the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


That's a statement that is very clear.

The reason Why is what I've never been able to get through to you.

Then let them... at least it ain''t floatin' about for $50...

In some ways yes,... but both abortion and gun ownership do have restrictions now...
Late term abortions are severely regulated,.. as are full auto machine guns.

I think we can reduce the the severity of shootings with some reasonable limits to the lethality and availability of weapons...
I mean,.. let's agree... no nukes for civilians?... no missiles?... no hand grenades?... Howitzers?... machine guns?...
Is there any legitimate civilian use for these things?...

Remember,.. I am a gun owner... times 8!...
4 are revolvers, one bolt action... 3 semi auto 22's...two pistols one rifle none more ten 10 shot clips.
I can understand some people wanting more or bigger,
... but that ends somewhere...

Bikes are limited now to a ridiculously high 300kph... but they are limited...
guns can't grow into cannons, missiles, etc...
The 30mm cannon of an A10 does not have a practical civilian use...
Can't we at least agree on that?...
Compromise requires first finding the common ground, otherwise we just bang heads...

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/03/17 at 18:57:52:


You repeat yourself without adding anything to the argument.

I can grasp your literal interpretation... point conceded...
Now, you try to grasp mine...
These men,.. lived in a different time...
A literal interpretation cannot work...
In their time, a slave was not a man... person without landholding could not vote... women could not vote.
Arms, were muzzle loaded...
...and the ""militia" was needed to defend against invasion by King George of England....
None of this applies today...

If the obvious, is no longer obvious, how can it's rules be literal?...
It must be interpreted as to the intent of the writers....

The Constitution wasn’t literally written for all Americans... only for white, male, rich, landowners...
Should we literally restrict gun ownership and free speech to only rich, white men?....
No,... that was not the intent...
The intent was fair, free, equal, and honourable in that time...
We are tasked with bringing these intentions into our world.  A world they would not recognize...
They did not intend to unleash the power for one man to terrorize 20,000...
They intended for one man to be able to defend his ground... his property, and family...
... from King George's men...
In their wildest dreams.... they didn't see, nukes, jets, television, twitter, cell phones, internet, ...or mass shootings by deranged lunatics killing innocent women and children...
Imagine now,.. trying to write rules for the year 2300...
Seriously,.. take a few minutes, hours, days,.. and get back to me...
They relayed their intent very well... but it's not literal...
I think they knew that... They weren't stupid...
We need to be as brilliant as they were...

Point being,... I'm trying to express...
I have as much respect for these men as you do...  I just think they had more respect for our understanding that they were only human, living in a time and place that dictated their language....

Peace,
Serow

Do you understand WHY we have the Second Amendment?

Having said that, it's reasonable to restrict certain weapons and we do. The process to legally own a machine  gun is difficult and expensive. This process has worked very well because I just read automatic weapons have been used 3 times since laws enacted in the 30's. I just quoting what I read yesterday, I didn't research that.

By the way, my WWII reenactor brothers have both fired BARs. Freaking awesome they siad. The guy who owned it has $25k dollars into it.

I'm thinking about bump stocks. Hadn't considered that before, not sure. High capacity magazines, I don't want restrictions on that, I like using mine. Besides that restriction is at best a minor inconvenience to serious killer.

Finally, keep in mind there are 300 million + guns in the US today that, for practical purposes, have an unlimited shelf life. We keep hearing it's physically impossible to deport 11 million illegals who walk around and interact with other people all day, but any restrictions do nothing for those 300 million unless you think you're going to send feds out to collect them....

Aggressive behavior?
This required months of planning.

All true Rut.

There are about 44 murders per day plus countless assaults with firearms and otherwise. This attack represents a bad weekend night across the country. Is that putting things into perspective or just a useless statistic? Not sure, guess it depends upon your point of view.

But as someone who spends 75 to 100 nights a year in a hotel, I don't want to go through a metal detector to check into a hotel. All that does is shift the next target someplace else. We take our shoes off at an airport because of one person.