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Reply #15 - 09/02/20 at 01:02:14
 
Okay fair enuf, but this crisis is not a political crisis. And choosing a political side makes no sense if you want to solve this.
It brings more polarization.
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Reply #16 - 09/02/20 at 03:24:19
 
zevenenergie,
What do you propose?
Most of these problems are because of moral weakness.
We had slaves ... (but so did British and they did not have problems like we have)
Do we have to endlessly pay for that?
When the ground at Bull run, Antietam, Gettysburg were soaked with blood.
We now have Covit (the Chinese commie flu)
Might if we had not given up on Chiang Kai-shek, It would never have shown up?

I do not see the left with the moral back bone to solve these problem.
After all it was the left that fought for slavery and left let the Chinese's Nationalists high and dry.
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Reply #17 - 09/02/20 at 07:48:45
 
Matchless G11 wrote on 09/02/20 at 03:24:19:
  ... I do not see the left with the moral back bone to solve these problem.
After all it was the left that fought for slavery and left let the Chinese's Nationalists high and dry.

I would say if one asked 1,000 random looters under 40.
Who Chiang Kai-shek was, maybe, MAYBE, 1 or 2 would know, (and know about the 'Flying Tigers')
Then their would be probably 100 of them that would say he was the Chinese equivalent of Hitler,
       (confusing him with Mao Zedong)
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who killed over 40 MILLION, that is 40 MILLION, people.  

Then I believe if one selected another 1,000 random rioters, under 40, show them the PROOF, that the Democrat party, fought FOR Slavery , from the 1840's to late 1860's. NONE, will believe any of it.

And Both those examples, (as well as MANY others) are the result of the, "Dumb'ing Down" of the school system, which is totally on purpose.

"...Knowledge is Power,
remove knowledge,
remove power..."


[ A Conversation ]
Hey let's tear down that Statue,
Gee I don't know who he/she is
  maybe we should find out first ?
Na, who cares, just tear it down.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #18 - 09/02/20 at 09:15:35
 

[quote author = 39202E2E78783B2C3D2C2A227A7D7C490 link = 1598961703/15 # 16 date = 1599042259] seven energy,
What do you propose?

I propose te first step:
Growing up.

We are 100% responsible for the feelings that reside in us.
Blaming another is childish.


This state of war, slavery, rape, poverty, depression, and so on, is as old as humanity.

Before you could even start to imagine how you can solve this, it is important that you think about what state you are in at this moment.

Are you preoccupied with what is happening in your country right now? Then it makes no sense to propose solutions. you have to calmdown first. The solution is not outside of you. It is in you.

The solution is to take full responsibility for the state you are in.
For example:
It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,
Taking responsibility is the first step.

You might think this is kind of talk for soft people.

But try to apply it. Then you find out that it is only for the strongest among us.


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Reply #19 - 09/02/20 at 09:44:13
 
It's not all bad. Democrats invented that whiskey Jim Crow.  Grin
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Reply #20 - 09/02/20 at 10:44:45
 
It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry.
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Reply #21 - 09/02/20 at 10:53:58
 
zevenenergie wrote on 09/02/20 at 09:15:35:
... I propose te first step: Growing up. ...
... Blaming another is childish. ...
... The solution is to take full responsibility for the state you are in. ...
... It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry, ...
... Taking responsibility is the first step. ...  

Excellent Proposals !

So you are totally against all the Riots, Looting, Destruction, removing /rewriting history, taking money from someone who worked for it, and giving it to someone who has never worked. etc, etc, etc.
And total lack of responsibly, by the people doing those things.

Great, when do we start !

Could it be by electing someone who will do that,
because it is proven they have.
Or electing someone whom has said they will do that,
       for the last 40+ years,
and have proven they have not ?


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #22 - 09/02/20 at 13:38:18
 

"It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry."



 I don't agree.

 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" by definition.  For many the end result is depression.

 It is a choice, for me, to become attached to possessions.  It is a choice, for me, to become angry over possessions.  The same applies with people, pets etc.

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Reply #23 - 09/02/20 at 15:01:53
 
Quote:
[ A Conversation ]
Hey let's tear down that Statue,
Gee I don't know who he/she is
  maybe we should find out first ?
Na, who cares, just tear it down.



I think it is weird that those who are tearing down confederate statues seem to want a civil war.  Huh
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Reply #24 - 09/02/20 at 20:29:23
 
Eegore wrote on 09/02/20 at 13:38:18:
"It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry."



 I don't agree.

 I think one can lose everything to another person, and not be "angry" by definition.  For many the end result is depression.

 It is a choice, for me, to become attached to possessions.  It is a choice, for me, to become angry over possessions.  The same applies with people, pets etc.


BS. Let’s deal in reality, this is not an episode of Kung Fu. Of course you’d get angry. You better get angry.
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Reply #25 - 09/02/20 at 20:30:31
 
Back to my original post, will we survive? I’m watching live riot porn from DC tonight and no, I don’t think we will.
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Reply #26 - 09/02/20 at 21:07:28
 
"BS. Let’s deal in reality, this is not an episode of Kung Fu. Of course you’d get angry. You better get angry. "

 That would get me exactly nowhere.  I'm not in the habit of going nowhere in my life.  Anger is not a universal reaction to loss, especially regarding tangible items.  In my line of work that level of emotional reaction gets more people killed.

 Like people watching protests and getting angry.  Sitting around watching TV being mad is doing what exactly?

 
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Reply #27 - 09/03/20 at 00:55:37
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/02/20 at 10:44:45:
It cannot be someone else's fault that you are angry,

What nonsense is that? Yes, it can be. If I rob you and take everything you own, leaving you penniless, you better be angry.


No matter how extreme your example is, someone can only awaken your anger. Touch what has been dormant there for a long time.
What you do with it is entirely your responsibility.
If some one could make you angry, you would be at te mercy of that person.
No,,, you, are the one who is responsible for your being taken over by anger.


Anger is part of our survival meganism and thus has a function.

But If you are much more powerfull, I cant do much more than surender to that. In that moment.Time is on my side. You are on this forum we know you and you end up in jail. Wink


I'm not talking about suppressing anger or anything like that.I,m talking about transforming anger.

What you see happening on the news are people who are completely unaware, because anger has taken them over.
And uneawareness is contagious.

Taking responsibility for anger that resides within you, is a method of transforming anger and thus becoming free from it.

Hopefully you will never hear me say that anger is not good. Anger is extremely potent and when that energy transforms it becomes strength.


But if we use anger reactively, it becomes destructive.
If you take responsibility for it, you do not react, but respond to the situation, because you take responsibility.
And your actions will be proportional and you will know exactly how to act.

If you look at Gandhi, Nelson, Teresa and Martin, those were normal people, who transformed their anger into strength.

Take Gandi, he liberated Inda from the English occupation without violence. Shocked

Compare that with Donald. He only reacts with the same emotion x 3. Where do you think that will lead us to? Undecided

But my intrest is not political, I am focused on becoming free from the Emotion-mind system. Cool

Because the crisis we find ourselves in, is a spiritual crisis.
We lost ourself in emotions and thouhts. Embarrassed

And to be very clear;
I am not talking about Christian sauces poured on anger, jealousy and sexuality. Also not for Buddhist loving attitudes ore new age escape attempts.
These are cheap solutions, that are well planned but do not work.


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Reply #28 - 09/03/20 at 05:49:46
 
Mr Spock was a fictional character.

Watching riot-porn is educational. I hear the rioters giving reasons for their level of anger and understand it be based on lies. There is no legitimacy behind it.

Yes, Trump’s an idiot. He should have kept quiet and sent the army, not the Guard, when Portland and Seattle started to get out of control.

Now, imagining police are hunting black men down and rioting is spreading across the nation because there’s no consequences to violence and destruction, it’s become something of a game.

The kid killed in DC yesterday had posted a video online of him and some other fool brandishing pistols. And later, when he pointed it at cops because he’s heard repeatedly from fools he’s being hunted, he got killed.

So back to point, we will not get through this without massive destruction. Trump in office as it relates to this is not good, Harris/Biden would be worse.

We’re f’d. The media and leftist birthed a baby that grew up and will destroy the parents.

Yes, I’m angry. I’m pissed that Trump missed an opportunity to squash the socialism right out of the Democrats. I’m pissed the left are even stupider than Trump, which is saying a lot. The American left is the number 1 enemy to the nation and will be the cause of our downfall. Trump had a very small chance to stop it, a better chance to delay the inevitable for another generation. And I’m pissed our media choose sides and escalated, threw gas on a small flame, for ratings and popularity.
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Reply #29 - 09/03/20 at 07:04:18
 
What Trump did was he put fear into the leftists during his presidential campaign 5 years ago when he announced he planned to clear the swamp in DC and eliminate the deep state.
Everything that's happened since has been the lefts reaction to that empty threat.
The news agencies having willingly thrown their credibility out the window to discredit and slander Trump incessantly.
The democrats have also thrown their credibility out the window with the Russian debacle and the fake impeachment. Also to discredit Trump and in hopes of removing him from office.
All the rioting and madness, the same. It's all political. Has nothing to do with black people really. Then the polticization of covid19, also a rallying point for the anti-Trump mob.

All of it because of Trump's campaign threat to clear the swamp.

The left has been in a terrified panic and lashing out every way possible since.
Personally I wish Trump had kept his mouth shut and then actually worked on clearing the swamp. That would have been a smarter move.

The deep state fears losing its power. It brought all guns to bear on the person who dared to threaten to take that power away.

It's all about the power.
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