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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28755 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no right to vote Reply #15 - 05/28/19 at 10:09:17 So when the states refused to submit their lists, it was an illegal action?
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: no right to vote Reply #16 - 05/28/19 at 10:31:13 verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 10:09:17: So when the states refused to submit their lists, it was an illegal action? No. From what I can see, it's their call, not trump's team of idiots.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28755 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no right to vote Reply #17 - 05/28/19 at 10:43:57 So they did commit an act of obstruction, or are you being obtuse again.
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Reply #18 - 05/28/19 at 11:02:29

verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 10:43:57:

So they did commit an act of obstruction, or are you being obtuse again.

My, so witty.

No, vers, they're not obstructing. If you look at the list, nearly every state lists the voter registration records as being public. There are restrictions on certain personal info - as there should be.

I could make a whole comment about how that investigation was just an ego stroke gone wrong, but meh... what's the point. You and your con buddies will just make up another excuse/justification.

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Reply #19 - 05/28/19 at 12:08:39

T And T Garage wrote on 05/28/19 at 11:02:29:

My, so witty.

No, vers, they're not obstructing. If you look at the list, nearly every state lists the voter registration records as being public. There are restrictions on certain personal info - as there should be.

I could make a whole comment about how that investigation was just an ego stroke gone wrong, but meh... what's the point. You and your con buddies will just make up another excuse/justification.

So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump.
No information was ever sent.

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Reply #20 - 05/28/19 at 12:30:51

verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 12:08:39:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/28/19 at 11:02:29:

My, so witty.

No, vers, they're not obstructing. If you look at the list, nearly every state lists the voter registration records as being public. There are restrictions on certain personal info - as there should be.

I could make a whole comment about how that investigation was just an ego stroke gone wrong, but meh... what's the point. You and your con buddies will just make up another excuse/justification.

So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump.
No information was ever sent.

If that spin makes you happy, then so be it. Cheesy

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Reply #21 - 05/28/19 at 22:42:26

verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 09:24:48:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/28/19 at 08:19:38:

verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 07:07:35:

Serowbot wrote on 05/24/19 at 15:55:48:

Contrary to popular Rightwingut belief,... there weren't millions of non-citizens voting in the last election...
...(not even dozens)... Roll Eyes

There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we?

"Obstruction"? Really? Didn't trump put together an entire team to investigate the "fraud"? They found nothing.

The obstruction you mention is indeed fake news.

List all the states that submitter voter registration data or their voter vetting process.

you do know that voter REGISTRATION is completely different from actually voting right?

or do you mean lists like Texas had that had 95,000 undocumented registered voters on it..... oh, oh, wait, that list was proven to be 99% pure BULL SH!T!

https://www.courthousenews.com/texas-secretary-of-state-resigns-after-voting-...

or that crosscheck list that the Trump administration based the whole voter commission on that couldn't understand it takes awhile for the lists to clean themselves out after people you know, MOVE! which I believe we are still allowed to do in the USA right? or do we have to start showing our papers at the borders of all the states now???

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Reply #22 - 05/28/19 at 23:11:05

verslagen1 wrote on 05/28/19 at 12:08:39:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/28/19 at 11:02:29:

My, so witty.

No, vers, they're not obstructing. If you look at the list, nearly every state lists the voter registration records as being public. There are restrictions on certain personal info - as there should be.

I could make a whole comment about how that investigation was just an ego stroke gone wrong, but meh... what's the point. You and your con buddies will just make up another excuse/justification.

So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump.
No information was ever sent.

um, no. they didn't provide PRIVATE information to the Trump commission.

Forty-four states and DC have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission

The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas.
The vice chairman's letter twice requests only "public" voter information, and Kobach clarified the specifics of his request Friday: "Every state receives the same letter, but we're not asking for it if it's not publicly available," he told The Kansas City Star.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/kris-kobach-letter-voter-fraud-commis...

oh, and if it's publicly accessible.... why aren't they just getting it? too lazy? need someone to do the work for them... ??

and since voting is RUN by the STATES, that is a 10th amendment issue, the STATES get to decide how they clear THEIR voter registration lists and the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks... unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him... don't think that hasn't crossed his mind...

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Reply #23 - 05/29/19 at 07:52:19

LostArtist wrote on 05/28/19 at 23:11:05:

and since voting is RUN by the STATES
the STATES get to decide how they clear THEIR voter registration lists

Correct that is why some States just require a 'tick' on a box saying,
"are you a Citizen of the USA", and require NO PROOF

the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks...

Nop, Nop, Nop, not even remotely close. Mandatory Background checks are the Fed law. States can make laws that are added to Fed law, but not reduce them.

unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him...

That is called, Socialism.
It is what the UL, FDS's are in favor of.
Trump is NOT in favor of that !!!!!

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Reply #24 - 05/29/19 at 08:20:06

MnSpring wrote on 05/29/19 at 07:52:19:

LostArtist wrote on 05/28/19 at 23:11:05:

and since voting is RUN by the STATES
the STATES get to decide how they clear THEIR voter registration lists

Correct that is why some States just require a 'tick' on a box saying,
"are you a Citizen of the USA", and require NO PROOF

the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks...

Nop, Nop, Nop, not even remotely close. Mandatory Background checks are the Fed law. States can make laws that are added to Fed law, but not reduce them.

"Nop"? LOL seriously? Grin

unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him...

That is called, Socialism.
It is what the UL, FDS's are in favor of.
Trump is NOT in favor of that !!!!!

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Reply #25 - 05/29/19 at 08:37:56

LostArtist wrote on 05/28/19 at 23:11:05:

Forty-four states and DC have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission

The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas.
The vice chairman's letter twice requests only "public" voter information, and Kobach clarified the specifics of his request Friday: "Every state receives the same letter, but we're not asking for it if it's not publicly available," he told The Kansas City Star.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/kris-kobach-letter-voter-fraud-commis...

So you have it on record that 44 states declined to send public info to the commission and that's not obstruction?

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28367 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: no right to vote Reply #26 - 05/29/19 at 09:12:16 Our votes are anonymous for a reason,.. and states go to a lot of trouble to protect out identities... For a partizan commission to try to get around that, is unconstitutional. 44 states are standing in defiance in order to protect the American people. Good for them. Trump wants America to be king
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Reply #27 - 05/29/19 at 09:20:06

Very interesting reading the responses.

Didn’t see ANY, that described their vetting process.

Perhaps questions to ask:
How does your State verify the information on a voter registration form ?
What requirements do you require to, Prove, you are a Citizen of the USA ?
What, red flags, are attached to a ‘voter registration form’,
(like someone 35 years old voting for the first time, and having no history or trail of any kind whatsoever, of being in the US before)

Point is, Fill out a form, tick a box, and you get to vote !
NO Requirement/Vetting of being a Citizen.

YET, one has to PROVE, one is NOT, a Citizen to not be on a Jury.
One has to PROVE, Age to buy booze.
(And the list goes ON !)

And Who, is pushing the, ‘get a D.L. and automatically be registered to vote” ?

(An oh, NO ONE is asking for 'how one voted')

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Reply #28 - 05/29/19 at 09:30:13

verslagen1 wrote on 05/29/19 at 08:37:56:

LostArtist wrote on 05/28/19 at 23:11:05:

Forty-four states and DC have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission

The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas.
The vice chairman's letter twice requests only "public" voter information, and Kobach clarified the specifics of his request Friday: "Every state receives the same letter, but we're not asking for it if it's not publicly available," he told The Kansas City Star.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/kris-kobach-letter-voter-fraud-commis...

So you have it on record that 44 states declined to send public info to the commission and that's not obstruction?

SMH - ok vers, you win.

Every single election that the country has ever had is now null and void....

Happy??

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Reply #29 - 05/29/19 at 09:31:06

Serowbot wrote on 05/29/19 at 09:12:16:

Our votes are anonymous for a reason,.. and states go to a lot of trouble to protect out identities...
For a partizan commission to try to get around that, is unconstitutional.
44 states are standing in defiance in order to protect the American people.
Good for them.

Trump wants America to be king

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Cal. Elections Code §2184 et seq., §2194, §2166, §2166.5, §2166.7

Cal. Government Code § 6254.4

Candidates, parties, ballot measure committees, and to any person for election, scholarly, journalistic, or political purposes, or for governmental purposes, as determined by the Secretary of State. All voter information is confidential except for those listed above that may request lists.

Name, address, telephone number, political party preference.

DL number, SSN, any other unique identifier, signature.

Non-commercial purposes.

Specifically prohibited uses include: harassment of any voter or voter's household; advertising, solicitation, sale, or marketing of products or services to any voter or voter's household; or reproduction in print, broadcast visual or audio, or display on the Internet or any computer terminal, except for the authorized purposes described above.

ACP participants; public safety officers; a reproductive health care service provider, employee, volunteer, or patient; a person with a life-threatening circumstance.

Doesn't look anonymous to me, no one knows how anyone votes. The info requested was public info yet denied to a government commission, partisan or not.

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