage and loss, and ended more tragically. Facing significant threats, the officers never utilized excessive force or overreacted. This is the very definition of courage!

Riots are simply uncontrolled energy masses. If you try to “push” it, it moves somewhere else with the same force. Moving the rioters would have been a huge mistake. To the east, you had the Entertainment District, where armed citizens sat on rooftops to defend their property. To the south, you had our precious Old Town, with its alley ways and crooked streets to run through and to the North, the Optima property, with its possibly flammable plants and residents. The plan was to contain the rioters to the Mall footprint, as big as it was, confront and control the energy level and allow the energy to dissipate.

We arrested persons committing serious violations on the scene that evening and have followed up with investigations in the aftermath... "



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/03/20 at 14:02:53


"Riots are simply uncontrolled energy masses. If you try to “push” it, it moves somewhere else with the same force."

 This is a really good way to describe riots.

 There's a reason in other countries the primary option is lethal force followed by individual containment/capture and "prosecution".

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/03/20 at 14:13:35


624240485542270 wrote:
... I don't agree.
 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" ...

WOW, Someone takes the money in your house/bank, takes your house/land, and takes your job,
Your not going to be angry ?

"...  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items. ..."

I believe it most certainly is.

OK, so you say it doesn't affect you,
then I am guessing you are about .0002% of the civilized nation populous.




Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/03/20 at 14:37:02


"WOW, Someone takes the money in your house/bank, takes your house/land, and takes your job,
Your not going to be angry ?"


 No.  The time spent being angry is useless to me, I would better spend that time gaining shelter for the night, food and water.


""...  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items. ..."
I believe it most certainly is.

OK, so you say it doesn't affect you,
then I am guessing you are about .0002% of the civilized nation populous."



 I know people besides myself that have had personal items stolen that did not get angry.  Some even laughed, so I would say anger is not universal in aspect to personal property, but very common.

 I imagine this is why so many people tell me I "should" get angry, not realizing it makes as much sense, and impact, as me saying they "shouldn't" get angry.  At the end of the day, who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope.

 

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/03/20 at 15:38:08


5D7D7F776A7D180 wrote:
...   At the end of the day, who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope.    

OK, so then no caring about, Solar fields, the 2nd, MJ being legal in CO, CDC recording a car accident death as c-19, etc. etc. etc and so on.
Good to know where you are coming from.

"...who cares how we feel about things?  Nobody I hope..."
I believe that is the mantra of the people that want to tell someone what to do, every second, of every day.
AKA, socialists/communists





Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/03/20 at 16:05:54

OK, so then no caring about, Solar fields, the 2nd, MJ being legal in CO, CDC recording a car accident death as c-19, etc. etc. etc and so on.
Good to know where you are coming from.



 I'm concerned more about doing than feeling.  I may "feel" strongly about Solar fields but if I "do" nothing then why would anyone care?

 What value does my time have with someone being "angry" over Solar fields versus my time spent with people enacting transparency laws?  I' much rather spend my time preventing abuse than being angry about it.


"I believe that is the mantra of the people that want to tell someone what to do, every second, of every day.
AKA, socialists/communists"


 I am a socialist communist by your definition then since I do not care if people are angry.  I only care what they do about it.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/03/20 at 17:13:56


527270786572170 wrote:
... I do not care if people are angry.  I only care what they do about it.

OK, so they are Angry about it, that is not, "...what they do about it..." ?  

That's like saying:
You have to Drive down the road, in 'That Truck',
to put gas in the tank of, That Truck.
Yet, That Truck, has no gas in it,
to to drive down the road to put gas in it.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/03/20 at 20:08:31

"That's like saying:
You have to Drive down the road, in 'That Truck',
to put gas in the tank of, That Truck.
Yet, That Truck, has no gas in it,
to to drive down the road to put gas in it."


 This assumes "anger" is a requirement for action, as in gas is required to make a vehicle run.

 I don't think "anger" response patterns are a requirement for reacting to loss.  I think they are common, but not universal.

 If someone has their car stolen that they like and they start a process to make finding stolen cars easier because they were "angry" I am interested in what they did to make finding cars easier.  I am not interested in if they were "angry".

 If someone has that junk truck out front stolen, and also start a process to make finding stolen cars easier, but is "happy" someone saved them the time of towing that old truck, I am interested in the process they developed, not if they were "happy".



"OK, so they are Angry about it, that is not, "...what they do about it..." ?  "

 No.  Being angry is how they feel.  They can be angry and do nothing at all.  

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/20 at 10:49:59

I used to have real anger issues.
It occured to me one day I get angry, then I get over it..

And I asked myself
What do I win by getting angry?
If Im gonna get over it, and stop being angry, what does the anger get me?
Why experience that feeling if IN that feeling and event, I Repair nothing in my life?
If it ACCOMPLISHES nothing, then why walk in there?
Im not free of it, but IM sure as hell not like I was.


Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/04/20 at 11:23:51


 I was lucky enough to very briefly work with John Taffer's organization years ago.  This is the guy that does "Bar Rescue", I met him before that show was in development.

 His group discovered and developed a number of sociological/psychological  concepts in regards to human purchasing habits and social consumption of food and alcohol.  For instance experimenting with bar-stool and table heights to see how many inches of variance human eyes need to stay in a building the longest.

 One thing I remember him talking about was "Getting angry" and was basically saying to get pissed and use that to motivate change.  I imagine that's why he yells so much in his show, besides the ratings appeal.  He was the first person I knew that actually promoted and developed positive results by funneling an anger response into productive behaviors.

 So there's that.  Not my way of doing things, but I see the value in it, if one uses it appropriately but this seems rare.  

 With what is going on with the "protests" today would be an example of anger used inappropriately, and people just having fun destroying things.


Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/20 at 18:57:14

One thing I remember him talking about was "Getting angry" and was basically saying to get pissed and use that to motivate change.

Thats interesting

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/20 at 04:52:28

Back to the topic.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJHXt1Dc3zE
How do we return from this?
I don’t think you can compare this to Civil Rights protests of the 60’s because those had a clear and legitimate foundation behind them.
These are based on some quasi-revolutionary idea that none of the $hitheads in this group could articulate if their life depended on it. I’ve been to Rochester, it’s decent sized, but not that big. Maybe a million if you add up 30 mile circle. The idea you can just go stupid on people and property with no risk of consequences has got to stop.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by philthymike on 09/05/20 at 11:32:12

[quote author=6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 ]
These are based on some quasi-revolutionary idea that none of the $hitheads in this group could articulate if their life depended on it. .[/quote]

See my post I made today about the party for socialism and liberation.
All of this crap is being orchestrated by these half baked communist organizations. They have no other motives besides anarchy for anarchys sake. It's not about black lives or systemic racism. It's not about anything except mindless violence with the goal of making the current administration look bad.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/05/20 at 14:44:59


574F4E4B534F5E4A4E4C42270 wrote:
... It's not about anything except mindless violence with the goal of making the current administration look bad.
 

Or a goal of:
"Ill Get MORE when I say Gimme Gimme, Gimme".
Louder !

A normal person raised with values and ethics, when confuted by Police.
Will Say; "Yes sir.", and do what they are told, because if the Police are in the wrong, it WILL get sorted out.

A entitled/coddled/raised with NO values or responsibility person,
will, when stopped by Police, Run, smart mouth, lie, hit/fight/call names,
Before, any thought of if the Police are wrong or right.

Kinna like the animals in the park,
A animal is used to finding their own food, by working for it.
They don't bother anybody.
A Animal, used to HAND OUTS, gets violent,
when their are less hand outs,
or they think someone will stop giving them hand outs.
Their is a reason their are;
(BIG signs saying, 'Do Not feed ...")


(Oh for the tt clones, that is NOT dependent on any color skin)



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by Eegore on 09/05/20 at 17:27:29


"Kinna like the animals in the park,
A animal is used to finding their own food, by working for it.
They don't bother anybody.
A Animal, used to HAND OUTS, gets violent,
when their are less hand outs,
or they think someone will stop giving them hand outs."

 

 Is this a thing?

 Park animals (I assume National Park, not squirrels at a local park) are more aggressive if they aren't given food?  Do you know where I can find out more on this?

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/05/20 at 18:09:49


19393B332E395C0 wrote:
"...  Park animals (I assume National Park, not squirrels at a local park) are more aggressive if they aren't given food? ..."  

You are funny !

"...(I assume National Park, not squirrels at a local park)..."
Yes, big ones, Bears, Bison, Moose, etc.
Not the squirrels in the local town parks.

Although the squirrels, (AKA Muggers), in NY's Central Park,
take Money, not food !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/20 at 04:47:13


3A2223263E22332723212F4A0 wrote:
[quote author=6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 ]
These are based on some quasi-revolutionary idea that none of the $hitheads in this group could articulate if their life depended on it. .


See my post I made today about the party for socialism and liberation.
All of this crap is being orchestrated by these half baked communist organizations. They have no other motives besides anarchy for anarchys sake. It's not about black lives or systemic racism. It's not about anything except mindless violence with the goal of making the current administration look bad. [/quote]

I think there’s another force at work. Some churches near me had 13/50 stenciled on the sidewalks outside their buildings. 13/50 is supposedly a white supremacist quote that refers to the black population is only 13% but is over 50% of violent crimes. Never heard that that was a thing before. Anyway, the church pastors now are capitalizing on this saying that they will not be intimidated. That this was an attack upon them. The reality is, it’s 50-50 if this wasn’t one of their own members trying to purposely stir up trouble. It’s happened plenty of times before.

Both of these churches regularly have protest outside their buildings were members stand with black lives matters signs.

I think deep down inside they really do this because they just don’t want to stand with signs that say what they really want to say which is: “I hate Donald Trump and I hate anyone who voted for him even if you’re my neighbor.” That’s what they really want to say but they can’t. So they hop on the Black Lives Matter train and allow themselves to be exploited so they can make some king of statement.

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by philthymike on 09/08/20 at 07:57:08


50734E6D6F74737A1D0 wrote:
[i][quote author=574F4E4B534F5E4A4E4C42270 link=1598961703/30#42 date=1599330732]
Or a goal of:[b]
"Ill Get MORE when I say Gimme Gimme, Gimme".
Louder !


A entitled/coddled/raised with NO values or responsibility person,


Kinna like the animals in the park,
A animal is used to finding their own food, by working for it.


Back in the summer of 96 my GF back then and I went tubing on the Delaware River up by Point Pleasant PA. We'd done it a hundred times and knew the river there well. In Point Pleasant there's a tubing and canoeing place that rents to tourists and busses them up river but I had my own tubes. There's a spot in the river with a couple of islands. On the left of the islands the river is wide and slow but on the right side it's narrow, fast and extremely rocky. The rental place explicitly forbids its customers from going down the right side due to the obvious danger.

But not being their customers we chose the right side because it's so much freaking fun! And we knew what to expect from going before and knew how to negotiate the really bad parts.

So we're floating along and having fun when we get to the last stretch near the end of the islands where there's a huge rock smack in the middle and all the current goes right towards it.
Up on top of the rock is a young black couple with an infant waving for help. As I get closer I can see the wreckage of a canoe from the rental place stuck in the pools downstream of rocks.

I signal to my GF to head over to the island side. It's hard work but we managed to beach on the island right near the big rock with the stranded couple.

This is the time before cellphones. Nobody lives along this stretch of river. And the rental place warns people away from this side of the river. If I don't do something the people will be trapped there a very long time and the woman and baby are both crying hysterically.
Having been a licensed lifeguard I decided I could help them.

So I grab my tube and start crossing the river. It's only waist deep but the current is so strong that twice I get my legs pulled out from under me and sucked under. Each time I then had to fight upstream to get to the big rock. Eventually I make it there with a nice gash in my leg for my efforts. I calm the people down and explain I'm a lifeguard. They agree to let me help them and tell me they don't know how to swim.
I set the tube in the null pool downstream of the rock. Then me and the dude carry the woman and child down from the rock and into the tube. Next is the hard part. I instruct dude to hang onto his side of the tube and let his body drag like an anchor while I do the same from the other side. The goal is to slow the tube and keep it under control enough to steer to the shore downstream where there's a mud bank. It's only about 500 feet. So after encouraging dude we kick off the rock. We're both getting slammed into rocks and having a rough time but in less than 2 minutes I mange to get the tube and its passengers directed into calmer waters and moving to the shore.

Along the way dude yells about losing a sneaker.

But we get to the shore and get the woman and baby out of the tube and she's clearly relieved to be back on land again.

But dude isn't glad. Instead he's throwing a fit about his brand new hunerd-n-fiddy dolla sneakers. I tell them to walk down the bank a half mile and they'll be back to the rental place where they started out. The woman starts walking. But dude is now getting belligerent at me over his sneakers. He's saying it's my fault he lost one. This escalates into stupidity and then he's yelling crap like "watcha gonna do about my new sneakers you white muthafukka?" Bla bla yada ad nauseam. I'm too exhausted from fighting the river and black and blue all over with a gashed leg. I'm in no shape for a fistfight with the jackass so I get in my tube and float away. Dudes following me on the bank shouting about fukking me up and killing me and cracka, honky, racist apoplexy etc. Etc. Etc.

I think to myself the next time I see black people stuck up on that rock I'm probably better off giving them the finger as I float past.

My GF says what an ungrateful dickhead, we just saved his baby and babymama and all he cares about is stupid sneakers and that you should buy him new ones.

That's how they think....

Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by MnSpring on 09/08/20 at 08:38:26


7169686D7569786C686A64010 wrote:
 "...  My GF says what an ungrateful dickhead, we just saved his baby and babymama and all he cares about is stupid sneakers and that you should buy him new ones.  ..."

Excellent recounting of events.

There are people with Black, (Brown, Red, Yellow, White), skin,  who are upstanding, honest, ethical, educated, respectable, responsible, humans.

And there are people with Black, (Brown, Red, Yellow, White), skin,  who are, Ni-ers, Greasers,  Savages, Chink-s, AND WHITE TRASH !

But the tt clones, will Still, yell, 'Racist' ,
when the truth is told.  LOL




Title: Re: Is it possible we will.....
Post by philthymike on 09/08/20 at 09:59:27

Yeah I liked the part where I was the racist and should be killed. Nevermind the fact this retard nearly killed his family and himself out of shockingly bad judgement and sheer stupidity.

Let it be a lesson. If you save black peebles lives you'll still owe them hunerd-n-fiddy dolla sneakers.

Funny thing was I passed his sneaker further down the river where the current slowed. And it was a cheap knock-off of air jordans you can buy from a guy on the sidewalk in the city for $25.
If the guy hadn't acted like such a jackass I might grabbed it and paddled to the side and left it for him.
I just let it alone. I wonder if it eventually made it all the way to the Atlantic?

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