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Reply #60 - 12/31/15 at 19:58:56
 
Okay, but I am not down with regulation.
But, I'll lay regulation aside for now. A simple
I agree prostitution should be legal
Or
Prostitution should not be legal
And, if you can, a short
Why it should not be legal.

I'm Hoping to see intellectual responses, not stuff like

I can't even consider making prostitution legal, what if a relative did it?

It's not about You,or some horror you might feel IF a relative did it,  it's about freedom.
Abortion is legal.

Ohh, No! What if a relative does it?!?!

Ohh, No! Same sex marriage is legal,,  
What IF?


Why should the government care if someone rents out a chunk of their body for an hour, a week, or, a lifetime.?


How is it possible to agree with everything else, yet disagree with renting out your body?
I'm shocked at the left Not jumping on this, supporting it.
And the aquiescent right, pro business, pro industry, what is the problem?
I'm truly surprised at the responses.

Now, without the back and forth between each of you,
Tell me what you think, please.

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Reply #61 - 12/31/15 at 20:12:06
 
Legal prostitution ?   I'll make a wild a$$ assumption and assume that we're  discussing sexual prostitution versus moral, ethical, political, etc. prostitution .
In many places where it is legal, such as in Nevada (except Clark and Washoe counties) or overseas (Amsterdam), regulations require frequent health inspections.  That does make it slightly safer than areas where a "john" may end up with undesired consequences up to and including a trip to the medical examiner due to stab wounds, blunt instruments etc.     Of course prostitution exist on many levels. From the "eye candy" hanging on the high roller's arm, the porn star to the addict turning tricks to support their habit....               I do not regard it as a "victim less" crime. VD, pimps, drug trafficking, and are a few of the side effects.  It is a dirty, degrading business for all involved.  
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Reply #62 - 01/01/16 at 08:57:50
 
I'm staying out of the other crap other than to say I just thought Ray was a bit disproportional in his response. I've got no problem with  calling a spade a spade. As you know, I think Hovis is a major Richard for acting as grammar Nazi but I've promised some time ago I would behave a little better in the interest of dialoged.

...but I digress.

Rachel Ward as Domino in Sharky's Machine when she turns around at the door to look at Burt Reynolds. Wars have probably been started over woman who look like that....

...which is the point. There are practically no whores who look like that. The ones that do are $500 a pop and they won't look that way for long. Legalized prostitution everywhere won't mean smoking hot babes for $15. it will be advertised like that, but it won't deliver. It's like the casino commercials you see on TV. There are very few drop dead looking 25 years olds dressed in skimpy see thru dresses drinking cocktails and being friendly to everyone. Casinos are full old blue haired ladies spending their dead husbands 401k one nickel at a time and most everyone is dressed like they are taking out the trash at home before bed. I've been to Vegas probably 6 times in 2015 and it's always the same.

the last sleeper who propositioned me was a slightly overweight, smelly young black girl desperate for money in a hotel in downtown Milwaukee. That's what you'll get with legalized prostitution.

Remember, in a world where a couple of bakers get sued out of existence because they didn't want to make a wedding cake for a couple of militant lesbos, your daughters, grand daughters and nieces won't be able to turn down clients cause they don't like them. Just picture your little girl getting tag teamed by a couple fat Alabama Bubbas who keep there hats and boots on and tell me you're okay with that "cause it's regulated".

Sex is different. Sex always has consequences.
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Reply #63 - 01/01/16 at 09:03:36
 
Sharky's Machine... great movie.  Burt's best.
Ward's voice melts butter... Kiss
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Reply #64 - 01/01/16 at 09:13:14
 
JOG, I'm not going to take sides just yet.

Mark has a good argument. Things can get nasty. However, Mark I challenge you to consider the argument from consistency that may have been mentioned here before. Remember that abortion is also legal in this country, and that can cause a great deal of emotional distress. So, if one nasty thing should be legal, then why not another? Do you want your girl getting an abortion?

So, shall we make prostitution legal, or shall we make abortion illegal? Perhaps society should make up its mind. Tongue
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Reply #65 - 01/01/16 at 09:28:12
 
Jog.....

I got the thrust of your question when you posed it.
You are trying to understand why the left says they are pro women w/ their stance/argument, that its their body, re: abortion, yet they allow the laws against prostitution govern these same women on this sex matter.

It's simple dude, they see it as a loser that would cost them votes.
Nothing more to it than that.
You see/saw how they abandon women who bring charges of sexual misconduct against Willie, yet drag Clearance Thomas through the grinder over sexual talk.
Not one mention of rape against him, yet....

Its all about what they think will empower them ( the politician ) issues really are only a tool. Nothing more.
You saw how Senator Obama was against raising the debt ceiling, etc, then in office said it was ok, and lashed out at those who now found themselves against it.
Ditto Hillary, it was cool and patriotic to speak against Dubya, but against Her and Bo, you become a divisive obstructionist that ruins this country....
This is why you will never get a straight answer to a question buddy.
I think you know this already  Grin

I will answer you question however, strictly on merit, aside from my "beliefs".

We already have legalized and regulated prostitution.
It is called sex surrogate, and it is mostly used under the medical/psychological banner.

I see no reason why it could not expand in the hopes it might help some, with sexual addictions, get their fix without having to support an otherwise seamy business fraught with all sorts of baggage.

As with anything of this sort of nature, it would produce new problems presently unrealized. It would be up to the regulating agencies to address these matters as they arise.
It is sorta like legalizing bars. We are saying its OK to drink, yet, most folk have to drive there. Now when they leave, well, you get my point, we have now just set up a scenario for unintended consequences, on totally innocent folks.

One thing that comes to mind with making sex legal, is the emotional attachment to "love" that many bridge under the same root of their persona.
Sorta of like how VETS get PTSD from combat, or some in the medical field, who deal with death daily, become desensitized to it in order to survive the emotional conflict of their job, which often exhibits itself elsewhere in a release, like alcohol or drug addictions/abuse ( I know some MD's personally that have battled this effect ).      

So buddy, I hope I have answered your question.
It is a societal equation, not moral, that folk need to weigh.
Does it produce more societal benefits, than it does negatives?

That is the question, eh?    Grin
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Reply #66 - 01/01/16 at 09:57:53
 
I think you're wrong, Dawg...
I don't see any Leftist opposition to legalization...
Opposition is on the religious/moral Right...

Not that it's a forefront issue, but,... the strongest voices on the Left would be feminists calling for protections and decriminalization for prostitutes...  
This is a "Moral Majority", "700 Club" type issue... That's where the opposition is loudest.
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Reply #67 - 01/01/16 at 10:31:42
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/01/16 at 09:57:53:
I think you're wrong, Dawg...
I don't see any Leftist opposition to legalization...
Opposition is on the religious/moral Right...

Not that it's a forefront issue, but,... the strongest voices on the Left would be feminists calling for protections and decriminalization for prostitutes...  
This is a "Moral Majority", "700 Club" type issue... That's where the opposition is loudest.


Bot, I think you are reading Jogs original question wrong.
To me I read it as a "why is the left ok with the "it's a woman's body" argument ( which on its own is weak )  but ask why its not extended to the pro prostitution stance, removing women from the stigma of, and penalties  that befall them?
Of course your reference to the moral majority is correct, but moot, as they are consistent on their "moral" arguments against both prostitution and abortion.

You assume the left would be ....... supportive, but again, you have put the cart in front of the horse.
The question is as I understand it, "why haven't they"? yet.
Women are the ones who carry the burdens of crime,  on the present situation, why is this not a concern that gets ink?

I believe its a loser for them, or, they in fact are morally against it, as a party platform the way abortion is used to swat the right as what they believe pulls women voters into their camp.
I can see no other reason as to why, and I believe that was the spirit upon which Jog posed the question.

Feel free to explain why they choose one, under a certain reasoning, yet ignore another social issue that is very similar in nature and ramifications?

I'd like to hear it.....

 
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Reply #68 - 01/01/16 at 10:55:38
 
raydawg wrote on 01/01/16 at 10:31:42:
Bot, I think you are reading Jogs original question wrong.
To me I read it as a "why is the left ok with the "it's a woman's body" argument ( which on its own is weak )  but ask why its not extended to the pro prostitution stance, removing women from the stigma of, and penalties  that befall them? 

I reread it...
No mention of the "Left"... no mention of "it's a woman's body"...
Simply,.. he's for it on Libertarian grounds... and most civilized countries are for it... (an unusual justification for JOG)...

(these same countries are anti gun, pro choice, and have a Nationalized health system)...

Beats me,... but I don't see a political differential in the OP question...
... on the issue itself... you are barking up the wrong tree...
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Reply #69 - 01/01/16 at 10:56:06
 
Not that it's a forefront issue, but,... the strongest voices on the Left would be feminists calling for protections and decriminalization for prostitutes...  
This is a "Moral Majority", "700 Club" type issue... That's where the opposition is loudest.


I'm neither of those types. Fact is, your impression of those types is what the NYT, CNN and MSNBC tell you, but their understanding is no where near reality. I know many of those 'types' and they would argue against you until the cows came home but if you can to them for help, they'd hand it over. TV shows, nightly news always show the few wachos and try to make it seem like they are the majority, but I promise you, that is not the case. You argue that Muslims are unfairly characterized by the actions of a few; I suggest you apply that towards Christians.

I think every father of a daughter or grand daughter should be against this. If you fall into that category and you're not opposed to this, you should seriously be ashamed of yourself.

There will be no careful regulation, there will be no protection for the girls (and they will be girls). Affluent liberals who have girls will treat this like they do abortion and inner city gun deaths: "my girl will likely never be faced with this" so to them it will be an academic thought process, a partisan issue. They'll side with whomever The Today Show, Jimmy Fallon or TV sitcoms tell them to side with.

Liberal Christians will for the most part, do the same. They don't want to argue or take a vocal stand on anything;  that's why their liberal.
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Reply #70 - 01/01/16 at 11:07:52
 
WebsterMark wrote on 01/01/16 at 10:56:06:
They don't want to argue or take a vocal stand on anything;  that's why their liberal.

You accuse Liberals of non-stop punditry from Hollywood, the media, the arts, and higher education... then say, they won't take a vocal stand on anything?... that's why their liberal?...

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Reply #71 - 01/01/16 at 11:16:24
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/01/16 at 10:55:38:
raydawg wrote on 01/01/16 at 10:31:42:
Bot, I think you are reading Jogs original question wrong.
To me I read it as a "why is the left ok with the "it's a woman's body" argument ( which on its own is weak )  but ask why its not extended to the pro prostitution stance, removing women from the stigma of, and penalties  that befall them? 

I reread it...
No mention of the "Left"... no mention of "it's a woman's body"...
Simply,.. he's for it on Libertarian grounds... and most civilized countries are for it... (an unusual justification for JOG)...

(these same countries are anti gun, pro choice, and have a Nationalized health system)...

Beats me,... but I don't see a political differential in the OP question...
... on the issue itself... you are barking up the wrong tree...


Let me try this bot......

Does the democrat party favor prostitution, yes or no?

If no, why?

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Reply #72 - 01/01/16 at 11:22:08
 
" after further review the play on the field stands is called"
liberal Christians fit that description perfectly.

Ray, I'm not aware of any liberal politicians, at least on a national level, taking a stance on legalizing prostitution. I think that is an issue they would run away from us quickly as they could until they were forced to confront it like what happen with gay marriage. Remember,  up to the  day before for the last midterm elections, Obama had the exact same position on gay marriage as all the Republicans had.  it was only after getting his a$$ kicked and did he have his "revolution" or whatever BS he called it.
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Reply #73 - 01/01/16 at 11:39:25
 
Yes or no?...

My point here is, I don't think the issue falls along distinctly political lines... Right or Left...
I don't speak for the Democratic Party... do you speak for the Republican Party?...
I see no stats or polls pointing either way...

I believe JOG is correct in saying the Constitution does not support criminalization.
I also personally believe there are fewer cons than pros to legalization...

That is not favoring prostitution... just as "pro-choice" is not favoring abortion...  or "pro-gun" is not favoring killing...

A stance on the legal right to do something is not condoning it.. it's just saying we as a nation have no right to criminalize it.

If decriminalization were put up to a national vote,... I believe the opposition would be stronger from the Right than the Left...

Prohibition didn't work... the war on drugs didn't work... criminalizing the sex trade hasn't worked...

That is my opinion... I'm sure you won't be satisfied with it...  
...but I think JOG will...
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Reply #74 - 01/01/16 at 11:46:30
 
WebsterMark wrote on 01/01/16 at 10:56:06:
Not that it's a forefront issue, but,... the strongest voices on the Left would be feminists calling for protections and decriminalization for prostitutes...  
This is a "Moral Majority", "700 Club" type issue... That's where the opposition is loudest.


I'm neither of those types. Fact is, your impression of those types is what the NYT, CNN and MSNBC tell you, but their understanding is no where near reality. I know many of those 'types' and they would argue against you until the cows came home but if you can to them for help, they'd hand it over. TV shows, nightly news always show the few wachos and try to make it seem like they are the majority, but I promise you, that is not the case. You argue that Muslims are unfairly characterized by the actions of a few; I suggest you apply that towards Christians.

I think every father of a daughter or grand daughter should be against this. If you fall into that category and you're not opposed to this, you should seriously be ashamed of yourself.

There will be no careful regulation, there will be no protection for the girls (and they will be girls). Affluent liberals who have girls will treat this like they do abortion and inner city gun deaths: "my girl will likely never be faced with this" so to them it will be an academic thought process, a partisan issue. They'll side with whomever The Today Show, Jimmy Fallon or TV sitcoms tell them to side with.

Liberal Christians will for the most part, do the same. They don't want to argue or take a vocal stand on anything;  that's why their liberal.


Is there any protection for the girls now?

Will it be worse then? Maybe? That underage stuff is already illegal and will probably stay illegal regardless of legal prostitution. Maybe it will be easier to get a foot in the door, so to speak. On the other hand, with regulations and commonly known standards, they might get more protection. Just imagine when everyone knows to look for a certificate, identification, or license on the wall.

The future of this kind of thing may be unpredictable.
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