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Reply #15 - 03/03/20 at 00:42:08

RocketScienceSmurf wrote on 03/02/20 at 23:03:43:

Great info from everyone. Thank you all.

Is it possible from this picture to tell if I have the torque limiter or not? The bike supposedly is a -94 but it is a 5 speed engine and I can't say for certain if the engine is the original one or if it has been replaced. By bike seem to have lived a turbulent and hard life.

I've never seen that 3 row gear before. And I have never opened up that part of a 5 speed before. The 4 speeds didn't have that gear, but 94 ? manufacture date or titled as a 94 ? And is this a US bike ?
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Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"?
Reply #16 - 03/03/20 at 00:56:50

The bike is from Germany and was imported to Sweden in 2000. The frame has NP41B stamped to it.

The "DMV-records" has a note stating that the year of manufacturing specified to 1994 is a guess since there were no actual records so the frame itself can be from 1994 or 1995 or perhaps even earlier.

I emailed Suzuki in Japan and asked about when my bike was manufactured but they answered that they couldn't say but that the frame number indicated it's a 1994 model.

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srinath Serious Thumper Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5349	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"? Reply #17 - 03/03/20 at 01:03:29 Someone who knows a 95 starter side parts better would be better than me to answer your question. But that is not what a 86-87 set looks like. Cool. Srinath.
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RocketScienceSmurf Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 268 Sweden Gender:	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"? Reply #18 - 03/03/20 at 01:10:12 This thread suggests that my engine is either -96 or newer OR that someone before me has added the torque limiter http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1288911670
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srinath Serious Thumper Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5349	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"? Reply #19 - 03/03/20 at 01:27:22 I am learning a lot reading those threads. Thanks man. Cool. Srinath.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain Reply #20 - 03/03/20 at 07:16:31 That's a torque limiter gear. Frame numbers aren't the same as engine numbers. You can compare your engine number with the range given for year, although we don't have many in between years. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1240553196
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Reply #21 - 03/03/20 at 07:56:52

I had a question for you Vers.
Does the back fire and blow the non limiter style one situation happen more when you use the kill switch to shut off the engine vs using the key to turn it off ?
I have never come close to this problem that I know of and I never use the kill switch. Both the busted ones from bought busted, no idea if those guys did like I do or use the kill switch.
That's why I'm asking.
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Reply #22 - 03/03/20 at 07:57:03

Ruttly is correct the inti-kickback gear was introduced in the 96 models,(but if I owned a 96 I'd check ,they may not have installed them until mid year) . As owner of a 95 from new ,and never installing the newer gear ,I 've found there are ways to avoid damage . You can run the bike slightly rich, you can pull the choke out or rev the motor, before hitting the kill switch when shutting the bike off. I prefer the fist way .and haven't had a problem , running lean is what causes the kickback ,

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Reply #23 - 03/03/20 at 08:17:34

batman wrote on 03/03/20 at 07:57:03:

Ruttly is correct the inti-kickback gear was introduced in the 96 models,(but if I owned a 96 I'd check ,they may not have installed them until mid year) . As owner of a 95 from new ,and never installing the newer gear ,I 've found there are ways to avoid damage . You can run the bike slightly rich, you can pull the choke out or rev the motor, before hitting the kill switch when shutting the bike off. I prefer the fist way .and haven't had a problem , running lean is what causes the kickback ,

Yea mine are always tuned to rich - nice benefit, thanks.
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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"? Reply #24 - 03/03/20 at 22:06:00 The other benefit is the bike runs cooler, if you run too rich you can foul the plug (it can be cleaned and reused) , if you run to lean the bike will run hot and you could burn the valves , which would you prefer?
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Reply #25 - 03/04/20 at 07:07:39

I'm buying a 3 row idler from a 95 (thanks Stewmills), that looks exactly like the picture by vers.
Is the outer case cover of a 95 also needed ?
I have a good left case in my 86 - but I'd rather not drill alternate location hole, I currently don't have the precision equipment to do any better than a 1/2 a$$$ed job.

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Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"?
Reply #26 - 03/04/20 at 07:52:46

srinath wrote on 03/04/20 at 07:07:39:

I'm buying a 3 row idler from a 95 (thanks Stewmills), that looks exactly like the picture by vers.
Is the outer case cover of a 95 also needed ?
I have a good left case in my 86 - but I'd rather not drill alternate location hole, I currently don't have the precision equipment to do any better than a 1/2 a$$$ed job.

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Yes you need a cover from a 95 or later engine.
Or have the boss cut a half inch deeper.

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Reply #27 - 03/04/20 at 08:12:18

verslagen1 wrote on 03/04/20 at 07:52:46:

srinath wrote on 03/04/20 at 07:07:39:

I'm buying a 3 row idler from a 95 (thanks Stewmills), that looks exactly like the picture by vers.
Is the outer case cover of a 95 also needed ?
I have a good left case in my 86 - but I'd rather not drill alternate location hole, I currently don't have the precision equipment to do any better than a 1/2 a$$$ed job.

Thanks.
Srinath.

Yes you need a cover from a 95 or later engine.
Or have the boss cut a half inch deeper.

You mean drill that hole in the 86's case deeper ? Not drill a new hole somewhere else ?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain Reply #28 - 03/04/20 at 08:18:45 dvansyck wrote on 01/15/11 at 18:15:52: Yes you can make the case cover work with the larger gear. This case is from a 1986 savage. I took out about 1/2 inch of material and drilled out the hole, slowly. I kept checking the fit and making sure the gear wouldn't bind and everything would turn freely.
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srinath Serious Thumper Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5349	Re: Weakest link in the "starter chain"? Reply #29 - 03/04/20 at 08:58:24 I'm unable to open these 2 pics while at work. Is it a brand new hole or is it deepening an existing hole ? Or making it larger ? Thanks. Srinath.
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