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Ok. Fair enough. But characterizing that as a 1st class army being pushed into the sea buy a bunch of of a**holes in filp-flops is a bit disingenuous. The disaster in Mogadishu, and it was a disaster, was hardly a war. It was in fact a snatch and grab operation conducted by a small number, less than 100, of troops inserted into the center of a city controlled by Somali Militia, in order to capture some high ranking members of said militia.

It went off the rails when first one, and then another of the helicopters used to transport the troops were shot down by RPG's. At that point the mission changed to an attempt to rescue/recover the crews. As a result a number of Army Rangers and SF personnel spent a very long night holed up in the center of the city, protecting their wounded and recovering the bodies of the Helicopter crews. Eighteen Americans were killed, about twice that number wounded, along with hundreds, perhaps as many as a thousand, Somalis. The next morning the Americans, the captured Somali militia leaders, the wounded and the dead were extracted by an Armored  column consisting of the US 10th Mountain Division and The Pakistani UN contingent. One American pilot, who survived the crash was captured by the Somali militia, but was returned shortly thereafter. It was a very bad day for the US military but hardy the stunning debacle that you seem to want to make it out to be. Things like this have happened before, and will most assuredly happen in the future.

Responding to outrage in the US over the loss of American Lives, President Clinton shortly ended all US involvement in Somalia. Let's not forget that the whole sorry adventure was an United Nations, not a US operation anyway, and was supposed to be a humanitarian mission because the residents of Somalia were being starved by the various militias that were vying for control. I don't think that there were ever more than about 1000 UN troops on the ground at any time. Possibly not even that many.  One only has to look at the state of Somalia today to see how successful the whole effort was anyway.

You are grasping at straws in order to make a point, which point I admit still eludes me.
Unless, of course, as you alluded to yourself in a previous post, that point is simply to take a swipe at the US.

Here's a little video explaining the muslim logos, where they come from and where the religion is going.

http://youtu.be/NrRwnYKW7dM

The Koran has a version of Revelations but in the Koran the appocalypse is a good thing (right up until the souls go in the lake of fire part in which they don't believe) The anti-christ to the Christians is the next prophet or caliphate for Islam. It's fascinating stuff regardless of your religious persuasion.

Ok.... it's not political....and maybe not even religious...even though they are using it as such.
EVERY and I mean EVERY war/cleansing action over there is simply ONE man convincing the others that he is the chosen one.
It doesn't matter who supplies the weapons/training, the US and Russians, hell even the French have sold weapons to the areas.
The poor bastards bow , scrape and fetch for anyone who says he is in charge.
Yeah we had weapons in the area and trained all three sides. And they are using our weapons to kill each other...did we plan it? who knows....I don't think it would help us in an economic stand point...why would we fund a dang war that would raise oil prices?... JOG would say the Elite.. I say, its some dang wanna be Leader trying to take over the area....just like the last 1000 years....
Its coop after coop..... you figure it out.... it aint' about the money, the religion...those are just tools to get whomever wants the power.....
Bad thing is... it will never change...until someone figures a way to redirect the "hostile actions" into a productive one.
Hell we can't even figure that one out.....how can they?

oldNslow wrote on 08/29/14 at 05:07:34:


Well, i have to say that i agree completely...
On a different note, if someone believes in this kind of stuff, you might say that we are close to the apocalypse... as a matter of fact, the Ebola epidemic in Africa could be the first of the horsemen, and those ISIS @ssh0l3s are announcing it... in their flag... pretty scary uh?

Anyway, i'm italian too, but definitively pro US, so much that i had a run to get the green card and then... but this is another story... i will post on the cafe just to share with you guys how a dream can crash in a second...

WebsterMark wrote on 08/27/14 at 05:04:12:


Given the quality of your news, I'm not surprised.

That's why I made the effort of providing you the facts in English, courtesy of a British reporter. US Reporters were fed the news the USCommand wanted them to relay.

War is hell, yes, it is. That is why there are things such as "Humanitarian Law" and "The Laws of Armed Conflict".
But then, what should I know ? I'm only Italian... just like the guy who "invented" Humanitarian Law and Criminal Justice in the first place...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Beccaria

Dane Allen wrote on 08/28/14 at 16:08:57:


Thank you, interesting viedo.

At 1:35, it reminds Christians "beware of those who come in my name, claiming I am the Christ and deceiving many".
I Googled and it turns out 99% of such Preachers are US Evangelists - the last one being a Korean Evangelist ?
(But then, shortly before 9/11, Mullah Omar in Afghanistan claimed he was the 2nd Coming of the Prophet Muhammad, so they have the same problem, eh?)

At 3:45 it mentions 2the false God 'Baal' or 'Bel' " ignoring that in Akkadic, "Baal" literally means "God".

At 3:55, it mentions Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from Heaven, o Lucifer..." BIIIG Biblical mistake, the original hebrew does not read "Lucifer" but "Satan" (which in Hebrew is NOT the name of the/a Devil but merely means "Enemy (King)", in fact, Isaiah was addressing the contemporary King of Babylon.
In fact, in Revelation 22:16, do we not read "I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star" It is Jesus speaking !!!

9:00 There is a bit of confusion here on "worshipping the stars". How many of you prepare a Christmas tree? How many place a STAR on top? How many read a Horoscope ?  

9:20 Baal = Allah ? Not so; In Arabic "Allah" has the same letters and meaning as Hebrew "El Al" or "El Elion", which is another name for YHWH...

12:20 "No Mark (of Allah) No sale (of food) ... and what do I see in the food basket ? Sausages ?  

13:00 Christians were already being persecuted in Rome so I wouldn't be surprised if John was actually referring to his own times...
Else, given the rapid spread of Islam in the 6th and 7th century, that part of Revelation has already happened
(or... is it a repeating prophecy ?)

15:25 "The Second Coming and Polar reversal" Ther, that did it: it ruined everything.

So... I have watched the video and listened and took notes.
Unfortunately, nowhere did it mention the 4 Horses of the Apocalyspe, nor the Horse on ISIS' Logo (which is the very reason why I started this thread, not Iraq, not Somalia...)

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I made no such claim. Like you said, I was talking about a specific operation. The intiial force involved in that particular op was very small. There were more US troops in Mogadishu on that day but they were not involved. At least not until things went to hell and the rescue operation was  mounted. And prior to that day the US contingent had conducted six or seven similar raids with fairly small numbers of personnel. They even had a helicopter hit on one of those raids, but I believe it made it back to base.

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It was. In fact most of the country was. Nowhere did I state that Adid's was the ONLY militia.


Nevertheless, the statement that I was disputing - yours - was that a 1st class army was  somehow run into the sea by "a bunch of a**holes in flip flops." That's not accurate regardless of whether you're talking about the American involvement, or the whole sorry episode from start to finish. A conglomeration of military personnel from 15 or 20 different countries, with contingents of varying size and varying levels of training, equipment and ability, is by no possible stretch of the imagination a "1st class army". Nobody got " run" anywhere. The UN simply decided that the whole affair was a huge waste of time and resources and left. Much like most of the other well meaning and futile attempts by western powers to "help out" in other African and middle eastern countries.
Which sort of brings us back around to my "ignorant savages " comment. ISIS isn't the only gang that falls into that category.

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source of above quote: http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/Somalia/Somalia.htm