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Reply #30 - 02/03/16 at 17:11:13
 
What exactly did she do that broke the law?...
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Reply #31 - 02/03/16 at 18:26:45
 
Really? If you don't know, no one can tell you.
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Reply #32 - 02/03/16 at 18:43:18
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/03/16 at 17:11:13:
What exactly did she do that broke the law?...


1.) 18 U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
18 U.S. Code § 798 – Disclosure of classified information

A federal prosecutor would naturally focus first on the most serious allegations: willfully transmitting or willfully retaining Top Secret and Compartmented (TS/SCI) material using a private server system. The individual who transmits and the individual who receives and retains TS/SCI information on a private server jointly share the culpability for risking the compromise and exploitation of the information by hostile intelligence services. The prosecutor’s charging document would likely include felony counts under 18 U.S. Code § 793 and under 18 U.S. Code § 798 against each transmitting individual as well as separate counts against each receiving and retaining individual. Violation of either provision of the U.S. Code cited above is a felony with a maximum prison term of ten years.

The prohibited conduct is the insecure transmission of highly classified information, as well as the receipt and retention of highly classified information in an unapproved manner. The requisite mens rea is the willful commission of the prohibited conduct and the knowledge that compromised information could result in prejudice or injury to the United States or advantage to any foreign nation. Proof of intent to disclose the classified information is not required.

2.) U.S. Code § 1924 – Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

If the federal prosecutors are of a charitable disposition and an accused person has been cooperative, the felony charges under 18 U.S. Code § 793 and 18 U.S. Code § 798 may be “pled-down” to a single or to multiple misdemeanor counts under 18 U.S. Code § 1924. A misdemeanor conviction would probably result in a period of probation and a less significant fine. The prohibited conduct is the unauthorized removal of classified information from government control or its retention in an unauthorized location. The mens rea required is the intent to remove from government control or the intent to store the classified information in an unauthorized location.


3.) 18 U.S. Code § 2071(b) — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

To sustain a charge under 18 U.S. Code § 2071(b), a federal prosecutor need only prove that the accused transferred and held the only copies of official government records (whether classified or not), the very existence of which was concealed from government records custodians. The mens rea required is that an accused knows that official government records were transferred or removed from the control of government records custodians. Violation of 18 U.S. Code § 2071(b) is a felony with a maximum prison term of three years.

4.) 18 U.S. Code § 641 – Public money, property or records

Again, if the federal prosecutors are of a charitable disposition and accused has been cooperative, the felony charges under 18 U.S. Code § 2071(b) can be “pled down” to a misdemeanor under 18 U.S. Code § 641. The prohibited conduct is the conversion of official records (whether classified or not) to the accused’s exclusive use and the mens rea is simply the intent to do so. Conviction on the lesser misdemeanor charge would likely result in a period of probation and the imposition of a fine.

5.) 18 U.S. Code § 1505 – Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

If it can be proven that an accused destroyed, withheld, or concealed the existence of official records being sought under subpoena by a committee of Congress, the accused can be convicted of obstruction under 18 U.S. Code § 1505. The prohibited conduct includes destruction, concealment and withholding of documents, thereby impeding or obstructing the committee’s rightful pursuit of information. The mens rea is knowledge of the committee’s interest in obtaining the official records in the accused’s custody or control. Violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1505 is a felony with a maximum prison term of five years.

6.) 18 U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations

If it can be proven that an accused knowingly concealed the existence of official records being sought by the Department of State Inspector General (DOS/IG) or by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), such accused can be convicted of obstruction. The prohibited conduct is the concealment and withholding of documents that impede or obstruct an investigation. The mens rea is the intent to conceal or withhold. Violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1519 is a felony with a maximum prison term of twenty years.

7.) 18 U.S. Code § 1031 — Fraud against the United States
18 U.S. Code § 1343 – Fraud by wire, radio or television
18 U.S. Code § 1346 — Definition of “scheme or artifice to defraud”
18 U.S. Code § 371 – Conspiracy to defraud the United States

If it can be proven that an accused arranged for the Department of State to hire an Information Technology (IT) specialist to primarily administer and maintain a private server system owned by the accused, then the accused can be convicted of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud and probably wire fraud. The prohibited conduct is having the United States pay an employee salary and/or official travel funds for performing private services on behalf of accused. The mens rea is simply the knowledge of the employee’s status as a public servant and that the government was not fully reimbursed for the costs to the government of such services. The wire fraud conviction can be sought if it can be proven that accused used electronic means of communication in undertaking such scheme or artifice to defraud.

8.) 18 U.S. Code § 371 – Conspiracy to commit a federal offense

If any accused and any third party can be proven to have colluded in any violation of federal, criminal law, then all involved can be charged with criminal conspiracy as well as being charged with the underlying offense.

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Reply #33 - 02/03/16 at 21:42:59
 
...and,... do you seriously think, she "willfully" passed this info to the enemy?...
Private servers were perfectly legal... no info was passed... and, no laws were broken...
Do you honestly believe that she chose a private server, as part of a plot to secretly pass info to our enemies?...


There are politicians that I would not put it past...  Hillary is not one of them...

That some messages are now classed as Top Secret... has no bearing.
That private servers are no longer allowed... has no bearing, either...

Can you hear how stupid this sounds?...

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Reply #34 - 02/04/16 at 13:16:19
 
I guess Hellery's instruction to an underling to remove the "top secret" header doesn't count cause she's a women and couldn't possibly really understood what that meant.
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Reply #35 - 02/04/16 at 14:04:59
 
Do you honestly believe that she chose a private server, as part of a plot to secretly pass info to our enemies?...

No. I don't think any reasonable person beliefs that; I know I don't.

But do you think General Petraeus gave the notebooks with classified information on them to his lover so she would pass them on to the enemy? No, I don't think that and I don't believe you think that either.
He was 'showing off' to his girlfriend. Still, a ton of bricks came down on him.

Hilary did what she did because she thinks the laws apply to others, not her. A ton of bricks should come down on her too.

The question I would ask her if as president, if one of her underlings did the same thing she did, would she get rid of them? I think the answer is yes.

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Reply #36 - 02/04/16 at 15:33:00
 
That's a better argument,... but,.. "what she did"?...
Versy says she instructed her underling to remove Top Secret header... Where is this info from?...
I haven't heard it.

I'd be interested in the Who, What, Where, and Why of this...

EDIT.. never mind... found the source.
Just need to read up.  See what it's all about.
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Reply #37 - 02/04/16 at 18:37:33
 
The point is Petraeus was prosecuted for an act that while different than what Hilary did, how much different is the question.

Taken together with her other acts (i.e. lying through her teeth about Bengazi, Watergate, Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, and on and on and on.....), she can't be president.

Besides, her biggest problem (and she's got a lot of them) is no one likes her. If you were interviewing people for a job and you had to work with them everyday, why would you hire her? She's really never accomplished anything to speak of and she's not a likable person.

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Reply #38 - 02/04/16 at 21:26:43
 
read a snip powell used his for classified material
this just keeps getting better
too bad Nixon didn't have a cell phone
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Reply #39 - 02/05/16 at 09:08:40
 
When does GW get out of prison?... Undecided

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
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The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been lost.

The administration officials had been using a private Internet domain, called gwb43.com, owned by and hosted on an email server run by the Republican National Committee, for various communications of unknown content or purpose.
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Reply #40 - 02/05/16 at 09:41:57
 
next election we'll find out that both sides now have their own snapchat domains.
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Reply #41 - 02/05/16 at 10:30:05
 
The real crime is, I don't even know what Snapchat is... Undecided
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Reply #42 - 02/05/16 at 19:51:23
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/05/16 at 10:30:05:
The real crime is, I don't even know what Snapchat is... Undecided

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Reply #43 - 02/05/16 at 21:11:02
 
When will people mature , err, gr o w Up, and realize that


Finding evidence of misdeeds in the Other Party that went unpunished

DOESN'T MEAN YOUR PARTY IS NOT ALSO CRIMINAL.

Both sides suck.
She CAN'T be indicted. She knows too much. Republicans are BEGGING Obama and the Justice department to Leave her ALONE.

And talk about a Bitter Clinger. She is such a Bitter old broad, screeching and cackling,,who would WANT it in the same country, much less Running it?
But she's next. So get ready. It's gonna go full metal jacket retard.

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Reply #44 - 02/05/16 at 21:21:15
 
If she wins, it'll be slower progress than with Bernie...  ... but, any movement forward, is better than backward...

You do understand,... if you back up, you just have to follow the same path again?... (time, only has two directions... any forks are just temporary diversion )...
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