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Title: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/18 at 11:24:48 Stopped this guy: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/09/melbourne-bourke-street-attack-dead-injured-man-arrested-stabbings Now... can you imagine if this lunatic had a gun? More guns is not the answer. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/18 at 12:10:16 When you call the cops They BRING MOAH GUNZZZ Why not just let MOAH PEOPLE Have guns? The ratio of crazed,homicidal maniac to Normal, peace loving people who respect life is really low. More decent people prepared to defend the lives of others, and themselves, would be like Well, gee, like having cops with guns,, |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/09/18 at 12:24:55 I know when we do our active shooter exercises, scenario on up and ask the question if anyone would like to have a gun, the answer is typically yes. When faced with imminent harm, most people will want an equal or superior method of defense. So I think the issue isn't if people should have guns, but if that is the only answer to the problem of active shooters. Good guy with a gun has its place but to say that's the only answer is not accurate and this is why a lot of people end up in arguments that go nowhere. While safe at home my argument is more people should carry guns, so there's ample defense against a lunatic. Problem solved. While safe at home my argument is there should be less guns, less availability so I don't have to defend myself against a lunatic with a gun. Problem solved. Both of those go nowhere. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/18 at 14:27:21 0121232B3621440 wrote:
Yes and no Eegore. What path have we been on in this country? We have more guns per capita than any country on the Planet. You can see how that's worked out so far. We lead the world in gun deaths by suicide and we're number 10 on the most overall per capita - in such great company as Colombia, Guatemala and El Salvador... I say it's time to take a different tack. Instead of "thoughts and prayers", how about common sense gun control? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/09/18 at 14:35:56 746A656469746F72000 wrote:
Somehow it's common sense for the law abiding to be defenseless against criminals. Even security is prevented from having weapons. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/18 at 14:42:17 4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 wrote:
Somehow it's common sense for the law abiding to be defenseless against criminals. Even security is prevented from having weapons.[/quote] Watch the Jim Jefferys skit on guns and Americans. If you want to "protect" yourself and need a gun - maybe you should think about another neighborhood/state. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/09/18 at 14:48:41 "Instead of "thoughts and prayers", how about common sense gun control?" I've not offered thoughts and prayers. The portion of my post indicating that more guns is not the single problem solving answer is intended to indicate that more avenues should be taken than singularly adding more guns to more citizens as a complete resolution to the problem. Also the portion of my post indicating that less availability of guns is not the single problem solving answer was meant to indicate that gun control is not a complete resolution to the problem. When someone says "Common sense gun control" I rarely get any information that doesn't already exist in firearm control laws today. My question is what do you do to remove the millions of guns in circulation today? How do you get those guns away from the legal owners that want to keep them, and the criminals that also want to keep them? To me this is like making heroine more illegal and expecting all the drug dealers with crates and crates of it to give it up and get money elsewhere. Also by making it more illegal it will reduce addiction rates biologically in our brains, make high-school kids less influenced by media, and poor communities more affluent and capable of making high volumes of cash in more productive ways. All we have to do is make more common sense heroine control laws. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/18 at 16:16:19 The unknown and unacknowledged part of the equation is When the Gun Free Zones diminish in number And The percentage of average people who are carrying increases Will that have an impact on the Crazy Shooters who are somehow able to DO their shootings where A FUKKING MAZINGLY NOBODY else is armed? Isn't it amazing how many crazy people are able to find places to kill people where it is illegal to be armed? Gee, isn't that something? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/09/18 at 18:08:45 4464666E7364010 wrote:
Again, that's a strawman... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/09/18 at 19:44:23 "I know you're astute and you can easily find out what I mean when I say "common sense gun control"." Actually I can't, I would like actual examples as I have never seen a social problem solved by common sense being used in the methodology without specifics utilized in the implementation of change. My point is that "common sense gun laws" is something is rarely answered with specifics, and when it is, the law already exists. So more laws, just like any other substance, item, method, action, or version thereof that is legal or illegal is not maintained in a way that results in less abuse by means of law alone. How by making more gun laws will we get guns out of circulation? How by making more gun laws will we address mental illness? How by making more gun laws will we reduce the availability of guns on the street? How by making more gun laws will you protect yourself, or your family from someone with a gun? Just use common sense isn't an answer to that. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/10/18 at 06:42:20 6444464E5344210 wrote:
No, but common sense gun laws are. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Serowbot on 11/10/18 at 09:15:21 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Serowbot on 11/10/18 at 09:25:37 I like the argument that America has too many guns in circulation to outlaw guns like Europe,... ...so the solution is more guns. The civilized world thinks we're insane. Makes ya' proud, don'it?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/10/18 at 09:40:03 Then fricken leave. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/18 at 13:35:59 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens[/quote] Liar. I've explained how to change the equation. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/10/18 at 17:12:31 "Liar." Specifically what part of the statement you claim to be lying is false? Its in reference to a linked article. If you link an article that I feel has an incorrect assessment of a topic does that make you dishonest? If an article you link is inaccurate does that mean you lied, or does that mean you want me to read the article? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/18 at 17:51:49 382E39243C29243F4B0 wrote:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens[/quote]t Sorry for the confusion E. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 05:50:05 506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:
great thing about our democracy is our ability to modify it |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/18 at 05:58:37 Let's modify it by giving one way tickets to our American hating, unpatriotic citizens if they're embarrassed. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 06:10:53 605255444352457A56455C370 wrote:
who are you to say what is and is not patriotic not sharing your views is not American hating our differences is what makes U.S. great |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/18 at 08:34:36 What would be great would be for the people who have been pushing against guns in the hands of average people to realize that those are the same American citizens who make up society. The vast majority are good natured, nice people. They are actually class mates of the cops. There is no special DNA that makes cops. Regular folks who want to carry and can demonstrate safe carry and marksmanship are as able to stop a bad guy as a cop. The higher the percentage of people who are armed, the less likely a nutjob with a gun will last more than a few seconds. And once the nutjobs figure out that there is no place where they can have a room full of defenseless targets, you'll see a major drop off in nutjobs trying to get their names on the news. The next one is out there, planning on killing people. But keep people defenseless, demand everyone be vulnerable, deny them the right to defend themselves, because you care. Idiots |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 09:47:20 how and who decides the separation between nut jobs and good citizens? there are nut jobs in the police force |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Matchless G11 on 11/11/18 at 10:10:11 3C203D25382D3A2B2427262D480 wrote:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The question is almost as old as the hills |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/18 at 11:22:17 7569746C716473626D6E6F64010 wrote:
Moving goalposts. Ignore the logic |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 12:14:24 questioning the incongruous |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by mpescatori on 11/11/18 at 12:53:30 You guys are talking yourselves to death. Document yourselves. How was your County, or State, 150 years ago, in 1870? In those days it was "freebie guns for all" - yet how many actually carried, and how many gun-related deaths? I'm ready to wager that, regardless of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood films, the Wild West was possibly more peaceful than current day Detroit or Los Angeles. When I visited, I never ventured out after dark, unless accompanied by local hosts, especially in San Francisco, Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Ridgecrest, CA, and Flagstaff, AZ, were our only exceptions. Just sayin'... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/18 at 13:39:32 2C302D35283D2A3B3437363D580 wrote:
It's only confusing for the people who are determined to make everyone vulnerable. Only cops are good. Only cops should carry. That's the foundation for making Kill Zones for nutjobs. But You want Common Sense gun laws. When common sense says Make the nutjobs with guns wonder how many people they are planning to MURDER are armed. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Matchless G11 on 11/11/18 at 15:28:40 Well... It seems strange Those who don't like guns seem to not want cops either. What do you want? No police force to protect you ? No way of protecting your self ? It seems there is a fatalistic disese running through the west these days. let the mountains fall on us? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/18 at 16:05:34 Yeah, that Nutjobs on the cop force Question pretty much sunk it for them. Wadda Dilbert. Notice how nobody has tried to dissect the points I made? Just some goalposts moved,, Keep the people vulnerable. Don't add guns to the equation Until you call the cops Who will Bring GUNS. No contradictory thought processes there. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 16:58:04 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
It's only confusing for the people who are determined to make everyone vulnerable. Only cops are good. Only cops should carry. That's the foundation for making Kill Zones for nutjobs. But You want Common Sense gun laws. When common sense says Make the nutjobs with guns wonder how many people they are planning to MURDER are armed. [/quote] not confused here you seem to be I never mentioned common sense gun laws |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by thumperclone on 11/11/18 at 17:08:26 796660677A7D4C7C4C74666A21130 wrote:
your points imply arm everyone my question still stands who decides who the nut jobs are?? its easy for you to lump me in with others who have different views than you you've been doing it for over 12 years now when ever your "smarts" evade you "you are not worth the effort or time it would take" ^ eat your own words^ |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/18 at 17:27:27 Where did I say Arm everyone? I didn't. You're a Liar. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/18 at 12:22:05 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote:
Seen any cops go shoot as many people as possible? Even IF you are able to show a couple, The Overwhelming MAJORITY are not crazy. Gee, Just Like Everyday PEOPLE.. Say how different from the other lefties you are But you are unwilling to see how wrong you are. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/18 at 14:01:47 Yeah, more guns is the answer.....<<<<<sarcasm http://huffp.st/iI9cYw8 |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by eau de sauvage on 11/12/18 at 18:13:25 Australia who have the dubious record of the largest single shooter mass killing. In 1995 Bryant shot and killed 35 people. There was an instantaneous response from the government and the result is palpable. 42% decrease in gun deaths. https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2012/10/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/11/18084486/thousand-oaks-gun-control-australia-melbourne-terrorist-attack |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/18 at 00:15:49 We aren't Australia. And I honestly couldn't care less about how anyone else deals with guns and idiots. The complaint is Americans say Yes, there is a problem And nothing can be done about it. Only lefties and fools believe that. It's an obvious and simple solution. Encourage more people to carry. Arm teachers. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 06:34:27 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
You are unintentionally hilarious jog. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 06:35:07 "It's an obvious and simple solution." I'm not sure its simple, legally arming teachers in some states is not easily done. Creating the tax structure to pay for the hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition annually, training centers and safety protocols will take time. Some states have the ability to allow certain teachers to carry firearms and amounts to less than one percent of total faculty, making the programs usefulness very limited. If we are going to embrace mass distribution of firearms we need programs similar to military or organized law enforcement training and logistics. Just saying carry moar gunz does't change the complexity of mass firearm distribution, safety and training. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 06:54:47 A national Permit to purchase. I'd be interested in hearing more about how this works. Tort reform aimed at unsafe manufacturers. If someone uses a Colt brand firearm in a gang shooting is Colt an unsafe manufacturer? How does manufacturing apply to firearm usage, for instance when Ford recalls a vehicle its a manufacturing defect, but if a guy mows down 800 children with a Ford they can not recall that model for defect. Federally enforced denial criteria to include violent misdemeanors - closing any local/state loopholes I think a similar standard should take effect, but enforcing it would be a challenge. The manpower for auditing alone would be in the millions of dollars. "I mean, are you really that paranoid that you're going to face someone in your own home that wants to kill you? What kind of person are you? Where the hell do you live? In a country of 300 million people, how many are being killed in their homes by guns from a home invasion scenario?" It depends on ones line of work I guess. For instance I don't feel paranoid of a home invasion, but if I have the option to protect myself I will do so to the best of my ability and not rely on someone else to do it for me. Kind of how I like to make my money. In a 1 mile radius around my home in town in 2018 there were 6 home invasions, one murder in the home (beat to death with a hammer) 4 stolen vehicles, 9 arrests and I live in a normal lower crime area. To say having a gun for personal protection is paranoia and also saying we need to look at ways to lower gun violence is an interesting stance. One is acknowledging that gun violence is on the rise and dangerous all while saying that considering protection is paranoid. Its like saying that locking your vehicle doors is paranoid because there's millions and millions of cars that will never get broken into. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/18 at 08:45:51 Tort reform aimed at unsafe manufacturers. Any judge seriously considering this should be disbarred. National Permit. Given Obama's use of the IRS as a political tool, the idea of a national permitting database is a scary prospect. There's no way it wouldn't be abused. Remember, SS#'s were originally for one thing, tracking earnings history. But now, they are defacto national ID#. I decline to give mine for anything except SS business. For a long time, Missouri has SS # as DL#, but that's been changed. Absolute certainty a national permit database would be abused. If you want to really analyze gun crimes, begin separating by perpetrators with previous arrests and convictions of violent crimes. The idea is to find a way to not include gang bangers and other criminals shooting each other. Let's admit what we all know. In St Louis for example, if I remove 3 or so zip codes from the crime stats, we might be as safe as a gunless England. Most violent gun crime is situated in a couple areas of any major metropolitan areas. Trying to find a solution that works for those areas, the type of area where I live and rural areas is probably not possible. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 09:26:29 7050525A4750350 wrote:
Somewhat true I suppose. However, one is precautionary and the other is reactionary in that you physically have to wield a gun at a perpetrator and pull a trigger. Locking a car or a house is far less confrontational and takes practically zero effort. Suffice it to say, there should be more responsibility on the gun owner or potential gun owner at the federal level. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/13/18 at 10:34:10 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
Somewhat true I suppose. However, one is precautionary and the other is reactionary in that you physically have to wield a gun at a perpetrator and pull a trigger. Locking a car or a house is far less confrontational and takes practically zero effort. Suffice it to say, there should be more responsibility on the gun owner or potential gun owner at the federal level. [/quote] Again poor analogy, having a lock on your house/car would equate to carrying or even pointing a gun at a perp. Having dogs or a trunk money chase down a perp would equate to using a gun. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 11:11:38 5E4D5A5B44494F4D4619280 wrote:
Somewhat true I suppose. However, one is precautionary and the other is reactionary in that you physically have to wield a gun at a perpetrator and pull a trigger. Locking a car or a house is far less confrontational and takes practically zero effort. Suffice it to say, there should be more responsibility on the gun owner or potential gun owner at the federal level. [/quote] Again poor analogy, having a lock on your house/car would equate to carrying or even pointing a gun at a perp. Having dogs or a trunk money chase down a perp would equate to using a gun. [/quote] My locking a door has never killed anyone. Huge difference. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 15:17:09 "My locking a door has never killed anyone." My owning a gun has never killed anyone either. If I have the option to lock my doors to my house I do, its safer, does that make me paranoid? If I have the option to install a pull rod iron security door I do, its safer, does installing a security door make me paranoid? If I can install a security camera doorbell and a home alarm I do, its safer, does having a camera and security system make me paranoid? If I can own a firearm and also use that firearm when not hunting to aid in home defense I do, its safer, does owning a gun and using it for home defense make me paranoid? At what point are we crossing the line to mental illness? As for the attack dog and trunk monkey chasing somebody running away then that's still illegal. Shooting someone with a hammer intent on crushing my skull like the guy down the street from me is not illegal. I certainly don't plan on using my own hammer in a duel waiting for law enforcement to arrive and save my life for me. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Serowbot on 11/13/18 at 15:31:34 If a shooting happens in a theatre, and there are eight armed guys,... seven will be dead before the shooting stops. At least... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 15:41:56 "If a shooting happens in a theatre, and there are eight armed guys,... seven will be dead before the shooting stops. At least... " I agree. We've run thousands of active firearm simulations over the years and among many of the common themes is that people typically miss their intended target when under duress. Things really change when its not a piece of paper at the end of a corridor. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 18:03:44 4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
Eegore, I'm not saying that all paranoia is bad either. To think you don't need to take any precautions in life is folly. But how far do you take it? I know a guy that sleeps with a Bowie knife under his pillow - literally. I knew a woman that dated a "rent-a-cop" that slept with a gun in the headboard. She came in late one night and he freaked out and nearly blew her head off. Where do we draw that line of 'enough is enough'? My point is - the way that most people who fervently defend the Second Amendment argue that owning guns is a right that should rarely (if ever) be challenged. I disagree. There was a conversation on here about other Amendments being (gasp) amended because they didn't reflect modern times. Same with the Second. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/13/18 at 19:23:18 So if locking doors is a paranoid is it fair to say that most people in America suffer from mental illness? My understanding of paranoia is that it is the creation of a non-validated fear that prevents one from performing normal tasks without anxiety. When I lock my doors I am not doing so out of anxiety or fear, I do it because its safer. Like seatbelts I am not in fear of flying through my window to the point that I think every oncoming car is going to collide with me causing inordinate fear of traffic and related anxiety or other physiological changes caused by paranoia. Its just safer to wear a seatbelt, but by your logic it paranoia because I did it exclusively for self protection. So installing a security camera doorbell that allows me to see whos outside before I open the door is a sign of mental illness. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 21:15:59 08282A223F284D0 wrote:
Now you're being silly and taking it to the Nth degree. There is a tiny line between what some consider a "safety measure" and all out paranoia. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/18 at 22:06:39 If people could know when something bad was gonna happen, they could be prepared. Everyone who was MURDERED by the crazy guy would have been told You don't NEED a gun That's paranoid But TT was wrong. The same reason for seatbelts and riding gear You Just Don't Know When someone is going to screw up. Being able to defend yourself and people around you is a socially responsible thing to do. Why you lefties aren't screaming for more people to be armed I don't understand. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/18 at 22:35:56 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/18 at 23:17:03 Funny how the Crazies Find groups of unarmed people to Express their Crazy. When they are gunned down in seconds and don't get to kill a Buncha People, You will see those instances Dr o p. Knife attack in Europe Car slammed into pedestrian Allow people to be able to defend themselves. Ohhh Nice dodge. You're wrong about people who are armed. It's not paranoid. It's reasonable. Like a fire extinguisher in the house. You DON'T KNOW when something bad will happen. And NO You DON'T get to remove guns from society. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 09:22:07 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
I don’t agree with that scenario. Look at it, realistically. Don’t be just saying it to install, FEAR, in peoples minds. Dark movie theater. Seats 300, their are 150 people in 'their'. 8 are ‘good guys with guns’. Your, pure FEAR Planting, ‘Assumes’, the bad guy with a gun, KNOWS, who, and exactly where, the 8 people, (out of 150), are in a dark theater. And shoots them First ! The only way, your, FEAR Planting scenario would work. Is if their are ONLY, 8 people in the theater, (and each of the 8 had a gun) It has been said, their is a big difference between paper, and defensive, shooting. I believe, (have not seen any study/poll on the subject), that the people, that cannot differentiate between paper/defensive shooting, are the same people, that do not have a clue, what that extra pedal on the floor of a car is for. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 09:30:22 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
WHO, would actually Be-leave, the above phrase. Because it was said by the, 'Onion'. (and only 5 times) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/14/18 at 10:14:18 2F0C3112100B0C05620 wrote:
WHO, would actually Be-leave, the above phrase. Because it was said by the, 'Onion'. (and only 5 times) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] You don't understand it, obviously. Pull your head out long enough to see that it's actually true. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 10:49:55 302E21202D302B36440 wrote:
(regarding the ONION saying: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens and pass it along as, Truth.) And someone is to believe you, BECAUSE, you believe Ford. And you believe YHAOOOOOOOO, is totally UN-biased, in it’s selection of ’news’, and it own reporting. And you believe, None of the Illegal’s coming into this Country, ask for a, Handout. And you believe, the USA should import MORE, refugees, (well as long as they are not in, ‘Your Back Yard’), who don’t have any desire to become part of this country. And you believe, if someone says: ’That person is Lazy’. (and that persons skin is black), they are a Racist. And you believe, if someone says: ’That Person tried to Kill me’, (and that persons religion is Muslim), they are islamphonic. And you believe, if someone says: ’That person just grabbed my ‘stuff’, (and that person is LGBT), they are homophobic. And you believe, in calling ANYONE, who does not believe, EXACTLY as YOU, all sorts of names. A-Yeppers, I sure amy goona believes yous now. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/14/18 at 10:59:57 7D5E634042595E57300 wrote:
(regarding the ONION saying: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens and pass it along as, Truth.) And someone is to believe you, BECAUSE, you believe Ford. And you believe YHAOOOOOOOO, is totally UN-biased, in it’s selection of ’news’, and it own reporting. And you believe, None of the Illegal’s coming into this Country, ask for a, Handout. And you believe, the USA should import MORE, refugees, (well as long as they are not in, ‘Your Back Yard’), who don’t have any desire to become part of this country. And you believe, if someone says: ’That person is Lazy’. (and that persons skin is black), they are a Racist. And you believe, if someone says: ’That Person tried to Kill me’, (and that persons religion is Muslim), they are islamphonic. And you believe, if someone says: ’That person just grabbed my ‘stuff’, (and that person is LGBT), they are homophobic. And you believe, in calling ANYONE, who does not believe, EXACTLY as YOU, all sorts of names. A-Yeppers, I sure amy goona believes yous now. [/quote] Yeah mn, you represent the conservatives on here very well. Nicely done. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 12:11:47 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
People may or may not, agree or not, with part/s or piece/s of what I say. However I don’t ‘represent’ anyone, but myself, on this forum. It does look like, you, represent, UL, Socialistic, Progressive, Comic Book characters. How’s that worken for ya ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 14:07:29 7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote:
WOW, So putting up a Smoke Alarm, makes one ‘paranoid’ Buying a Fire Extinguishers makes one ‘paranoid’ Putting on a seat belt, makes one ‘paranoid’ Putting on a helmet driving a MC makes one ‘paranoid’ Putting ATGATT when driving a MC makes one ‘paranoid’ Looking both ways at a 4 way stop makes one ‘paranoid’ Looking for in coming traffic at a green stoplight makes one ‘paranoid’ Having a life jacket in a boat makes one ‘paranoid’ Knowing where your hunting partners are, and wearing Orange makes one ‘paranoid’ Not walking up to a Brown Bear with a Hamburger makes one ‘paranoid’ Not going into certain parts of Chicago at 2AM makes one ‘paranoid’ And the list goes on and on, and on, and on, … The, intent, for ALL the above things is, ‘self protection’, (or perhaps you wish to SPIN up another reason) |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Serowbot on 11/14/18 at 14:41:46 How many people are accidentally killed by life jackets every year?... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 14:52:22 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Don't know. Do wonder how many people are saved, by putting up a Smoke Alarm? Which, clearly makes one ‘paranoid’, by the he/she called tt. Because, the ONLY reason you have it, is to PROTECT you from a Fire ! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/14/18 at 15:04:35 I asked: If I can install a security camera doorbell and a home alarm I do, its safer, does having a camera and security system make me paranoid? You stated: Yes, it does. So by installing a security camera doorbell I am paranoid. Paranoia is a mental illness according to DSM (DSM-5 301.0 ) and is classifiable because of the following: "a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual [which] is associated with present distress ... or disability ... or with a significant increased risk of suffering" So security camera doorbells = paranoia, or in other words a facilitating example of mental illness. Or its safer. The line isn't thin, its literally definable based off of decades of categorized criteria. If home security devices are compelling evidence of mental disorder why are they not part of the DSM? Maybe because safety and preparedness isn't the only measurable criteria for evaluating mental illness, but by your logic it is. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 15:09:08 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
How many people are SAVED each year by 'Life Jackets' ? Just don't think many are wearing PFD's, (Personal Flotation Devices), as a fashion statement. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/14/18 at 15:15:41 "Your, pure FEAR Planting, ‘Assumes’, the bad guy with a gun, KNOWS, who, and exactly where, the 8 people, (out of 150), are in a dark theater. And shoots them First !" My assessment is that people without consistent adrenal based target acquisition training will rapidly fire upon targets without accuracy or often times immediate recollection of the expanse of time, target, or resource usage during a life threatening event. People without consistent training tend to pull the trigger 3 times before realizing their weapon has emptied, when under duress. This information I have collected working over the past 11 years at various FLETC and other training facilities worldwide. A crowded theatre of 300 people with one active shooter gaining access from one of 3 public accessible entry points will experience return fire, however of the 8 additional active shooters it is very possible that due to adrenaline alone that bystanders will be hit. I see firearms equivocal to automobiles in this scenario. More cars on the road doesn't mean there will absolutely be more vehicle fatalities, but historically that is what has happened. More guns introduced randomly into a crowd of people in a restricted place doesn't mean there absolutely will be more firearm related fatalities, but there is little evidence that suggests otherwise. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/14/18 at 15:17:40 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
I suppose it's not clear to you... the question is not 'how many are killed by _______ ' (insert safety device/firearm here) It's 'are you paranoid because you have a _______ ' (insert safety device/firearm here) It is not paranoia to own a (insert safety device/firearm here) Paranoia is a mental condition which taint knows all about. And yes, you can kill someone with a life jacket, even accidentally. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 15:45:19 1B3B39312C3B5E0 wrote:
Yep, agree. YET, you use the word, 'people'. Their are, LOTS, of variants in that. Working in/with a FLETC, (Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers) environment. Does, NOT, mean, that is the best. Not by a long shot. (Pun Intended) LOL I estimate, (in my experience), their are 60% of Civilians, (that Carry), CAN outscore, and surpass, in a, adrenaline, shooting event, a, 'trained Police Officer'. 30% are just crap. 10% close. (+/- estimates) And of course that varies in the physical location of those people. Gee, where did the best 'shooters' come from, according to Military records. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/14/18 at 15:59:56 "Working in/with a FLETC, (Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers) environment" FLETC are the locations, not the people, we have also used Pendleton, Ft Carson, Ft Lewis, Frontsight NV, and I don't know how many NRA locations, but FLETC provides the best resources and are the most common locations as Simunition can be shipped and stored direct. Law enforcement typically score higher regarding accurate target acquisition and impact, active military second, civilians age 24-32 score third, retired military with 1-10 years out is usually last in the list among people who regularly interact with firearms. The highest scores by a long shot are Air Marshalls, they train a reliable method consistently designed for close-quarter accurate shots. Even though its designed for close quarters it translates easily to mid-range application, so well in fact the Navy is now looking into it. Everyone says they can handle it until the rounds start flying their direction, people are shoving them and knocking them to the ground, and lighting is altered during the event. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/14/18 at 16:57:59 Take two people. Both Male. Age within 2 years of each other. Ethnicity, any. Upbringing, any. A. Is skilled in Basket Ball. A, just, ‘Has it’. A, plays in pickup games, twice a week. B. Knows the game, understands the fundamentals and rules, and plays a pick up game about once every two months. A. Is recorded throwing 100 free throws, 2 times each week, for 10 times. B. Is recorded throwing 100 free throws, 2 times each week, for 10 times. Each has a % of F.T. recorded. (And A is 20-30 % higher) Now, A, just keeps doing what A is doing, nothing changes. B. Is installed in a Intensive BB program, and is taught ALL the fundamentals, and practices, practices, practices, practices, etc… In 6 months, B, will OUT SCORE, A, in FT’s. By 10-20%. For the last 6 months, B, has had no further training or practice. A. has just done the Pick up games. A will OUT SCORE, B, in FT’s. By 10-20%. So the same with Firearms training. A person, (Law Enforcement Officer), JUST, coming out of a intensive firearms course, will score high. Yet without continual training, practice, their skill will quickly degrade to below, the, ‘Civilian’, who, ‘Just Has It’. And a civilian, who, ‘just has it’, will totally beat the pants off a, ‘trained’, LEO, who favors Donuts over Bullets. Every Time! Who do, YOU, want armed and protecting you. A ‘Donuts’ filled cop, who hasn’t had any firearm training in YEARS. Or a Skilled, Civilian ? LET, the skilled, teachers, janitors, principals, be armed. They are there, the, ‘cops’ are NOT. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/14/18 at 19:12:04 "Who do, YOU, want armed and protecting you. A ‘Donuts’ filled cop, who hasn’t had any firearm training in YEARS. Or a Skilled, Civilian ?" A skilled civilian if my only choice is a cop that hadn't had firearm training in years, which in most jurisdictions I am aware of is illegal, annual competency is the standard but some do more. However annual training doesn't mean skill improvement. There is no way to get firearms exclusively in the hands of civilians that "have it" as its just pure chance. A gun can end up in the hands of someone with bad vision, there's no eye exam to own a gun, or heavily consumes narcotics, there's no drug test to own a gun, or someone who has low competency, there's no skill test to have a gun. So lets just hope that janitor is competent, visually acute, capable of handling stress and doesn't consume narcotics to alleviate that back pain of his. Maybe he just "has it". Lets just hope all 8 of those guys in a crowded theatre operate above average with firearms and not like the average person. Also by selecting someone who "has it" is selecting someone who performs Above Average which means statistically there are considerably fewer people operating in the "has it" range of competency because if everyone operated that way they would cease to be Above and just be Average. Who would YOU rather have protecting you - a civilian that scores high at the range that's never been in a fight, let alone shot at, and is legally blind, or a cop that receives monthly competency drills, has had multiple attempts on his life and is competent in firearm safety? Anyone can rig the selections by creating hypothetical situations that favor their view of an argument. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/18 at 19:30:59 Me |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/18 at 05:33:34 The bottom line to this is simple: If you're one of those people stuck in a room with a madman pounding on the door to get in, my guess is all of us at that point would want the option of having a gun. If you were in a theater and shots rang out and you had no easy way out, you'd want a gun. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns every day. And I hate it when the I read crap like this only happens in the US. Fist off, that's crap but more importantly, there are a lot of things that only happen in the US, the vast majority of which are good. Crime overall is down. As bad as these random mass shootings are, they are random and infrequent. Certainly not incidents to make a nationwide legislation from knowing full well in advance the perpetrators will ignore whatever policy you put into place. I don't trust a government with 100% of my personal safety and my obligation to protect those in my house. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 10:48:45 022220283522470 wrote:
LOL - do I need to hire a lawyer Eegore? OK, for your sake, and because I respect you, I'll acquiesce. Perhaps "paranoid" is too strong a word. I'd say that "misplaced fear" is more accurate. Let's face it - that misplaced fear is what drives far too many to own guns or other weapons with the express intent to maim or kill. At least, that's been my experience. Feeling that, at any time, you'll be shot at or victimized in some way is no way to live. So the argument that someone owns guns for the express purpose of protecting themselves is (to me) silly. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 11:20:43 Even IF it's silly to own weapons for self defense, THOSE ARE NOT THE MURDERERS. You're wanting to control the people who Aren't the problem. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/18 at 12:04:36 Feeling that, at any time, you'll be shot at or victimized in some way is no way to live. So the argument that someone owns guns for the express purpose of protecting themselves is (to me) silly. The greatness of America is my definition of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness does not get to be defined by anyone but myself. I suggest you mind your own business and leave us to our own lives. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 12:12:15 Feeling that, at any time, you'll be shot at or victimized in some way is no way to live. I don't drive down the road stroking my seatbelt, thrilled in my knowledge that I'm ready for the crash that is Surely coming in the next few minutes. You ATTRIBUTE ideas to the people who would be prepared for a moment that will Probably never happen and use YOUR BULLSHIT ideas as a reasonable way to sneer down at them. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 12:13:58 1D2F28393E2F38072B38214A0 wrote:
LOL - go live in fear in the middle of the woods mark. Git yerself some jerky, mash & fix yerself up with a good sturdy filly! Sad day for you mark - I don't have to "mind my own business". I get to talk/post as much as I want - and there's not thing one you can do about it. I love 'merica! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 12:20:02 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 12:46:51 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
[/quote] Take it however you want jog. What kind of life is it to live in fear all the time? Fear of the "invasion" on our southern border. Fear of the Muslims "taking over". Fear of the "big bad gubment" coming to take all your guns. Fear of the "war on Christmas". Fear of everything... Enough. Yeah, be cautious, don't be stupid - but don't turn it into something that it's not. Don't try and tell me that there's a need for a "well regulated militia" to rise up against a "tyrannical government" in this day and age. There just isn't. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 13:05:47 627C73727F627964160 wrote:
What about all those things, that Cenk Uygur, TELLS YOU, to fear ? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 13:09:03 7E5D6043415A5D54330 wrote:
What about all those things, that Cenk Uygur, TELLS YOU, to fear ?[/quote] What things? Be specific. Because I don't remember him ever giving advice about "fearing" anything. Once again, I think you're making sh!t up mn. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 13:32:23 726C63626F726974060 wrote:
LOL, he is YOUR, Savior/Mentor/Idol/Hero. Not mine. Besides I am not going to be a member, and PAY him, to go on his web page, and read/see, his drivel. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 13:47:57 Throw out the spare tire. Ditch the smoke alarms and fire extinguishers. Throw away the helmet and gloves. The world is your oyster and you can't get screwed. Idiots and just bad luck will not cross your path. You ATTRIBUTE preparation to fear. Good sense dictates that we prepare. Or do you not have a savings account? Why not just piss away everything? You must be AFRAID of not having enough. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/15/18 at 14:32:40 "Feeling that, at any time, you'll be shot at or victimized in some way is no way to live. So the argument that someone owns guns for the express purpose of protecting themselves is (to me) silly." That makes more sense although I'm not sure I agree entirely. I agree that feeling you may be victimized or shot is no way to live, but during my time in CA that was a normal, uncontrollable way of life for some people in the inner cities. Unfortunate, but a measurable, factual risk. My mother was murdered in her home, it makes sense to me that even though she wasn't a hunter, a sport shooter, or even interested in guns that if she would have survived that she would today own a firearm for the express purpose of self protection. I will however acknowledge that being killed within one's home is a very low risk that is most-likely going to get lower as security tech, like cellphone linked alarm/camera systems become more available to middle and lower class incomes. Going back to what I said before about some of this outlook may depend on our line of work. On the side I help volunteers learn how to be active assailants in civilian self defense programs. As part of that preparation we listen to a 911 call of a woman being actively raped. In that call she says she is on the phone with 911 and that police are on the way. The assailant states clearly "I don't care." and proceeds to sexually assault her while she screams and begs him to stop. He completes the assault and leaves before law enforcement arrive. Not one person including law enforcement staff that partake in this training exercise suggest she use a phone over a gun, but that's because of our line of work. Due to consistent exposure to criminal behavior and victims of violence I think those people would lean more towards firearms as protection. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 14:34:43 My mother was murdered in her home,.. Words fail |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 14:37:36 53704D6E6C7770791E0 wrote:
LOL, he is YOUR, Savior/Mentor/Idol/Hero. Not mine. Besides I am not going to be a member, and PAY him, to go on his web page, and read/see, his drivel.[/quote] Oh, so then you're lying about him saying that? I see. I should have known. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 14:48:17 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
I'm very sorry to hear about your mother. I now understand your point of view much better. All the more reason I respect you, because you also see mine. To be clear Eegore, I'm not, and never will, call for the banning of guns. I'm not even calling for the banning of assault weapons (mostly because that's a BS term). What I am calling for are tighter restrictions at the federal level and holding gun manufacturers to a higher standard. As to the "paranoia" claim/statements I've made - I've seen far too many people with the constant mindset of self-protection. Many of them border on full blown paranoia (in the clinical definition). These were the same people that bought thousands of rounds of ammunition when Obama was elected. Most of them thought Sharia law was coming and they needed to protect themselves. I guess I simply don't understand nor have ever had that mindset. Fortunately. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 15:00:38 What I am calling for are tighter restrictions at the federal level and holding gun manufacturers to a higher standard. Ohhh, do expand on that. After being educated on the fact that manufacturers sell to licensed dealers, what more do you want? Pretty sure you have been asked this before. Like Describe the wonderful society that America will be when lefties are satisfied with the Change they demand. Shall I call Krikkits now or wait? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 15:23:31 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
Naw - just go crawl back to your shelter with your kindle and wait for the apocalypse... lol |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 16:15:09 5% of the licensed resellers provide about 90% of the guns used in crimes. Show me. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:22:35 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 16:29:57 6A747B7A776A716C1E0 wrote:
Yea !!!!!!!!!!! Just a hand full of the utter stupidity that Uygur spews. (From various sources) And the tt’s, er Sheepol just eat it up. (As well as listing his, ‘FEAR’ this, mantras) “called religious opponents to abortion “neanderthals.” “ just because Uygur is screaming and slamming his news desk, doesn’t mean he isn’t exactly where he wants to be” “Uygur, in other words, is ready for the looting to begin” “Uygur can be aggravating, even obnoxious” “There is no greater threat to Washington, DC than Bernie Sanders, and they know it,” says Uygur "The establishment thinks we’re the bad guys and we’re the radicals, but what they don’t realize is we’re actually the last line of defense” “Someone in their teens or early 20s will come up and say hi to me, and that was definitely not happening before when I was on MSNBC.” "TYT’s website written during Uygur’s time in Florida. “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets,” he wrote in 1999. “Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed” "If the Democratic party doesn’t move left, it will be over the demands of progressives, many of whom log on to hear what the Young Turks have to say” “The Young Turks has been targeted with a racial-discrimination complaint by a former employee — which TYT Network founder and CEO Cenk Uygur has called “baseless.” " Uygur's old blog found doozies involving his apparent fetish for breasts, rules for dating ("orgasm by the fifth date"), and something about picking up, or pretending to pick up, underage girls" “Then there’s the one about women being genetically inferior” "The Wrap found a current TYT staffer who said anonymously that Uygur is "a knucklehead. He's a boy. He talks about women the way I talked when I was 13." As Gilda Radner often said: “Never Mind”, that Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks, is the he/she called tt’s, Mentor/Hero/Idol//Savior. And the tt tries to emulate all of his ideas and philosophic ideals. But, all that is OK, Cause the he/she called tt, NEVER repeated ANY, of those absolutely, DFI ideas. And the he/she, NEVER, said things like, 'the sky is falling', because it was said on TYT. (And NO, Troll, I am NOT going to waste my time looking things up, FOR YOU) |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 16:33:32 766867666B766D70020 wrote:
Ever hear of a thing called, Fast & Furious ?????? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 16:34:01 9 percent of such businesses. — For retailers and pawnbrokers combined with two or more traces, 89.5 percent of guns used in crimes were traced to 7.2 percent of sellers. You think that's statistically significant? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/15/18 at 16:37:16 "— For retailers and pawnbrokers combined with two or more traces, 89.5 percent of guns used in crimes were traced to 7.2 percent of sellers." You think that's statistically significant? I do. If 89.5 percent of a viral illness came from 7.2 percent of food manufacturers people would be in an uproar. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 16:38:04 Tiahrt Amendment.. Just as bubs oppose Trump, some supported Obama. How am I supposed to know why this was done? More Fast and Furious? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 16:41:15 5D434C4D405D465B290 wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Exactly WHO, do you think will believe those, TOTALY one sided, lying sources. That is exactly like saying: "‘Here is CNN they are telling the Absolute TRUTH” or “Here is FOX, they are telling the Absolute Truth”. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:44:17 694A7754564D4A43240 wrote:
Yea !!!!!!!!!!! Just a hand full of the utter stupidity that Uygur spews. (From various sources) And the tt’s, er Sheepol just eat it up. (As well as listing his, ‘FEAR’ this, mantras) “called religious opponents to abortion “neanderthals.” “ just because Uygur is screaming and slamming his news desk, doesn’t mean he isn’t exactly where he wants to be” “Uygur, in other words, is ready for the looting to begin” “Uygur can be aggravating, even obnoxious” “There is no greater threat to Washington, DC than Bernie Sanders, and they know it,” says Uygur "The establishment thinks we’re the bad guys and we’re the radicals, but what they don’t realize is we’re actually the last line of defense” “Someone in their teens or early 20s will come up and say hi to me, and that was definitely not happening before when I was on MSNBC.” "TYT’s website written during Uygur’s time in Florida. “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets,” he wrote in 1999. “Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed” "If the Democratic party doesn’t move left, it will be over the demands of progressives, many of whom log on to hear what the Young Turks have to say” “The Young Turks has been targeted with a racial-discrimination complaint by a former employee — which TYT Network founder and CEO Cenk Uygur has called “baseless.” " Uygur's old blog found doozies involving his apparent fetish for breasts, rules for dating ("orgasm by the fifth date"), and something about picking up, or pretending to pick up, underage girls" “Then there’s the one about women being genetically inferior” "The Wrap found a current TYT staffer who said anonymously that Uygur is "a knucklehead. He's a boy. He talks about women the way I talked when I was 13." As Gilda Radner often said: “Never Mind”, that Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks, is the he/she called tt’s, Mentor/Hero/Idol//Savior. And the tt tries to emulate all of his ideas and philosophic ideals. But, all that is OK, Cause the he/she called tt, NEVER repeated ANY, of those absolutely, DFI ideas. And the he/she, NEVER, said things like, 'the sky is falling', because it was said on TYT. (And NO, Troll, I am NOT going to waste my time looking things up, FOR YOU) [/quote] LOL - you're funny! So much work making all those bold words and all caps and different font sizes. Only to be ridiculed - by me. mn - when are you going to realize that your posts are only an amusement to me. They mean nothing. But please, continue on with them! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:44:53 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Yeah. You don't? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/15/18 at 16:46:13 786669686578637E0C0 wrote:
AGAIN, you don't have the first fricken CLUE, of how things are done. Sprinkle that Fairy Dust, Sing, Kum-By-You, and click your heals together three times. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:46:17 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
It just is what it is jog. Thanks to that amendment, it's harder to track guns. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:46:59 12310C2F2D3631385F0 wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Exactly WHO, do you think will believe those, TOTALY one sided, lying sources. That is exactly like saying: "‘Here is CNN they are telling the Absolute TRUTH” or “Here is FOX, they are telling the Absolute Truth”. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Oh what fun it must be to live in your little world mn! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 16:49:21 65467B585A41464F280 wrote:
AGAIN, you don't have the first fricken CLUE, of how things are done. Sprinkle that Fairy Dust, Sing, Kum-By-You, and click your heals together three times. [/quote] And your posts speak volumes as to what kind of person you are. Like I keep saying - all the other conservatives on here must be so proud that you're one of them, and that you represent them so well. Keep up the great work mn!! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/18 at 16:56:35 253B343538253E23510 wrote:
LOL - go live in fear in the middle of the woods mark. Git yerself some jerky, mash & fix yerself up with a good sturdy filly! Sad day for you mark - I don't have to "mind my own business". I get to talk/post as much as I want - and there's not thing one you can do about it. I love 'merica![/quote] Are you ever not a d!ck? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 16:57:07 combined with two or more traces, There is a variable |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 17:16:21 7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:
LOL - go live in fear in the middle of the woods mark. Git yerself some jerky, mash & fix yerself up with a good sturdy filly! Sad day for you mark - I don't have to "mind my own business". I get to talk/post as much as I want - and there's not thing one you can do about it. I love 'merica![/quote] Are you ever not a d!ck?[/quote] Ask yourself that question. I respond in kind. You don't like it - that's on you, not me. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/15/18 at 17:17:29 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
And sadly, it's the only data available. That says a lot right there. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 17:22:32 Furthermore, tracing a gun used in a crime back to a dealer does not necessarily indicate wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the dealer. Guns could have been bought by straw purchasers (people who obtain guns legally as a cover for someone else) or passed around the second-hand gun market before ending up in the hands of criminals. Or stolen,, Yeah, TT, it's the only stuff available, BUT you act like it's so telling. It's useless. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 05:41:11 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Seriously? Have you actually ever read any of your own posts? You've posted more far fetched stories with far less evidence and called it gospel. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/18 at 06:02:28 That makes your statistical analysis post useful? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/18 at 07:51:18 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 07:56:40 435D52535E435845370 wrote:
And AGAIN, you LIE. Whether your LIES, and misdirection are on purpose. Or whether of not you are just a SHEEP-OL (and SAY exactly as you are told) Or whether or not you are just LAZY. I don’t know. I go know gun laws, and again, you don’t have the first idea of how a trace works. You don’t know, understand, WHAT the Tiahrt Amendment is or what it does. Here is a part which you, (have not read, have not have had someone to read it to you, or you are on purpose LYING). “… from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation….” Can you understand, that in NO WAY, hinders, ANY, investigation of a crime committed with a firearm. You Imply, that the below part, hinders tracking a firearm, which has been used in a crime. It absolutely, completely, does not. “… Additionally, the law blocks any data legally released from being admissible in civil lawsuits against gun sellers or manufacturers…” what that does, is Protect, Law Abiding Citizens, from people, that are Gun-Grabbers at all costs, and file totally frivolous lawsuits which has happened many cases. Again, you don’t have the FIRST CLUE, of how a, ‘Gun Trace’ works. Yet YOU say, the Tiahet hinders them. And JOG is absolutely correct, in saying a ’trace’ back to the Dealer, is NOT, the Dealers fault. (Unless that dealer is crooked, OR the Crooked, 'former' AG of the USA told him/her to SELL to a Straw Buyer) A ’Trace’ from the maker to the, Licensed Dealer, is the Part of the ’trace’ Ray Charles could have done. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:09:40 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
It just is what it is. There's no conjecture. No rumor. I lay out the facts as best we know them. Not sure what more you want. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:12:51 584B5C5D424F494B401F2E0 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:20:07 4D6E537072696E67000 wrote:
And AGAIN, you LIE. Whether your LIES, and misdirection are on purpose. Or whether of not you are just a SHEEP-OL (and SAY exactly as you are told) Or whether or not you are just LAZY. I don’t know. I go know gun laws, and again, you don’t have the first idea of how a trace works. You don’t know, understand, WHAT the Tiahrt Amendment is or what it does. Here is a part which you, (have not read, have not have had someone to read it to you, or you are on purpose LYING). “… from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation….” Can you understand, that in NO WAY, hinders, ANY, investigation of a crime committed with a firearm. No sh!t... but that's not what I'm talking about, genius. It used to be as easy as going the FOIA request route to get that info. Now all that data is basically locked up from the public. You Imply, that the below part, hinders tracking a firearm, which has been used in a crime. It absolutely, completely, does not. “… Additionally, the law blocks any data legally released from being admissible in civil lawsuits against gun sellers or manufacturers…” what that does, is Protect, Law Abiding Citizens, from people, that are Gun-Grabbers at all costs, and file totally frivolous lawsuits which has happened many cases. Again, you don’t have the FIRST CLUE, of how a, ‘Gun Trace’ works. Yet YOU say, the Tiahet hinders them. It does. The law effectively shields retailers from lawsuits, academic study and public scrutiny. It also keeps the spotlight off the relationship between rogue gun dealers and the black market in firearms. And JOG is absolutely correct, in saying a ’trace’ back to the Dealer, is NOT, the Dealers fault. (Unless that dealer is crooked, OR the Crooked, 'former' AG of the USA told him/her to SELL to a Straw Buyer) A ’Trace’ from the maker to the, Licensed Dealer, is the Part of the ’trace’ Ray Charles could have done. [/quote] Hey, get this mn - your buddy Obama actually expanded police access but also tightened restrictions on public disclosure. LOL - how about that? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 08:27:31 6C727D7C716C776A180 wrote:
Please explain, how that has ANYTHING to do with your LYING, about tracing firearms used in a crime |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:30:48 40635E7D7F64636A0D0 wrote:
Please explain, how that has ANYTHING to do with your LYING, about tracing firearms used in a crime [/quote] Nothing. It's a well deserved dig on you. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 08:40:05 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
Great ! ;D Have you contacted JOG for some Burn Cream ? I hear he has made a special formula, JUST for TROLLS. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:42:33 0D2E133032292E27400 wrote:
Great ! ;D Have you contacted JOG for some Burn Cream ? I hear he has made a special formula, JUST for TROLLS. [/quote] Guess you don't even know how burns work. (no surprise) I pwned you severely. Get yourself some meds little guy! ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 08:50:44 445A555459445F42300 wrote:
Ya just can't stop, LYING can you ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 08:53:45 6D4E735052494E47200 wrote:
Ya just can't stop, LYING can you ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] No lies here mn - everyone (except you) can see that you got pwned. What you're expressing is denial. You rival Cleopatra as the "queen of denial" - ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/18 at 09:16:48 342A252429342F32400 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. [/quote] How is that hampering government oversight? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 09:42:51 5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. [/quote] How is that hampering government oversight?[/quote] I never said it hampered government oversight. I stated that studies like the ones I posted can no longer be done because they shut out the public. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/18 at 09:54:23 never said it hampered government oversight. I stated that studies like the ones I posted can no longer be done because they shut out the public. Obama didn't veto that? Gee, why not? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/18 at 12:06:40 7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. [/quote] How is that hampering government oversight?[/quote] I never said it hampered government oversight. I stated that studies like the ones I posted can no longer be done because they shut out the public.[/quote] You mean you think the joe blow should be able to trace any weapon owned by anyone for any reason? Would that be like anyone requesting the home address of any vehicle? Why would you allow that? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 12:38:58 687679787568736E1C0 wrote:
To stop CRAP like this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gun-map/ (From the UL’s Favorite UL sight) And this: The editor of the New York newspaper that created a furor by publishing the names and addresses of gun-permit owners suddenly is out of a job. According to the Rockland Times, a competitor to the Gannett-owned Rockland County Journal News, editor Caryn McBride is among the casualties of a recent purge at the Journal News. The report said 17 journalists were among a total of 26 staff members at the Journal News who were let go. McBride and other executives then decided to hire armed guards to protect their property, the Times reported, “causing an uproar due to the perceived hypocrisy of the avowed anti-gun editors hiring gun-toting men.” Two months ago, the White Plains-based newspaper admitted that the information it published was badly outdated. The paper acknowledged many people had a dot on their house, indicating there was a gun permit at that address, even though they didn’t own a gun. The responses to the publication included the publication of a map showing “Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood?” The Times said a Clarkstown police report confirmed that armed security guards were hired for the Journal News. The Times also reported that shortly after the publication of the map, authorities said burglars entered the home of one of the gun owners identified by the newspaper, and a gun safe that was on the premises was damaged in a robbery attempt. https://www.wnd.com/2013/08/bang-editor-fired-after-publishing-gun-owner-map/ And this UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflake. "Below is a 446-page list of every licensed gun owner in New York City. I obtained it from the NYPD two-and-a-half years ago via a Freedom of Information Law request.” “…could see the name and address of each pistol or revolver permit holder. Accompanying text states that inclusion does not necessarily mean that an individual owns a weapon, but had obtained a license…” Again the the he/she called tt, that cannot read or comprehend. Read this again, (or have someone read it to you) These names do not necessarily mean that an individual owns a gun, but just had obtained a license. Today, those are, state records, which you can get, if you have a ’taint’ buddy that gives them to you. And now all the Panty in a bunch people will yell, “They Have The ‘Right’ to know” Perfect examples of, I can, You can’t. (What,,,, the UL, Panty in a bunch crowd, Forgot, about MY ‘rights’) HAY tt, YOU own a gun, (at least you have said so many times, or where you Lying again) So, post your name, address, age, gender, etc.etc.etc ! No Problem, Right ! Or is this just another, YOU can I can’t LOLOLOLOLOLOL So for all the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes. The ’tracking’ of firearms, by LEO/etc. is Still the same as it was in 1968. What has changed is, the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, are NOT allowed to harass law abiding Citizens ! Another example of the, UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, 'thinking'. they will make something better. When in fact they SHUT OUT scientific study of a subject. Because, they are, (supposedly), 'thinking', about how to make things better. It's the same as a Condo community. Where NO BBQ's (open fires) are allowed within 25 feet of a building, and only in the back yard area. Sounds Good, however the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, could not see, from the building to the property line, in the back, was 24 feet. And that is basically what the, 'taints' have been doing to this Country, and want to do more. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 12:50:36 0A291437352E2920470 wrote:
To stop CRAP like this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gun-map/ (From the UL’s Favorite UL sight) And this: The editor of the New York newspaper that created a furor by publishing the names and addresses of gun-permit owners suddenly is out of a job. According to the Rockland Times, a competitor to the Gannett-owned Rockland County Journal News, editor Caryn McBride is among the casualties of a recent purge at the Journal News. The report said 17 journalists were among a total of 26 staff members at the Journal News who were let go. McBride and other executives then decided to hire armed guards to protect their property, the Times reported, “causing an uproar due to the perceived hypocrisy of the avowed anti-gun editors hiring gun-toting men.” Two months ago, the White Plains-based newspaper admitted that the information it published was badly outdated. The paper acknowledged many people had a dot on their house, indicating there was a gun permit at that address, even though they didn’t own a gun. The responses to the publication included the publication of a map showing “Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood?” The Times said a Clarkstown police report confirmed that armed security guards were hired for the Journal News. The Times also reported that shortly after the publication of the map, authorities said burglars entered the home of one of the gun owners identified by the newspaper, and a gun safe that was on the premises was damaged in a robbery attempt. https://www.wnd.com/2013/08/bang-editor-fired-after-publishing-gun-owner-map/ And this UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflake. "Below is a 446-page list of every licensed gun owner in New York City. I obtained it from the NYPD two-and-a-half years ago via a Freedom of Information Law request.” “…could see the name and address of each pistol or revolver permit holder. Accompanying text states that inclusion does not necessarily mean that an individual owns a weapon, but had obtained a license…” Again the the he/she called tt, that cannot read or comprehend. Read this again, (or have someone read it to you) These names do not necessarily mean that an individual owns a gun, but just had obtained a license. Today, those are, state records, which you can get, if you have a ’taint’ buddy that gives them to you. And now all the Panty in a bunch people will yell, “They Have The ‘Right’ to know” Perfect examples of, I can, You can’t. (What,,,, the UL, Panty in a bunch crowd, Forgot, about MY ‘rights’) HAY tt, YOU own a gun, (at least you have said so many times, or where you Lying again) So, post your name, address, age, gender, etc.etc.etc ! No Problem, Right ! Or is this just another, YOU can I can’t LOLOLOLOLOLOL So for all the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes. The ’tracking’ of firearms, by LEO/etc. is Still the same as it was in 1968. What has changed is, the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, are NOT allowed to harass law abiding Citizens ! Another example of the, UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, 'thinking'. they will make something better. When in fact they SHUT OUT scientific study of a subject. Because, they are, (supposedly), 'thinking', about how to make things better. It's the same as a Condo community. Where NO BBQ's (open fires) are allowed within 25 feet of a building, and only in the back yard area. Sounds Good, however the UL, Progressive, Panty in a bunch, Fairy Dust Sprinkling Snowflakes, could not see, from the building to the property line, in the back, was 24 feet. And that is basically what the, 'taints' have been doing to this Country, and want to do more. [/quote] Yeah, that's pretty much how I see your inane/insane posts mn. You're unintentionally funny! Keep up the great work there little fella! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 13:46:39 3C222D2C213C273A480 wrote:
Thanks, I will. You don’t know, what I weigh, or how tall I am. So when you call me, ‘little fella’, it don’t mater. You just don’t know. I have stated my age, many times. And reading my posts, one could conclude/affirm my age by the content/references/etc in my posts. The same as gender. So keep saying, ‘little fellow’, it, don’t bother me at all. Because, you simply, Don’t Know ! Yet I see, me, calling you, ‘he/she’ greatly bothers you. I know you have said your gender is male, but by your posts/reactions/comments, and by your constantly Lying in your posts. (Lying, is eliminating Facts or manipulating Facts, on Purpose) I simply don’t know what your gender is. So I will continue calling you, ‘he/she’. As for, Troll, Ray Charles could have, seen, that ! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 14:09:25 4764597A7863646D0A0 wrote:
Thanks, I will. You don’t know, what I weigh, or how tall I am. So when you call me, ‘little fella’, it don’t mater. You just don’t know. I have stated my age, many times. And reading my posts, one could conclude/affirm my age by the content/references/etc in my posts. The same as gender. So keep saying, ‘little fellow’, it, don’t bother me at all. Because, you simply, Don’t Know ! Yet I see, me, calling you, ‘he/she’ greatly bothers you. I know you have said your gender is male, but by your posts/reactions/comments, and by your constantly Lying in your posts. (Lying, is eliminating Facts or manipulating Facts, on Purpose) I simply don’t know what your gender is. So I will continue calling you, ‘he/she’. As for, Troll, Ray Charles could have, seen, that ! [/quote] mn - feel free to call me anything you'd like. Call me he/she, call me a snowflake, UL, whatever. All that does is show everyone what a little, petty boy you are. Little. Tiny. Nothing. You see, I don't really care what you say. It all looks like what I posted above - jiberish that you can't quite make sense of. The funniest thing is though, is that you think it's important. You think that it actually represents your point of view in a good way. You think it makes sense! Unintentionally funny is what you are. Like I said - you represent the conservatives and republicans on here very well. I'm sure they're happy you're on their side. :D Thanks for making yet another Friday a good one for me! Keep up the great work! Oh - and bless your heart. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 14:14:53 170906070A170C11630 wrote:
Oh, so ya missed this. Well here ya go I will re-post it for Ya. As for, Troll, Ray Charles could have, seen, that ! Now, your turn, you can have the last word. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 14:31:46 64477A595B40474E290 wrote:
Oh, so ya missed this. Well here ya go I will re-post it for Ya. As for, Troll, Ray Charles could have, seen, that ! Now, your turn, you can have the last word. [/quote] http://media1.tenor.com/images/405eded0705c5c5e35fc505f7adbc499/tenor.gif?itemid=5547796 |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 14:32:50 Gee, I wonder who took down my post of pee wee the first time? Will it happen again? Let's see.... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/18 at 14:37:15 293A2D2C333E383A316E5F0 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. [/quote] How is that hampering government oversight?[/quote] I never said it hampered government oversight. I stated that studies like the ones I posted can no longer be done because they shut out the public.[/quote] You mean you think the joe blow should be able to trace any weapon owned by anyone for any reason? Would that be like anyone requesting the home address of any vehicle? Why would you allow that?[/quote] You don't have an answer do you. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 14:48:31 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:
OK lazy... http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2015/11/30/ruben-gallego-bad-apple-gun-dealers-fact-check/76319992/ http://www.bradycampaign.org/our-impact/campaigns/keep-crime-guns-off-our-streets Sadly, the Tiahrt Amendment now prevents this type of investigation... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html [/quote] Doesn't that point out a problem with government oversight? They are responsible for licensing the dealers and background checks. After all, they have the data and the power to act upon it.[/quote] No. This was basically an amendment crafted by the NRA. [/quote] How is that hampering government oversight?[/quote] I never said it hampered government oversight. I stated that studies like the ones I posted can no longer be done because they shut out the public.[/quote] You mean you think the joe blow should be able to trace any weapon owned by anyone for any reason? Would that be like anyone requesting the home address of any vehicle? Why would you allow that?[/quote] You don't have an answer do you.[/quote] I do have an answer - my sincerest apologies vers - your comment didn't catch my attention. Talk to mn about that - maybe put some all caps or bold type up...lol I'm not talking about anything that granular. Statistic firms conduct research on cars all the time. They don't get detailed sales numbers of actual driver's information. Thanks to the Tiahrt Amendment, the gun industry is now shielded from the public via the ATF from disclosing their sales. This prevents any ral statistics from being gathered for academic purposes or litigation. It's a smokescreen brought to you by the nra. The US has more guns per-capita than any other country on the Planet. I guess it's silly to think that we should maybe have the toughest oversight... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/18 at 15:08:48 170906070A170C11630 wrote:
So you would absolve the g men their responsibility to regulate those licensed dealers who are on the 5% list? And their responsibility to go after the strawmen? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 15:13:22 4B584F4E515C5A58530C3D0 wrote:
So you would absolve the g men their responsibility to regulate those licensed dealers who are on the 5% list? And their responsibility to go after the strawmen?[/quote] No. Ask yourself this vers - How was it "so bad" prior to the Tiahrt Amendment? The only reason for it is to keep the public eye out. Again, thanks to the nra. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/18 at 17:06:17 How does any of that mean More trained, vetted people carrying makes for a safer society Untrue? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/16/18 at 17:24:47 544A454449544F52200 wrote:
Well then, you, start the FIX ! And the Best Way to do that, is for YOU to, post your name, address, age, gender, etc.etc.etc ! And that YOU have a gun. Here, FB, Twitter, all sorts of social media. No Problem, Right ! Oh yea, forgot, you can't read, or comprehend the posts I make. After all YOU said: "jiberish that you can't quite make sense of" So as Gilda Radner always said: 'Never Mind' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by T And T Garage on 11/16/18 at 21:32:07 0E2D1033312A2D24430 wrote:
Well then, you, start the FIX ! And the Best Way to do that, is for YOU to, post your name, address, age, gender, etc.etc.etc ! And that YOU have a gun. Here, FB, Twitter, all sorts of social media. No Problem, Right ! Oh yea, forgot, you can't read, or comprehend the posts I make. After all YOU said: "jiberish that you can't quite make sense of" So as Gilda Radner always said: 'Never Mind' [/quote] What? What??? ;D |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/16/18 at 22:09:12 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Eegore on 11/17/18 at 06:54:40 "How does any of that mean More trained, vetted people carrying makes for a safer society Untrue?" No, just unnecessary and hindering to creating well designed studies and programs to prevent illegal distribution of firearms to begin with, among other beneficial programs related to gun-violence prevention. Someone already said it is the same as vehicle, or pretty much any other technology used in the US. The item can be studied without using my personal information. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by Serowbot on 11/17/18 at 07:56:14 In a room full of people with guns and shots being fired by some,... how do the "good" people identify the other good people?... MAGA hats?.... ::) The likelihood of them identifying each other as bad guys is pretty great. How do the police identify the bad guy?... More guns will just make things worse. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by WebsterMark on 11/17/18 at 08:28:57 How about this for a solution? You guys mind your own freaking business ? I'm pro-choice when it comes to guns. My life, my body, my choice. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/17/18 at 08:35:11 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Well one, 'common sense' way would be: Who, is shooting at me ? Who has a gun in a inappropriate place? Who is shooting at who ? The likelihood of them identifying each other as bad guys is pretty great. (I believe you mean, 'them', 'as a good guy/gal with a gun'. And, 'each other' as other, 'as a good guy/gal with a gun' people.) With that in mind. (Never been in a situation where in a theater/restaurant/school, and a 'bad' guy started randomly shooting at people. I do believe the first reaction would be to hide/barricade. Then access the situation. Then determine if I should leave/retreat/engage. And those decisions would be made by, 'common sense', and experience. Bot, remember, their is no one, even suggesting that you, give up your right to be, defenseless. Their is none saying you, 'have to', defend yourself. How do the police identify the bad guy?... People that point a gun at them ! |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/17/18 at 08:37:53 7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:
Just posted, than saw this. That is GOOD. What a hit for the, Pro-Choice, baby killing, gun - grabbers. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by MnSpring on 11/17/18 at 09:23:13 0424262E3324410 wrote:
I believe that was because of the 'gun-grabbers', efforts. which they tried all sorts of ways to 'ban' guns. By making them, un-popular. Didn't that amendment come about, because the anti-gunners were filling all sorts of frivolous lawsuits ? Which when many of the gun grabbers saw what happened, they tried to do a end run around the Fed law, then saw how it totally backfired, when people did it With State stats. Nothing changed as to LEO's 'tracking' a firearm. The item can be studied without using my personal information. Yea it can. The amendment can be added to, if it needs to be. The problem is the, 'Anti-Gunners', want YOUR name, address, etc. Just for 'owning' or applying for a FOID card/permit and not owning a firearm. As it was said "easy as going the FOIA request route to get that info" Numbers, made/imported/sold, firearm/s used in a crime, what kind of crime, firearms used in accidents/suicide, and a whole bunch more. How are any of those affected ? Their are other agency's keeping those records. The big deal is, does, Bot or tt, want their name published, their address published, their phone number/s published The number of, and kinds of guns, published ? I know I don't. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys With Guns Post by verslagen1 on 11/17/18 at 23:20:31 Guns aren't the problem... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2017_Melbourne_car_attack |
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