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Re: I'll vote dew
Reply #45 - 07/07/20 at 14:34:45
 
Eegore wrote on 07/05/20 at 23:20:30:
"... because everyone knows they reduce the chance of - ... " 

Several Countries that have a VERY significant number of people that have wore a full face mask, long before C-19, have much more deaths, (by per 100,000) than the US.

If, ‘masks’, work so well, those Countries should have much lower death rates.

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Reply #46 - 07/07/20 at 16:15:44
 
"If, ‘masks’, work so well, those Countries should have much lower death rates."


 If you choose ignore general hygiene and availability + quality of care.  Also we know mortality rate calculations are skewed. 

 Masks reduce the amount of spit you project into the atmosphere around you.  Of course every surgeon in the world could be wrong.
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Reply #47 - 07/07/20 at 17:12:38
 
Eegore wrote on 07/07/20 at 16:15:44:
"If, ‘masks’, work so well, those Countries should have much lower death rates."


 [color=#ff00ff][color=#ff00ff]If you choose ignore general hygiene and availability + quality of care.  Also we know mortality rate calculations are skewed.[/color][/color] 

 Masks reduce the amount of spit you project into the atmosphere around you.  Of course every surgeon in the world could be wrong.




Oh wow, now you want to consider all that crap ...
Yet dont even reference percapita, or per population density or actual isolation (5000 peoppe in a Central heat/air apartment = 5000 are exposed) ...
Garbage argument bro, you should have started on the indexed to these factors at the begining ... Its just too late now, that train has left and you aint on it.

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Reply #48 - 07/07/20 at 18:31:09
 

"Oh wow, now you want to consider all that crap …"

 I always have.

 I'm not the one saying masks do not reduce spit released into the atmosphere and using other countries mortality rates to somehow say material over a mouth won't collect some of that spit.

 MnSpring is attempting to indicate that mortality rates are equal in all aspects, except masks.

 I am saying fabric over a mouth reduces spit in the atmosphere.
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Reply #49 - 07/08/20 at 05:46:42
 
Eegore wrote on 07/07/20 at 18:31:09:
"Oh wow, now you want to consider all that crap …"

 I always have.

 




You have not, you have parroted the non indexed to population not to mention density and are still parroting those - agreed they're gathered and released by other agencies, and its much easier to count all of it than to tie back to population or density or even intangibles like hygeine - but simple per capita numbers you have chosen to ignore.

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Reply #50 - 07/08/20 at 20:22:33
 
"but simple per capita numbers you have chosen to ignore."

 So you are saying when I presented my data I considered 10 cases in Denver, a city of millions, to be the same as Walsenburg a city of a few thousand?  This would be a very inaccurate assessment of how I calculate numbers.

 What I am saying is cloth over a mouth reduces spit in the atmosphere.  MnSpring is saying that can't be true because other countries wear masks in abundance and don't have a reduced mortality rate.  But that logic assumes all other aspects are equal.  They are not.

 Spin it any way you want, but up until now it was accepted that fabric over a human mouth reduced spit released into the atmosphere around that human.  But now all the sudden every operating room in the world was wrong.  Every parent that said "cover your mouth" was wrong to assume putting something in front of the mouth reduces objects coming from that mouth.

 How could we all be wrong for so long and the truth exist only here in a motorcycle forum?
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Reply #51 - 07/08/20 at 21:04:02
 
Eegore wrote on 07/08/20 at 20:22:33:
  ... MnSpring is saying that can't be true because other countries wear masks in abundance and don't have a reduced mortality rate.  

If you can only argue by putting words in someone else's posts.
Go for it !
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Reply #52 - 07/08/20 at 21:16:23
 

"If you can only argue by putting words in someone else's posts.
Go for it !"



 You mean to say you didn't mean other countries should have lower death rates when you wrote:

""If, ‘masks’, work so well, those Countries should have much lower death rates.""



 That, to me, means other countries should have lower mortality rates based off mask wearing percentage.  Unfortunately other factors, like reporting, care, availability of care, etc. also factor in.  To say masks alone should lower mortality rates would have to mean all other factors are either excluded, or are identical.

 I am saying masks reduce, specifically and only the term "reduce" with the exclusion of all other words, the amount of spit you project around you.
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Reply #53 - 07/09/20 at 08:42:39
 
Yeahh,, when gunshots get counted as CV,, a mask problee wasnt gonna save that guy,,
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Reply #54 - 07/09/20 at 09:19:34
 
Just stop the triviality for moment and think,.. you do cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze don't you?...
It's truly ridiculous that this is being argued at all.
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Reply #55 - 07/09/20 at 15:42:35
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/09/20 at 09:19:34:
... It's truly ridiculous that this is being argued...

99.98% of people, do, cough/etc into a arm.
I’t NOT about that,
you and eegore KNOW that.

It is about Socialism lovers,
Demanding everyone wear a mask.
When they are relying on Lies !

And the real goal is to see how many Sheopal, one dog can herd.

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Reply #56 - 07/09/20 at 15:57:08
 

"Yeahh,, when gunshots get counted as CV,, a mask problee wasnt gonna save that guy,, "


 You not wearing a mask wouldn't either.  See how that makes no sense when I say it too?


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Reply #57 - 07/09/20 at 16:09:20
 
"99.98% of people, do, cough/etc into a arm.
I’t NOT about that,
you and eegore KNOW that.



 It is exactly about that.

 JoG claims he can tell if he is sick with SARS-COV-2, while also acknowledging that asymptomatic humans exist.  Somehow he has the unique ability to be exempt from asymptomatic contagion periods without his knowledge while no other known human can.

 So JoG not wanting to be a Sheepole will not wear a mask justifying it by saying he can somehow tell if he is "sick", and his additional argument is that since the mask doesn't "make a seal" it wouldn't do any good anyway.  Every medical professional, parent with kids, or person who ever covered their mouth to sneeze would disagree.

 Cloth over the mouth reduces the spit one puts into the atmosphere.

 JoG can not tell if he is an asymptomatic carrier of SARS-COV-2.

 SARS-COV-2 is spread through droplets.




It is about Socialism lovers,
Demanding everyone wear a mask.
When they are relying on Lies !"


 
 I agree that numbers, wherever you choose to get them are going to have huge discrepancies and people/organizations will mislead.  However that doesn't change that if a disease is spread through droplets, and you put a cloth over your mouth, you reduce the spread of that disease.

 That's it.  Stop trying to make the very obvious science behind the virus wrong, let alone the commons sense of covering your mouth, and address that forced masks is bad policy.
 
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Reply #58 - 07/10/20 at 07:28:05
 
Eegore wrote on 07/09/20 at 16:09:20:
... I agree that numbers, wherever you choose to get them are going to have huge discrepancies and people/organizations will mislead ...    

Comments on all other statements, except:
“And the real goal is to see how many Sheopal, one dog can herd”

Yes c-19 is real, yet it Much Less, ‘bad’, than many others that have occurred.
Just the, ‘perfect storm/time’, to KILL the vastly successful economy, and do anything that can be done to  discredit a person.
The Socialist wannabes, are just wetting their pants over this opportunity.

And the fact remains:
The real goal is to see how many Sheopal, one dog can herd.

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Reply #59 - 07/10/20 at 08:20:55
 

"Comments on all other statements, except:
“And the real goal is to see how many Sheopal, one dog can herd”


 I don't agree.  I think masks are capable of reducing the amount of spit you project into the atmosphere around you, and we know, it is proven fact that SARS-COV-2 is spread at a minimum, by droplets.

 Masks reduce droplets.  Stop saying masks don't work because of Socialists.  Bad policy is different than biological science.  Masks can still work, and Socialist policy can still be bad.



"Yes c-19 is real, yet it Much Less, ‘bad’, than many others that have occurred."

 I don't agree when we take into account "recent" as in within the past 100 years, contagions on US soil regarding infection rate speed and percentage.  SARS-COV-2 has created an influx of patients needing specialized care in medical care centers considerably higher than any other virus.  I've seen these places, I've been inside them.

 If all this is fake, why are all those people inside hospitals?

 They, no matter what you may think, are not clogging up ICU space because they went to the ED with a paper cut.  You do not put paper cuts on ventilators or other specialized care.
 
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