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Reply #15 - 03/02/15 at 19:23:25
 




Yep, that little slug of nickel powder got HOT -- so hot it took out the double thickness ceramic tube from quick onset thermal stress.  

Run-aways are not considered a failure when you are this early on, it shows you got too much heat produced in too short of a time, not just a bunch of nuttin' this time around but way way too much of something that came on real real fast.

Now that you got it, you can now learn how to slow it down .....

Good news from the Parkhomov test is the broken reactor tube costs about $10 and all of the expensive pieces (the tube heater, resistance wire, etc.) were unharmed and remain intact for the next test.



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Reply #16 - 03/05/15 at 07:10:24
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/05/close-up-of-a-melted-parkhomov-reactor/

Closeup of a Melted Parkhomov Reactor



Rossi always said he spent over a year melting the puppies down before he figured out how to control the reaction ......

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Reply #17 - 03/18/15 at 04:26:49
 


Since the last post there have been 4 brand new Parkhomov replications all ending in a meltdown in 4 different labs scattered across the globe.   In all cases, the puppy lit up and showed excess energy while slowly ramping up into an uncontrolled melt down event.  

(this is melting alumina ceramic, which takes some melting, believe me)

The scientific community now believes it is possible and is batting around theories and is trying to control it.    Rossi simply says he spent a year and a half melting stuff down before he learned to control it .....

We got one set of guys heating theirs up in a tube oven and running 2 tests simultaneously testing different mixtures to see if they can come up with something controllable.   They are ordering monitoring equipment to run 4 tests at a time.  

We got another set of guys using a clear quartz tube so they can slo mo record the melt down event and try to understand the progression and stages if possible -- the quartz tube is trashed per recording experiment, but so would be an opaque alumina ceramic tube.

The race is on.   Knowledge is being shared on the internet.

The USPatentOffice has final denied Rossi's Patent Application flatly stating he hasn't got a process according to the information in his application.  Rossi is either going to have to spell out his technique completely or the stuff goes open source as WAY TOO MANY have competing claims and some of the old ones claim "prior art" at this point, and as soon as a FOSS technique is described on line anyway it becomes unpatentable.

FACT:   all attempts I have seen at all are hot cat style Rossi copies.    FACT:  Rossi's steam cat uses a different set up and different tech and works at a completely different temperature range and he has never shared any info on the steam cat, ever.   Rossi may yet patent his steam technique as that is the only thing he has fully developed and can prove is "only his".

Right now Rossi is going to go commercial with the steam cat, maintaining his secrecy as his secret mix and steam control system is the only tech he still has under his sole control.

I suspect all the people working on hot cat LENR will come up with yet a new way to control the reaction as they are also developing a theory to match what they discover and may wind up understanding it better than Rossi does now.

IT IS THEORIZED that Rossi tossed the "unworkable" hot cat over to the Lugano boys to do his public demonstration with as he had run out of ideas to control the hot cat process at high COP values ---  and he could only run it controllably at all at the  "just barely running stage" under constant excitement as the Lugano test was done.

However, Rossi got surprised by the post run test results on the Lugano run powder since he had expected elemental copper changes to take place and instead the lithium and aluminum and other lower atomic level elements got turned into upper isotope nickel-- and there WAS no copper produced.

New stuff, huh ???    Something new all the time ......

Rossi's one year run at the commercial steam plant spends more time "non-excited" now than it does excited and the COP values are over 13 at this stage.    How much higher, he won't say.  The customer is simply looking at his bills from last year and comparing kilowatt hours to run the process and he is very happy supposedly as he is getting a large amount of "free steam" beyond what was expected.

Folks theorize that Rossi is using the cooling water input as a controlling variable and is water cooling/quenching the LENR process whenever it verges towards melt down, then turning the excitement back on immediately after temperature goes down below a certain threshold then cutting it off when self-sustain is reached again.

In other words, it is all very primitive right now, a balancing act on the edge of melt-down.



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Reply #18 - 03/18/15 at 07:35:40
 
Cars, flight, space, so many started as a balancing act..

This is fun to watch and thank you for your coverage..
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Reply #19 - 03/18/15 at 08:40:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/18/15 at 07:35:40:
Cars, flight, space, so many started as a balancing act..

This is fun to watch and thank you for your coverage..


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Reply #20 - 03/18/15 at 09:59:42
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/18/mfmp-reports-parkhomov-breakthrough-90-m...

Parkhomov himself just posted one where he used a pressure manometer rig up to see what temp vs pressure was doing inside the vessel at the point of melt down.   He was thinking that high vessel pressure of hydrogen was causing the reactions to run away and maybe folks should be varying their hydrogen pressure as a control element (or at least put an "even pressure release valve" on the chamber).

He posted positive results with a 90 minute plus COP 4+ experiment that did not end in a melt down.   Tomorrow he will attempt a restart, the first ever seen apart from Rossi if it works right.
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Reply #21 - 03/18/15 at 10:17:34
 
Boyles law, makes sense..
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Reply #22 - 03/19/15 at 08:44:32
 


“Finally able to make long-term working reactor. The temperature of 1200 ° C is reached at 23:30 on March 16 after a 12-hour gradual heating and lasts until now. Heater power of 300 W, COP = 3.
For the first time successfully managed to mount a pressure gauge installation. With slow heating, the maximum pressure of 5 bar at 200 ° C was reached, and then the pressure was reduced at a temperature of about 1000C to become negative. The most powerful vacuum of about 0.5 bar at a temperature of 1150 ° C "


Well, the hydrogen goes somewhere, into the metal lattice probably and it winds up with a negative pressure approaching a vaccum.

There is a very slow heat up requirement to keep things from going nuts .....

They are learning, and sharing and making progress.

      Smiley

Two paths have been taken to keep the powder from melting down and stopping the reaction.  

Doctoring the mix with other substances to dilute (or cap) the upper limit of temperature reached and by physically separating the grains temporarily (a pulse of hydrogen gas from the bottom of a vertical tube of nickel powder agitating the tube as it goes up it).

The pulses of gas are said to move heat from hot spots and remix the grains around and give grain surfaces a new neighbor to radiate against.

So, getting it to start is fairly easy, but keeping it from melting down is a bitche.


Once again, Brillouin reminds everybody he has this all worked out from over 5 years ago, and that his plant is ready for commercial implementation (at over 20 million dollars a pop).   And that he has locked in his control system with HUNDREDS of international patents and three USA patents.

This is a good read, it gives details about the reaction not explained elsewhere -- Brillouin is advanced compared to Rossi.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/New-LENR-Machine-is-the-Best-Yet.html

So, if you got a spare 20 mil you can cut to the chase with Brillouin.   Or you can let all the little guys and the universities across the planet chase it around and come up with something simpler and easier to do that will be open source when they are done with it.

Rossi's system is mixed powders, static, with fine control of each individual smallish reactor.   Brillouin (which has never built even a part scale plant nor run against a real varying load yet) says he can do it better, but has very high costs for the next step.

Rossi built what he has off 11 million of input capital.   Brillouin has stepped through 20 million in funding and still has no partial scale plant up and running.

As soon as enough is known, expect businesses to start private research on their own aimed at commercial products ASAP since even at a COP of three commercial/residential space heating and low pressure wet steam become fruitful fields of implementation.

Over a COP of 10, power generation becomes possible.


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Reply #23 - 03/20/15 at 11:45:35
 

First report today of a tungsten powder system reaching exothemic ranges of output.

Why important?   Can run at very high temps without melting and its final waste product is gold ....
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Reply #24 - 03/22/15 at 18:39:53
 

Update from Parkhomov (new details)

"Dr. Parkhomov reports that the target temperature of 1200ºC in the fuelled reactor was achieved by the time the electric power had reached around 600 W (in contrast to 1070 W needed to reach 1200ºC in the dummy). Then within an hour, the regulator had decreased the input power to just 330 W to maintain the same 1200ºC. Approximately, this has been the power required to during the whole operation of the reactor.
The thermocouple is fixed on surface of tube with fuel in the middle of the tube.
Operation of the reactor was interrupted due to a heater burn-out at 10:50 on March 20 (Moscow time). Fortunately though, the tube with fuel wasn’t damaged.
When a replacement heater was used, the reactor RESTARTED!! at 11:10 on March 21 and works still.
This is the first independent report of high power LENR being able to be cooled down and re-started.
It is difficult to grasp the significance of this information.


Dr. Parkhomov,

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Reply #25 - 03/23/15 at 05:57:37
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/22/airbus-files-patent-for-lenr-power-gener...

Airbus Defence and Space GmbH has now filed LENR patents on LENR applications for plane and space purposes.

The Navy/JWK Cold Fusion patent #US8419919 B1 "System and Method for Generating Particles" granted 7/3/2013 is just the beginning of people filing patents on application areas.

Now this is something. Airbus combined a lot of previous work, with a few touches and fix-ups and low and behold, a LENR patent application from Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, Airbus Operations GmbH and Astrium GmbH. This ought to raise the hair on world awareness that LENR has burst upon the scene. All that is necessary now is every time a energy related article appears during one's perusals of energy news, to comment that the German Industries involved in air transport already applied for an LENR patent.


I see some new signs that folks have been playing with Tungsten again .....

The amount of top secret work that has been done on LENR is just beginning to peep out from behind the curtain.   Governments, major aerospace vendors, large Japanese industrial conglomerates --- yet no patents have been actually granted by the USA Patent Office, nor by the Japanese Patent Office.
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Reply #26 - 03/23/15 at 06:16:37
 

Fast and dirty way to get all the LENR metals to react.   Saturate the metal powder with hydrogen in a separate chamber.  Inject/spray the metal flakes into a standard water based plasma welder jet stream -- it makes a very nasty cutting torch and potentially could make a reaction engine for space travel.

High efficiency on a one shot use, makes a TON of light which can be held inside a photovoltaic chamber and turned into electricity.

Not a slow release process at all,  makes a huge burst of light and heat -- just a different way to skin the LENR kitty cat.
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Reply #27 - 03/23/15 at 06:28:23
 
Ahhh, to dare to allow the heart to hope for the excitement of revolutionary discovery...
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Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 03/23/15 at 05:57:37:
I see some new signs that folks have been playing with Tungsten again .....

The amount of top secret work that has been done on LENR is just beginning to peep out from behind the curtain.   Governments, major aerospace vendors, large Japanese industrial conglomerates --- yet no patents have been actually granted by the USA Patent Office, nor by the Japanese Patent Office.


So do we buy futures in tungsten or sell short in gold?
Or just watch?

and the one process that's worth it's weight in platinum... the one that converts radioactive waste to inert materials.  
Wasn't that Rossi's original goal?
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Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 03/23/15 at 06:16:37:
Fast and dirty way to get all the LENR metals to react.   Saturate the metal powder with hydrogen in a separate chamber.  Inject/spray the metal flakes into a standard water based plasma welder jet stream -- it makes a very nasty cutting torch and potentially could make a reaction engine for space travel.

High efficiency on a one shot use, makes a TON of light which can be held inside a photovoltaic chamber and turned into electricity.

Not a slow release process at all,  makes a huge burst of light and heat -- just a different way to skin the LENR kitty cat.


If it makes a ton of light you could use it to pulse a LASER perhaps.
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