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Reply #30 - 02/02/21 at 15:14:42

peejster wrote on 01/29/19 at 17:36:04:

I did some looking around and saw several references to lithium batteries as a replacement for the brick of a battery that comes stock. I too would like to eliminate some weight and some bulk so I am looking at going that route.

I have seen references to Ballistic (maybe here or maybe other sites) but with them shutting their doors last month, I will not be going that route.

I have seen people using Antigravity batteries - that seems like a viable option; I am looking at the 8 cell. It's a good size/weight and it has plenty of cold cranking amps (it took several times of reading the product description until I realized that it was 240 CA (not 240 CCA) but even the 192 CCA will be more than enough).

I am currently leaning towards the Shorai. Wondering if anyone has any experience with this battery. All the specs seem good except one - the product listing states that the charge system must not output more than 15.2v but based on the Clymer Service Manual, the LS650 charging system puts out up to 15.5 volts. Anyone know how accurate that is? If my bike wasn't already apart, I would just test it myself.

Here is a link to the Shorai:
https://shoraipower.com/lfx14a1-bs12-p62

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Hey, try the Lithium patway if you want, but its not gonna solve any wheigt issues at al!
This bike is a light weight bike as it comes, the problem is often the driver, or his passenger! Shocked

Mainly becuse ouer bike is alredy a low wheigt bike.. and the lead battery is a minuskel of that weight!
Its this, the weight of the driver is more importante then the weight of the battery!

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Reply #31 - 02/10/21 at 05:07:34

I use the Antigravity AG-801. It's small, light, and packs some punch.

It has been maintenance free for the past 3 years. I left my key on twice though. Had to take my seat of to get a jump once. I was able to bump start it the other time. I just rode the bike to recharge the battery and it's been fine.

https://antigravitybatteries.com/products/starter-batteries/small-case/ag-801/

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8006	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #32 - 02/10/21 at 13:07:49 I thought if you let these run out they were permanently damaged. What kind of battery am I thinking of?
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Reply #33 - 02/10/21 at 13:32:51

Eegore wrote on 02/10/21 at 13:07:49:
I thought if you let these run out they were permanently damaged.

What kind of battery am I thinking of?

That is true...IF...the battery doesn't include Battery Management System technology (BMS). The BMS will cut power if the voltage drops below 11VDC or exceeds 14.8VDC. It's worth spending the extra $50 or so to get a battery with BMS.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8006	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #34 - 02/11/21 at 08:29:55 Ok that's what I need then. I have easily thrown out 10-15 batteries due to this so I went back to the stock type.
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zipidachimp Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1387 surrey, b.c. Gender:	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #35 - 02/16/21 at 23:41:23 My battery failed last October, wet cell, 6 yrs old. I store my batteries inside until March/April, charge once a month. Weight's only a factor if you're building a hotrod, AGM/GEL is the most cost effective. your mileage may differ!!!! Cheers!
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2681 WTF is JOG?	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #36 - 02/17/21 at 19:46:12 Sometimes size matters. Cheers!
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17807 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #37 - 02/18/21 at 04:37:42 ohiomoto wrote on 02/17/21 at 19:46:12: Sometimes size matters. Cheers! Are we talking about envelopes to mail stuff?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28755 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #38 - 02/18/21 at 11:02:09 Dave wrote on 02/18/21 at 04:37:42: ohiomoto wrote on 02/17/21 at 19:46:12: Sometimes size matters. Cheers! Are we talking about envelopes to mail stuff? Mailmen get upset when the contents bounce around like a pebble in a hubcap.
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Zepp Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 220	Re: Lithium Battery Options Reply #39 - 02/18/21 at 13:25:35 What ever.. the weight of our battery is not of any importance! That matter is often the quality of the battery.. moste often the meantace of the battery! In any case, every battery have a best befor time, but if one maintance/preserv it could last up to 5 years, or more!
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Reply #40 - 02/18/21 at 16:14:45

Zepp wrote on 02/18/21 at 13:25:35:

In any case, every battery has a best before time, but if one maintain/preserve it could last up to 5 years, or more!

I bought a used 2002 Honda ST1100 that still had the OEM Yuasa battery with the Honda logo imprinted on the side. I guess the fact that the bike was stored in a heated garage and they used a battery tender regularly contributed to a long life for the battery. When it failed it died instantly - I pulled into a gas station and after fueling the battery would not even power the neutral light! I got a battery jump and took a 40 mile ride home hoping the battery would charge on the way home, then when I got home it was still dead. I tried charging the battery with a small 1.5 Amp charger - it would not take a charge at all.

The battery was replaced in 2017.....it was a 15 year old battery! The Honda dealer where I got the replacement battery confirmed it was the original OEM factory battery - and they said the replacement Yuasa battery was guaranteed not to last that long!

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Re: Lithium Battery Options
Reply #41 - 02/18/21 at 22:08:33

Zepp wrote on 02/18/21 at 13:25:35:

What ever.. the weight of our battery is not of any importance!

That matter is often the quality of the battery.. moste often the meantace of the battery!

In any case, every battery have a best befor time, but if one maintance/preserv it could last up to 5 years, or more!

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For sure, the quality of our OEM equipment is very important, but maintenance of such delicate equipment is important as well; because it is required if full function is desired into the later years.
Yep, it is.
I pray my “best before time” continues unabated. 👍😁🏍

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Reply #43 - 02/22/21 at 11:08:52

Dave wrote on 02/18/21 at 16:14:45:

Zepp wrote on 02/18/21 at 13:25:35:

In any case, every battery has a best before time, but if one maintain/preserve it could last up to 5 years, or more!

I bought a used 2002 Honda ST1100 that still had the OEM Yuasa battery with the Honda logo imprinted on the side. I guess the fact that the bike was stored in a heated garage and they used a battery tender regularly contributed to a long life for the battery. When it failed it died instantly - I pulled into a gas station and after fueling the battery would not even power the neutral light! I got a battery jump and took a 40 mile ride home hoping the battery would charge on the way home, then when I got home it was still dead. I tried charging the battery with a small 1.5 Amp charger - it would not take a charge at all.

The battery was replaced in 2017.....it was a 15 year old battery! The Honda dealer where I got the replacement battery confirmed it was the original OEM factory battery - and they said the replacement Yuasa battery was guaranteed not to last that long!

Ones up on a time.. I did own a old Skoda Felicia, for all I could understand it had the original battery.. and last for 15 years, befor I sold the car.
The thing is, batterys decline or go totaly broken, wich way.

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Re: Lithium Battery Options
Reply #44 - 02/22/21 at 11:21:21

Gary_in_NJ wrote on 02/19/21 at 05:43:37:

Zepp wrote on 02/18/21 at 13:25:35:
What ever.. the weight of our battery is not of any importance!

That is opinion, not fact. If the weight of the machine matters to you (it does to me, my bike weighs just 294 pounds), then yes the weight of the battery obviously matters.

Of course its my opinion!
Let us study the specefikations;

Dry weight 160 kg / 352 lbs
Curb (wet) weight 173 kg / 381 lbs

https://bikeswiki.com/Suzuki_LS650_Savage_(Boulevard_S40)#Specifications
It says me that this bike alredy is a low weight bike.
Lose some few pounds dont matter.

Its more about to try out the Lithium patway?

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