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Not sure if we can talk about oil
02/25/17 at 14:15:07

Just passed the 1k mark on my 2015 and had planned to do my own oil changes, especially since local Suzuki dealer charges $119.00/hour flat rate...

Had planned to use Suzuki 10w40 conventional with about 1 oz of Redline Zddp added during service, but I've decided to try some Motul 3000 10w40 instead. Can't seem to find out what the Zddp ppm rating for this oil is and wondered if any members may know. Also, any opinions or experiences using Motul would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17832 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #1 - 02/25/17 at 15:01:04 The folks who know and love their Savages......we use Rotella T. We know it works, we know that it has the needed ZDDP, and we know that there are no friction modifiers that can hurt the clutch. You can add a bit of Redline ZDDP if you want - but it probably doesn't need it.
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Reply #2 - 02/25/17 at 15:21:15

The Buster , Save your money, buy a manual or 2 , I have a Clymer & a factory one too. Very simple bike to do all your own maintenance. The most important thing to do right is installation of the oil filter correctly !!!
Put it wrong it will ruin the engine !!! Dealerships even screw it up , so pay attention!!! Others will chime in and tell you the same thing. It will go in either way !!! The hole in the filter must go inwards and you should be looking at the side with no hole before the cover goes on !!! If you don't understand how I described it ask us !!! Hate hearing about the results of a failed installation!!!

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Reply #3 - 02/25/17 at 17:30:21

The hardest thing about changing the oil yourself if 1. finding the drain plug, it looks like an engine casing bolt and it's not where you might expect it. Once you have successfully identified it, you can move on to the next most difficult part of the oil change, and that is working out that even though it's on the left side of the bike you access it from the right side. After that you're golden.

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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #4 - 02/25/17 at 18:27:44 As much as we push Rotella, why are people always trying to find an alternative?
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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2629 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #5 - 02/25/17 at 20:00:02 Kris01 wrote on 02/25/17 at 18:27:44: As much as we push Rotella, why are people always trying to find an alternative? Because it's inexpensive, therefore it can't be as good as the expensive oils with awesome marketing and fancy ad campaigns.
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kojones Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 223 Finland	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #6 - 02/26/17 at 02:44:05 Kris01 wrote on 02/25/17 at 18:27:44: As much as we push Rotella, why are people always trying to find an alternative? Because one can't find Rotella in Europe :'(
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17832 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #7 - 02/26/17 at 03:40:52 kojones wrote on 02/26/17 at 02:44:05: Kris01 wrote on 02/25/17 at 18:27:44: As much as we push Rotella, why are people always trying to find an alternative? Because one can't find Rotella in Europe :'( OK....exception noted. Buster is in Oklahoma......Rotella will be easy to find (and pay for) there.
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hotrod Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 326 NC Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #8 - 02/26/17 at 05:43:12 I use Rotella in everything; Mazda, Harley, Savage.
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5008 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #9 - 02/26/17 at 09:31:50 Oil wars make for great reading and arguments ! So have at it ! We enjoy the entertainment ! So do tell why your prefered oil is better than Rotella. I dare you !
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Reply #10 - 02/26/17 at 09:37:23

Ruttly wrote on 02/26/17 at 09:31:50:

Oil wars make for great reading and arguments ! So have at it ! We enjoy the entertainment ! So do tell why your prefered oil is better than Rotella.
I dare you !

Are you saying that NO ONE can make a better oil? Nothing else can ever come along? I guess there is no such thing as progress in your world!

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Reply #11 - 02/26/17 at 09:39:58

I went to Tractor Supply, the usual Rotella 15/40 , always there, spot. The T3 is now T 4,the lone quarts of T 3 are Five Bucks,,
Gallons of T4 are $13.00,
So, I looked and read and found no ZDDP numbers anywhere..
Questions to the learned..
Is the T4 gonna protect the cam as is or do I need to buy a bottle of Red Line?
If I need it, how much should I add to a gallon?
I would open a gallon, add, shake it up, or, do it however you guys say..

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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5008 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #12 - 02/26/17 at 09:50:31 I read here to just add 1 ounce of redline to the engine during the oil change.
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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #13 - 02/26/17 at 09:56:47

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 02/26/17 at 09:37:23:

Are you saying that NO ONE can make a better oil? Nothing else can ever come along? I guess there is no such thing as progress in your world!

Collectively, we've spent more time and effort in the selection of Rot T then you've been alive. Don't disrespect that.

But if you've found some new oil that promises to make Rot T look like sand, then we're all ears. Show us the oil spec's, show us the engine tests, show us that you've spent more than 1 minute talking to the stealership guy that this is the gold standard. Other than that...

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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5008 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #14 - 02/26/17 at 10:02:01 Peidmont , I need to prove nothing , if you think you have a better oil , you better be able to back it up. Progression has nothing to do with it , proving it does !
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