Drestakil,

I don't know if ANY form of shutdown stops MS any more.  When you dual boot you give MS control of the root (boot) partition and they DO things to it that makes MS "live" and downloading and torrenting at all times even when you are running Linux or Steam.

You let MS on your machine and they really do try to own it ....

If you are data capped in any fashion, look to your bills to see uncontrolled MS "torrent" activity showing up there.

Use Linux to look at your Linux partition and you will find large chunks of MS stuff showing up there shortly in hidden folders.

"MS loves Linux" and has learned how to invade and hide inside a Linux set up.   The only set up that EXCLUDES MS is a pure 100% Linux machine on a raped and scraped hard drive and I am no longer sure they cannot figure a way to worm into that through a MS company software that you choose to install in Linux.

For example, if you use SKYPE on Linux --- surprise, lookie what you find on your linux partition now as hidden folders -- the full .NET enchilada.

You could state it this way.   "Microsoft loves Linux" because it is free and open and can be manipulated with hidden folders and such pretty much "freely".

Blow your mind time, Linus doesn't care if they do that, up until the point they actually use some lines of Linux code inside some MS programs in which case the FOSS license kicks in and that particular entire MS program structure becomes FOSS and MS loses it all to open source ......

This has happened once in one MS server software and indeed FOSS sued and took them over and the program became open source.   Wasn't very good software and didn't get used for much, but a few folks got some benefit out of it.

MS has been very careful since then.   MS can use Linux programs (kept whole and separate) just like anybody can. But if they get caught taking Linux code and incorporating it inside their software, well, it is sorta like injecting yourself with cancer cells -- it takes you over and you become the cancer.

Poor MS, life is so hard when everybody sorta cordially hates you for what your rapacious founder did in years past ...... and they all cooperate with each other, too, which makes it even worse.


   

http://fortune.com/2015/07/28/intel-micron-memory/

http://liliputing.com/2015/10/western-digital-to-acquire-sandisk-for-19-billi...

https://www.sandisk.com/about/media-center/press-releases/2015/sandisk-and-hp...


I mentioned that Sandisk and Hp and Sandisk and Toshiba were teaming together to bring out 1 terabyte NON-VOLATILE flash memory drives that are a thousand times faster than flash memory sticks or hard drives, and that this would spell the end of hard drive companies.

Western Digital decided it didn't want to die just now, so they have announced a plan to BUY Sandisk outright for 19 billion dollars.

I look to see other hard drive companies and PC builders either try to buy Sandisk outright themselves or to try to make a consortium out of the purchase/consolidation as the new "memristor" memory tech is COMPELLINGLY better than old memory or old hard drive or old flash drive techs.

We are talking systems memory speeds that are non-volatile and that can affordably scale up to a terabyte very easily.

Think of a PC or a phone with a terabyte of systems memory ......

..... game changer, huh?


Remember please that Intel and Micron are also teamed together to see if they can ring the bell first.   And that HP and Sandisk are teamed as well, as are Sandisk and Toshiba.  

Lots of money is available to build that first plant and get them pending patents actualized.  

Why is Intel trying to create a similar thing with Micron?   Well, both feel sorta left out right now, and very very threatened by the pending changes.



Lastly for Intel and for Microsoft to sweat over is this little nugget ......

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/533066/hp-will-release-a-revolutionary-n...

Yup, a HP operating system that actually uses the copious amounts of new memory in an intelligent fashion.    Only a supercomputer type Linux has ever had or has actually ever used this level of FAST memory before.

The new "memristor" memory is just that vital and compelling to the computing industry and it will cause massive disruption very quickly.

OF, i'm thinking the versions of MS before windows7 won't be affected, they just won't let you use the key to go to Win10.
This I know for fact now, you can upgrade windows 7, windows 8 and 8.1, but anything before that will most likely not be able to run the new windows 10.
I was one of the insiders and got to play with the "upgrade" on the little laptop (2Ghz CPU and 4 meg RAM). I was not "guaranteed" to keep my version if my laptop dumped (bouncing around in the back of my wife's bike fried the HD), which did happen and I had to reload my copy of Vista home.
My son upgraded to Win 10 with a bootleg copy of windows 7 (don't know where he got it) and tried to go back to the copy of win 7 when he was dissatisfied with win 10, it would not let him.
He had to have his "key", he called me, I gave him some old keys (legal ones I had purchased) from past discs (XP and Vista keys).... when he tried, the error was "you must have a windows 7 or higher version key".
So i'm thinking MS is just going to stop supporting anything older than windows 7, and let them fall between the cracks, and suggest you buy a newer system.
I still find it unbelievable that MS is dumping any kind of support for systems they are "liable" for. Legally they are still responsible for your systems if they are the proprietary owners of the software, and that is why I thought that was the reason behind the "free windows 10 upgrade", so that they could nullify all those old systems. It has to be in the legal speak somewhere in the software contracts that if the system can no longer handle "upgrades" they (MS) are not liable.
After all, they can't put a Lotus carb on your Smart car.....so to speak.

Art, its all about "DATA"... how much you use through your phone can up your costs.

With my Verizon phone, I can watch football games live... but one game can take up my whole 3 gigs worth of data for the month.

Linux can run faster than windows via tethering.... and actually uses your windows settings to connect. I put mint 15 on an old PC here and used a dual boot setup (the Linux setup asked if I wanted to load it alongside windows) (don't let Linux delete windows or replace it).

You can stick the mint 16 disk in your drive and hit the escape key, and tell it to "boot to cd rom", and just run Linux from the cd rom itself, and it will not even install on your PC, it will use your windows net settings to log onto the internet.

I am not sure how it will handle tethering as I've never had to deal with that (but have read it does nicely), but still, just run Linux off of your cd to see how you like it.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/606243/Windows-10-Micr...




Just read it. --  Satya couldn't get Cortana (after three tries no less) to work correctly during a televised presentation and he stopped trying and gave up on it, rolling on with his slides and presentation spiel.

Trusted Reviews is starting a multi-part review on Windows 10 ..... I think they have bitten off more than they can chew with that 8 of 10 rating that they initially gave to Windows 10 ......

http://www.trustedreviews.com/windows-10-review-stability-performance-and-ver...

What is interesting here is the heavy stream of user comments listed immediately below the "Trusted Review" page -- these Trusted Review contributors are being MERCILESS and very accurate in what they say about their own experiences and they want to know how THEY as a group ever managed to give Win 10 "an 8 out of 10 rating" by analyzing their feedback.

This goes along with the Pollyanna effect that MS always seems to seek out of its paid reviewers -- you will only hear the good stuff, until you read the comments down at the bottom that is.

Some feedback from Nvidia and AMD and several other card vendors -- they are slow to say they have anything other than a "preliminary Win 10 driver" because Win 10 keeps moving around and scooting out from under them.    

Or, saying this way, the driver that worked fine last week doesn't work this week because MS changed something.

So, it is Catch 22 all the way -- you can' get a good Win 10 experience because the drivers aren't stable and you can't get a stable driver because Win 10 keeps moving around all the time.

And nobody is going to go back in time 6-8 years to work their older stuff and waste their effort writing a driver until Win 10 is done changing (goes through its 3 planned major revisions).

Satya's plump baby boy has a built in stability Catch 22, looks like.   And this is scheduled to last beyond the free upgrade time frame.    

People are getting fatigued dealing with Win 10's erratic nature.





HP threatening to come out with a Linux based "Memristor OS" is a very viable threat right now, especially if Gabe at Steam and Linus himself make strong commitments to support it completely.  

Gobs of lightning fast memristor memory will change computing in very large ways, especially if the OS can actually handle that much systems style memory to make a lickety split fast STABLE user experience when playing the most modern games.


      ...... he who controls gaming has much to say about what goes on,  right?