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Title: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/24/19 at 09:58:43 Contrary to popular belief, there is not an affirmative right to vote in the U.S. Constitution While the U.S. Constitution bans the restriction of voting based on race, sex and age, it does not explicitly and affirmatively state that all U.S. citizens have a right to vote. The Supreme Court ruled in Bush v. Gore in 2000 that citizens do not have the right to vote for electors for president. States control voting policies and procedures, and as a result, we have a patchwork of inconsistent voting rules run independently by 50 states, 3,067 counties and over 13,000 voting districts, all separate and unequal. https://www.fairvote.org/right_to_vote_amendment |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Eegore on 05/24/19 at 10:15:49 The number of people that refuse to accept this is astounding to me. All the time I hear "Its me Constitutional right!" yet can provide zero evidence. The problem I have with the current proposal is the broad spectrum that "shall have the fundamental right to vote in any public election held in the jurisdiction in which the citizen resides." causes issue with people currently incarcerated. Do they reside where they are incarcerated like Texas, even if they committed a crime in Florida and lived in Maine? I still feel that if you should be a free citizen to vote. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/74/text |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/24/19 at 10:49:46 624240485542270 wrote:
Please describe, 'citizen'. Would that be a, citizen' of the Country of Mexico, who is allowed to Vote in a USA election? Or would that be a, 'citizen', of the Country of the USA, Allowed to vote in a Country of Mexico election. Or would that be a, 'citizen', of the USA, that is allowed to vote in a election, in the USA ? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Eegore on 05/24/19 at 11:13:23 For me it should me US citizen. For the proposed legislation it does not clarify. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/24/19 at 11:21:38 1434363E2334510 wrote:
And among the, (UL FDS Socialists) people sponsoring that bill is, Ellison Anyone think, their is a Reason, '...proposed legislation it does not clarify..." ????????? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Eegore on 05/24/19 at 11:51:39 "Anyone think, their is a Reason, '...proposed legislation it does not clarify..." ?????????" Because of the second section that would allow for specifics to be implemented and enforced. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/24/19 at 12:12:32 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
it's for an amendment to the US Constitution... not he Russian constitution... or the French, or the Nigerian... wtf people |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by pg on 05/24/19 at 13:38:45 Hey Lost, I thought you said you didn't approve of the tall table and wanted to disband it. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/24/19 at 15:49:32 6C4F5354615254495354200 wrote:
So interesting that, YOUR, 'right to vote' says: 'Will non-citizens and 16-year-olds be able to vote? Under this amendment the decision about expanding the franchise to non-citizens and 16- and 17-year-olds would remain within states’ jurisdiction" And that, YOUR spokes person, was ELECTED, on NON Citizens Voting !. https://www.fairvote.org/right_to_vote_amendment |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Serowbot on 05/24/19 at 15:55:48 Contrary to popular Rightwingut belief,... there weren't millions of non-citizens voting in the last election... ...(not even dozens)... ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/19 at 07:07:35 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/28/19 at 08:19:38 213225243B3630323966570 wrote:
There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we?[/quote] "Obstruction"? Really? Didn't trump put together an entire team to investigate the "fraud"? They found nothing. The obstruction you mention is indeed fake news. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/28/19 at 09:20:07 6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:
Do you drive a car ? Ever gone over the speed limit ? So believing you, then YOU, go to the police station and say: 'Give me a ticket, because I was speeding". Rather the same thing with the investigation. It was stalled, because their was NO, AG or Election official that would 'tell on', themselves. Many States, MANY. Just tick a box on a computer or a piece of paper, and you Never have to, PROVE, your Citizenship. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/19 at 09:24:48 6C727D7C716C776A180 wrote:
There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we?[/quote] "Obstruction"? Really? Didn't trump put together an entire team to investigate the "fraud"? They found nothing. The obstruction you mention is indeed fake news.[/quote] List all the states that submitter voter registration data or their voter vetting process. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/28/19 at 09:34:18 607364657A7771737827160 wrote:
There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we?[/quote] "Obstruction"? Really? Didn't trump put together an entire team to investigate the "fraud"? They found nothing. The obstruction you mention is indeed fake news.[/quote] List all the states that submitter voter registration data or their voter vetting process.[/quote] Here you go: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/access-to-and-use-of-voter-registration-lists.aspx |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/19 at 10:09:17 So when the states refused to submit their lists, it was an illegal action? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/28/19 at 10:31:13 607364657A7771737827160 wrote:
No. From what I can see, it's their call, not trump's team of idiots. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/19 at 10:43:57 So they did commit an act of obstruction, or are you being obtuse again. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/28/19 at 11:02:29 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
My, so witty. No, vers, they're not obstructing. If you look at the list, nearly every state lists the voter registration records as being public. There are restrictions on certain personal info - as there should be. I could make a whole comment about how that investigation was just an ego stroke gone wrong, but meh... what's the point. You and your con buddies will just make up another excuse/justification. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/19 at 12:08:39 3B252A2B263B203D4F0 wrote:
So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump. No information was ever sent. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/28/19 at 12:30:51 657661607F7274767D22130 wrote:
So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump. No information was ever sent.[/quote] If that spin makes you happy, then so be it. :D |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/28/19 at 22:42:26 667562637C7177757E21100 wrote:
There's evidence out there to contest your 'dozens' belief, but with your democrats obstruction, we'll never know will we?[/quote] "Obstruction"? Really? Didn't trump put together an entire team to investigate the "fraud"? They found nothing. The obstruction you mention is indeed fake news.[/quote] List all the states that submitter voter registration data or their voter vetting process.[/quote] you do know that voter REGISTRATION is completely different from actually voting right? or do you mean lists like Texas had that had 95,000 undocumented registered voters on it..... oh, oh, wait, that list was proven to be 99% pure BULL SH!T! https://www.courthousenews.com/texas-secretary-of-state-resigns-after-voting-list-fiasco/ or that crosscheck list that the Trump administration based the whole voter commission on that couldn't understand it takes awhile for the lists to clean themselves out after people you know, MOVE! which I believe we are still allowed to do in the USA right? or do we have to start showing our papers at the borders of all the states now??? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/28/19 at 23:11:05 4E5D4A4B54595F5D5609380 wrote:
So just another excuse as to why they are obstructing an investigation without cause other than it's backed by trump. No information was ever sent.[/quote] um, no. they didn't provide PRIVATE information to the Trump commission. Forty-four states and DC have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas. The vice chairman's letter twice requests only "public" voter information, and Kobach clarified the specifics of his request Friday: "Every state receives the same letter, but we're not asking for it if it's not publicly available," he told The Kansas City Star. https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/kris-kobach-letter-voter-fraud-commission-information/index.html oh, and if it's publicly accessible.... why aren't they just getting it? too lazy? need someone to do the work for them... ?? and since voting is RUN by the STATES, that is a 10th amendment issue, the STATES get to decide how they clear THEIR voter registration lists and the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks... unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him... don't think that hasn't crossed his mind... |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/29/19 at 07:52:19 14372B2C192A2C312B2C580 wrote:
Correct that is why some States just require a 'tick' on a box saying, "are you a Citizen of the USA", and require NO PROOF the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks... Nop, Nop, Nop, not even remotely close. Mandatory Background checks are the Fed law. States can make laws that are added to Fed law, but not reduce them. unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him... That is called, Socialism. It is what the UL, FDS's are in favor of. Trump is NOT in favor of that !!!!! |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/29/19 at 08:20:06 7A596447455E5950370 wrote:
Correct that is why some States just require a 'tick' on a box saying, "are you a Citizen of the USA", and require NO PROOF the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks... Nop, Nop, Nop, not even remotely close. Mandatory Background checks are the Fed law. States can make laws that are added to Fed law, but not reduce them. "Nop"? LOL seriously? ;D unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him... That is called, Socialism. It is what the UL, FDS's are in favor of. Trump is NOT in favor of that !!!!![/quote] |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/19 at 08:37:56 53706C6B5E6D6B766C6B1F0 wrote:
So you have it on record that 44 states declined to send public info to the commission and that's not obstruction? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Serowbot on 05/29/19 at 09:12:16 Our votes are anonymous for a reason,.. and states go to a lot of trouble to protect out identities... For a partizan commission to try to get around that, is unconstitutional. 44 states are standing in defiance in order to protect the American people. Good for them. Trump wants America to be king |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/29/19 at 09:20:06 Very interesting reading the responses. Didn’t see ANY, that described their vetting process. Perhaps questions to ask: How does your State verify the information on a voter registration form ? What requirements do you require to, Prove, you are a Citizen of the USA ? What, red flags, are attached to a ‘voter registration form’, (like someone 35 years old voting for the first time, and having no history or trail of any kind whatsoever, of being in the US before) Point is, Fill out a form, tick a box, and you get to vote ! NO Requirement/Vetting of being a Citizen. YET, one has to PROVE, one is NOT, a Citizen to not be on a Jury. One has to PROVE, Age to buy booze. (And the list goes ON !) And Who, is pushing the, ‘get a D.L. and automatically be registered to vote” ? (An oh, NO ONE is asking for 'how one voted') |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/29/19 at 09:30:13 4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 wrote:
So you have it on record that 44 states declined to send public info to the commission and that's not obstruction?[/quote] SMH - ok vers, you win. Every single election that the country has ever had is now null and void.... Happy?? ;D |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/19 at 09:31:06 3127302D35202D36420 wrote:
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Doesn't look anonymous to me, no one knows how anyone votes. The info requested was public info yet denied to a government commission, partisan or not. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/19 at 13:02:44 Having read the constitution, I don't see where abortion is spoken to. Yet, lefties contend it's as much a Right as speaking, which is reserved for those of us who weren't aborted. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Serowbot on 05/29/19 at 13:16:45 Three Constitutional Basics Every Abortion Rights Supporter Should Know https://rewire.news/article/2016/06/17/three-constitutional-basics-every-abortion-rights-supporter-know/ |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/19 at 13:50:05 Even Hillary admitted that only because the language of the constitution explains citizenship, and thusly, constitutional rights is limited to those people who are Born or naturalized.... The constitution makes no mention of abortion. Somehow it is supposed to a big deal that voting isn't mentioned, when it was a common event, accepted as normal. Hunting isn't spoken of. Because hunting is NATURAL, it was a very much important skill. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by T And T Garage on 05/29/19 at 14:05:08 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
Well jog, abortion isn't illegal. It's not going to become illegal. You best make your peace with it and move on. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/29/19 at 15:53:44 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
Correct that is why some States just require a 'tick' on a box saying, "are you a Citizen of the USA", and require NO PROOF the federal government just has to guess at their procedures. you know, like gun background checks... Nop, Nop, Nop, not even remotely close. Mandatory Background checks are the Fed law. States can make laws that are added to Fed law, but not reduce them. nope, not true at all... the FBI depends on 3 databases, which have varying levels of participation by the states, and there's a patchwork of varying gun control laws throughout various states so what's reported by one state may not be what's reported by another state... etc.. it's very complicated. so, as usual Garbage In, Garbage Out.... which is why background checks have failed in at least 3 mass shootings "Where does the gun background check system get all this information? To ascertain whether an applicant should be disqualified from owning a gun, the FBI draws from three databases. The Interstate Identification Index is a giant repository of criminal convictions used by an array of law enforcement agencies for a range of purposes. The National Crime Information Center, or NCIC, is an “electronic clearinghouse” of other criminal justice records, including protective orders and disposition records Finally, there’s the NICS Indices, which include records contributed by federal, state and local agencies specifically flagging individuals prohibited from buying a gun. The NICS Indices hold records that wouldn’t necessarily show up in the other two solely criminal databases. That includes those related to mental health and immigration status. However, some states like Connecticut add nearly all prohibiting records to the NICS Indices because they typically result in a quick denial, without any need for further investigation by the FBI." unless you want the federal government to have a record of how you voted in every election and then when Trump wants to he can indict you for treason if you didn't vote for him... That is called, Socialism. It is what the UL, FDS's are in favor of. Trump is NOT in favor of that !!!!![/quote] he's definitely leaning that way... "President Donald Trump used the T-word, this time saying that former FBI officials who were involved in investigating his campaign committed treason. Asked at a White House event which of his adversaries he had in mind when he accused them of treason, he said, "A number of people. They have unsuccessfully tried to take down the wrong person." He then specified former FBI director James Comey, former acting FBI director Andrew McCabe, former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, and former FBI agent Peter Strzok. "That's treason. They couldn't win the election, and that's what happened." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-doesn-t-understand-what-treason-means-n1009636 it's a small step from not allowing government employees their own personal opinions on politics to not allowing you yours. and no, it's not socialism, it's authoritarianism, learn the difference, it's important. I know you're confused because when you think socialism you think Russia and Venezuela and probably Nazi Germany... etc.. which where are AUTHORITARIAN socialist/fascist governments. that's why it's actually important to LISTEN and hear the words people are saying when they things like DEMOCRATIC socialism (which to be clear, in the most honest definition of socialism, isn't even really that socialist) |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by LostArtist on 05/29/19 at 15:55:50 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
is the right to you being able to control your own body, autonomy, a standing principle in the Constitution? |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by WebsterMark on 05/29/19 at 16:23:36 5C7F6364516264796364100 wrote:
is the right to you being able to control your own body, autonomy, a standing principle in the Constitution? [/quote] Yes and no Lost. We have laws that protect children under a certain age. Regardless of what the child wants, a 12 yesr old can't enter into a contract. Or get a face tatoo. We have laws that require vaccinations for example regardless of what the parents think. A 20 year old can't alter his perception of the world by drinking alcohol We have a lot of laws that over ride what one person wants to do to their body. The only question that a person has to answer is at what point does a human life deserve legal status. After that point, you can't just kill someone. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by MnSpring on 05/29/19 at 16:36:01 0D2E3235003335283235410 wrote:
Thanks for making my Point !!!!!! there's a patchwork of varying gun control laws throughout various states so what's reported by one state may not be what's reported by another state... etc.. it's very complicated. So 'complicated' you don't understand what is happening or how it works. Oh, ya want to go into detail about what you believe, 'common sense gun laws' are? Or is that just a phrase that is suppose to mean something, like, 'Don't Shoot, Hands Up' LOLOLOLOLOLO (Socialism) he's definitely leaning that way... That's a Joke, Right ! it's a small step from not allowing government employees their own personal opinions on politics to not allowing you yours. DEMOCRATIC socialism (which to be clear, in the most honest definition of socialism, isn't even really that socialist) I believe you need to stop drinking the, Kool-Aid, that someone is giving you. |
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Title: Re: no right to vote Post by Eegore on 05/29/19 at 16:40:37 The only question that a person has to answer is at what point does a human life deserve legal status. After that point, you can't just kill someone. I agree with this to a point. Forcing a mother to give birth to a child that is a result of a family member sexually assaulting her, to me, would be an exception where the mother has more say than all other voting humans in her district. Capital punishment also being part of the killing someone but that isn't what this discussion is about. |
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