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Reply #15 - 01/24/15 at 13:57:05
 
Demin wrote on 01/24/15 at 05:36:37:
Nicky...Where are you located?I'm going to miss the Lowbrow 'meet.But there is one in Canton tomorrow.


Over in Columbus.

I ended up picking up an 18" triumph rear with drum break and sprocket (both on left side) for $80. We are gonna see if we can make it work.
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Reply #16 - 01/24/15 at 21:39:19
 
The tank I'm using is from Pandemonium. I still haven't made a call on my rear wheel yet. I'm going to get a price on having one built and see if it scares me. Be interested to see how that Triumph wheel works out for you nicky.
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Reply #17 - 02/16/15 at 07:25:10
 
Triumph wheel is gonna be a pain.  Looks like I am switching back to the stock.  I am contemplating getting the 150/90 but I think I would rather put 4 over tubes on front.
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Reply #18 - 02/26/15 at 09:45:02
 
Does anyone have any experience lacing a 21" front rim to a stock savage Hub and running it on an otherwise stock Savage front end?  Wondering if there were any issues? How does the brake work?  I'm leaning towards having a rear wheel built with a savage hub and an 18" rim. Going to end up building a front wheel to match it. Thinking a 21" up front might work with the 18" on the rear.
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Reply #19 - 02/26/15 at 10:45:27
 
Providing the rim is a 36 hole and the spoke holes are drilled at the right angles you will have no problem.You will need longer spokes of course. The front rotor is bolted to the hub so this will bolt back on with out any problems either.
You will either have to run with out a front fender or modify something to fit.
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Reply #20 - 03/19/15 at 06:27:28
 
Winter is finally giving us a break in the northeast and I've finally had a chance to get back to the bike project. I've decided to go the custom built wheel route. I couldn't bring myself to chop up the stock wheels that I'd already restored(not to mention I had a perfectly sized fender made for the rear) so I sourced a couple of other Savage wheels off eBay. I cut out the hubs, gave them a polishing and dropped them off at the powdercoater yesterday. When I get them back they're going to Buchanans to be laced to matching black anodized rims. Trying to find an appropriate used rim proved challenging. Most of the compatible rims I could find were a little bit on the narrow side for what I was looking for. So I'm biting the bullet and throwing down to get this done right. Here's a before picture of the stuff that's at the powdercoater. Looked so good after I polished it that for a split second I thought about leaving it polished but then the reality of what a nightmare that would be to maintain set in.
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Reply #21 - 03/19/15 at 07:13:12
 
Yep....That bare aluminum is a tough decision.  It looks really good bare - but does need polishing and attention if not coated.  If you don't store the bike outside, and don't put it away wet - it can hold up reasonably well.  I did not coat mine, I occasionally get caught in the rain and I need to spend a couple of hours polishing 2-3 times a year to keep it looking nice.

Are you having it powder coated with clear....or black?
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Reply #22 - 03/19/15 at 10:32:05
 
That's coming along great I like that tank.  I got my rear wheel back from Buchanan's not to long ago they did a great job. I got the Excel 18x2.50x36 spoke rear rim. Kinda pricey but they're the best in the business. What size width was the the rear rim you ordered? And the brand? It's a great rim but if I build another bobber I do a couple things different like order a much wider rim. I didn't go with a voodoo hardtail I wanted 3" of stretch too which is what voodoo advertised maybe it was 4" not 3"  but that is overall stretch with the backbone sitting higher and I just wanted 3" past the seat post. anyways, (voodoo's  look great though) I went with a custom hardtail from cycleone in OK. With the new hardtail my axle plates are close to a 1/2" thick so I had to find a longer axle that was 17mm(stock) then have the step up side machined down to fit. For the price of that and the rim relaced. I could have got me a wider 18" rim with tire and rear disk brake off a harley or something and save about 400 bucks and have that sweet disk brake instead off the stock drum. I'm having red at cycleone machine my wheel spacers now and darn if those rear spacers aren't gonna be long as hell. Got me kickin myself why didn't I go with the wider tire. For me it seems that the excel 18x2.15 rim is more for the cafe conversion it clears the swing arm I guess no problem but for a bobber hardtail if you got extra room go wider. It was hell trying to squeeze on a 130/70 on that 2.15 rim. That and most your 18" rear tires are for crotchrockets or knobby enduro tires. The sidewalls are smaller than your cruiser tires. unless it's like an 18" rear tire for a harley  which is gonna be a wider rim than 2.15" it's probly a sportbike tire. But I've drunkenly rambled long enough and I'm still gonna rock that excel rim it's so shiny Cheesy. Can't wait to see yours done love the hardtail bobbers.
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Reply #23 - 03/19/15 at 11:38:56
 
Cafe bikes normally have a 2.15 rim on the front and a 2.50 rim on the back.

Wider rim....absolutely.  A 130/70 tire should be in a 3.50 rim.  A 110/80 on a 2.50 rim, a 90/90 on a 2.15 rim.

If you squeezed a 130 tire on a 2.15 rim.....it will be pinched narrow and have a very arched tread profile.

Here is a link to a Bridgestone chart that shows the tires size and recommended rim width.

http://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/battlax/bt45.html

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Reply #24 - 03/19/15 at 12:43:11
 
my bad supposed to read 2.50" rear not 2.15". That's my front rim width.
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Reply #25 - 03/20/15 at 06:42:40
 
I'm going with gloss black powder on the hubs and as many of the small parts as I can. I'm using parts from a bunch of different savages but the majority of my parts came from a rough 87 with 22k that was stored in a covered but open garage for the last few years before I got my hands on it. Lots of the small parts are way beyond just cleaning up and using. They pretty much all need to get taken down to bare metal so the powdercoat seems to make sense after that.

I realize that there are a bunch of different rear ends that I could adapt to this project which could be found for a reasonable price and which would offer substantially better performance than the Savage. I understand and respect why many go that route. That being said I'm trying to build a hardtail Savage and like it or not that antiquated rear drum brake setup is one of the bikes defining features. If I was building a bike for total performance or comfort this wouldn't be it. I'm building this bike to cruise up and down the MA North Shore, not race or take on trips. I thought long and hard about this once it became obvious that the stock wheels weren't going to swing.

I haven't committed to an exact pair of rims yet but I'm leaning in the direction of Buchanan's house made Sun rims. 18x2.75" for the rear to hold a 130/90 tire. And a 21x2.15 for the front to hold a 90/100 tire. I have a couple of weeks to decide while the hubs are getting powdered.

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Reply #26 - 04/12/15 at 04:59:20
 
I picked up my hubs from the powdercoater and dropped off the front end. I am very pleased with the results. I'm glad I went out of the way to find someone that does lots of bike parts. First thing Monday morning I will be shipping them off to have the wheels built. I need to decide in the next couple of days what size rim and what tire I am going to run on the rear. I love the look of vintage style tires like the Firestone replicas but they get such horrible reviews for performance that I'm not going that direction. A lot of the other vintage style tires are on the narrow side. I'm thinking about going a completely different route and going with an Avon Cobra 150/70. Their website suggests compatible rims are 3.5-4.5 with 4.25 being reccomended. Since Buchanans makes a 4.25 in their Sun line of rims I'm leaning in the direction. I have also looked at the Kenda Challengers but am concerned they are cheap. They offer a 130 which would provide me with the most OD and therefore help most with the low frame clearance issues. I think just about any 18" is going to get me sufficient clearance though, especially if Nickythegreek is putting miles on his with the stock wheels.
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Reply #27 - 04/18/15 at 04:43:30
 
Still haven't pulled the trigger on the rear wheel. I'm nervous that a 150 rear tire might be too wide and interfere with the chain. Can't afford for this not to work. Most 18" tires are 130 and below or are "fat" tires. Wondering what people's thoughts are on fitting a 150/70 with a chain conversion?
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Reply #28 - 05/12/15 at 05:05:26
 
The front end parts got back from the powdercoater yesterday. I couldn't be happier with the results.
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Reply #29 - 02/14/16 at 04:38:04
 
I am finishing up roller #2 on my VV build. The decision to change up the wheels officially set me back nearly a year. In the end I'm happy with the result. The bike now has at least 4" of clearance below the frame. With the stock wheels there was barely 2". In the end I went with a Firestone ANS 18X4.50 On a 2.15" Sun Rim on the rear. And an Avon Speedmaster 21" on a 1.85 Sun rim for the front. Powdered hubs, anodized rims and polished stainless spokes/nipples from Buchanans.
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