OK MM, what rifle-ish calibers will you be a shooting at them there targets?   So far I just hear 30-30 ....

Describe your cartridges, them bullet tipped brass thangs, so I can try to bring some of the same.  

Ammo is scarce, so it would be nice to have some to shoot.

I won't be poking holes in your steel, 'cepting that 350 yard deer-like booger may take some light SMK damage to the haid bone.

Well OldFeller
I like to shoot my 222 with cast 60gr. bullets running about 22mag speed plus a little ...  

If your bringing your 7mm version of 308Winchester then a target paper frame and milk jugs are about the only thing you can't tear-up.   excluding the milk jugs of-course !       I Guess the good news is I have plenty of paper targets to staple to the foam board and/or trees.   I have the same problem when I get my .243 out.   Milk jugs and 2L bottle  up on the hill at up to 500yds are a good challange , if popping them from a steady rest gets to be booring then you can allways try 500yds 2L jugs of hand.     I find ranges past 400yds are challanging couse the wind and temperature mess with your bullets.     .

I haven't bought any ammo except 22LR and 32 acp in  a really long time, and the only jackets I've bought in the last 10 years are .243 and .223 's.    I buy GasChecks for .357's , 222's and 30-30's.  

Whats your favorite rifle ?    I've noticed rifle ammo is about a $1.00 a pop now,  I'm thinking about getting one of those dual cal. air rifles from WalMart for $98.00.  . 1200fps in 177 and 950fps in 22 cal. ought to be hard hitting enough for back yard fun.    I've got a set of "Iron Turkey" and homemake "swinging" target for pellets too.  Kinda like a "Flint-Lock" you doin't have to make powder for!


I like my GARMIN's  got three of them now. One lives in my car, one lives in wife's car , and the other one keeps a motorcycle as the Icon.  

How recoil sensitive are you?  

30-30 is a low kicking quick second shot lever action.   Very popular for short range deer hunting up to about 250 yards (ie most deer hunting).  Shoots lead very well too.

30-06 is a long heavy bolt action (slow second shot) and it kicks your shoulder up at the 20+ ft pound level which is acknowledged by all gun writers as being about as much as normal shooters can stand without developing a nasty flinch.

Seriously, you might want to hold off on the big gun buy stuff until after the trip --- you will get the chance to handle and shoot both guns and see which one really suits you best.


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Favorite rifle?   It changes, periodically.   I like the 7mm-08 for a steady lately but I will date around some.

500 yards and 1 liter pop bottles --- we shall have some fun, shan't we?


Cartridge list

30-30
30-06
7mm-08

old rider

if your thinking of reloading a full size brass then stay in the 308 winchester family (.243,7mm-08,308,358win.) ,  that 30-06 group (.25-06,270Winchester,30-06,358rem.) is leftover from the blackpowder days and has WAY-TO-MUCH space inside for any kind of accuracy with anything but mass quanitys of the slowest powders.  

unless your going after elphants and elk , then the .223 family will do anything you want.  I think there is a 6mm version.(6X45).     You know bigger bullets cost more than smaller ones ?    I've never investagated where the 7.62X39 goes and becomes but there may be something there too.   I know "Cheeper than dirt" turns loose of there AK rounds a lot easier than $1.00 per pop !  

Check out the cost of bullets , check millitary supplus verses comerical brass prices , then go to:http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
look at the powder required to run the speeds you want.   it might save ya a buck or two !  

I thought the gun questions were being moved to this thread?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1382594611

Just Sayin............

If I make it, it'll be 45 round ball and #11 caps.

Can you change the nipple over to a current size in the bolster?

IE,  buy a emplacement current style nipple?

MM.....My rifle is a small caliber gun that my dad gave me when I was a kid.  It was built in the 1800's and I shot it a lot when I was young.  I used an M1 30 caliber shell as the powder measure.

I guess I will have to take the nipple off and get one that is #11 size.  My dad hat a lot of #12 primers.....and until a few weeks ago I didn't know that I could not get primers for it.  My wife's school was taking a field trip to Metamor Indiana, and the teachers always get to shoot the muzzle loaders and the best shot gets a prize.  I loaded up my gun so she could practicde and get used to the double triggers and the weight - but then I discovered I didn't hvae any primers that worked.....and that no one has an #12 primer caps anymore.

Dave