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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #345 - 05/16/15 at 14:08:21
 

Errant thoughts on the upcoming Phone/PC surge

No matter what happens with Phone/PCs, MS's market share is getting ready to shrink strongly yet again during the Phone/PC roll out period .....  

Why?   Because all the market share charts are all going to change to reflect what they are now going to be based upon -- total units of computation which will include phones.

The charts are all going to change to reflect the new conjoined reality and when the Android and the iPhone phone/PC volumes hit this chart then MS automatically becomes a very very very small percentage player in the total conjoined computing space, never ever again to be able to get significantly any larger ever again.  

This new reality will primarily be phone based and MS sucks at phones, always has.  

Ditto for Intel, with nothing to milk for those huge tech support dollars and no contra revenue $$$ to spend on making their overly expensive chipsets seem to be cost competitive, Intel goes down slowly.   No one will want what they produce all that much any more since Intel can't seem to do a phone chip that is  A) timely and  B) competitive.

So, whatever MS can eke out with the Win10 roll out -- that's it forever.   Right now MS rates between 10% and 15% of total devices, depending on who is rolling the numbers.   Let's be charitable and say they get to keep a 15% market share right at the start, this will quickly drift away year on year as Apple and Google work the new space just like they always do so well.

Remember, people will be buying a phone primarily -- the PC part is just some freebie gravy added on to the phone experience.

Unit Device Share by OS

                       2012         2013         2014
Mac OS            24.5%      24.2%      26.8%
Chrome OS       0.2%         3.3%         4.5%
Windows OS    75.2%        72.3%        68.4%        ...... ouch, that hurt --- so what is 2015 going to look like after the phone/PCs all hit?
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Reply #346 - 05/17/15 at 10:58:22
 

http://www.myphonedesktop.com/

Apple vendors get into the act, offering the software to do it before Apple does.

What is myPhoneDesktop?

"MyPhoneDesktop links your Computer and iDevice the way Apple should have" (Gizmodo). myPhoneDesktop provides an easy and effective way to work with your iPad, iPhone or iPod touch directly from your desktop. Whether you need to make a phone call, send a long SMS, copy a large amount of text, send a long and complicated to retype URL, open route in mobile Google Map, or store an image on your iPad or iPhone, myPhoneDesktop greatly streamlines your workflow.

Use Desktop client which tightly integrates with your OS (Windows, Mac OSX or Linux) and provides such handy features like Drag & Drop, global shortcuts like Cmd+C+C and plugin's to popular applications like LaunchBar or Apple Address Book."



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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2340854,00.asp

10 Secret iPhone Powers

"With few exceptions, your iPhone can do everything your desktop PC can do. Here are 10 easy ways to unlock your iPhone's full potential."



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http://classroom.synonym.com/can-iphone-connected-pc-use-large-monitor-keyboa...

Can an iPhone Be Connected to a PC to Use a Large Monitor & Keyboard?

"The multitude of apps available in the iTunes App Store turn your iPhone into a pocket-sized computer."



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Reply #347 - 05/17/15 at 11:08:58
 

...... and on the Google side, same story -- vendors and pundits are acting in advance of the real product roll out.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/10/video-use-your-galaxy-nexus-as-a-desktop...

Use Your Galaxy Nexus As A Desktop Computer

it is a YouTube video, so click on it .....     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_--zcmqIyRI
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Reply #348 - 05/17/15 at 11:23:48
 

..... can MS leverage Win10 Phone OS to get it to run good on general run of the mill Android phones that have a pre-existing USB To Go connection?

Huh    or does it have to have all that excessively large systems memory and flash drive memory as exemplified by the just released Asus Zenphone 2 ????



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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #349 - 05/18/15 at 05:53:02
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/meizu-launches-ubuntu-mx4-smartphone-in-china-c...

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/meizu-mx4-with-ubuntu-launched-in-china-co...

Meizu launches Ubuntu MX4 smartphone in China (coming to Europe next)



Buy the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition
The Ubuntu MX4 is available to buy directly from the Meizu website in China. It’s priced at ¥1,799 (less than US $300) and available in a choice of two color schemes: ‘Silver’ and ‘Golden’.


It looks like perhaps First Blood in the phone/PC wars was drawn by Ubuntu as launched by Meizu in China.    If the docking station is currently available then no one has translated the Chinese text that says this is so, but the phone is here in any case complete with the software completely installed upon it.

The European roll out will have everything well translated, I suspect.

However, size-wise this is just a paper cut compared to what is coming up soon enough direct from the Big Boys themselves ....

Mark Shuttleworth promises a USA company will have a Convergence model out by July here in the USA -- this will have all the docking stuff instantly available and have a main carrier's support, etc. from the very get go.

That will be blood, to be sure.

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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #350 - 05/18/15 at 10:10:22
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/fujitsu-launches-q665-2-in-1-tablet-with-intel-...

Fujitsu launches Q665 2-in-1 tablet with Intel Core M (in Japan)



"Fujitsu says the Q665 is available with 4GB to 8GB of RAM, up to 256GB of solid state storage, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 8.1 or Windows 8.1 Pro software, and a choice of Intel Core M-5Y10C or Core M-5Y31 processors. It’s said to get up to 10 hours of battery life.

The tablet supports 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0 and has USB 3.0 USB 2.0 and micro HDMI ports as well as front and rear cameras.

The tablet is launching in Japan in June for 154,600 yen and up. That’s about $1300 US. It’s not yet clear if or when this model will be available in the US or Europe or how much it would cost in those markets."


Wow --- a $1300 tablet that throttles itself down to half speed when the chip warms up.  

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Just what everybody needs, huh?
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Reply #351 - 05/19/15 at 04:42:55
 

Republic Wireless Moto G vs Apple iPhones (various generations)

They are women and they are off on a weeklong romp -- visiting graveyards and records repositories and tracing down the family history getting cleanly past the chaos of the Civil War period on all the family lines.

The phones are out and Siri is getting asked some questions and is getting some answers.   When they run dry they ask my wife to try and so far a a tap on the mic symbol in the search bar and a quick verbal "Navigate me to  xxxxxx" has worked every time.

Now, this is fun --- one has avowed she needs to upgrade her iPhone because it isn't as feature rich as her female relatives (Siri doesn't say much for her).

The ones with the most modern iPhones are all quiet, but one has asked what that new Android phone is and how hard is it to work --- actually held it in her hand until Android started to leak out into her fingers and then she gave it back.

The fact the phone only cost $150 and the plan with full data was only $25 a month immediately turned them all off -- it can't be any good because it doesn't cost nearly $1000 and require a $100 a month AT&T Data plan .....

Then by 2:00 PM in the afternoon the iPhones one by one start running out of battery and turning themselves off  .... and the Moto G keeps on grinning all day long into the evening hours when it gets plugged in for the night.

Remember, the original Moto G was the show phone that Google built to show everybody what small body phones SHOULD be like -- and it is still a very well balanced good functioning little package even today, 3 years later.

Apple costs WAY WAY too much and isn't really primo for features any more -- and iPhone battery life sucks.
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Reply #352 - 05/19/15 at 10:03:12
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/microsoft-office-preview-now-available-for-andr...

Microsoft Office preview now available for Android phones



"The smartphone apps have all the same basic features as their tablet counterparts. You can open, view, edit, and create documents, collaborate with other users by sharing documents with comments, track changes, and more, and there’s support for opening and saving files to cloud services including OneDrive, SharePoint, Google Drive, Dropbox, and Box.

The user interface has been tweaked to work better on smartphone-sized screens. But if Office for Android phones looks familiar, that’s because the Android apps bear a pretty striking resemblance to the new Office Universal apps designed to run on Windows phones, tablets, and other devices.

If you’re testing Office on an Android phone, Microsoft recommends a device with at least 1GB of RAM and Android 4.4 or later."


Microsoft is getting smarter lately -- they do not know if their ~15%~ real all devices ongoing market share will support the company going on out into the future especially since the PC as a desktop will sunset within the next 5 years or so.

But they do know they need to start to sell their software into Android space very diligently ASAP to guarantee an ongoing SHORT TERM future inside the NEXT 5 years.

Roll Eyes   .... now this MS Office is beginning to smell quicker, lighter and leaner, now doesn't it?    Only 1 gig of systems memory is required for the Android version.

Now, dock the phone and shine it up on the big desktop screen so you can use your keyboard and mouse .....




Wink      Do  you get the impression Android might be the next big OS ?  There isn't anything you can't do on it any more.
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Reply #353 - 05/21/15 at 02:27:24
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/windows-10-preview-build-10122-brings-improveme...

Windows 10 Preview build 10122 brings improvements to Edge, Continuum



Well now, this is what is is finally going to look like (and you see the phone stuff coming out more strongly as we get closer in to it).

Huh

"Microsoft is rolling out another preview build of Windows 10 to members of the Windows Insider community of testers. This build for PCs includes a few changes to the Start Screen and Start menu layouts, a number of bug fixes, and improvements for certain key components of Windows 10.

But Microsoft is pretty much done introducing big new features: Windows 10 Preview build 10122 includes some of the features Microsoft showed off earlier this month at its BUILD and Ignite conferences. But with the full version of Windows 10 set to launch in a few months, the company has already shown us most of the features we can expect to ship this summer (as well as some that won’t be available until later in the year)."
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Reply #354 - 05/21/15 at 03:26:04
 

Microsoft proudly announces it is approaching 2 million beta testers  (people who wish/hope to get a free copy of Win10 since they don't have an upgradable version sitting on their machine at all right now).  

BTW, good luck with that, MS is already saying "unlicensed testers" stuff will automatically end on roll out day when Win10 checks for an upgradable version being previously present on the machine for the very first time.

MS also doesn't mention the ~50%~ drop rate from the program as it rolled along, it just proudly announces that nearly 2 million people had signed up.    And it doesn't mention that over a quarter of the remaining testers are currently pretty disappointed in the latest design that shifts away from a standard desktop motif to more of a phone basis.    It is obvious that MS is just doing whatever it is that MS wants to do, using the tester mass as a "given reason" for doing it.


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Comparison point -- Android is running at over a million and a half new devices activated PER DAY now.    The entire historical mass of all the existing Windows stuff is only ~<10%~ of the current total devices market share and as that old stuff ages out and drops off MS had better be selling in their new devices in a very competitive manner.  

So far Microsoft devices aren't even price point competing against the lower cost Chromebooks, much less against the ever growing sea of various Android devices.

Plus, as the new huge masses of Android devices roll into use, the MS pie slice will get smaller and smaller according because MS isn't growing and Android certainly is growing, very very rapidly growing.

Now you see why all of a sudden MS Office suddenly showed up in the Android Play Store as local loaded Android software, it is because MS wants to exist in a couple of years and MS is realizing that Windows simply won't do that for them by itself as the numbers simply aren't there by at least a factor of 10.


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Intel is still being pretty quiet lately  .....  no news for for much of anything really lately.    Intel Partners are still being asked to hold off on announcing any new boards or devices through August of this summer.   Inference is that Skylake is coming (Broadwell is being skipped over as a thermal throttling nightmare) but this new Skylake will require a new style socket with new motherboard provisions for heat sinks, sensors and fans, etc. etc. etc. to try to step around its own thermal issues.

ARM has leaked their 11 core "phone through PC single chipset" concept now and Intel is having to redo Skylake yet again to try to have something to compete against that rather strong sounding system.

The dockable phone as your PC concept is a LARGE concern to Intel right now as that concept threatens their rice bowl as no other technological shift change has done so far .....

Intel's existing processors really don't fit into that sort of world at all and one can see their old mass of Intel PC processor stuff becoming moot really quite quickly once the phone/PCs start rolling out from China.

Docking stations for the phone by the big screen on your desk simply makes a lot of sense .....

As you watch Microsoft Office fleeing to the Google Play Store as local loaded software look to see a lot of the old names do likewise, or else they will flee to the net as net-based softwares that can run off any device, any OS.

Traditional Windows is sunsetting .... and the desktop PC era is ending fairly soon.   This is clear to all players at this point in time.

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Reply #355 - 05/23/15 at 04:50:49
 

Google is cooking a new Android version called Android M.    Google puts stuff inside new versions that they don't always announce until they have a partner building a phone or a tablet that actually uses the stuff, so what Google likes to do is engage their vendor base at private Google I/O developer conferences to help develop these new ideas together prior to it being announced and going mainstream.   Quietly developing stuff up front with the phone maker and ARM and the chip maker all kicking in their support means there isn't much that can't happen fairly seamlessly and quietly.

There is new stuff inside Android M that needs development -- and they will be talking about it in private at the next I/0 conference which is pretty soon.


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For example, Google has engaged 5 Chinese vendors to build samples of a Google fi phone (searching for the next year Nexus class of phones -- and we already know there will be more than one of each size of phone in this class).

What will in reality happen is that all five of the 5 vendors (plus Motorola of course) will all understand how to interface with the "fi" features that are already built into the current Lollypop 5.1 version and with the current hardware being supported naturally by both the existing ARM chipsets and Qualcomm wifi capable radio sets.   These guys will also be the ones helping Google to develop the brand new Google M version's features set, the new M version that is going into the next I/O conference.  

Proper up front support for the new Mediatek and Qualcomm "World 4G Radios" and World Basebands are very important right now (Intel too, I guess -- if they had any).   This must be done right so phones can sell into any market at will.   Widespread BYOP is relying on interchangeable technology in the radios and baseband areas, this will stop carriers from raping people over phone prices every two years.

Since the hardware and software "fi" stuff will be there already and is all pre-existing and "free" to the vendors, expect just about all the new 2016 phones to come out of the gate Google fi ready.    

Mediatek's new world 4G radio/modem is a very important to support item, as is Mediatek's new Helio 11 chipset (it has 11 cores, not 10 -- that little IOT "always on" core counts as a core too, you know).

Cheesy

AT&T and Verizon, is your tight little fundament puckering all up on you yet in terrified anticipation of the soon to start wifi revolution?    

Are you really really sure you wouldn't rather be helping the pitching team instead of doing all that rough trade "catching" duty on this one?

Did you realize that if Google can talk the router manufacturers and router standards people into putting a click select into all the router installation routines "Make 3% of my router's bandwidth accessible to passerby wifi phone calls as a public service" that most of us users would choose to click on that little box as 3% is nothing to us and we all like to feel good about ourselves.   Give that idea a year or so to percolate through the sea of routers in the real world and soon enough cell towers would become sorta passe`.

And AT&T and Verizon would eventually go down as greedy greedy folks eventually always seem to eventually do.  

Tongue           Hey, AT&T,  I think I see a line starting to form up composed of angry ex-customers wanting to "discuss it" with you.
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Reply #356 - 05/23/15 at 05:06:40
 

The fact that Google and phones can do a whole new world of software/hardware every year is very frightening to somebody like MS who takes YEARS AND YEARS to roll a major version change.

Wifi phones and phone/PC is something Google can build into the stuff "on the fly" as it rolls along whereas MS simply can't do that sort of stuff nearly that fast .....

Although Microsoft is trying to get that sort of flexibility -- but still after 4 years Win9 has taken so long to jell it is now called Win10 and it still isn't out of the gate yet.    Nor is it expected to be complete when it does exit -- many promised features are just that, promised for the future next year sometimes.
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Reply #357 - 05/25/15 at 12:29:04
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 05/17/15 at 11:23:48:

..... can MS leverage Win10 Phone OS to get it to run good on general run of the mill Android phones that have a pre-existing USB To Go connection?

Huh    or does it have to have all that excessively large systems memory and flash drive memory as exemplified by the just released Asus Zenphone 2 ????



http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/157035-image/Asus-ZenFone-2.jpg


Don't shoot me... I just bought one of these.. waiting on delivery from Newegg. I got the $299 with 4GB Ram and 64 GB storage. SHould be a hos running Android 5... my poor HTC is all but dead
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Reply #358 - 05/25/15 at 18:50:43
 

Tell us about it when you get it -- it is the current state of Intel's art in the phone world.

Somebody is supporting all the memory and stuff, since you aren't paying that much for it ......

Think of it as a good deal, now tell us how well it works.
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Reply #359 - 05/26/15 at 07:18:26
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/microsoft-is-bringing-cortana-to-android-and-io...

Microsoft is bringing Cortana to Android and iOS, along with sync tools for Windows 10 PCs



Microsoft is faced with a quandary --  ASSuming they can keep their current total Windows market share intact and hang on to it ongoing as the years roll by, they are less than 1/10th the size of Android right now (and that is with Android still growing at a million and a half installations PER DAY).

It all comes under the "if you can't beat them, join them" theory.

Microsoft is giving up on the MS Store and Windows as their sole future pathway, they are putting all their stuff into the Google Play Store now as pay me Android apps.   Their stuff is structured to run on Android now as that is the predominate OS market-wide and world-wide.  

We are talking MS OFFICE and every other decent MS software product is going to be able to run on your light fast Android OS and will be able to be docked and put up on your big screen off your suitable Android phone.

And now this Android Play Store package includes the Cortana App, which allows your Android phone to swap notifications and messages between your laptop/PC and your Android phone.

Assuming you still need your laptop/PC and want to keep it around.

Within the next year we will see if MS Win 10 is any form of "market share taking back" sort of success story -- and there are significant reasons to doubt that is going to happen.

By going ARM/Android in a sensible integrated fashion MS is hedging their bets and making sure they will still exist 5 years from now should Win 10 be washed away by a huge crop of Android phone/PCs.


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MS is making sure in the future docked phone based PC world they will continue to be there, even if it is just as another overpriced app seller on the Play Store.

Intel is rumored to be skipping Broadwell and going light on the Skylake chip family as PC chipsets are not the total future path that someone would have expected them to be just like only a year ago.

Intel is once again trying to design a COMPETITIVE phone chip again in a VERY serious fashion, as they see the upcoming Mediatek Helio 20 ARM chipset as being a game changer that will redefine what Intel and others make going out into the future.

The Helio 20 will seamlessly ramp from being a very battery efficient phone chip all the way up to providing a PC class experience.  

Intel has NOTHING that can do that, nothing.

And if that winds up being the game inside two years, then Intel is currently not even positioned to be a player in that game.

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