Dane your quoting skills are the best ... I salute thee ...

I dont respond with anything insulting or name calling etc etc unless I was first called names by the person I am calling names in that thread. However since I am older than 8 I cant use that as a cover ... so sorry for calling you names or derogatory remarks to you the person.

All the rest of your points are completely hollow.

Example - chinese workers are not unionised, they are oppressed and exploited and the "Union" is an arm of their well connected employer. And Vers - I didn't say they were unionised. I said they are leaving the factories and they will eventually become unionised. Dane said they are unionised cos they are communist.

I own a ford and have since 1998. Bought a 97 in 98 lightly used. I also own a chrysler and have owned that since 2008. That guy was a 93 and was quite well used.

I own a good bit of chinese junk. However if I have used and broken something more than 1-2 times causing me greivous pain - like a tap breaking off in a cyl head - that will be replaced by american. I got all craftsman tools with the heavy use ones the m10, m8, 5 and 6 allen and a few crescent wrenches - all snap on. Not even new snap on, old snap on. 30-40 yr old snap on, those suckers weigh 2X the 20 yr old craftsman.

Republicons want to give tax breaks to the wealthy under the guise of "job creators" ... when companies that actually create jobs - the GEs, the GMs, the B of As, the Googles pay nothing in taxes. They use a double dutch with irish techinque and pay nothing already. In effect GE got a refund ... after paying 0 taxes... So giving tax breaks to the wealthy is just free $$$ for the Blankfeins, the Moynihans, the Dimons ... all coming out of my pocket ... They dont create jobs - unless you're wanting all of us to be their gardener, maid and cook. The corporations they work for create jobs - but those are @ 0 or less already.

Our economy was stalled till 6 months ago cos the republicons were saying "NO" to everything. They did not want the economy to improve before the election since that would look better for Obama. I thought I mentioned that in the post too.

You have more of these hollow arguments put in nice quotes in your post. I guess you rely on making things look pretty cos you dont have any real points. Real points - not fake points.

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Srinath.

srinath wrote on 04/04/13 at 13:43:45:


It's not difficult. just type quote sorrounded by [ and ] at the start and /quote surrounded by [ and ] at the end. It really keeps the conversation clearer.

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and you were doing soo well and then this.  

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Funny how those companies you listed are heavy democrat donors, it's almost as if those companies gave money to democrats in return for financial kickbacks, but that can't be proven since everything but the donor records is a backroom deal. So much for the most transparent government ever.

Besides, it is small business that is the engine of job creation. Tax breaks for the wealthy is such a nonsensical statement, no one get a tax break for being wealthy. Legal entities receive tax breaks for engaging in the activity the government WANTS them to engage in.

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So, it looks like you are saying that by saying "NO" to everything and the economy is recovering that Republicans pulled us out of the recession. Maybe you and I can agree on something afterall.

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If they are fake or hollow then why are you having soo much trouble refuting them? I seem to be doing pretty well rebutting your statements without blanket judgements. These posts are free and you aren't charged by the word so you should have ample opportunity to walk the talk.

Anyone can say "your points are fake" and then walk away but in the world of informed debate the points stand until shown to be false. I'm not sure I have seen such a situation yet.

As with everything its point of view. China has 2 bits of news in the last year.
People are not moving to the factories in large numbers anymore. People are moving back to the villages.
Wages in china for the common worker are rising faster than they are for the top, in fact they have risen in china as a percentage more than they have in the US in the last few years.

Dude the republicons saying NO stalled the economy for 2 years ... that ended when they lost the 2012 elections. So yes we agree.

That pretty quoting you do, so cool, keep it up, makes it very easy to read. So pretty. So pretty, like a pink polka dot bikini on a girl with a 36dd 24 36 figure. Yeaaaa, very nice.

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Srinath.

Here's what I think we should do.Raise the income tax 10% for everyone.Cut all SS., welfare checks,all public workers,Thats teachers,police,townsmen,congress any one paid by the state or federal gov. 10%.You will say there wont be any spending,Your wrong the young people have no problem putting things on their credit card.

Even in america the union movement was not peaceful. In china the first few steps have already occoured.
1. People are not rushing to the factories, and there are people moving out.
2. Wages for the lowest in the factory are rising at faster rates than they did in the US in the last 10 years.

Look it up. Eventually China is going to turn into India. Sort of, atleast where unions are concerned. Now India is a parliamentary democracy. But there is corruption. And politics and industry are not overtly mixed. You wont find the local politician meddling in a factory. However workers are not oppressed. We dont drag sick people into the factory, we dont stack them in coffin sized dorms, we dont feel afraid of our employer. The employee is to find their own accomodation and usually everyone works not far from where they live.
And we quit jobs we dont like and say for "what you're paying you could hire a donkey, but this job needs 3 donkeys". That's just the line I used.

Is India Unionised - yes, but its not like it is in the US.

Say we use the Escorts group as an example. They famously make the Royal enfield Bullet single. The union is just for that company. When they go on strike, the production @ that company stops, it does not affect the rest of the motorcycles being made, not does it affect much of anything else. If you're a small company that say supplies turn signal bulbs to them, you're screwed. Small companies typically are not unionised. However since there is competition for the employees, typically the small company has to pay more to keep them.

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Srinath.

Good! It doesnt require a union to go on strike. All it takes is having sorry enough conditions that everyone say Screw Them,, Lets see how their goobs handle that.

Got any links to stories about this?

Youve seen stories about the "Anti-Suicide" nets put up around some of the factories in China? Like where they make I-Phones, right?

srinath wrote on 04/07/13 at 15:02:17:


You're confusing Hong Kong as being a part of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as is all of mainland China. Hong Kong is an island off the coast of mainland China and was a UK colony until 1997, when the UK ceded it to the PRC as a Special Administrative Unit. At that time, the Hong Kong Basic Law was implemented in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle. Essentially, "the Basic Law stipulates the basic policies of the PRC towards the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. As agreed between the PRC and the United Kingdom in the Joint Declaration, in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle, socialism as practiced in the PRC would not be extended to Hong Kong. Instead, Hong Kong would continue its previous capitalist system and its way of life for a period of 50 years after 1997. A number of freedoms and rights of the Hong Kong residents are also protected under the Basic Law."

For mainland China, the right to strike was dropped from the 1982 Constitution. Specifically, Article 53 of the 1982 Constitution states that citizens must abide by the law and observe labor discipline and public order.

So people have the freedom to strike in Hong Kong until 2047. If they strike after 2047, it will be considered a criminal act, as it has been designated in mainland China for the last 31 years.

srinath wrote on 04/08/13 at 08:37:40:


You just can't let it go, can you?