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Reply #240 - 02/11/18 at 19:26:46

No, I think a 60 series tire has very stiff walls and is a very short tire -- too mean for this old man to wrassle with.

I think the 155-80r15 has been a thing we have both done before, somewhat tougher to mount than the 165-80r but doable with care. Certainly a bit less wide and less tall than what I have on the Savage right now. This "shorter/skinnier" is needed because shaft drive bike tires are fixed, no adjustments available for fudging for clearance .....

Reminds me to bring your cast lead .308 lubed and sized bullets for the K-31 though.

Meet up area by Lake City Florida, near Jacksonville. Dates May 8th and May 16-17

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/lake-city-fl/32055/month/332305?monyr=3/01/...

Improved. Thursday and Friday are nice now.

Daytona Beach area (Bike Week area)

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/daytona-beach-fl/32114/month/328173?monyr=3...

Improved. Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday are nice now.

Down by DuPuis / Indiantown (main camping place)

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/indiantown-fl/34956/month/15185_pc?monyr=3/...

Changed Wednesday and Thursday are RAIN days now.

Results are really still too vague to get overly excited over, but they are there for your viewing pleasure ...... We know they shift some two weeks out, and become much more specific for days and amounts of precipitation during that last week.

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Reply #242 - 02/12/18 at 02:58:47

I went ahead and ordered the Federal 155-80r15 from Walmart, as I have no idea what the rear tire (brand new as of last spring) will look like after running the world this summer. Since most of it is all 4 lane out West a big ol' flat spot will be what kills it quick most likely.

Also, Wally offered to bribe me with a $25 new card credit for starting up a credit card which will only be used for the one purchase, so the tire will only cost me $27 delivered to my local Wally.

At that sort of price, I'll risk it. I know I'll have to get out the electric knife and cut the tubeless lips off the beads (turn them car beads into tube style motorcycle tire beads).

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Reply #243 - 02/12/18 at 06:10:32

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 02/12/18 at 02:58:47:

I went ahead and ordered the Federal 155-80r15 from Walmart, as I have no idea what the rear tire (brand new as of last spring) will look like after running the world this summer. Since most of it is all 4 lane out West a big ol' flat spot will be what kills it most likely.

Also, Wally offered to bribe me with a $25 new card credit for starting a credit card, so the tire will only cost me $27 delivered to my local Wally.

At that sort of price, I'll risk it. I know I'll have to get out the electric knife and cut the tubeless lips off the beads (turn them car beads into tube style motorcycle tire beads).

Electric knife ? Don't you mean a power grinder !

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Reply #244 - 02/12/18 at 09:50:51

When cutting away the large tubeless rubber sealing lips, an electric knife with some olive oil to lube the blade motion, allowing for frequent rest breaks to cool the electric motor down is the best/quickest method found in the past. You pull up on the cut off lip to create some running clearance for the blade and it cuts the fiber-free sealing rubber lips quite easily.

A tube type motorcycle tire has NO BIG SEALING LIPS (the tube does that job) and the rim recess makes no provisions for holding such large flabby rubber lips anyway. They totally get in the way and increase the seating air pressure required tremendously.

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Reply #245 - 02/12/18 at 17:31:29

A tube type motorcycle tire has NO BIG SEALING LIPS (the tube does that job) and the rim recess makes no provisions for holding such large flabby rubber lips anyway. They totally get in the way and increase the seating air pressure required tremendously.

Ain't there some way of making a spoke wheel into a tubless wheel and just forget the tube alltogether ?

If so , I believe I'd run tire slim in it also !

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Reply #247 - 02/12/18 at 19:29:51

I was thinking of the 145/60-15 I've got . It might serve on the hay rake one day ! Huh

What if a Savage type person took : JB Marine and put a small "beade" of it around each spoke-head so that gravity ran it into the right place for it to be. I suppect doing 6 at a time would be all you could do before Gravity quit being such a friend . Then after making it all the way around , that same Savge person used a shot of " Tire-Sealer " inside ... just to make sure air did'nt hunt-up no extra little pin-holes !

I think I'm about thought my self into trying this next time my Commander II needs replaceing . On'y thing is that will be near 20,000 miles from now ---- Maybe ---- Huh

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Reply #248 - 02/14/18 at 17:25:06

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 02/14/18 at 11:18:44:

Simply gluing your spoke heads into place means you can never true your wheel ever again.

Well......how many folks ever true their wheels after the first 50,000 miles? By that time I suspect the spokes/nipples are rusted so tightly together you won't ever get them to move anyhow.

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Reply #249 - 02/14/18 at 21:20:51

I've NEVER turned a spoke on mine . When I got my second S-40 my good tire was on my old Savage rim ... So I just kept the Savage rim. So , all my LS-650 miles have been on the same wheel ... not far from 100,000 miles by now , but never turned a spoke on it ... I'm wondering if I might ought to check it ??? Roll Eyes

It don't matter , I'm getting over 20k miles from the Commander II tires , and have learned to know what they can and can't do. Just Staying away from WET ROADS is the main thing , anywhere else they are as good as anything out there.

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Reply #251 - 02/15/18 at 09:36:41

The back wheel of the Savage should be pretty strong. It has a very heavy steel rim, and the spokes are thick and very short in length as a result of the 15" rim on a drum hub....and it has a beefy tire with plenty of sidewall to soak up a heavy impact. After the initial settling in......I would think it would take a pretty heavy hit to bump the wheel out of alignment.

MM.....go ahead and make your rim tubeless if you want and get that 60 series tire mounted. It won't be hard to get a replacement rear rim if it doesn't work out......between Lancer, Verslagen and I - I betcha we will always have a spare laying around somewhere.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28825 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Savage Events for 2018 Reply #252 - 02/15/18 at 10:00:15 if you need a rear rim, let me know, I have a couple.
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Reply #253 - 02/15/18 at 10:01:51

Hey gang! Sorry I have not been very attentive here lately. Traveling a lot with work, not riding much at all due to busy work schedule and crazy weather.

So...what is the current list of Spring and Fall trips? I scanned back a few pages and can't seem to locate a good summary. I want to make sure I get plugged in where my schedule will allow, and reserve those dates so I don't double book a work trip on a riding weekend!

Thanks!

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28825 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Savage Events for 2018 Reply #254 - 02/15/18 at 12:14:09 Since this has turned into discussion about everything remotely related to the trips, I haven't followed. They've even resisted breaking out individual trip planning.
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