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Reply #60 - 05/30/15 at 08:42:13
 
If I was a young guy who lived there I'd be all over that.
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Reply #61 - 05/30/15 at 10:41:18
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/30/new-result-of-anomalous-heat-production-...

New Result of Anomalous Heat Production in Hydrogen-loaded Metals at High Temperature” New Report by Songsheng Jiang of the China Institute of Atomic Energy (CIAE)

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267085905/New-Result-on-Anomalous-Heat-Production-...    ..... it is a link, click on it ....

"Summary:

The anomalous heat production in the Ni+LiAlH4 fuels has been observed repeatedly. The heat production can be controlled by input power and can last for a long time. The T2 temperature placed on the outer surface of the fuel cell is about 405oC greater than the T1 temperature, T1 is placed on the outer surface of the reaction chamber and near the heater. An estimate power of excess heat is about 600 W. The ratio of excess heat of 600 W to input power of 780 W is 0.77. Considering self-sustaining effect, the input power might be significantly decreased if a chopper supply can be used to keep excess heat production. How to calculate the ratio of total produced heat energy to electrical input energy remains a question in present work. The consumption of nickel container and Ni + LiAl4 powders is checked to be less than 1 g after experiment. The calculated energy density is 4 orders of magnitude greater than the value of gasoline.

Therefore, the origin of excess heat cannot be explained by any chemical energy. The isotope abundances of nickel and lithium in the fuels after experiment will be analyzed by mass spectrometry technique. A further experiment will be carried out."


Justin, they are all over it, world-wide, multiple countries.   I now count 4 real separate distinct new style reactors which have all gone over 1.0 COP and have maintained themselves until turned off intentionally.  

In all cases I trust the technical goodness of the controls and the data collection that were there, and the over unity COP was run long enough to preclude any chemical source.



Smiley     ==============================================================



The MFMP team are going to need to learn to AUTOMATE their data collection to a higher degree -- having people to have to stay awake for days on end to transfer stuff to spreadsheets by hand is ludicrous.

Next, messing around with .3 grams of powder when everyone else is reporting off a full gram puts somewhat of a kink in the same-as same-as results.    I understand them not wanting to do yet another melt down and wanting to SLOW the rise rate down,  but that needs to be accomplished technically, not by mini-sizing the reaction mass.

Still knowledge is being gained. 
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Reply #62 - 05/30/15 at 19:57:18
 
Most who were making history didn't know they were when they were. These few must know.Will TPTB allow it to come to fruition and unburden the people from the cost of energy? Given that the promising early results actually Can be upscale d and controlled....
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Reply #63 - 06/04/15 at 06:28:35
 

New Stuff that has become known (or suspected) in the last 2 weeks

The anomalous heat production in the Ni+LiAlH4 fuels has been observed repeatedly.

The Chinese are lighting off 20 grams of powder (20 times the charge the Americans are using in their experiments) using just plain common mechanically ground fairly coarsely nickel powder,  LiAlH4 and simple hydrogen gas supplied from a small tank.  

It works.   They can re-start it.   Because it is a relatively large amount of "crude" nickel, it builds temp slowly and is easier to control, but because it is large the temperature spikes during events are larger as well.

They are controlling the reaction using DC power to a simple thick nichrome heater coil.   The automotive implications of what they are doing is VERY clear -- they are shooting for a car sized (or generator sized) relatively low pressure "wet steam" power generator.

In China, paid research is always aimed at a purpose -- and this successful series of tests will move forward into variable load research ASAP.

A steady load will run a generator, a variable load would be able to deal with a car type application.

The Arab Oil people are predicting their oil export market will end by next century, either by the oil being all gone or there being no market to sell the stuff.  

Guess which one they'll pick .....


Wink     ..... welcome to the new age of Steam punk .....
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Reply #64 - 06/04/15 at 07:39:56
 
Hybrid vehicles hit a max of 3% market share and are decreasing in favor of all electric.  So I would guess the trend would continue, any new tech will get a 3% market share until with more importantly a trend to total conversion to LENR tech until a tech winner is determined.  All the hybrids that have a small gas engine will convert/retrofit immediately.
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Reply #65 - 06/05/15 at 05:53:36
 

Research the Stanley Steamer on YouTube, this tech was completely understood in the 20's and 30's and technically implemented in the 40's using fairly modern tech.

The road steamers had a crank counter shaft not much smaller than the wheels, a single cylinder and NO TRANSMISSION other than a reverse gear.

Folks are playing with little bitty low pressure steam turbines now, but they are not as power efficient as steam piston units can be.  

A point here that the Chinese seem to be acting upon can be stated as  ..... when energy is "free" you don't have to be efficient,  all is required is that you can control it well and you have a "dump method" for a run-away melt down in case of a uh-o.

I suspect that the early Chinese domestic use units will have safety shut offs, etc and a modular construction such that if it goes south the reactor can melt its way to the pavement (and beyond) without taking the entire car with it.

But in America, we won't get the tech in our cars until it is a lot better understood and considered to be safe.

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Reply #66 - 06/05/15 at 06:43:32
 
Sadly, if it can't be made idiot proof, legal liabilities will keep it unavailable.
Look at lawnmowers, get off, motor dies, put in reverse, blades engaged, dies, foot on pedal or no start... your bike, you've gotta hold the brake down to get outta park on the car.

I had always driven old stuff and standards and got a job with a company truck. It sure was embarrassing asking how to put it in reverse.
My foot was Ready to hit the brake, I just didn't see why aa motionless vehicle needed for the brake pedal to be pushed.
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Reply #67 - 06/05/15 at 09:23:58
 

You guys do understand that submarines are going to get totally redone (much smaller) and that every country will be able to afford a non-nuclear silent attack sub now.

You also know why Rossi was stalled so for his patent long and why Uncle Sam doesn't seem interested (yet evidence of at least 3 programs through DARPA or NASA are showing up at the edges of things and why the US Navy bought one of Rossi's first container plants (pre-Industrial Heat) which then went black and was never heard from again).

Subs are serious business .....   so are carrier and war ship power plants in general.
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Reply #68 - 06/05/15 at 11:24:31
 
Well, that's good news And bad news at the same time.
They either see it as promising and powerful enough to be useful or at least worthy of wasting taxpayer money on.
Hopefully they won't try to take the fact that they are working to develop it and declare it a matter of national security and halt public access and experimentation.
I'm cynical enough to envision a time when such a great boon to society would be withheld. Imagine the
Lobbying ,,,coff,coff
by the oil ,coal and electricity generation companies.
I don't see it made available to American s.
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Reply #69 - 06/05/15 at 11:49:39
 
Subs are currently sized to house missiles, so many will remain huge.
And I thought most attack subs currently are diesel/electric.
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Missiles are now solid fueled and are quite small, they can launch out a torpedo tube now (as can a current cruise missile).     Just go into a very sharp nose incline position and fire as you get close to the surface of the water ....  the booster rocket will punch through 100 feet of water and put the missile 50 feet up into the air before the main missile engine ignites and rockets on off.

   
This is a new attack sub being built by India, note the 8 torp tubes, mounted high on the fusilage.

Our attack subs are nuclear electric, as were the Russians.   There is a new class of fuel cell electric subs being built by Norway, etc that are intended for coastal defense.   LENR electric subs would be a long range class of subs that wouldn't have to carry the weight penalty of all that fission radiation shielding.   All our subs had between 2 and four fission reactors (redundancy for maintenance, etc) but a LENR system might have readily replaceable "plug in" cores that could be changed out at sea if need be.    

Our old big boomers were built huge to hold MUCH larger long distance missiles (held vertically) as that was the size and type of the tech back then.   Also a boomer hides far far away in water that is not swept by the opposing navy, while an attack sub is close in to the combat and can pop a limited range ballistic (or a cruise) from much closer in.   Less distance, less missile is required.

We should worry about people being able to pop us from close in using much less expensive newer tech.
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Reply #71 - 06/06/15 at 09:56:22
 
Thanks for the submarine lesson. I had no idea.
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Reply #72 - 06/06/15 at 16:00:32
 

It ain't just subs any more, anything with 15 feet of spare deck space can do this ......   a good sized ski boat could do it, or a smuggling type boat or any large cabin cruiser could be modified to drop a hatch open and do this.   They can be air dropped from a plane, jest open the back hatch and kick 'er on out the door --- scary, ain't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUrMatBdN0     ..... it is a video, click on it .....

All the tube launched ballistic missiles are actually smaller than what comes out of the torpedo tube, the torpedo casing then cocks up and rocket propels the missile up into the air where it ignites and takes off for real .....

Payload, a Hiroshima sized implosion thermonuclear device (or bigger) can be held in your two hands now.

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Reply #73 - 06/06/15 at 16:10:10
 
Payload, a Hiroshima sized implosion thermonuclear device (or bigger) can be held in your two hands now.


That's what I think is scary.
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Reply #74 - 06/07/15 at 07:46:47
 
suicide bomber with 'backpack nuke' used to be a thing in fiction, now it's doable for rills
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