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Reply #30 - 03/25/17 at 15:44:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/25/17 at 14:21:16:
Thirty five bucks a month for BCBS mid seventies. Age 26, single. Pre Hmo.
Hospital beds had a control box with buttons. Articulated as much as now.

40+ years ago??  that's not a comparison
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Reply #31 - 03/25/17 at 16:07:39
 
Dismiss it as you wish. But, why not?
Costs then versus now, how is that not a comparison?  You can account for inflation, can't you?
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Reply #32 - 03/25/17 at 18:27:51
 
thumperclone wrote on 03/25/17 at 15:44:30:
40+ years ago??  that's not a comparison


Well how about 3 years ago ?

Wife  Broke her  Femur.
8 days in Hospital,  + + +
The  Hospital Bill, ALONE, was, $58,540.00

I requested a  Itemized Statement, (as the law in Minn)
I received 10% of one,  requested again, got another 10%,  this went on each week for a  Month.
Then the finical adm called.  I told him, “You have NOT  sent a  Itemized Bill”.

He set up a  meeting, with 6  heads of the departments.
Went their.   Laid down a  little  ‘digital recorder’, and said:
“I’ll be recording this, as my ’note’ making skills are lacking”

6  Department  Heads  looked at me  with the,
‘Doe in the Headlight, look’.
Did NOT get  Answers, only  SPIN.

(One in fact, when I asked why they billed, 4,250.00  for 4.5  HOURS in the major surgery room, and then a day later billed, 5,200.00  for  FIFTEEN   MINUETS, to put in a, ‘umbrella’,  (so no possible  blood clots).
She, Looked at her watch, said: “OMG, I Have to go, I forgot a  important meeting I have to go to”)

After the meeting was done. The finical adm, asked me in the hall:  “Well What do you think”.
I Told him: “I  will pay my share, but I will NOT GET  RAPED”

2  Days  Later, I got a  Bill for 15,000.00

A,  $43,540   REDUCTION   !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, HMO’s were not the answer, and  Most   Certainly   ‘bamm a Care’, is NOT either.

Lets see, your  LS650/S40  won’t start.
So you re-wire a  switch.  Still don’t start.
Then you re-wire another switch, Still don’t start,
and then,   (On and On and ON)
ALL  the time,   NOT,  going  Back, and undoing what you did.
and now you are at your 5th,  ’not starting’,  after your, ‘fixes’.
and it still won’t start.
HOW, do you know, which of your, ‘fixes’, need to be, ‘fixed’ ???????

Yet  the, ‘Fairy Dust Sprinklers’  (etc)
are  ALL   Standing in the Street, saying:
  “See, See, See”
   (Because they were  TOLD,  to do that)

When it is actually,  
“Let’s Get It  Right  this time”

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Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #33 - 03/25/17 at 19:06:47
 
Trump promised Repeal and Replace.
Offered a crappy, sorry excuse  of a bill.
That it failed never surprised me.
And NOW what happens?
Bamicare will die on its own.
Brilliant.
The dems will have to own that.
It'll be the bubs fault, won't it Bot?
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Reply #34 - 03/25/17 at 21:01:17
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/25/17 at 19:06:47:
Trump promised Repeal and Replace.
Offered a crappy, sorry excuse  of a bill.
That it failed never surprised me.
And NOW what happens?
Bamicare will die on its own.
Brilliant.
The dems will have to own that.
It'll be the bubs fault, won't it Bot?


the bubs hold the purse strings they will have to own it!!!
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Reply #35 - 03/25/17 at 21:33:55
 
No, lefties shoved Bamicare down our throats.
Everyone who had a brain opposed it.
What does having the purse string have to do with anything?
Explain that, okay?
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Reply #36 - 03/26/17 at 05:18:21
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/25/17 at 19:06:47:
Trump promised Repeal and Replace.
Offered a crappy, sorry excuse  of a bill.
That it failed never surprised me.
And NOW what happens?
Bamicare will die on its own.
Brilliant.
The dems will have to own that.
It'll be the bubs fault, won't it Bot?


I agree. In my view, this was Trump's first failure. It's not getting knocked down, it's how you get up that matters. He promised he wouldn't let me down. Ok, I give him this one learning experience.

Now Mr President, go do what you said. REPEAL and replace. Build the Wall. Shut down immigration from dangerous countries with no real serious passport control. Stop the ridiculousness of committing to tens of thousands of refugees from nations with widespread Isalmic Fundamentalists.

Pretty darn simple to do list sir.
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Reply #37 - 03/26/17 at 06:45:55
 
Let's not ignore the absolutely awful crap Trump is saying.
REBUILD the military?
It's insane.
Before we dump billions into the wall,let's move existing people and equipment to the border. See how that works.
Repositioning existing assets instead of spending billions, get the border under control.
Either he never intended to break the status quo or someone has explained to him the price of trying.
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Reply #38 - 03/26/17 at 06:52:08
 
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Either he never intended to break the status quo or someone has explained to him the price of trying.


Or maybe it's beginning to dawn on him that he's just the President, not the Emperor, and that the legislature - Republicans and Democrats alike, are not on his side.

The only thing surprising about this fiasco is that anyone is surprised by it.
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Reply #39 - 03/26/17 at 07:10:11
 
He's the one who is saying
REBUILD the military.
He's a frikking neocon.
I'm not at all surprised. I expected it. I'm also still less unhappy than I think I would have been had The Pustule won.
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Reply #40 - 03/26/17 at 07:10:41
 
The only thing surprising about this fiasco is that anyone is surprised by it.

I agree Oldnslow. Status Quo does not go quietly into the night. It takes a hard nosed Mo-Fo to break that up.

I remember once I was living in Kansas City working for Penske Truck Leasing as a controller. Our location was doing okay in our current company's opinion. Then Penske merged the truck leasing division with General Electric. They came in with a different mindset. The conversation with the managers around the conference table went like this: "We think Kansas City is worth $10 million in revenue. Either the people around this table will get that or whoever sits at this table next will get it, but one way or another, we're going book $10 million in Kansas City". One maintenance manager objected with reasons why it would be impossible to get $10 million. Yea, he wasn't sitting in that chair for very long......   Guess what? We got the $10 million the next year.

I suspect Trump has looked at people in conference rooms and made statements like that and then made it happen. Your point is well made: Congress can't be fired, not easily anyway.

Trump is right of course. ObamaCare is a financial disaster. We can't have everything else the government does AND 'free' healthcare. Sew likes to point out other nations being able to do it, but other nations haven't obligated themselves to the massive unfunded liabilities we have.

Hey, lets be honest. I'd love to be able to remove any thought of financial pitfalls due to health issues completely out of my life. Who wouldn't? But I've also been involved in the ins and outs of running organizations for a long time and I know wishing don't get it done. Sooner or later, the rubber has to meet the road. ObamaCare is wishful thinking, pretending it's a solution when it's not. It is the epitome of kicking the can down the road.



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Reply #41 - 03/26/17 at 07:32:42
 
Bamicare = painting
Life Preserver on an anvil.
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Reply #42 - 03/26/17 at 07:35:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 03/26/17 at 07:10:41:
Sew likes to point out other nations being able to do it, but other nations haven't obligated themselves to the massive unfunded liabilities we have.

What?...  What is so uniquely different in America?...
Be specific.
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Reply #43 - 03/26/17 at 08:20:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/25/17 at 21:33:55:
No, lefties shoved Bamicare down our throats.
Everyone who had a brain opposed it.
What does having the purse string have to do with anything?
Explain that, okay?


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the con gress can tweak the  funding for the aca

purse strings = financial resources
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Reply #44 - 03/26/17 at 08:47:09
 
I'm not understanding exactly What congress would Tweak. People are not buying Bamicare,and those who are have been screwed by rising premiums, high deductibles,
imbalanced copay, leaving the consumer shafted. What's congress supposed to do?
What's the Bamicare bill's legal requirements that congress Can address? You just don't want to admit that you supported a turd because it was sold to us as a wonderfully tasty chocolate bar. Blame the bubs.. That's rich.
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