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Title: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/23/14 at 08:23:14 Over the past few weeks, we have all seen the atrocities committed by an army run amok, who call themselves "The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" - ISIS for short. Their logo is more and more often portrayed on news channels as the one seen in the picture below : http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS72Wk_DxwwukoGDAIFl0W-HxePEkwqYSXAsFcosPvlV4MzSEIWhttp://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQW1_MyR0UnjQDrXe35LRdEJcjd9o2X9gyYC1jqXHy1KXpZZeMp-Q Now, never mind what we all think of these people... This morning, a new logo appeared, so new in fact that it is not yet on Google... It is the same logo as above, but with three horseheads in the top portion of the circle, one red, one black, one green... :o My stomach twisted into a knot... :-X Why ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse#Pale_Horse Of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, - White (the only color not portrayed) "The first horseman is called Pestilence" - Red "The rider of the second horse is often taken to represent War[2] (he is often pictured holding a sword upwards as like ready for battle [15]) or mass slaughter" - Black "The third horseman rides a black horse and is popularly understood as Famine" . Pale (or Green) "The fourth and final horseman is named Death. Known as "the pale rider", of all the riders, he is the only one to whom the text itself explicitly gives a name. Unlike the other three, he is not described carrying a weapon or other object, instead he is followed by Hades (the resting place of the dead). However, illustrations commonly depict him carrying a scythe (like the Grim Reaper), sword,[21] or other implement." :-? :-/ :-? :-/ :-? :-/ :-X Now, those who know me well, fully well know I am a "skeptic", in that I do not go for "rapture" things nor do I believe in "miracles, dime a dozen!" I like to read the Bible to see exactly what it says, in what copntext and in what times. I try to understand the difference between a metaphore, a parable and an idiomatic expression, and have gained quite a few enemies and lost a few friends by defending my views and my quest to understand. However, when I saw that logo on Italian news this morning, I almost dropped my coffee in my lap. Is it just a coincidence ? Or is it far too precise to be a coincidence ? Of all possible symbols, they chose not a sword (as in the Saudi Flag) not a Crescent (as in many other flags) not the Sun (as in the modern Iraqi flag) not a 5 - 7 pointed star... but a horse ! Of all possible color combinations... red, black and green... in that very order ? Of all possible numbers, they chose exactly three ? Not one, not all four (because pestilence can be defeated, but not famine nor war, nor much less Death... Gentlemen, you have the floor (I'd like to see or Pastor from N.Carolina have his say). I'm all ears... |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by Pine on 08/23/14 at 08:31:06 An ominous observation. though I yield from the south of the US, I am no preacher. So your quest must continue. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/23/14 at 08:46:25 Doesn't mean sh*t. Even a bunch of ignorant savages can draw some pictures on a flag. Whether they understand the symbolism or not is irrelevant. They will continue to do what they do until the so-called civilized peoples on the planet recognize that fact and exterminate them like the vermin that they are. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/14 at 11:31:42 Just another indication that they are a manufactured entity supported by the globalist bunch. They are Big on symbolism.Satanists know the Bible better than most Christians. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by Ed L. on 08/23/14 at 19:26:29 Spray them with pork grease. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/24/14 at 03:07:21 615F5E52405C5D330 wrote:
The fact you consider them ignorant savages, rather than highly trained warriors motivated by religious fanaticism, leads me to understand your understanding of the problem. Or lack of it. Thank you for your precious insight. Of course, they are the monster, but who is Dr. Frankenstein ? Who gathered, equippedm, trained and funded them ? Think about it next time you utter the words "ignorant savages" in a single sentence. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/24/14 at 03:19:20 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
Just to underline the truth that lies under your intuition... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Clinton-Cheney-Iraq-ISIS/2014/06/27/id/579645/ http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamberger/hillary-clinton-admitted-to-creating-isis-in-her-memoirs-or#20b64x7 But also... "Egypt’s al-Shorouk newspaper reported Aug. 6: “Hillary Clinton drops a bomb and admits: Yes… I agreed with the [Muslim] ‘Brotherhood’ to promote ‘Daish’ [ISIS]” " http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Buh-HI8CMAAab6O.jpg Don't believe everything you see nor everything you hear... ...ESPECIALLY when it comes from the political leadership YOU support. In the era of global information, he who controls and manipulates information rules the Rulers. Take your time, invest in information, seek... where no Others are willing to seek. I have posted reliable and interesting sources of information in English, Worldwide, which are not linked nor controlled by the big US giants of information and investment. Try your hand with Google and English, German, Russian, SouthAfrican, Australian and Chinese newspapers online. You'll be surprised... every little helps. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/24/14 at 03:20:24 31080F04150E13610 wrote:
I was hoping someone would give "PrecherMike" a heads up on this... ::) |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 05:30:22 Quote:
You can try all you want to pretend that the ISIS guys are something that they are not, but the fact is that warriors motivated by religious fanaticism are indeed nothing but ignorant savages. I understand the situation far better than you appear to, despite your bogus attempts at appearing erudite. You are full of Bologna. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/14 at 07:05:43 They are ignorant savages and we need to hit them hard at every available opportunity. Britain needs to kick the doors down of those mosques they know offer safe harbor to killers like the guy who cut off the reporters head, and drag them out by their fingernails. All of Europe needs to get a handle on their immigration problems, letting Muslim fanatics gain a foothold in their nations and gradually taking over. We are not far behind. Anyone can walk into the US. You know our pu$$fied politicians would never kick a Muslim out who walked across the border along with a bunch of kids from South America. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 07:34:35 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732822/Vile-boast-Jihadi-John-I-ve-fortune-Bragging-British-executioners-sadists-say-ex-hostages-tortured-Tasers.html 23 year old,possibly part white, British, rap musician - if that isn't a textbook example of ignorance I've never seen one. The savage part goes without saying. Probably "highly trained" in military tactics too. No doubt at least up the the level of US Army Rangers or maybe even Navy Seals ::) Yeah, I think the Europeans have really got a handle on this situation ;D |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 08:23:40 A cure for cancer, written in detail, that is absolutely true, yet written in a language the doctor can not understand, or decipher, holds no value to him. The same can be said about scripture...... If the doctor searches out someone to interpret the cures direction for him, it has become a great learning, and a wonderful gift he can share to better mankind. If a person reading scripture seeks the same, the holy spirit will reveal the truths of the bible. We are foretold of events, only because all of us suffer in our beliefs :-[ If it was not for grace, well...... :-* |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/14 at 12:58:37 It's alarming that the people here have had Years of lies and distortions of the facts,Vietnam,WMDs ,on and on. Now we have clearly watched the facts about Ferguson be manipulated to create as much ill will as possible,and here comes a New Terrorist Group who Just Happens to get handed All Kinds of weapons WE Gave to the Iraqi army.. As IF they don't know to destroy what an enemy could use If you're bailing out..Horse carp. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/14 at 18:25:14 Now we have clearly watched the facts about Ferguson be manipulated to create as much ill will as possible Simply not true. The facts are manipulated out of fear of being label a racist and not part of the progressive group. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/14 at 22:02:29 When DOCUMENTED FACT is called racism,then what? |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WD on 08/25/14 at 00:00:51 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
Ask "Sharp Tongue", he's very good at taking proven facts (socio-economic, physiological, psychological, sociological), adding in "The Race Card", and making a scene. Everything "wrong" in the black community, be it induced by diet, lifestyle or culture, is somehow "magically YT's fault"... funny, I never asked the females to sit around smoking pot, spreading their legs and popping out spawn to get more government "entitlements". I had a black co-worker who was born and raised outside of Fort Lawton Oklahoma. Now lives in North Mississippi. His exposure to the urban black subculture sent him packing, he switched stores, he won't cross the state line into Memphis for ANY reason, and, in his words "The Memphrican't Negro is lower than dog s**t, makes me ashamed to be the same race as them". Is that racist, or is it being a realist? Calling out an entire group over the failings of the vast majority isn't racism, it is recognition that as a culture, that group should be classified as an abject failure. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/25/14 at 01:24:52 The very fact that this thread has been hijacked from "ISIS" to "Ferguson 2.0" is clear evidence that many of you still believe that the Oceans are like big huge monstrous moats around your castle. http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLCc5iV026UEmzMCt3GuIOw_5SpuEVKKp4VN3H2jymX2BQOiM4mQ Not so, you guys invented the airplane... it flies across the Big Waters... get a hang of it. As for ISIS figyhters being violent savages... let's go back 1000 years and see how Europeans fared (most of you being white skinned, methinks you're all of Europeans stock, yes?) Utter the word "crusader" and this is what comes to mind... http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbQt7HWfjhgZ3NnCr4sB3gY4URVY5nDZJZqqtBvOvB9L2EwQt Pity that, according to contemporary historians, those noble horsemen, though aristocratic, were90% of the time illiterate. Reading and writing were a waste of time left to the clergy - they were too busy learning the Arts of War. And if the aristocrats were illiterate, how do you believe the infantry fared ? If you Google "medieval infantry" you will find plenty of beautiful toy soldier kits - not credible, they're toys, made to look nice... Then you'll find paintings and mosaics of saints and famous people - most of the time these were either mythicized - hence depicted in full glorious armor, or aristocrats anyway (as St. George) so they were wealthy anyway. But if you look at frescoes painted in the Middle Ages, you'll be surprised to see the foot soldier was a peasant who would march to war barefoot (or with wooden clogs at best) and wielding his everyday utensils as personal weapon - knives, scythes, large hammers, axes... and a long pike to withstand the charge of the enemy horsemen. Their "armor" would often be little more than a vest padded in layers of leather and wool, and their "uniform" would be little more than a colored scarf tied around their neck - hence the modern necktie. And they were less than illiterate, as they only spoke the dialect from their land of origin. http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4kGkEscWbEczJ3fXJ-0wvPVviTI9Gp3vx5ABeOg-x0JOaKkgX "Medieval battles evolved slowly from clashes of poorly organized war bands into battles where tactics and maneuvers were employed. Part of this evolution was in response to the development of different types of soldiers and weapons and learning how to use these. The early armies of the Dark Ages were mobs of foot soldiers. With the rise of heavy cavalry, the best armies became mobs of knights. Foot soldiers were brought along to devastate farmlands and do the heavy work in sieges. In battle, however, foot soldiers were at risk from both sides as the knights sought to engage their enemies in single combat. This was mainly true of foot soldiers early in the period who were feudal levies and untrained peasants. Archers were useful in sieges as well, but also at risk of being rundown on the battlefield." Among the most famous infantry were the mercenary armies of Swiss Phalanx and the Dutch Lansquenet - literally, the "peasant with no land". http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTycYnz9SdQmPVotCT5TIsNz9okmll8jadGoiEjMY6oe33xEPX2Rwhttp://www.superstoria.it/images/foto/l4vol7-combattimentomercenari.jpg Fast forward to 2014, look at ISIS: those foot soldiers are not wielding axes, hammers or scythes, they are wielding anti-tank weapons, drive tanks, fire mortars, and run radio networks. They may be religious fanatics, but they have media managers, internet websites and run find-raising campaigns. http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJQssrcQ2IIl2mFbPy0lxh4DTkMovfCBASPAVo5rR_YXRwEnW4CQhttp://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwTA65J6GAmgCJGlZ-4av3ovQwNrJPkhCgTMtlqwK14Wl80j6Uhttp://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdQSmIt7TBSYcN2LfL2plArH932dWHdS-5NiBuiZNGl4_LPn0Hhttp://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQUwh5g49d6orfhJFCBs1FGqGpUpKbOcDDOckO0IwX5w_JcgZX What you are shown is THIS - light infantry on pickups. What you are NOT shoun is THIS - US tanks looted from Iraqi barracks. Not to mention heavy ordnance... I will spare you the pictures of captured SCUDs, heavy AAA and media production centers - they have it all, and are recruiting from Pakistan and India now, as well... Not quite my idea of "savages"... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIwqbZXdsFngepY0CTVmWHex7cu3XJ-HMvAqy1ERtQ8LfjJtghttp://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfpKooL8Mw_L2Zo6urwy-YI6G29NtwI8yKQrLQK_3yWqu0cqu5 |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/14 at 05:16:30 You gotta get the psychology. By labeling them savages it makes killing them easier and diminishes the threat. Yeah,they"Captured"weapons. When did any army bugout and leave such good stuff for the enemy? I say it was a staged event. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/25/14 at 06:00:11 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
Political correctness. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/25/14 at 06:39:31 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
Or... they shouldn't have had that kind of equipment, in the first place. Here, let me give you words of peace, that wirk in wartime just as well. Matthew, 7,6 "6"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" Unfortunately... in Iraq as in Georgia... 1st class equipment to a 3rd class army... :P |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/25/14 at 07:28:43 Quote:
I think you're still vastly overestimating ISIS's capabilities. The Kurdish peshmerga fighters have pretty much fought them to a standstill, with not much more than small arms and a few air strikes from the US. The ability to drive around in tanks and such that were designed and manufactured elsewhere does not make a gang of thugs into an armored division. ISIS has been as successful as it has been because the the Iraqi army, despite the US attempt to equip and train it, is worthless. The problem is not how dangerous or effective these a**holes are, it is that the western nations, Europe and the US, lack the political will to deal with them |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/14 at 08:53:51 When you can understand how these groups benefit the globalist scheme then you will be on your way to understanding WHY they don't get dealt with. Without that Destabilizing Force to upset things,there is no chaos from which to create the Order they want. Peace doesn't make Money nor does it consolidate power. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 08/25/14 at 23:53:22 7947464A5844452B0 wrote:
Very keen "force analysis". One detail, however, drives me nuts. The ability of a swarm of @ssholes in flipflops to run a 1st class army from a 1st class Nation to a standstill... if not out to sea... I leave the "historical analysis" to you, before somebody accuses me of... wait, it's coming... being "anti-American" :-X |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/26/14 at 05:35:04 Quote:
You are talking about Vietnam I believe. First of all the NVA was hardly "a bunch of a**holes in flip flops." It was in fact a very large, very well equipped, and very well trained conventional army, commanded by one of the finest military commanders of his era. Despite that the US defeat in Vietnam was entirely political, not military. I'm quite sure you know that very well. Besides, the US military is not fighting ISIS. The Iraqis, the Syrians, and the Kurds are. If you actually are interested in what happens ,from a purely military perspective, when a 1st class Western army confronts an army from the middle east - in this case probably the best that our muslim friends had at the time, look up the battle of Medina Ridge in the first Gulf War. The 2nd Brigade of the Iraqi Republican Guard Medina Division was orders of magnitude better than ISIS will ever be. Take a look at how well it did. ISIS is pestilential scum and should be exterminated. I am at a loss to understand why you seem to be so enamored of them, unless in some convoluted way that I really can't fathom, you believe that their existence is somehow the fault of the US. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/14 at 05:45:36 I think you're still vastly overestimating ISIS's capabilities. The Kurdish peshmerga fighters have pretty much fought them to a standstill, with not much more than small arms and a few air strikes from the US. I read an article by some former military guy who said without the US strikes, the Kurds would not have been able to stop ISIS. Not sure which is true. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/14 at 05:50:07 If you actually are interested in what happens ,from a purely military perspective, when a 1st class Western army confronts an army from the middle east - in this case probably the best that our muslim friends had at the time, look up the battle of Medina Ridge in the first Gulf War. The 2nd Brigade of the Iraqui Repulican Guard Medina Division was orders of magnitude better that ISIS will ever be. Take a look at how well it did. 100% correct Old one, but the interesting thing about that battle / war was it was perhaps the last major battle fought by the US (or will be fought?..) where political pressure from Washington did not rein in the goal of winning. We actually unleashed a high percentage of the US military's capability in that battle/war and the results were predictable. The fact remains; absent nuclear attack; there is no military capable of withstanding a full on assault by the US. However, particularly with Hopey-change and Eric Holder loitering around DC, this is unlikely to happen regardless of what our enemies do to us. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/26/14 at 05:55:17 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
Possibly, but I think that most of the air strikes were in areas where ISIS was actually engaged with Iraqi forces. Hard to know for sure though. In any event, even before the gulf wars, the Kurds managed to hold their own against Saddam's military - much better fighters than ISIS will ever be. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by old_rider on 08/26/14 at 20:39:05 Its simple Mpescatori.....they read the bible too....and try to scare the rest of the world by using the scripture against their "foe".... to instill fear into their enemy (Christianity). We did the same in almost every war...played loud music before an attack.... dropped leaflets describing the things that were wrong with their leaders and way of life....ect.... Fear factor.... it seems to be working for them...they were not a large force to start with....but they are forcing people to serve or die....so their army grows by leaps and bounds... Fear.... those folks cannot fight it...when they face death, they run away... Well 90% will run...then there are the dedicated terrorist who will walk up and pull the pin in front of you... |
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Title: Re: swarm in flipflops Post by mpescatori on 08/27/14 at 00:46:40 Actually, no, I wasn't thinking of Vietnam at all. Vietnam was one of the very last wars (not quite the last) to be fought according to conventional military doctrine. The NVA was a conventional Army, the Vietcong corresponding to (you may like this or not) the Résistance in France, Italy, Greece etc. in WW2). I was looking at Somalia. Operation UNOSOM 1 "Restore Hope" was a military disaster, and was quickly replaced by UNOSOM 2 with Pakistani, French, Belgian and Italian contingents only. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/SomaliaUNSOMII.jpg (I'm sorry but I could not find a map with UNOSOM 1 troop deployment - not that it was ever a military secret) As for the USArmy defeating the Iraqi Army, I wouldn't be overboisterous about it. There were eyewitness reports which were rather energically quelled, which accused some contingents of applying a "no POW" doctrine, bulldozing enemy trenches with soldiers buried alive. You only have to go and check which armoured regiments reported having "combat engineers" deployed with the combat troops. http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY6NP7j6lkTjBa1DnIXP034LmfzSkCNs8YdibWeiK1A4ysDsaahttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/DM-SC-92-03658.jpg/320px-DM-SC-92-03658.jpg http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/14/iraq.features111 'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with people's arms and legs sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands' (Patrick J Sloyan on how the mass slaughter of a group of Iraqis went unreported) |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/14 at 05:04:12 As for the USArmy defeating the Iraqi Army, I wouldn't be overboisterous about it. There were eyewitness reports which were rather energically quelled, which accused some contingents of applying a "no POW" doctrine, bulldozing enemy trenches with soldiers buried alive. You only have to go and check which armoured regiments reported having "combat engineers" deployed with the combat troops. 1) never heard that before. 2) I doubt it's true, at least in any great number. 3) even if it is, I will be just as boisterous as before. War is hell. Maybe that's why so many Iraqi "soldiers" (who were going to run the US military out of body bags) surrendered by the thousands like little school girls rather than try to make good on their pledge Again, if the US choose to unleash it's capability on anyone, the game would be over before it began. However, 1) we are overly compassionate nation and 2) emasculated liberal leaders would rather sacrifice our own troops rather than face worldwide condemnation. Vietnam classic case in point, but Afghanistan as well. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/27/14 at 05:48:09 Quote:
Ok. Fair enough. But characterizing that as a 1st class army being pushed into the sea buy a bunch of of a**holes in filp-flops is a bit disingenuous. The disaster in Mogadishu, and it was a disaster, was hardly a war. It was in fact a snatch and grab operation conducted by a small number, less than 100, of troops inserted into the center of a city controlled by Somali Militia, in order to capture some high ranking members of said militia. It went off the rails when first one, and then another of the helicopters used to transport the troops were shot down by RPG's. At that point the mission changed to an attempt to rescue/recover the crews. As a result a number of Army Rangers and SF personnel spent a very long night holed up in the center of the city, protecting their wounded and recovering the bodies of the Helicopter crews. Eighteen Americans were killed, about twice that number wounded, along with hundreds, perhaps as many as a thousand, Somalis. The next morning the Americans, the captured Somali militia leaders, the wounded and the dead were extracted by an Armored column consisting of the US 10th Mountain Division and The Pakistani UN contingent. One American pilot, who survived the crash was captured by the Somali militia, but was returned shortly thereafter. It was a very bad day for the US military but hardy the stunning debacle that you seem to want to make it out to be. Things like this have happened before, and will most assuredly happen in the future. Responding to outrage in the US over the loss of American Lives, President Clinton shortly ended all US involvement in Somalia. Let's not forget that the whole sorry adventure was an United Nations, not a US operation anyway, and was supposed to be a humanitarian mission because the residents of Somalia were being starved by the various militias that were vying for control. I don't think that there were ever more than about 1000 UN troops on the ground at any time. Possibly not even that many. One only has to look at the state of Somalia today to see how successful the whole effort was anyway. You are grasping at straws in order to make a point, which point I admit still eludes me. Unless, of course, as you alluded to yourself in a previous post, that point is simply to take a swipe at the US. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/14 at 15:10:02 Unless, of course, as you alluded to yourself in a previous post, that point is simply to take a swipe at the US. Touchdown! |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by Dane Allen on 08/28/14 at 16:08:57 Here's a little video explaining the muslim logos, where they come from and where the religion is going. http://youtu.be/NrRwnYKW7dM The Koran has a version of Revelations but in the Koran the appocalypse is a good thing (right up until the souls go in the lake of fire part in which they don't believe) The anti-christ to the Christians is the next prophet or caliphate for Islam. It's fascinating stuff regardless of your religious persuasion. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by pgambr on 08/28/14 at 17:27:23 Armageddon News :-?. I have to admit, I am interested to see what Pesci may have to say. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by old_rider on 08/29/14 at 00:52:59 Ok.... it's not political....and maybe not even religious...even though they are using it as such. EVERY and I mean EVERY war/cleansing action over there is simply ONE man convincing the others that he is the chosen one. It doesn't matter who supplies the weapons/training, the US and Russians, hell even the French have sold weapons to the areas. The poor bastards bow , scrape and fetch for anyone who says he is in charge. Yeah we had weapons in the area and trained all three sides. And they are using our weapons to kill each other...did we plan it? who knows....I don't think it would help us in an economic stand point...why would we fund a dang war that would raise oil prices?... JOG would say the Elite.. I say, its some dang wanna be Leader trying to take over the area....just like the last 1000 years.... Its coop after coop..... you figure it out.... it aint' about the money, the religion...those are just tools to get whomever wants the power..... Bad thing is... it will never change...until someone figures a way to redirect the "hostile actions" into a productive one. Hell we can't even figure that one out.....how can they? |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 08/29/14 at 05:07:34 old_rider wrote: Quote:
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by maxtowers on 08/30/14 at 16:28:11 457B7A76647879170 wrote:
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Exactly!. That's about as concise a description of the situation as I've ever heard.[/quote] Well, i have to say that i agree completely... On a different note, if someone believes in this kind of stuff, you might say that we are close to the apocalypse... as a matter of fact, the Ebola epidemic in Africa could be the first of the horsemen, and those ISIS @ssh0l3s are announcing it... in their flag... pretty scary uh? Anyway, i'm italian too, but definitively pro US, so much that i had a run to get the green card and then... but this is another story... i will post on the cafe just to share with you guys how a dream can crash in a second... |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 09/02/14 at 02:21:26 6D53525E4C50513F0 wrote:
The incident you describe was made into a movie called "Black Hawk Down", I believe. To claim that in Mogadishu there were no more than 100 troops means not knowing anything at all about UN Operations in Somalia - Mogadishu being the UN HQ with a 3-star general in command, and quite a big HQ! You may also want to read about an incident known as "Checkpoint Pasta" (because it happened near a flour mill built by the Italians in the 1930s) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_del_pastificio Unfotunately it's in Italian because the english version of Wikipedia will not mention it. You can use Google or Bing online translators. The aim was to capture rebel leader Mohammed Farah Aidid; the casualties turned to be 2KIA/36 wounded on the Italian side, 67KIA/103 wounded on the Somali side. This, according to body count. Hence, OldnSlow's claim "Eighteen Americans were killed, about twice that number wounded, along with hundreds, perhaps as many as a thousand, Somalis." is a bit tall. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 09/02/14 at 02:29:04 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
Given the quality of your news, I'm not surprised. That's why I made the effort of providing you the facts in English, courtesy of a British reporter. US Reporters were fed the news the USCommand wanted them to relay. War is hell, yes, it is. That is why there are things such as "Humanitarian Law" and "The Laws of Armed Conflict". But then, what should I know ? I'm only Italian... just like the guy who "invented" Humanitarian Law and Criminal Justice in the first place... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Beccaria http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Cesare_Beccaria_in_Dei_delitti_crop.jpg/220px-Cesare_Beccaria_in_Dei_delitti_crop.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Dei_deleti_e_delle_pene_1764.jpg |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 09/02/14 at 05:21:28 Quote:
Go back and reread what I wrote. I said that there were no more than 100 troops involved in the operation to capture Adid. And that the total UN contingent at any one time was about 1000. Official UN reports list the number of KIA for the entire operation as 6. Those reports don't even mention the Americans. The info I presented was accurate. You want to disagree with my conclusions, that's fine. But don't misquote me. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 09/02/14 at 05:43:53 082D22290D202029224C0 wrote:
Thank you, interesting viedo. At 1:35, it reminds Christians "beware of those who come in my name, claiming I am the Christ and deceiving many". I Googled and it turns out 99% of such Preachers are US Evangelists - the last one being a Korean Evangelist ? (But then, shortly before 9/11, Mullah Omar in Afghanistan claimed he was the 2nd Coming of the Prophet Muhammad, so they have the same problem, eh?) At 3:45 it mentions 2the false God 'Baal' or 'Bel' " ignoring that in Akkadic, "Baal" literally means "God". At 3:55, it mentions Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from Heaven, o Lucifer..." BIIIG Biblical mistake, the original hebrew does not read "Lucifer" but "Satan" (which in Hebrew is NOT the name of the/a Devil but merely means "Enemy (King)", in fact, Isaiah was addressing the contemporary King of Babylon. In fact, in Revelation 22:16, do we not read "I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star" It is Jesus speaking !!! 9:00 There is a bit of confusion here on "worshipping the stars". How many of you prepare a Christmas tree? How many place a STAR on top? How many read a Horoscope ? :-? 9:20 Baal = Allah ? Not so; In Arabic "Allah" has the same letters and meaning as Hebrew "El Al" or "El Elion", which is another name for YHWH... 12:20 "No Mark (of Allah) No sale (of food) ... and what do I see in the food basket ? Sausages ? ::) 13:00 Christians were already being persecuted in Rome so I wouldn't be surprised if John was actually referring to his own times... Else, given the rapid spread of Islam in the 6th and 7th century, that part of Revelation has already happened (or... is it a repeating prophecy ?) 15:25 "The Second Coming and Polar reversal" Ther, that did it: it ruined everything. So... I have watched the video and listened and took notes. Unfortunately, nowhere did it mention the 4 Horses of the Apocalyspe, nor the Horse on ISIS' Logo (which is the very reason why I started this thread, not Iraq, not Somalia...) |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by mpescatori on 09/02/14 at 05:58:24 oldNslow, I looked again and I believe I did not misquote you. "It was in fact a snatch and grab operation conducted by a small number, less than 100, of troops inserted into the center of a city controlled by Somali Militia, in order to capture some high ranking members of said militia." This means you believe and state that Mogadishu was under ther control of Somali Militia. Unfortunately, Somalia was in a state of civil war, so there more than one Militia. The UN Contingent was allied to none, as befits a UN contingent. The HQ of the UN Contingent (many Nations participated but outside of the UN Chain of Command) was in Mogadishu. YOU refer to one episode to capture Aidid, which generated the movie "Blackwahk Down" (which was distributed worldwide). I refer to another episode to capture Aidid, which generated the film "Checkpoint Pasta", which most probably was only screened in Italy and South America (which is Italy's biggest customer by far). We are not in disagreement here, it is just that your press only focus on whatever your troops do in any military operation worldwide, regardless of whichever other nations participate, and regardless of what they do. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 09/02/14 at 07:29:41 Quote:
I made no such claim. Like you said, I was talking about a specific operation. The intiial force involved in that particular op was very small. There were more US troops in Mogadishu on that day but they were not involved. At least not until things went to hell and the rescue operation was mounted. And prior to that day the US contingent had conducted six or seven similar raids with fairly small numbers of personnel. They even had a helicopter hit on one of those raids, but I believe it made it back to base. Quote:
It was. In fact most of the country was. Nowhere did I state that Adid's was the ONLY militia. Nevertheless, the statement that I was disputing - yours - was that a 1st class army was somehow run into the sea by "a bunch of a**holes in flip flops." That's not accurate regardless of whether you're talking about the American involvement, or the whole sorry episode from start to finish. A conglomeration of military personnel from 15 or 20 different countries, with contingents of varying size and varying levels of training, equipment and ability, is by no possible stretch of the imagination a "1st class army". Nobody got " run" anywhere. The UN simply decided that the whole affair was a huge waste of time and resources and left. Much like most of the other well meaning and futile attempts by western powers to "help out" in other African and middle eastern countries. Which sort of brings us back around to my "ignorant savages " comment. ISIS isn't the only gang that falls into that category. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/14 at 10:13:32 We can debate numbers all day,, and we can also remember we had No One in Cambodia.. IOW, whatever the report is, we dont really KNOW hoot.. It takes time to get people who are willing ( people who were there) to tell what happened.. Ferguson is HERE and we couldnt get the facts,, what makes These "facts" any more trustworthy? Remember Syria? Syrians leader Gassed the rebels? NO, he didnt. The rebels did a false flag, hoping to get US involved in their fight.. Had it worked, the number lost in that operation would have been Nothing compared to the number SAVED and the knowledge that they would now surely win, with the US OPENLY on their side.. We ARE on their side, and have been, and are REsponsible for the rebels even being there, but, thats all covert and hush hush.. |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by oldNslow on 09/02/14 at 13:09:21 Quote:
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source of above quote: http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/Somalia/Somalia.htm |
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Title: Re: Alarming Logo Post by Serowbot on 09/02/14 at 16:19:45 Has anybody actually seen this "Apocalypse" flag?... or is it just a rumor?... You'd think if they were making some kind of statement with this new flag,... it's image would be all over the place... :-/... http://0.static.wix.com/media/f4930e_56809f9a2ecdae6f7c284220afe6cae6.jpg_256 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y1G966gF0rM/U_eJOAnuY7I/AAAAAAAAC6g/wUZy44X4gu0/s1600/10443345_726459230726565_5640141365019359061_n.jpg |
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