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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #105 - 11/15/18 at 17:17:29
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:57:07:
combined with two or more traces,

There is a variable



And sadly, it's the only data available.

That says a lot right there.
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Reply #106 - 11/15/18 at 17:22:32
 
Furthermore, tracing a gun used in a crime back to a dealer does not necessarily indicate wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the dealer. Guns could have been bought by straw purchasers (people who obtain guns legally as a cover for someone else) or passed around the second-hand gun market before ending up in the hands of criminals.

Or stolen,,


Yeah, TT, it's the only stuff available, BUT you act like it's so telling.
It's useless.
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Reply #107 - 11/16/18 at 05:41:11
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/15/18 at 17:22:32:
Furthermore, tracing a gun used in a crime back to a dealer does not necessarily indicate wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the dealer. Guns could have been bought by straw purchasers (people who obtain guns legally as a cover for someone else) or passed around the second-hand gun market before ending up in the hands of criminals.

Or stolen,,


Yeah, TT, it's the only stuff available, BUT you act like it's so telling.
It's useless.


Seriously?  Have you actually ever read any of your own posts?  You've posted more far fetched stories with far less evidence and called it gospel.
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #108 - 11/16/18 at 06:02:28
 
That makes your statistical analysis post useful?
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #109 - 11/16/18 at 07:51:18
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:22:35:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:15:09:
5% of the licensed resellers provide about 90% of the guns used in crimes.

Show me.



OK lazy...

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gall...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-str...

Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR20101023029...


Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight?
They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks.
After all,  they have the data and the power to act upon it.
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #110 - 11/16/18 at 07:56:40
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:46:17:
Thanks to that amendment, it's harder to track guns.

And  AGAIN,  you LIE.

Whether your LIES, and misdirection are on purpose.
Or whether of not you are just a  SHEEP-OL
(and SAY exactly as you are told)
Or whether or not you are just LAZY.
I don’t know.

I go know gun laws, and again,
you don’t have the first idea of how a trace works.

You don’t know, understand, WHAT the Tiahrt Amendment is or what it does.
Here is a part which you,
(have not read,
have not have had someone to read it to you,
or you are on purpose LYING).


“… from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation….

Can you understand, that in NO WAY, hinders, ANY, investigation of a crime committed with a firearm.

You Imply, that the below part, hinders tracking a firearm, which has been used in a crime.
It absolutely, completely, does not.
“… Additionally, the law blocks any data legally released from being admissible in civil lawsuits against gun sellers or manufacturers…” what that does, is  Protect, Law Abiding Citizens, from people, that are Gun-Grabbers at all costs, and file totally frivolous lawsuits which has happened many cases.

Again, you don’t have the FIRST  CLUE, of how a, ‘Gun Trace’ works.
Yet YOU say, the Tiahet hinders them.

And JOG is absolutely correct, in saying a ’trace’ back to the Dealer, is NOT, the Dealers fault.
(Unless that dealer is crooked, OR  the  Crooked, 'former' AG of the USA told him/her to SELL to a  Straw Buyer)

A ’Trace’ from the maker to the, Licensed Dealer, is the Part of the ’trace’ Ray Charles could have done.

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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #111 - 11/16/18 at 08:09:40
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/16/18 at 06:02:28:
That makes your statistical analysis post useful?



It just is what it is.

There's no conjecture.  No rumor.

I lay out the facts as best we know them.

Not sure what more you want.
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #112 - 11/16/18 at 08:12:51
 
verslagen1 wrote on 11/16/18 at 07:51:18:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:22:35:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:15:09:
5% of the licensed resellers provide about 90% of the guns used in crimes.

Show me.



OK lazy...

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gall...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-str...

Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR20101023029...


Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight?
They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks.
After all,  they have the data and the power to act upon it.


No.  This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA.
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #113 - 11/16/18 at 08:20:07
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/16/18 at 07:56:40:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/15/18 at 16:46:17:
Thanks to that amendment, it's harder to track guns.

And  AGAIN,  you LIE.

Whether your LIES, and misdirection are on purpose.
Or whether of not you are just a  SHEEP-OL
(and SAY exactly as you are told)
Or whether or not you are just LAZY.
I don’t know.

I go know gun laws, and again,
you don’t have the first idea of how a trace works.

You don’t know, understand, WHAT the Tiahrt Amendment is or what it does.
Here is a part which you,
(have not read,
have not have had someone to read it to you,
or you are on purpose LYING).


“… from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation….

Can you understand, that in NO WAY, hinders, ANY, investigation of a crime committed with a firearm.

No sh!t... but that's not what I'm talking about, genius.

It used to be as easy as going the FOIA request route to get that info.

Now all that data is basically locked up from the public.


You Imply, that the below part, hinders tracking a firearm, which has been used in a crime.
It absolutely, completely, does not.
“… Additionally, the law blocks any data legally released from being admissible in civil lawsuits against gun sellers or manufacturers…” what that does, is  Protect, Law Abiding Citizens, from people, that are Gun-Grabbers at all costs, and file totally frivolous lawsuits which has happened many cases.

Again, you don’t have the FIRST  CLUE, of how a, ‘Gun Trace’ works.
Yet YOU say, the Tiahet hinders them.

It does.  The law effectively shields retailers from lawsuits, academic study and public scrutiny. It also keeps the spotlight off the relationship between rogue gun dealers and the black market in firearms.

And JOG is absolutely correct, in saying a ’trace’ back to the Dealer, is NOT, the Dealers fault.
(Unless that dealer is crooked, OR  the  Crooked, 'former' AG of the USA told him/her to SELL to a  Straw Buyer)

A ’Trace’ from the maker to the, Licensed Dealer, is the Part of the ’trace’ Ray Charles could have done.



Hey, get this mn - your buddy Obama actually expanded police access but also tightened restrictions on public disclosure.

LOL - how about that?
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #114 - 11/16/18 at 08:27:31
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:20:07:
Hey, get this mn - your buddy Obama actually expanded police access but also tightened restrictions on public disclosure.
LOL - how about that?

Please explain,
how that has ANYTHING
to do with your  LYING,
about tracing firearms used in a crime


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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #115 - 11/16/18 at 08:30:48
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:27:31:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:20:07:
Hey, get this mn - your buddy Obama actually expanded police access but also tightened restrictions on public disclosure.
LOL - how about that?

Please explain,
how that has ANYTHING
to do with your  LYING,
about tracing firearms used in a crime


Nothing.  It's a well deserved dig on you.  
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #116 - 11/16/18 at 08:40:05
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:30:48:
Nothing.  It's a well deserved dig on you.  

Great !  Grin
Have you contacted JOG for some Burn Cream ?
I hear he has made a special formula,
JUST  for TROLLS.

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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #117 - 11/16/18 at 08:42:33
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:40:05:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:30:48:
Nothing.  It's a well deserved dig on you.  

Great !  Grin
Have you contacted JOG for some Burn Cream ?
I hear he has made a special formula,
JUST  for TROLLS.




Guess you don't even know how burns work. (no surprise)

I pwned you severely.

Get yourself some meds little guy!

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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #118 - 11/16/18 at 08:50:44
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:42:33:
 I pwned you severely.

Ya just can't stop,
LYING
can you !


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #119 - 11/16/18 at 08:53:45
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:50:44:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/16/18 at 08:42:33:
 I pwned you severely.

Ya just can't stop,
LYING
can you !


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



No lies here mn - everyone (except you) can see that you got pwned.   What you're expressing is denial.

You rival Cleopatra as the "queen of denial" -  Grin Grin Grin
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