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Re: Deficits Don't Matter... Right?
Reply #30 - 10/18/18 at 08:12:06
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/17/18 at 12:58:20:
WebsterMark wrote on 10/17/18 at 11:04:55:
How do you not know that SS and Medicare are fully funded?  There is no reason to touch them.

Medicare is most certainly NOT fully funded and the Feds have 'borrowed' from since its beginning, or shortly thereafter if i recall. Not positive about that.  


The 2018 report of Medicare’s trustees finds that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund will remain solvent — that is, able to pay 100 percent of the costs of the hospital insurance coverage that Medicare provides — through 2026.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicare-is-not-bankrupt







So, I take it there's no admission of error from you on this mark?


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Reply #31 - 10/18/18 at 09:07:45
 
Just in case we forgot.......

Government spending far outweighs, government revenues by a difference of nine percentage points in favor of spending, according to a CBO infographic . The graphic also shows that individual’s debt has grown especially large in recent years; debt held by the public accounted for 67 percent of U.S. GDP in 2011, the highest level in four decades.

Here is a nice graphic.....




I call your attention once again, to the year 2011......

Who was president, and what programs were driving this increase in our deficit?

Remember when presidents asked for a line item veto?
Remember bridges to nowhere, tacked on to bills?
How about a balanced budget initiative?

Indeed, it is a problem, not as big when the economy is thriving, but when it slows, and it always will, it becomes a huge problem....

When it does, the only winners are the very wealthy.
The chasm widens greatly, separating the "classes" even further, dividing us into the "haves, and have-nots"
Creating a toxic enviroment that breeds contempt, and lots of other negative connotations.
 
Its no difference than your own personal credit management.

You want to keep "covering" expenses, to anybody who shows up in our country unfettered, well.....
Try going into a bar tonight, give the bartender your credit card.
Let him announce," ALL DRINKS ARE FREE TONIGHT...... "
Lets see what that does to your budget.  

You can make certain your debt is manageable, do NOT rely on the idiots in Washington, who created this mess.
But again, unless you are very well off, make that extremely well off, you have exposure to financial ruin, in this acceptable method of governing, with a deficit mentality EVERYONE in Washington employs.

Use it as a wedge, stamp your forehead, "Just another sheeple"
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Reply #32 - 10/18/18 at 09:09:21
 
A significant portion of Medicare is funded from general revenues. It's not all fully funded. How do you not know that?
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Reply #33 - 10/18/18 at 09:57:41
 
raydawg wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:07:45:
Just in case we forgot.......

Government spending far outweighs, government revenues by a difference of nine percentage points in favor of spending, according to a CBO infographic . The graphic also shows that individual’s debt has grown especially large in recent years; debt held by the public accounted for 67 percent of U.S. GDP in 2011, the highest level in four decades.

Here is a nice graphic.....

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/US-FEDERAL-BUDGET_zpsij...


I call your attention once again, to the year 2011......

Who was president, and what programs were driving this increase in our deficit?

Remember when presidents asked for a line item veto?
Remember bridges to nowhere, tacked on to bills?
How about a balanced budget initiative?

Indeed, it is a problem, not as big when the economy is thriving, but when it slows, and it always will, it becomes a huge problem....

When it does, the only winners are the very wealthy.
The chasm widens greatly, separating the "classes" even further, dividing us into the "haves, and have-nots"
Creating a toxic enviroment that breeds contempt, and lots of other negative connotations.
 
Its no difference than your own personal credit management.

You want to keep "covering" expenses, to anybody who shows up in our country unfettered, well.....
Try going into a bar tonight, give the bartender your credit card.
Let him announce," ALL DRINKS ARE FREE TONIGHT...... "
Lets see what that does to your budget.  

You can make certain your debt is manageable, do NOT rely on the idiots in Washington, who created this mess.
But again, unless you are very well off, make that extremely well off, you have exposure to financial ruin, in this acceptable method of governing, with a deficit mentality EVERYONE in Washington employs.

Use it as a wedge, stamp your forehead, "Just another sheeple"


So, how was it doing in 2015 and 2016?

How is it today?

I know for a fact that time has indeed past since 2011.... Cheesy
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Reply #34 - 10/18/18 at 09:59:42
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:09:21:
A significant portion of Medicare is funded from general revenues. It's not all fully funded. How do you not know that?


LOL, huh?  This is your quote:
"Medicare is most certainly NOT fully funded "

So, it is.

Thanks.
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Reply #35 - 10/18/18 at 10:15:10
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:57:41:
raydawg wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:07:45:
Just in case we forgot.......

Government spending far outweighs, government revenues by a difference of nine percentage points in favor of spending, according to a CBO infographic . The graphic also shows that individual’s debt has grown especially large in recent years; debt held by the public accounted for 67 percent of U.S. GDP in 2011, the highest level in four decades.

Here is a nice graphic.....

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/US-FEDERAL-BUDGET_zpsij...


I call your attention once again, to the year 2011......

Who was president, and what programs were driving this increase in our deficit?

Remember when presidents asked for a line item veto?
Remember bridges to nowhere, tacked on to bills?
How about a balanced budget initiative?

Indeed, it is a problem, not as big when the economy is thriving, but when it slows, and it always will, it becomes a huge problem....

When it does, the only winners are the very wealthy.
The chasm widens greatly, separating the "classes" even further, dividing us into the "haves, and have-nots"
Creating a toxic enviroment that breeds contempt, and lots of other negative connotations.
 
Its no difference than your own personal credit management.

You want to keep "covering" expenses, to anybody who shows up in our country unfettered, well.....
Try going into a bar tonight, give the bartender your credit card.
Let him announce," ALL DRINKS ARE FREE TONIGHT...... "
Lets see what that does to your budget.  

You can make certain your debt is manageable, do NOT rely on the idiots in Washington, who created this mess.
But again, unless you are very well off, make that extremely well off, you have exposure to financial ruin, in this acceptable method of governing, with a deficit mentality EVERYONE in Washington employs.

Use it as a wedge, stamp your forehead, "Just another sheeple"


So, how was it doing in 2015 and 2016?

How is it today?

I know for a fact that time has indeed past since 2011.... Cheesy


You wanna borrow my stamp?
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Reply #36 - 10/18/18 at 10:20:41
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:59:42:
WebsterMark wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:09:21:
A significant portion of Medicare is funded from general revenues. It's not all fully funded. How do you not know that?


LOL, huh?  This is your quote:
"Medicare is most certainly NOT fully funded "

So, it is.

Thanks.


By your definition, everything is fully funded.....

Medicare, all parts, do not take in enough from specific taxes to cover all the expenses. The balance is paid in part through funds from the general revenue just like any other governement expense.
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Reply #37 - 10/18/18 at 10:23:10
 
raydawg wrote on 10/18/18 at 10:15:10:
You wanna borrow my stamp?


No - I don't even know what that means.  

But I would like to find out if you know what happened after 2011 and into 2016?  Did the deficit shrink?  

Today, has the debt held by individuals dropped over 2011?  Has the deficit gone up from 2016?

Simple questions.  Simple answers.
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Reply #38 - 10/18/18 at 10:25:24
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/18/18 at 10:20:41:
T And T Garage wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:59:42:
WebsterMark wrote on 10/18/18 at 09:09:21:
A significant portion of Medicare is funded from general revenues. It's not all fully funded. How do you not know that?


LOL, huh?  This is your quote:
"Medicare is most certainly NOT fully funded "

So, it is.

Thanks.


By your definition, everything is fully funded.....

Medicare, all parts, do not take in enough from specific taxes to cover all the expenses. The balance is paid in part through funds from the general revenue just like any other governement expense.



I'll just put this back here for reference.

The 2018 report of Medicare’s trustees finds that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund will remain solvent — that is, able to pay 100 percent of the costs of the hospital insurance coverage that Medicare provides — through 2026.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicare-is-not-bankrupt
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Reply #39 - 10/18/18 at 10:50:51
 
You're only talking about Part A of Medicare. You know there are other parts right? When looked at as a whole, almost half of Medicare is funded through the general fund. Part A is fully funded through dedicated funds. Parts B and D are not.

So, if the federal government is running a deficit, which is and has been for a long time, it’s disingenuous to use the phrase Medicare is fully funded.
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Reply #40 - 10/18/18 at 14:40:18
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/18/18 at 10:50:51:
You're only talking about Part A of Medicare. You know there are other parts right? When looked at as a whole, almost half of Medicare is funded through the general fund. Part A is fully funded through dedicated funds. Parts B and D are not.

So, if the federal government is running a deficit, which is and has been for a long time, it’s disingenuous to use the phrase Medicare is fully funded.



You're right mark... I should include Social Security on that as well.  it's also fully funded.

Thanks.


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Reply #41 - 10/19/18 at 07:02:53
 

 Its fully funded but not projected to be fully funded, so that's an issue maybe.
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Reply #42 - 10/19/18 at 07:19:01
 
Not true Eegore. In the context of our deficit conversion, fully funded meant dedicated taxes to cover the expenses, meaning the programs are funded outside of general tax revenues which medicare is not.

Question: If you had an income of $1000 a month and your car and house payments equaled $1500 so you borrowed $500 a month on a credit card, would you label your finances as fully funded?
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