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Title: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/25/13 at 05:35:47 I'm no math wiz so feel free to double check me but with an overall budget of 3.6 trillion and a demand to cut 85 billion from it, that equals a percentage of 2.4%. Are you kidding me?! Our elected bunch of pathetic losers can't find a way to cut 2.4%?!!! I read the headlines of my local paper this morning and it was doom and gloom. What am I missing?.... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 02/25/13 at 08:48:49 Oh yea Mitt RMoney spends that on hair gel and viagra. Easy. If republicons say how much to cut, then they dont get to say where to cut. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by verslagen1 on 02/25/13 at 11:16:52 How much would we save by cutting congressional pay by 5% and setting their pension to social security standards? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Pine on 02/25/13 at 11:46:21 657661607F7274767D22130 wrote:
I am all in favor of this!!!! and removing thier free gym, and free hair salon.... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/26/13 at 05:30:09 someone wrote an article exactly as i was thinking. We are being lied to and both parties are trying to scare us into thinking the sh*t's gonna hit the fan when it will not. The sequester imposes savage spending cuts Actually, the sequester doesn’t cut federal spending at all, or rather it cuts it only in the Washington sense of any reduction from projected baseline increases is a cut. In reality, even if the sequester goes through, the federal government will spend more every single year. In fact, in 2023 it will be spending $2.39 trillion more than it does today. OK, but at least the reductions in projected spending are big, right? Hardly. This year, the sequester would slow the growth in federal spending by just $85 billion, from an expected, pre-sequester budget of $3.64 trillion — less than a 2.3% reduction. To put that in perspective, the federal government borrows $85 billion every 28 days . In fact, this actually overstates the size of this year’s cuts. Because of ongoing contracts and the Byzantine labyrinth of federal budgeting, only $44 billion of that $85 billion will actually be cut from this year’s budget. The rest will be cut in future years, but attributed to this year’s budget. So, the real reduction in federal spending this year is just 1.2%. If the federal government can’t reduce spending by less than a penny-and-a-half on the dollar without throwing us into the dark ages, something is truly wrong. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by 12Bravo on 02/26/13 at 06:37:43 023B3C37263D20520 wrote:
I am all in favor of this!!!! and removing thier free gym, and free hair salon....[/quote] That would definitely be a good start. Along with not sending so much $$$ overseas in foreign aid. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WD on 02/26/13 at 21:11:02 Let's see... close all of our overseas bases, the locals don't want us there, think they don't need us there... Mandatory sterilization of those on the public dole, no more paying them to be lazy breeders and rewarding their lack of... Cut Congressional pay and benefits... no more pork barrel trips on the public dime... No more foreign aid, period... make prisoners earn their roof and food, no more cable tv, weight rooms, so called educational programs... no more ongoing appeals through the entire court system until a convict dies of natural causes, capital crimes means march you out the back door and execute you... That should take care of at least 40% right there. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 05:05:41 a perfect paragraph that describes the nonsense that is Washington DC.... If the sequester cuts go into effect, domestic agencies would have to cut 5 percent from their budgets after having received a 17-percent increase during the president’s first term (not counting the more than a quarter-of-a-trillion stimulus bonus). And our budget this fiscal year would still be larger (by some $15 billion) than it was in the last fiscal year. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 02/28/13 at 08:09:17 What I dont understand is this.They want to raise taxes on all the people that work. Therefore we have less money in our pockets. However they never want to cut entitlements so that those that dont work have less money in thier pockets. Everyone that gets a paycheck just received a 1% increase in taxes to pay for Obama care (supposidly). I have 1% less income to live off of and spend into the economy. I would bet if they took the same 1% out of the pockets of those that receive entitlements you would have the cuts you are looking for. This whole thing is just more stupidity created by the government (in this case OBAMA, PS, I am not for either party) to create fear and hestaria so that stupid people will vote for higher taxes. Your Government spent 128 million dollars last year to study YOGA. We won't pay the people that protect us but I have a guy that works in my plant (he has a good paying job) and he, his wife and his two children EACH have a taxpayer paid for Obama phone. It is disgusting. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 02/28/13 at 09:09:48 I would accept a mere 1 million to study yoga pants. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 02/28/13 at 12:36:58 You all want to blame Obama for this and that ... when Bush caused all the problems ... And Obama just said we are going to pay our obligations ... You didn't have to pay an extra 1% for OBAMA care, I had $$ returned to me after Obama care went through ... its opinions opinions opinions Oh yea Gubbamint created the sequester ... not Obama. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 12:50:57 Oh yea Gubbamint created the sequester ... not Obama No; obama created this. Nice try, but Bush did not create all these problems. This is obama's economy now, and his alone. He begged for this job and said him and him alone could fix it. He's gotten almost every single thing he's wanted and the results speak for themselves. yes, taxes for obamacare are kicking in now. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 12:59:23 The White House is threatening a presidential veto of a Senate Republican measure that would give President Barack Obama more authority and flexibility to find $85 billion in spending cuts this year. The measure is intended to replace the automatic across-the-board cuts scheduled to kick in Friday. you see? obama doesn't want to cut spending. he doesn't want to compromise. he doesn't want anything except the issue to hit the other party over the head with using his friends in the media to make sure the lies are spread. if you can't find a way to cut 2.4% and will veto a bill making it easier for you to do so, well, then, that's pretty f'ing pathetic..... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 02/28/13 at 12:59:38 srinath, do you have any idea how blind you are to anything other than what the left tells you. Sorry but I have heard a lot of politicians from both sides on TV and radio over the last two weeks including your precious OBama and they all have the same position. "I am willing to compromise and work this out but no one else is" Open your eyes it is BS from ALL of them. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 02/28/13 at 13:05:27 Quote:
The White House could not care less if these cuts go thru. They know that their blind followers like "srinath" will blame it on Bush and the Republicans no matter whos fault it really is. Obama can stop this anytime he wants. The Republicans keep trying to work this out and the closer they get the more Obama moves the goal post "why" because he does not want it stopped. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 02/28/13 at 13:28:31 Opinions my friends ... Your Windbag Mitch McConell filibustered his own bill ... Your windbags are blocking everything ... Obama wanted to do a lot of things before these hit the fan ... Republicon minorities in the senate and majorities in the house are blocking ... Sorry you're facts are all wrong. Stop listening to Rush "My house keeper told me these pills are headache pills and when I grind and I snort them they make pretty colors" Lamebag ... There is no such thing as "fact" my friend ... You should know that .. there is your fact and there is my fact, and there is webby's fact and JOG's fact ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 13:42:33 Your Windbag Mitch McConell filibustered his own bill ... here's the stupidity we have to deal with...... Like this has anything to do with what we're talking about.... I guess I could bring up the fact that obama hasn't passed a budget since he's been president. The one that went to vote was voted down by everyone, even in his own party. Obama wanted to do a lot of things before these hit the fan ... Republicon minorities in the senate and majorities in the house are blocking ... Tell me a major piece of legislation related to the economy Obama wanted that has not passed? Sorry you're facts are all wrong. Stop listening to Rush "My house keeper told me these pills are headache pills and when I grind and I snort them they make pretty colors" Lamebag ... again, complete stupidity not even related to this topic. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 02/28/13 at 13:58:13 Is it a "Fact" that there is no such thing as "Facts" |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 02/28/13 at 14:24:31 Once again I am not your answer man ... You want any of these you go find em yourself ... I call it as I see it. I am aware that Obama made a promise before 08 that he will fix it, and if he does not, he will be a 1 term proposition ... and Mitt "I will collect on Obama's promise, and I have so much money its in my name" RMoney wanted to collect ... but well sadly couldn't. I wont judge Obama against his promises, he's had too many impediments. He barely has had 2 years of what Bush had for 6 ... I'd judge Obama against the options and the alternatives, and he turns up better vs those. Besides, healthcare reform is just starting to pay off in small measures for me, of course its supposedly front loaded, benifits come first, the cost increases come later ... Like pre-existing condition, children on parents policy till 26 etc etc already occoured, so the benefits come first. Maybe your policy went up under Obama care, but would have gone up more without it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 14:37:29 You want any of these you go find em yourself ... I call it as I see it. I know the answer, you don't want to face the reality. He's gotten everything he's wanted and things are still getting worse. Besides, healthcare reform is just starting to pay off in small measures for me, thanks to everyone else paying for it including me. You're welcome. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 02/28/13 at 14:39:03 At leas tyou consed a little. If you actually read my post you would know that I blame the republicans just as much as the democrats. Neither should be defended. IMHO |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 02/28/13 at 14:44:44 657B404158444D51280 wrote:
Democrats were just the less of the 2 evils. No one said otherwise. Well except the right wingers in here ... they want to blame everything on Obama. Webby ... you're not paying more under Obama care ... you're blaming Obama care for what you're paying perceiving it as an increase when its a smaller increase than it would have been without. I have an 80/20 refund come through after Obama care ... no one's insurance will have had to go up yet under Obama care, of course unless your employer decided to back out of what they were paying cos they hate Obama and make your payments go up and they know you'd blame Obama as well ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/13 at 17:50:27 oh yea, i forgot, money grows on trees for you guys...... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 04:55:18 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
Like Cheney said there where Nukes were growing on trees in Iraq ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 03/01/13 at 06:20:38 What does that have to do with the argument? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/13 at 09:32:17 Just like back in 73 or so, what is being TRied here is a reduction in the rate of growth. Even With these proposed "Budget Cuts", spending will increase. More $$$ will be spent. Theyre crying because of proposed decreases in the rate of growth. The way things have been done is how theyll be done. OUr nation WILL be Greece. OUr Royalty in DC will continue to live like kings & we will be the serfs who do with less & less until,, well,, until we decide weve had enough. They know that & Thats why they want the guns. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 09:45:11 Tired of all the lies and misconceptions here ... For the 30,000 th time, to be like greece we will have to do all of these things - Hand over the control of our currency to a third nation that does not trust us, as in we can not print $, have a near 200% debt to GDP ratio, and have a world that will not accept USD for payments of anything. These 3 have to all happen plus many other small milestones to be turning us into the United states of Grease. We will never become greece or Italy or spain or ireland. Ever. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by MShipley on 03/01/13 at 09:48:36 Hummmmmm I bet thats what the Romans thought. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 09:50:01 48796A79696D796C180 wrote:
What ? $$ growing on trees ? That you may need to ask webster. I am just pointing out the lies that have hurt the US more by Cheney saying Nukes in Iraq. Wars cost $$ and they cost more as they drag on longer. The expense under Obama is just due to the fact that Bush dragged us into 2 countries 1/2 way round the world without an exit strategy based on lies. When you can answer that, I'd suggest you'd find the answer to the $$$ question hidden in it. Bills have to be paid, lets see, you run up bills @ christmas, then blame your wife for paying those bills in february ? That is what the right blaming Obama for govt expenses. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 09:50:57 524C77766F737A661F0 wrote:
I didn't know Rome Had a president Cheney ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 03/01/13 at 11:09:00 797863646B7E620A0 wrote:
Like China? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WD on 03/01/13 at 11:27:04 My health care costs went up across the board and I'm self-employed. Insurance premium went up, office and prescription co-pays went up, more providers have opted out of accepting Blue Cross Blue Shield... So I pay more every month and receive less healthcare for my dollar... Real winner of a health care reform measure... woo hoo... more like FU... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 11:54:04 1021322131352134400 wrote:
Like China? --Steve[/quote] Not even close. In fact its the opposite, China has handed over their currency to us, by pegging to the USD. In effect the fact you said "China" shows me your understanding of this is almost the opposite of what it is. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 12:03:57 6477330 wrote:
Yea Tennessee is one of those anamolies I had heard something about. Now that may be wrong, but you should check what you have got more for that $, and I'll use a car example ... your state raises it from say 50K to 100k, suddenly your premium will jump ... Also You need to find out what your increase will have been in the absence of Obama care. For 2011 I got a refund in the middle of 2012 due to the 80/20 rule. However in 2012 maybe my insurance company paid the claims instead of denying them and the 80/20 refund may not come. That doesn't mean Obamacare cost me more. When they figure out they cant deny claims and line their pockets, they decide to pay the claims ... Maybe you had that happen ... maybe your insurance company was at better than 80/20 say 85/15, and when they saw 80/20, they decided to line their pockets to the tune of 80/20 and deny claims ... Not all cost increases are cost increases, and not all refunds are refunds ... Obamacare puts more power in the hands of the sick, the ones with pre existing conditions, kids graduating from college etc etc, sometimes it may cost someone not in that situation some $ ... but your insurance company cant drop you when you get sick, or you cant be denied when you have pre existing conditions. Its not perfect, but it seriously puts more power in the hands of the consumer. And as a parent of an autistic child, I can now buy insurance for myself, without employer backing me. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WD on 03/01/13 at 14:56:30 Health care cap is still $25K per year. Was slated to go down a bit in price, instead went up. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 15:18:37 4655110 wrote:
When was it slated to go down for 2013 ? in 2009 ? AKA before ObamaCare ? Or was it say 2012 (after Obamacare) but went up - as in something changed and went up ? Find out what changed. I dont think I'd blame Obama care without all the details - I dont mean you should give me those details, just check for yourself and you'd see, maybe its something you can live without and save yourself some $. JOG - China can say all the sheite they want ... we dont have to do squat. And china is going to buy up, lets say what, for being easy they buy california - OK then what are they going to do ? We dont have to let them come to visit CA - we dont give them visas. We dont have to let them take our almonds from CA we can hit em with export duties. We dont have to do squat china says. They can give us all the $$$ they want, well, they are getting some legislation through corrupt politicians, but the fact they have lent us $$$ isn't getting them that. Politicians are for sale ... And your taxes or insurance going up, probably to fund Mitt "I got so much money its in my last name" RMoney's viagra or John "I sound like a windbag cos that is the right voice for a politician" Boehner's cigarettes and the Cheney wars ... JOG: You're right on 1 count ... both sides suck, but after 8 years of Cheney+Bush with 6 of that with a rubber stamp congress and Obama has barely had 2 years in the 4 so far I think I am ready for 6 years of Obama with a rubber stamp congress. Now we have less than one half of one third of the legislature holding the country hostage to the sequester. The republicons in the congress not even the senate, basically are making sequester go into effect. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 16:04:10 1704400 wrote:
He he I thought of something ... if your company was denying every claim that came its way, and they were at say 50/50 (as in they are paying out 50% and pocketing 50 ... they could have saved you lots of $$$) take away the motive by limiting their profit @ 20%, then they will be paying the claims and they end up @ say 90% pay out and they would have to raise your premium ... I'd call that a good thing, cos they're paying instead of denying claims ... but you may not. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Midnightrider on 03/01/13 at 17:08:16 Everyone knows we give billions to countries who hate us, burn our flag and support terroism. I'd say that might make a good start as far as cutting spending. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 17:52:06 092D202A2D232C30362D202136440 wrote:
But then hey may hate us even more, burn down our flag 2 X much ... :D Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 17:58:56 BTW the very fact that there has to be cuts shows you how un giving the republicons are ... we didn't send these fools to DC to turn around and hack our heads off. I want to see People like Mitt RMoney pay a little more in taxes. I dont want much of nothing cut - yea foreign countries who hate us, yea cut that. But nothing else, not unemployment, not SS, not medicare/aid ... Oh yea tax bullets 100 a pop, and use that to psycho analyse the ones hoarding up. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 03/02/13 at 06:16:33 I'm getting on a plane Monday morning and if i have to wait one second longer to have my junk x-rayed because of the POS president, i'm gonna freak out..... If you can't find a way to cut a few % points of your budget after you've gotten 17% more the past 4 years, then you need another job.... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/02/13 at 16:25:15 7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:
Hey you have no right to complain Mr CEO ... you're paying nothing in taxes, so not getting X-Rayed promptly is not that bad huh. Not like me, paying working class taxes on working class wages and still waiting to get x-rayed. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Serowbot on 03/02/13 at 16:43:54 597D707A7D737C60667D707166140 wrote:
Foreign aid, is less than 1% of our budget... We spend more on office water coolers... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/13 at 18:41:54 5B5A4146495C40280 wrote:
Hey you have no right to complain Mr CEO ... you're paying nothing in taxes, so not getting X-Rayed promptly is not that bad huh. Not like me, paying working class taxes on working class wages and still waiting to get x-rayed. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Doesnt matter who is complaining. Everyone has the RIGHT to complain about being abused & whats being done to us IS abuse in the airports. X-Ray exposure? Not good. Being groped if ya dont wanna get a dose of X-Rays? WRONG,,America is so screwed up.. Ive Finally got it,, Now I know what it is that PIsses me off so much about you Sriwhatever,, You dont operate on Principle. Its all agenda & justification with you. Pretending a man doesnt have the right to complain because of how he earns his $$$,, what unmitigated horse crap.. I could sit & argue with anyone else here for hours & drink a beer & talk it out, but Im pretty sure I couldnt stay civil in your presence. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Midnightrider on 03/02/13 at 20:11:45 6573647961747962160 wrote:
Foreign aid, is less than 1% of our budget... We spend more on office water coolers... ;D...[/quote] What the goverment calls foreneign aid is not adrop in the bucket true. What does it cost to keep 65,000 soldders stationed in japan. Everytime we build an air base or now a drone station these countries get millions from us. We need to mind our own business and keep our money here. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/13 at 05:58:21 Hey you have no right to complain Mr CEO ... you're paying nothing in taxes, so not getting X-Rayed promptly is not that bad huh. Not like me, paying working class taxes on working class wages and still waiting to get x-rayed. you're an absolute POS. I pay more in taxes than you make you pathetic twerp. I'll complain all i want. I'm done even responding to a single thing you post from here on out. Don't address me in any of your post either moron. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/03/13 at 07:04:41 794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:
Yes webby, Mitt RMoney Paid more in taxes than I made ... but he paid 13% of what he made over 20 years as per his tax accounting firm ... while I paid closer to 30% Righteous pretense wont get you no where, you've well identified yourself with the uber rich and their whining about how they are paying taxes ... and they need it to be lower ... You may pay more in taxes, but you may also pay less in a percentage. That must be what you are getting all riled up about ... OK so lets see here, airports were built by tax dollars, they are not fully collected by airport and airline fees. They are paid for by tax payers. So you're making your $$$ on other people's payments and refusing to pay for it in your own taxes. Be indignant all you want, its as hollow as Mitt Rmoney's promises, and his Tax accounting firm Price Waterhouse Coopers declaration of his tax rate over 30 years. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/03/13 at 07:10:08 Ooooo JOG ... poor JOG, couldn't stay civil ... why doesn't that surprise me. So you dont want to be x-rayed or groped @ airport ... you can do what I do then ... be too poor to get on a plane ... Once I was allowed on a plane ... turns out it was a mess, and someone had to clean it up. Sorry man, I work for a living, I cant worry about being x-rayed, I have more trivial things to worry about, like how am I gonna feed my family, how I am going make the house payment and how am I going to manage on 350 a week down from 535 a week if I got laid off. And you operate on principle and not agenda ... yea that is another big lie. Cool. Srinath. 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
Hey you have no right to complain Mr CEO ... you're paying nothing in taxes, so not getting X-Rayed promptly is not that bad huh. Not like me, paying working class taxes on working class wages and still waiting to get x-rayed. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Doesnt matter who is complaining. Everyone has the RIGHT to complain about being abused & whats being done to us IS abuse in the airports. X-Ray exposure? Not good. Being groped if ya dont wanna get a dose of X-Rays? WRONG,,America is so screwed up.. Ive Finally got it,, Now I know what it is that PIsses me off so much about you Sriwhatever,, You dont operate on Principle. Its all agenda & justification with you. Pretending a man doesnt have the right to complain because of how he earns his $$$,, what unmitigated horse crap.. I could sit & argue with anyone else here for hours & drink a beer & talk it out, but Im pretty sure I couldnt stay civil in your presence. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/13 at 07:31:29 Yep, I operate on Principle. It took me till I was in my early 20's to figure it out. Right & wrong kept changing. Society said something was bad & unacceptable in 1960, but later it was okay. Stuff like that. I couldnt keep up. I Needed a solid, unchanging foundation. Right is RIGHT, wrong is Wrong. YOuve seen my arguments. POlitical ? I stay the same. Wrong for Clinton? Then its wrong for Bush, too. I dont play the "Well, YOUR guy did Even WOrse, so MY guy is okay" game.,. I AM principled.,. You decide how you "Feel" about something based on all kinds of things. Looka this you said'' So you dont want to be x-rayed or groped @ airport ... you can do what I do then ... be too poor to get on a plane . Thats about the most ridiculous position Ive heard. You pretend that whats happening doesnt matter because you cant afford to fly. You dont care about whats being done to others? But, I thot you were a Democrat, caring ^& loving & fighting for what people need in life. YOu dont have a problem with the TSA dragging paraplegics outta chairs & groping kids? .. Once I was allowed on a plane ... turns out it was a mess, and someone had to clean it up. So? How is this relevant? Sorry man, I work for a living, I cant worry about being x-rayed, I have more trivial things to worry about, like how am I gonna feed my family, how I am going make the house payment and how am I going to You that broke? Get a part time job. I always had jobs that kept me goin 60 + hours a week. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/03/13 at 07:44:28 JOG Your post is a bot hard to read. But I cant get another job, I already work 50+ hours and have to work around my wife's job to be home for my autistic son. I am not for groping kids or paraplegics - however that isn't Obama or Bush, rather its both, and neither side liked it and there is no way to prevent it. Cos terrorists used planes to ram buildings. I am not going to toe the line from the left ... I make my own way. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/13 at 08:14:21 and neither side liked it and there is no way to prevent it. Cos terrorists used planes to ram buildings. Bullshit. That you believe that is part of your problem with seeing things straight. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/03/13 at 08:52:57 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
I forgot you're a troofer ... OK OK the govt blew up the buildings and blamed the airlines so they are groping people as an excuse to get their jollies. OK happy ... OK. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/13 at 05:03:40 President's over reach from time to time and this one has done it often, but has been bailed out by his friendly media contacts, but has he gone to far this time? What started out last week as doom and gloom is now being pulled back from (sounds like the same formula they used when they got our ambassador killed....). Now the story yesterday was 'well, we never said the sh*t would hit the fan the first day...." BS! they did too, that was all he talked about while running around the country... I think the idea that the Feds can't figure out how to run things on 2.4% less money has really pissed a bunch of people off.... One of these days the curtain's gonna be pulled back from good and no amount of spinning by NBC's Brian Willams, SNL crew or the morons that invest Hollywood is going to keep the rest of the country from seeing what a complete and utter failure this guy has been.... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 05:28:17 Republicons over reach from time to time and this one has done it often, but has been bailed out by his friendly media contacts, but has he gone too far this time? What started out last week as doom and gloom is now being pulled back from (sounds like the same formula the republicons used when they got our ambassador killed....). Now the story yesterday was 'well, we never said the sh*t would hit the fan the first day...." BS! they did too, that was all he talked about while running around the country... I think the idea that the Republicons can't increase taxes on the uber wealthy and have to cut the rest of us 2.4% has really pissed a bunch of non uber wealthy people off.... One of these days the curtain's gonna be pulled back from good and no amount of spinning by Faux news and Rush Linbaugh, Breitbart.com or the morons that invest Hollywood is going to keep the rest of the country from seeing what a complete and utter failure Mitch McConnell and John Boehnert have been.... not to mention windbag. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/13 at 09:14:17 The Bubs didnt get the ambassador killed.. Id be happy to pin it on them if they did,. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 10:17:49 The Bubs just cut the budget for security by several million. The rest was typical govt ... Again you're riding a bike right ... I'll cut your budget for the engine oil ... better yet, I'll do it after draining the oil and throwing away your drain bolt. Then I'll blame you for the bike blowing up. I'll say You should have sold your seat and put oil in the bike. I'll be happy to pin it on the bubs. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/04/13 at 12:45:55 At least Biden had to give up his ride on Air Force 2 today that was used to haul his sorry self from D.C. to his home in Delaware and back. Let him drive like anyone else would. And all members of Congress lost their free rides on military aircraft today. Now if Bammy would just quit riding around the country to campaign (election is over ) and play golf here and there. For a serious moment, after Clinton left office, one news interviewer asked him if there was one thing he missed during the time he was POTUS, and he replied that for those 8 years, he really missed not being able to drive a car like a normal person would. Now, isn't POTUS also CIC of the Armed Froces? So, why not just go down to the motor pool and check out a Hummer and go for a ride? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 15:06:39 And Obama and Biden has to give this up, when Bush who drove the country off the cliff to divert attention from his failure by inflating a housing bubble, and Cheney who was padding his retirement by sending contracts to his company and sent the US into 2 wars on lies didn't have to ? This is how normal people (the ones who voted for Obama in this election look at it) Obama is far less dangerous as Bush. Obama is entitled to everything Bush was. Cheney should have been made to walk. If you didn't call for that then you are being duplicitous by asking for it now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/04/13 at 15:13:21 Srinath - You are showing ignorance agian. The housing bubble was a direct result of the Community Improvement Act, a Clinton era piece of legislation that required lenders to make loans to people who couldn not repay them, in a mis-guided effort to spread home ownership to those who can not afford it. Please get your history and your facts straight before you just spout off at the mouth, or better put in this context, spout off with your fingers on a keyboard. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 15:26:10 7A75797378757E727562777562100 wrote:
Right right right ... and yet you want Obama and Biden to walk ... when you didn't want bush or cheney to ? And no Clinton changed the capital gains laws so you can flip a house and pay 15% taxes on it. That whole "home ownership society" was bush's idea. And Jerry - Stop accusing people of doing things they may not be doing. Did I say you did this or that ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/04/13 at 15:41:04 When ignorance or ignoring facts are rampant, I will point it out. You Dems blast out with uncategorical statrements that are not founded in fact. Not to point it out, and to allow you to blame those not at fault is hyprocrisy. I've never castigated Clinton. For a Dem, he was a decent guy ( morals aside). At least he had a practical approach to a lot of things. The difference with Obama is that Bammy has no real experience running anything prior to being POTUS, not even a kid's lemonade stand. Bammy has a high intellect, but no practical experience. Kinda like the guy in medical school who graduated first in his class - do you want to be the very first open heart surgery patient he has? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 15:46:59 Bush OTOH had plenty of experience running things ... into the ground. Cheney was president though, and he had plenty of experience running things right into his pocket ... These 2 were crooks, and when they were not, they were utter failures. Obama is being throttled by the republicons. He's not allowed to run anything past his first 2 years. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/04/13 at 15:59:50 What I see as a major problem is that common folks, like you and I, have lost respect for those who succeed in business and in politics. Instead of admiring people like Cheney who serve the country after bringing private business success to the table, you choose to hate them. Unfortunately, your attitute will result in our country being run by people of mediocre accomplishments. Look at our founding fathers - all were wealthy men who proved themselves first in business, and then went on to serve their country. America's business is business, and what's good for business is good for America. Otherwise, you lower yourself, and our country to the success level of the mediocre and below. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by LostArtist on 03/04/13 at 17:59:06 6768646E6568636F687F6A687F0D0 wrote:
"what's good for business is good for America." that's hard for me to swallow, that's also a very interpretive phrase. I do not despise or hate business people or successful people. I don't I swear I don't is competition good for business??? I know Telecoms would say no. paying low labor rates is good for business right? (jobs move overseas) etc. . . also the statement seems to imply that Americans should be subservient to businesses and give businesses everything they want, which the rebel in me just makes me want to slap you for even saying that. :P |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 08:11:42 LA - I just get really incensed when successful people are referred to as crooks, liars, or whatever by others who have no idea what they are talking about. At one time, success was admired - now many common folks think it's "cool" to denegrate success. Success isn't an accident, it's a product of how one lives his life and the choices he makes. I don't call someone a name because he prizes his personal time, works a 40 hour per week job, or maybe less, and chooses a lifestyle that may not be as "hign on the hog" as I would like. That's his right. But when this same person then goes on the attack against successful business people, calls them crooks when he has no real first hand knowledge of anything about them, it gets my dander up. There is a great saying about entreprenuers and corporate leaders - these are people who work 80 hours per week for themselves so that they don't have to work 40 hours per week for someone else. We'd all be better off if people would once again admire, and aspire, to success rather than smugly insulting those who had made success their choice in life. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 08:22:23 There is as always good ways to do business and bad. Cheney did nearly all bad. I dont neccesarily resent success ... but there is a line that separates success cos your ideas or products are worthwhile and people use them, or you're manipulating your own size to be a predator. Google started out being a innovator and leader. They have since started to scroogle people and evade taxes by going to a double dutch irish sandwich. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 08:29:14 I had to do a little refresher to be accurate - Halliburton was awarded a huge contract by Cheney as defence secretary in 91. Then after Cheney left politics, he was put in as CEO of Halliburton in 95. Ofcourse Cheney became VP in 2000, after which he funneled a lot of $$$ into halliburton via no bid contracts, all of which were very lucrative for him being still a shareholder of halliburton. Once again, its not me who's unaware of the facts JE. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 08:30:24 Nothing wrong with those facts. I admire him and them. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 08:38:11 6F606C666D606B676077626077050 wrote:
You could of course that's your right, but others would call him a crook. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 08:43:59 5A55595358555E525542575542300 wrote:
This little tidbit shouldn't phase you one bit then - The Wall Street Journal reported in 2001 that a subsidiary of Halliburton Energy Services called Halliburton Products and Services Ltd. (HPS) opened an office in Tehran. The company, HPS, operated on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block. Although HPS was incorporated in the Cayman Islands in 1975 and is "non-American", it shares both the logo and name of Halliburton Energy Services and, according to Dow Jones Newswires, offers services from Halliburton units worldwide through its Tehran office. Such behavior, undertaken while Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, may have violated the Trading with the Enemy Act. A Halliburton spokesman, responding to inquiries from Dow Jones, said "This is not breaking any laws. This is a foreign subsidiary and no U.S. person is involved in this. No U.S. person is facilitating any transaction. We are not performing directly in that country." Later Dave Lesar would book his own flights to the Tehran office through the UK arm of KBR. No legal action has been taken against the company or its officials.[26] Yes its all about being hardworking and success ... Read more about it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 03/05/13 at 09:11:02 I would consider him a crook as well. I have admiration for those who have "made it" and succeeded in life but, and I know I've said this in another thread before, we're at a point where we are not in a free market where people can grow and develop. No longer are we striving towards the next, latest and greatest thing but companies are trying to keep the every-man down. Cheney made a ton of money through Halliburton and no bid contracts. How did anyone else even stand a chance if the game was rigged? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 09:22:14 62415D5A6F5C5A475D5A2E0 wrote:
"what's good for business is good for America." that's hard for me to swallow, that's also a very interpretive phrase. I do not despise or hate business people or successful people. I don't I swear I don't is competition good for business??? I know Telecoms would say no. paying low labor rates is good for business right? (jobs move overseas) etc. . . also the statement seems to imply that Americans should be subservient to businesses and give businesses everything they want, which the rebel in me just makes me want to slap you for even saying that. :P [/quote] Good to have some help on this topic LA. The instant you say something against one of the corporate raiders you get slapped with "The founding fathers were wealthy and good as presidents" ... forgetting that they owned slaves and they were all huge landowners and they used the government to help their wealth. Crony capitalism mixed in with some self preservation with a slice of individualism and religion thrown in. I actually would think a democracy based on a lottery would work better than an election. It oughta be like jury duty. Your name if its pulled up, you are to work in the task/position you have been made to fill (be it governor, be it senator or president) Once you finish that term, you leave and return to your old life till you're called up to do some other task for the govt. That has to be better than a career politician working his way up the ladder making many "friends" along the way ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 09:25:07 4475667565617560140 wrote:
You know what else is funny ... Cheney was a disaster to Haliburton as CEO ... Not only was he a crook, he also was incompetent. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by LostArtist on 03/05/13 at 10:29:26 Srinath, this is business in America, using money to get political favors and legislation passed and anything else has been a tradition since U.S. Grant was president. Obama is doing it too I'm sure. Jerry, I think the nature of "success" has changed, it used to be you worked hard, did right by your customers and got ahead. now with money being made much much easier via investment rather than actual work, scheming has become integral into "success" it's no longer based on doing the right thing or making the better mousetrap, it's now more about reducing costs rather than innovation. and successful people can be assholes just as easy as the hick down the street so I don't want to blanket praise on all successful people like they all should be lumped together and put up on a pedestal. Also since I wouldn't consider myself successful I feel I am often judged by those who are, this my be a problem I'm imagining in my head, but being 34 and not making 30K a year but still living within my means I often feel like a loser for that. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 10:43:27 Very little has stuck to Obama ... The republicons complain for his being a failure (in their opinion - maybe that is a success) but they have tried to call him corrupt - remember solyndra, but nothing has stuck. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 14:51:35 Bammy isn't a crook. From a moral perspective, he's probably a decent guy. He's just clueless, and dedicated to bringing us down the path to either socialism, or at least his "progressive" view of America. The more I see of him and Biden, the more I wonder how any thinking person could have voted for them. This wasn't an election for the most popular kid in the senior class - this stuff matters far beyond whose belly gets fed tomorrow, who does or doesn't have health insurance, or what the minimum wage is for those at the bottom. If we don't quit worrying about the bottom feeders, we'll all be there. Wee need to start advancing the notions that made America great, not those notions that will dumb us all down to a common denominator. But a common denominator is what his kind of people want. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 15:14:01 Jerry - that is your opinion. As I see it, the republicons are pushing us into cut throat capitalism ... without labor laws the working man is toast and the republicons want us there yesterday. Obama is just trying to slow that slide down. Opinions man, its all opinions. The part of the country that voted for Obama probably feels that way. We have all been shafted by a big corporation one way or another. We may have too many bottom feeders - your opinion - But we also have too many rapacious corporations that dont pay their fair share of taxes and shaft the working man every chance they get. I'd rather someone who works to counter that inept as he may be like Obama in that role, than someone who actively supports those corporations and is part of those corporations like Cheney or RMoney be in the WH. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 15:23:26 I understand your feelings, but they do not accomplish the common good of our being a great, powerful, leading nation again. As for getting screwed by a major company, what do you mean? Labor is a resource, just like raw materials. Labor and materials are used together to make the company's output. What is a fair share of taxes is subjective - but a producer isn't really taxed in any country as taxes are only a cost of production, paid in the end by the purchaser of the goods or services. I would suggest to Lost Artist that if he feels like he hasn't accomplished what he wants by age 34, do some self examination, figure out what it is he wants, and go after it. Not everyone will be a business tycoon, I'm not stupid enough to think that all will be. Being a good employee is honest, worthwhile effort, and is to be commended. If your employer isn't rewarding you, or treating you like you want to be treated, then either change jobs or seek self employment. Just don't sit and whine about it or vote for fools who promise you the land of milk and honey. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 15:31:45 Being a great powerful leading nation will not be accomplished by any of the rapacious corporate tycoons from the right either. Maybe the days of constant growth are to be considered as past. Maybe the constant inflow of immigrants from poor countries effectively drags us down to their averages. Maybe the outsourcing of jobs to china and import of goods form china will permanently take us down a few notches. Or the version I think - Maybe we are the leader, but we are not as far away in the lead as we have been through the 20th century. Either way, I believe we have the most capable and willing in charge - so would most of the country that voted for Obama say. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by LostArtist on 03/05/13 at 15:33:49 48474B414A474C404750454750220 wrote:
this starts from the top, corporations used to value their employees and promote from within, etc. . . today all they do is cut costs and ship jobs overseas. corporations do a lot of good things, but they don't advertise those things, not as much as they should. but there is human nature to want the bad things, that's where the drama is, people believe bad things about other people much easier than they believe good things, like welfare queens, if you're poor you're considered part of that group, even if that's not the case, you are considered a taker, part of the "47%" even if you are working to improve your life and are as conservative as they get, your own party will throw you under the bus to make a divisive statement to galvenize the base anyway, I'm probably full of crap, but leadership starts from the top, the poor can't lead the rich |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 15:42:59 LA - There is more wisdom in your last sentence than you may realize. Precisely my point, except I would not say "rich". I would prefer to say the "successful". Being rich isn't necessarily being successful. Look at Paris Hilton and her ilk - absolute trash, in my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/05/13 at 15:50:14 Srinath -What we have in charge may be willing, but a long way from from capable. When will you realize that GWB has been out of office for 4+ years? It's Obama's debacle now. He has spent billions if not trillions in mis-guided efforts simply because he's not a businessman, never has been, never will be. When you say "corporations" do this and do that, it's over generalization. Like all things, there are good and bad corporate leaders. You cannot paint with such a broad brush - doing so detracts from your points. You are an intelligent man - please write like one. We need business people ( male and female ) leading us; not just someone whose only credential is "community organizer". |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by LostArtist on 03/05/13 at 16:48:47 58575B515A575C505740555740320 wrote:
I don't know if business leaders are the quinticential politicians either. government is NOT a company, it's not a just a cost/benefit analysis that the country needs, now, yes over the last 6 years we could have used more of that mentality than usual, but that is not the mentality I'd want running the nation for long term, also business people have a great pension for doing favors, I believe the BP oil "spill" in the Gulf of Mexico is an example of that, permits granted under a favorable EPA administration put safety second and the results speak for themselves, same kinda thing with defense spending and military contractors, blah blah blah again, the "successful" people need to set examples of rewarding positive behavior, instead we see them cut low end jobs, cutting hard working people off at the knees all for cost reduction to appease shareholders. instead of rewarding creativity, it is taken advantage of and sold out to maximize capitalization. anyway, we all know nothing here matters, so why waste anymore time on it |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/05/13 at 16:55:04 Maybe it is Obama's mess in your opinion ... Maybe Bush's mess will take more than 4 years to sort out ... maybe it wont ever get sorted out. We're still sorting through Teddy Roosevelt's mess as you guys look at it. We may need a businessman/women to run the country ... if we can find one that isn't primarily focussed with lining his pockets ... else an inept fool would have to be the lesser of 2 evils compared to a crooked genius. So far all the options presented have been inept crooks. We have chosen a inept fool over an inept crook, and I'd say its the better choice. Capable - is relative my friend. RMoney was capable ... of lining his pockets, helping his cronies and giving away huge tax breaks to the rich, the super rich and uber rich and shafting the rest to do so. Very capable of that ... We need a non crook running us ... maybe the best would have been community organiser. I can go into details, but it is going to get too long and boring for anyone here. You'd have to work through the generalities ... there may be good and bad corporations, but of late the ones that are successful are all the ones who are more crooked than the next ... Walmart, google, all of big oil, big pharma, big food, big gun etc etc etc are all violating every possible rule there is and paying off people to look the other way. You know maybe we should float a pettiton to get warren buffet in as president ... but sadly paying that man 450k/yr oughta be a crime. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by SkyHigh on 03/09/13 at 09:48:16 The $85 billion in "cuts" are not really cuts at all -- that amount represents the built-in, automatic increases in the federal budget. Two actions should be done immediately: 1. Do away with the automatic increases in the federal budget for all departments and agencies. They should have to justify their budget each and every year. 2. Cut the budget of every federal department and agency by 10%. If the actual "budget" is $3.6 trillion, that will save $360 billion right out of the gate. We have to do it in the private sector all the time. Politicians say we can cut "$1 trillion over 10 years." That's ludicrous. We need to cut $1 trillion THIS YEAR. The next step would be to have a $250 billion SURPLUS each year so that we can pay down the $16.5 trillion debt by $1 trillion every four years. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/09/13 at 17:22:37 6B534170515F50380 wrote:
One more of those brilliant Pat McCrory type republican ideas where he balances the budget by cutting the unemployment by 1/2 and leaves welfare and other junk alone ... he knows his target demographic ... gun toting welfare cheats ... and those that dont vote for Republicons, working people, yea cut them off at the knees, when they die off we'll be fine, we just need tax dodging corporations and welfare receiving, gun toting bible thumpers. We need to stop giving away tax breaks to corporations based on empty promises and bogus accounting of "created jobs" ... and we need to tax the uber rich, the ultra rich, the super rich and the very very rich to the tune of the working man. Budget cuts are about gutting the working person by depriving them of benefits. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 03/11/13 at 06:13:35 Here's what I don't understand about budgets: A corporation, let's call it corporation A, spends 10,000 a year. The next year they "need" to spend at least 10,000 to get their budget increased to 12,500. They don't need the money or the increase and come December order 1,000,000 pens, 30,000 pencils, and 5000 reams of paper to make up what they didn't spend of their 10,000 budget. Why not incentivise it? If you come up under budget then you get, like, 10% of the difference back? Am I clear? I feel it's not clear. What do I mean? Corporation A is allotted 10,000 dollars. They only spend 8,000 during the year. That's a 2000 dollar difference. The company gets an instant cash check for 200 dollars (10% of 2000). Now not only did they save 2000 dollars over the cost of the year they also got 200 dollars cash back! They got paid for saving themselves money. I suppose that's where human nature and greed come in, though. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/11/13 at 08:39:30 Yea, its that great philosophy "You dont want to be found dead with unused bullets" ... only you're fighting a fire, and you've shot all the firefighters. Yea nothing should expire at the end of the year and it shouldn't get revised downward if you didn't use it etc etc. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by WebsterMark on 03/11/13 at 11:22:47 Paraquat; my guess is that the dollar amounts involved are pretty small. I met a customer of mine a few years ago in Vegas during a trade show. it was the end of their fiscal year and they had $3000 left in tradeshow budget. if they didn't spend it, they figured they'd get less the next year so about 5 of us went out for a big night in Vegas. Saw the Producers from the front row, ate in the resturant at the top of the Paris hotel, they bought a $400 bottle of wine which tasted like $7 wine to me..... but looking at the big picture, for this company, $3000 was litterally, a drop in the bucket. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/20/13 at 16:43:24 Back to budget cuts ... See doing cuts like they did in europe ... y'know as they call it - austerity, will choke the economy and get it to a grinding halt, like it has in every country in europe. Of course as long as rich people get their $$$ I guess the republicons are good with that. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/21/13 at 07:54:33 Ill have ever so much more faith in people when they realize, its BOTH SIDES.. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/21/13 at 12:35:49 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
Its both sides yes JOG, just that they funnel $$$ to slightly different groups in the population, outside of the special interests. The Repugs funnel it to the lobbyist supported companies - GE, walmart, halibutron, etc and the super rich. The democrats funnel it to the lobbyist backed companies - GE, walmart, Haliburton etc and the welfare and poor. No one says one side is all that does it, abuse is all around you. Cool. Srinath |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/21/13 at 17:21:52 #Excellent,, glad you see that |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 05:31:18 5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
I've always said this, finally you read it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 06:43:43 Here is another twist ... the republicon governor of NC shafted the unemployed - to the tune of nearly 40%, but left the welfare part un touched. He knows his voter/supporter. The corporations these are tripping over each other to get down and suck, and the welfare recipient. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/25/13 at 15:46:04 35342F2827322E460 wrote:
Equally, if Democrats want to raise taxes then they don't get to say who pays them. That sounds fair... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/25/13 at 16:21:33 6D48474C6845454C47290 wrote:
Equally, if Democrats want to raise taxes then they don't get to say who pays them. That sounds fair...[/quote] I would guess, and you'd want the working class and poor to pay it wont you ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/13 at 17:41:13 Id say let the dems pay,, they love taxing, let them pay. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/25/13 at 19:38:08 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
Oooo like a democrat tax, sorta like the Obamacare being a Republicon Tax ? Like that ? yea, democrat tax, for everyone making over 250K. I like that, good Idea JOG. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 07:43:35 Bammycare is gonna destroy the medical system & cost the crap outta all of us,, mark my words. In 5 years, getting help at a hospital is just gonna suck. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/26/13 at 11:08:43 26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:
In that case we can talk about it in 5 years - now is that 5 years from the start which would be 2 years from now ? or is it 5 years from now ? The thing so far has let my son stay on till 26 and exempt his pre existent condition as well as give me an 80-20 refund. Lets see if in 5 years it turns bad. Now you do know you have to reference it vs the old system right ? Not vs some ideal. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 19:10:59 Yea, lets see. & when I say "In 5 years",, Its just not normal to believe I MEANT in 5 years from 2 years ago. If I meant that, Id say :"In 3 years",, Are you this hard to talk to in person? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/26/13 at 19:21:53 As I remember it JOG, you've been railing against it for atleast 2 years now ... so just thought I'd ask. Yea I am very hard to talk to in person. I'd be closer to a combination of disclaimer man and the flim flam man rolled into a used car sales man with the vocabulary of a foreign born computer nerd. Anyway I know of a few people who were railing against Obama spending $$$ in january 2009, remember that you tube clip with obama waving $$$ and 2 guys next to him with $$$ stacks on their heads ... you were like that about Obama care, so I had to get a clarification. You do have a price list of what it will be in 5 years in the absence of Obama care do you ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 07:56:44 Nope, wont be necessary. 5 years from today the services available will be dropping noticeably, costs will have already risen substantially for most. Doctors who would have continued for years will have retired, due to increased goob control over the way they operate their business & decreased revenue. Print this out & tape it up. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 03/27/13 at 09:16:47 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
That's pretty optimistic of you, JOG... assuming you'll live that long without the DHS getting to you first. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 09:53:25 Yep, that is absolutely uncharacteristically optimistic of me... |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by verslagen1 on 03/27/13 at 11:18:20 Seems like travel should be slashed. Did you see Biden's last Paris Hotel bill? nearly $600,000 Have they ever heard about telecom? serious, cut the waste. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 12:17:18 YES! |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/27/13 at 12:46:55 50514A4D42574B230 wrote:
Equally, if Democrats want to raise taxes then they don't get to say who pays them. That sounds fair...[/quote] I would guess, and you'd want the working class and poor to pay it wont you ? Cool. Srinath. [/quote] I would go with something fair, like a 10% flat tax that would reduce eventually to around 5% and the Fed would be out of the welfare business, that is better facillitated by the states. More caring, more personal and more need driven. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 03/27/13 at 13:54:38 We have a good tax system,Clinton had no problem with it.You don't start wars and lower the tax rates,Best not to start a war,But if some dummie does you have to raise taxes to pay for the war, thats the way we have always done it. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/27/13 at 14:05:08 Bill - Unfortunate, but you are right. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 15:45:27 Why raise taxes? I have it on Good Authority that deficits dont matter. Prior to the federal reserve/central bank schemes, back when Kings were fighting against others, when the war chest ran dry, the fight was done,, now, they just print more $$, borrowed from banksters who are loaning $$$ to the other side too as often as not, & saddle the citizens of all the fighting nations with more debt,, When it all falls down, people will see Ive been right, all along., |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/27/13 at 15:59:23 4A4144441E1F280 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 18:37:03 The Fed is buying up FORTY BILLION in mortgage based debt a month. That means they could hold the note on YOUR home.,.& what happens if they decide to call the notes? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 03/27/13 at 19:38:52 46636C67436E6E676C020 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/13 at 08:53:05 Look up "Odious debt". Most of what we "Owe" was laid upon us fraudulently. We could walk away. Iceland did it right. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/28/13 at 10:26:07 0D28272C0825252C27490 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] Costs of war hit several years after a war. The biggest claims from WW2 were in the mid/late 70's. Certainly that would be a cue to you to blame Carter then huh. Anyway we are seeing a huge number of people coming back alive, but greivously hurt (when they'd have died on the field in the past) and its costing us $$$. Plus Baby boomers have started retiring. We pay them when they do as we are obligated to, In fact its shot up form 0% under bush (the oldest was 62) to like 5% in the 5 years of Obama - cos they are now 67. Baby boomers also are not dying, but needing treatment - ergo we pay them too. Again 0% under Bush, 5% under Obama - what is that as a percentage increase Dane ? yes infinite % increase. Then we have a crumbling infrastructure which Obama is starting to fix. Bush ignored this. Again an infinite percentage rise. I could go on and on. Basically Obama is spending $$$ on good things. Like repair, rebuild, retirement and treatment when true interest rates are near negative. Bush spent it on unfunded Wars based on his prejudice with bad intel as cover, and by inflating a financial bubble with the primary idea of deflecting the attention from a failing economy and bailing out his friends when the bubble deflated when interest rates were though not big, they were definitely positive. You can spend trillions when interest rates are near 0 and inflation is 3-5% and if you spend 100 trillion, you need to return 97-95 trillion. You can borrow from foreigners as much as we want as long as it is in USD and print it and hand it to the when they decide they want it back. Yes printing $$$ hurts ... not the people who spend most of their income every month - it hurts those who got a huge stash of cash. We dont care, we can print, except the super rich, dont want us to do that. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/28/13 at 12:33:41 515A5F5F0504330 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts.[/quote] That is incorrect and the reason is we are bringing in historically high levels of taxes, one reason the economy is doing so bad. Don't have exact numbers at the moment but I recall something like 2.3 Trillion in revenues is brought in and 3.5 Trillion is spent which is why out debt goes up 1.2 Trillion per year. If we stopped spending tomorrow and lowered business taxes then not only would the debt stop growing but we could start paying it off. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/28/13 at 12:48:27 0F2A252E0A27272E254B0 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts.[/quote] That is incorrect and the reason is we are bringing in historically high levels of taxes, one reason the economy is doing so bad. Don't have exact numbers at the moment but I recall something like 2.3 Trillion in revenues is brought in and 3.5 Trillion is spent which is why out debt goes up 1.2 Trillion per year. If we stopped spending tomorrow and lowered business taxes then not only would the debt stop growing but we could start paying it off.[/quote] See the republicon problem - sentence completion ... they always leave that open. For example: We are bringing in historically high levels of taxes off the middle class and the poor. We need to extend that courtesy to the rich. Example 2: The economy is doing so bad after collapsing under bush, and slowly crawling back up. Example 3: 3.5 trillion is spent because of 2 unfunded wars and a whole bunch of unfunded obligations which have just come to the payout stage due to baby boomers retiring. Example 4: If we lowered business taxes and beld the middle class and the poor dry, then not only can we pay off the debt, we can help the rich, the super rich and the uber rich (see that is all 3 classes of people) by making their $$$$ stashes worth more and more that they can all move up, for example the Rich can become super rich, the super rich can be Uber rich, and the Uber rich can become mondo rich - and that's what we call all around upward mobility. Yea see its good for all 3 classes of people. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/13 at 13:21:52 Costs of war hit several years after a war. The biggest claims from WW2 were in the mid/late 70's. Certainly that would be a cue to you to blame Carter then huh. SHOW me these "claims".. The COST of the war was Immediate. The ENTIRE population "gave",, there were bonds sold to support it, people ran scrap metal drives, Claims sounds like a legal battle, wherein people brought suit against the US for damages., |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/28/13 at 13:22:18 Ok, I am going to try to take a different strategy with you, Srinath. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not really this immune to reason and are just yanking our chains just for the fun of getting people all riled up, which I understand can be fun. I also hope to learn something from these conversations with people who share an interest in the Savage as I do and to exercise and test my reasoning. I want to be sure I am still grounded in reality and not stuck in group think. So, you have criticized me for making opinions even though I have tried to provide the link and backup documentation upon which my statements are founded. To avoid being hypocritical I will challenge you to do the same. Quote:
Under what accounting system? Approximately how much was paid in the 70's, to whom and why? Was it just because politicians kicked the can down the road or is it just because the bonds came due then? Quote:
What about survivor benefits paid in the past? People still got paid, regardless of whether someone died or not. I read an article recently about an old lady whose father died in the Civil War and is still receiving benefits. Quote:
No one retired or received Social Security under Bush? What is the point here? Quote:
The new death panels will fix that little descrepancy... Quote:
What percent of the budget is this? How much annually? How much is being set aside to account for this? Why cut 700 billion from Medicare then? Quote:
What is Obama starting to fix? What projects that don't involve heavy kickbacks to supporters are being worked? Please link supporting information. What did Bush ignore? What project did Bush kill or defer that added to the "crumbling" of infrastructure? Please cite sources and there is no rush, please take your time. Quote:
Along with detailed sources I hope. Quote:
Examples with supporting information, please. And if you say one word about High-Speed rail then you and I are done forever. FYI, high speed rail is a $100 billion liberal boondoggle in California that starts nowhere and goes nowhere, but really fast, to help clear up traffic on the freeways. It's like 1,000 bridges to nowhere all lined up. Quote:
Do you have any supporting information for any of this? And not from the Matthews, Maddow, Olberman, crowd, I mean real, unbias facts. Btw, wasn't WW1 and WW2 unfunded when they began? Who did Bush bail out? How did Bush inflate the financial bubble? Please provide documentation or retract. Quote:
At this point I question your basic understanding of factoring interest. What happens when the rates go up to 15-20% and it's time to refi 10 of 20 trillion in deft. Sure the last 10 trillion has a few more years at a swet rate but the new interest rate on the first 10 trillion is gonna sting a little...If you are advocating sabotaging the value of the dollar in an effot to screw the creditors then I refer you to Bing.com and search Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. Quote:
You can borrow $$ as long as you pay it back--nothing controvercial here. Quote:
Please return to Bing.com and search "inflation" with regard to the effects it has on retirement accouts and the elderly on fixed incomes. Quote:
Neither do the lower class, the middle class or the upper class. Pretty much anyone who doesn't want to pay $2,500 for a can of beans doesn't want unlimited printing of money. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/13 at 13:27:14 Well,, lets see what logic does,, good luck. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 03/28/13 at 14:09:34 The soldiers who have lost 2 limbs get over $200,000 a years,Some young one will be getting that 60 and more years from now. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/28/13 at 16:08:24 Quote:
The top 1% pay 60% of the tax and the bottom 40% pay nothing. Since we are combatting opinions I pledge to look up more accurate details and present them to the community. Quote:
Again, it collapsed after the liberals took over the legislature after 6 years of positives. (This is fact) It could have been coming back at triple the level it is now if Democrats would allow it (definitely an opinion about the democrats holding us back) Quote:
Supporting documents please. 3.5 trillion is what Obama/Reid spend in a year. Even if the two wars cost 3.5 trillion over 8 years of Bush, that is still a drop in the bucket conpared to what we spend annually. Obama could end the war today if he wanted. Quote:
What's wrong with that? Why knock a guy for working hard and being successful? Most of us have jobs because those rich you despise innovate and start companies. If you hate your employer soo much then just quit working and don't buy the super rich man's motorcycle parts. That'll show 'em. Live off road kill, ride a donkey everywhere and use plastic bags for clothes. It's hard to agree with you when you claim to have had all these rich corporation made motorcycles. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/28/13 at 16:11:29 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
I have a friend who is hyper liberal like this too and he breaks under the weight of logic and reason everytime. A good dose of sarcasm helps the cause too but I've known the guy a long time so, as the new guy, I will withold that from this forum. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/13 at 16:29:26 Having seen your ability to put a logical rebuttal together, Im willing to bet your sarcasm would cut deep.. Please, let it fly.. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 05:53:31 Dane, I am not your answer man - look it up, its all there. Shovel ready projects etc, returning vets payments, ww2 and ww1 payments for medical expenses etc ... I am sorry I have to do my taxes, cos I work, so rich people dont have to. You need to stop listening to Faux News for that. Try NPR or your local re broadcaster maybe. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 06:00:23 5B7E717A5E73737A711F0 wrote:
This may have worked with John Stossel and Al Sharpton ... I am not a race rage blinded moron like Al Sharpton, and you sir are definitely no John Stossel ... The top 1% pay 10%-13% of their income in taxes. The rest of us pay 22-30% of our income in taxes. I just want those numbers be the same. The capital gains tax system has been used and abused by the rich, its robbing out system blind. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 06:41:48 27020D06220F0F060D630 wrote:
Look, I've posted lots of stats by govt accountability office and others (and no not by huffington post) about 7-8 months ago. This site deletes them past a few months. So I cant spend many many hours pulling these up every few months when one more of you clueless newbies wanders in. You have to do it yourself, sorry. And that 2006 democrats take the house and we go into recession after that = biggest bogus argument I have heard. Why ? The bond market in 2004-2005 was screaming recession recession recession ... Bush cluelessly still kept "Helicopter Ben" inflating the house bubble. Essentially that is the only new point you have made. All the rest have been done and dusted. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/29/13 at 14:27:55 74756E6966736F070 wrote:
Look, I've posted lots of stats by govt accountability office and others (and no not by huffington post) about 7-8 months ago. This site deletes them past a few months. So I cant spend many many hours pulling these up every few months when one more of you clueless newbies wanders in. You have to do it yourself, sorry. And that 2006 democrats take the house and we go into recession after that = biggest bogus argument I have heard. Why ? The bond market in 2004-2005 was screaming recession recession recession ... Bush cluelessly still kept "Helicopter Ben" inflating the house bubble. Essentially that is the only new point you have made. All the rest have been done and dusted. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Well, I tried :( I wish you well. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 03/29/13 at 14:44:51 11343B30143939303B550 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts.[/quote] That is incorrect and the reason is we are bringing in historically high levels of taxes, one reason the economy is doing so bad. Don't have exact numbers at the moment but I recall something like 2.3 Trillion in revenues is brought in and 3.5 Trillion is spent which is why out debt goes up 1.2 Trillion per year. If we stopped spending tomorrow and lowered business taxes then not only would the debt stop growing but we could start paying it off.[/quote] GWB tried that you see how well it worked.That and his wars drove us in to this depression. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/29/13 at 15:33:48 Bush holds much blame, BUT, consider who were his advisers & remember, Congress controls the purse. OUr electeds have been , somehow, taken control of by the MIC & globalists. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 20:17:34 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
Yea the military has eaten into our life and everything else. We really dont need a standing military, and really that is what the scond amendment is for. Instead the NRA and the gun companies have turned it into legal cover for nutcases blowing away kids and they wont raise a finger against their biggest customer (the govt). Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Trippah on 03/29/13 at 20:42:57 Oh Beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of drones. Purple mountain's majesty, the NORAD deep cut home, America America God shed his grace on thee, so raise your hoods, your semi automatic glocks, and bleed from sea to sea. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 20:43:55 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
OK it took a little looking, especially to find a source you wont call bogus - and here it is - World War I, which ended 94 years ago, continues to cost taxpayers about $20 million every year. World War II? $5 billion. Compensation for WWII veterans and families didn't peak until 1991 — 46 years after the war ended — and annual costs since then have only declined by about 25 percent. Korean War costs appear to be leveling off at about $2.8 billion per year. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/20/us-still-paying-for-costs-civil-war-analysis-finds/#ixzz2OzVVtFPE I guess I mis remembered something ... its even worse than I misremembered. So no, WW2 didn't have it all paid up, and Bushies wars are all unpaid and not even peaked and will not for maybe 30-40 years. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 03/29/13 at 20:47:28 52595C5C0607300 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts.[/quote] That is incorrect and the reason is we are bringing in historically high levels of taxes, one reason the economy is doing so bad. Don't have exact numbers at the moment but I recall something like 2.3 Trillion in revenues is brought in and 3.5 Trillion is spent which is why out debt goes up 1.2 Trillion per year. If we stopped spending tomorrow and lowered business taxes then not only would the debt stop growing but we could start paying it off.[/quote] GWB tried that you see how well it worked.That and his wars drove us in to this depression.[/quote] No, it was the cooked financial deals Frank and Dodd cooked up and the spending increases. Geez, man, have you been watching Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, France and/or the whole euro thing? Destroying jobs kills economies, penalizing business get us nowhere, massive debt ruins countries. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 21:04:21 00252A21052828212A440 wrote:
It would take Bush 32 years to spend what Obama has done in his first 4 years in office. That is with two wars!! While I am not an advocate for war by any stretch of the imagination, the wars were not what has damaged our economy. It's the growth of federal government fueled by taxes. Taxes are the steroids that government is addicted to and Greece is where we are headed when we hit rock bottom.[/quote] What is your suggestion on paying off our debt,We could stop sending tomorrow that don't pay off our debts.[/quote] That is incorrect and the reason is we are bringing in historically high levels of taxes, one reason the economy is doing so bad. Don't have exact numbers at the moment but I recall something like 2.3 Trillion in revenues is brought in and 3.5 Trillion is spent which is why out debt goes up 1.2 Trillion per year. If we stopped spending tomorrow and lowered business taxes then not only would the debt stop growing but we could start paying it off.[/quote] GWB tried that you see how well it worked.That and his wars drove us in to this depression.[/quote] No, it was the cooked financial deals Frank and Dodd cooked up and the spending increases. Geez, man, have you been watching Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, France and/or the whole euro thing? Destroying jobs kills economies, penalizing business get us nowhere, massive debt ruins countries. [/quote] Again sentence completion problems I see ... Its convenient to say it that way, it makes Obama look worse ... and I guess the rich will be hurt worse if its not the accepted course of action. So let me complete the sentence ... Massive debt ruins countries - if it was in currencies they can not print, at interest rates they cant grow at and with creditors who are not willing to lend them credit without an arm and a leg as collateral. None of that applies directly to the US, we borrow in USD, we pay 0% interest and we have people tripping over themselves to hand us the $$$ and not even ask for collateral. Even so, the resulting austerity hurts far worse. Lets see this unfold and we will see all our follies washed away ... WHEN not IF the euro collapses, the USD will look like gold ... as they say in a party where everyone is hammered blind drunk and lying face down in a pool of vomit, the guy who's only had 6 drinks and is managing to stay on his feet looks good to the lonely girl ... we may be stupid, we may have shot our foot, but we still look great compared to all the rest who shot their head. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/02/13 at 10:07:08 Quote:
I refer you to the thread regarding the countries not using the Dollar for trade any longer. We are about to hit the skids real quick and our welfare dependant citizens are not prepared for real work. Time to get the Road Warrior movies and study up on survival. MASTERBLASTER run Barter Town!!! |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Paraquat on 04/02/13 at 11:15:14 496C63684C616168630D0 wrote:
The chain in those handcuffs is high-tensile steel. It'd take you ten minutes to hack through it with this. Now, if you're lucky, you can hack through your ankle in five minutes. Go! --Steve |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/02/13 at 18:00:46 71545B50745959505B350 wrote:
China and India have not been trading in USD for years. Going back to 1991, in the border towns (great for smuggled stuff cos china was not hitting badminton rackets with import tarriffs, and India did, most badminton rackets the cool yonex and carlton as well as shuttles were smuggled through bhutan or nepal) and we used to trade in Indian rupee or chinese yuan. The article is about australia moving off the USD ... the rest were already on other currencies. Yuan was indexed to the dollar ... and still is. They can drop that, and we will promptly see prices for chinese junk rise steeply, and american stuff will be cheaper and it anyway is better ... they know that, they will get crushed, and they wont let that happen. Anyway these countries are not trading in the USD between themselves any way right now, nor have they for the last 25 years, and they are not creating another currency ... OTOH, the euro is going to die a spectacular death in the next 2 years. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/13 at 18:16:30 OTOH, the euro is going to die a spectacular death in the next 2 years. I wouldnt be surprised at all.. I believe it was intended to die & to create the pain its gonna create. But, I see things differently. That wont "save" the dollar. Its gonna continue to exist a good while longer, but the value is gonna drop off. Tho, when the Euro craps out, the $$ otta get a boost for a while, but, the long term p[lan is to transfer the wealth to the elite,, & what will they use as a currency to count their wealth IN? Who KNows, tho I suspect Gold will be a front runner, |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/02/13 at 20:42:15 JOG - if the dollar drops in value we will buy american over chinese. We win, the chinese lose. If the dollar rises in value, we can buy their junk for less $, we win, they lose. But you have to remember, its not about handing the chinese a loss, its about our oligarchs (the ones pulling the strings) that determine this game. Those oligarchs dont want to see a weak USD. That would undermine their $ denominated wealth. We therefore will not see a weak dollar. If we do atleast there will be a few oligarchs in more pain than the common man. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/03/13 at 09:42:27 24253E3936233F570 wrote:
The problem is the time inbetween the change, or worse, a stall out in the change. Say an American product costs $15 and the Chinese version cost $5 and the dollar errodes to a point where the American version is $11 and the Chinese version is $9 then no one is helped. The problem is the inbetween years where it takes the country to aclimate to the new valuations. Remember Stag-flation? Unions will always make manufacturing in America uncompetitive but they will destroy our government long before I am ever proven wrong or right. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/13 at 10:06:11 Stag Flation? IM seeing Wiemar Republic,.,. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/03/13 at 14:14:02 785D52597D505059523C0 wrote:
The problem is the time inbetween the change, or worse, a stall out in the change. Say an American product costs $15 and the Chinese version cost $5 and the dollar errodes to a point where the American version is $11 and the Chinese version is $9 then no one is helped. The problem is the inbetween years where it takes the country to aclimate to the new valuations. Remember Stag-flation? Unions will always make manufacturing in America uncompetitive but they will destroy our government long before I am ever proven wrong or right.[/quote] We are stalled right now, or were till 6 months ago. Now we are slowly crawling ... and no its not the lubrull policies of the Obama ... Unions wont make manufacturing uncompetetive, cos they keep people form being killed on the job and the management goes ... meeeh, lets get the next starving Idiot in there ... Its only a matter of time before they unionise in china they have been sorta giving up on the "move to factories there already" Anywhere in the world, the workers dont want to die in a factory no matter what. That in effect makes the whole world unionised. And between $11 american and $9 chinese, I will take american anyday, chinese junk is awfully poorly made, if it costs $6 form the current example of $5 I'll bet that will make a 25% shift ... china knows this ... they know they make substandard junk ... they will not let their yuan rise. And good we are talking about this instead of calling names ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/04/13 at 11:08:47 Quote:
That you even had to say this is a Freudian slip. It has everything to do with Obama's policies to the extent that I say there is nothing else to blame but these proven failed policies. Quote:
By putting themselves out of work and sending manufacturing oversees? Or are you talking about office jockey unions? Can we shut down OSHA then? Quote:
Yeah, because that kind of reputation is soo good for business. I'm pretty sure I didn't choose a Savage because of the number of workers Suzuki killed. Quote:
Oh, in China they are all members of the union already, are you not familiar with the Communist system? The "Management" is very interested in rooting out concerned citizens for Quote:
This sounds similar to your yellow cake argument. It's not just workers that don't want to die in a factory, nonworkers don't want to die there either. Come to think of it, I don't want to die in a sunken ship, does that make me part of the Cruise Ship Passengers Union? Is this why the Mafia and the Unions worked soo well together? Is racketeering even a real crime? I mean, come on!!! Quote:
Have you owned a Chrysler or a Pontiac? You will take American if you can afford American but, if not, then you take Chinese or nothing like everyone else. My Pontiac Grand AM was made by GM but I sure wish I had gotten a Toyota or Honda instead. Those former Pontiac employees should give some of their high wages back to people like me who suffer from their horrible quality issues. Quote:
If I recall correctly, I was the recipient of most of those hostile, negative and accusatory comments, but I can go back and review for sure. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 04/04/13 at 11:17:46 If the republicans had their way,A few thousand people would make $1,000,000 + a year and the rest would work for Chinese wages.Sorta like things were back in the days of the Rome Empire. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/13 at 11:41:53 Srin you are completely delusioned about working conditions in china. been there, seen it, what we hear on the news tells me it wide spread. the factory i visited had a perk for their worker, the dorm rooms had beds stacked four high instead of five. Management said they were receiving complaints from the other factories about unfair conditions. these factories work their workers till they're blind, then they toss them out. unionize, right. the management rep wears jack boots and carries an ak. strike that. These workers depend on their american companies forcing better conditions required by independant human rights investigators. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/04/13 at 11:52:25 73787D7D2726110 wrote:
What is ironic here is that this is the goal of communists/socialists/liberals. Everyone is a slave to the nanny state where the "liberal elite" make all our choices for us. Such as how big our soft drinks can be, how we build a shed on our own property, which rights we can exercise and when. What you describe is the wet dream of every liberal wanna-be dictator who wants to decide what's fair and envisions themselves at the top. What you have described is the polar opposite of what Republicans, Conservatives and Libertarians stand for. Freedom to achieve without interference from the government. It was Nancy Pelosi who complained about lowering congressional salaries because they need to be respected more than the common man(paraphrasing but that is what she really means). |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/04/13 at 13:43:45 Dane your quoting skills are the best ... I salute thee ... I dont respond with anything insulting or name calling etc etc unless I was first called names by the person I am calling names in that thread. However since I am older than 8 I cant use that as a cover ... so sorry for calling you names or derogatory remarks to you the person. All the rest of your points are completely hollow. Example - chinese workers are not unionised, they are oppressed and exploited and the "Union" is an arm of their well connected employer. And Vers - I didn't say they were unionised. I said they are leaving the factories and they will eventually become unionised. Dane said they are unionised cos they are communist. I own a ford and have since 1998. Bought a 97 in 98 lightly used. I also own a chrysler and have owned that since 2008. That guy was a 93 and was quite well used. I own a good bit of chinese junk. However if I have used and broken something more than 1-2 times causing me greivous pain - like a tap breaking off in a cyl head - that will be replaced by american. I got all craftsman tools with the heavy use ones the m10, m8, 5 and 6 allen and a few crescent wrenches - all snap on. Not even new snap on, old snap on. 30-40 yr old snap on, those suckers weigh 2X the 20 yr old craftsman. Republicons want to give tax breaks to the wealthy under the guise of "job creators" ... when companies that actually create jobs - the GEs, the GMs, the B of As, the Googles pay nothing in taxes. They use a double dutch with irish techinque and pay nothing already. In effect GE got a refund ... after paying 0 taxes... So giving tax breaks to the wealthy is just free $$$ for the Blankfeins, the Moynihans, the Dimons ... all coming out of my pocket ... They dont create jobs - unless you're wanting all of us to be their gardener, maid and cook. The corporations they work for create jobs - but those are @ 0 or less already. Our economy was stalled till 6 months ago cos the republicons were saying "NO" to everything. They did not want the economy to improve before the election since that would look better for Obama. I thought I mentioned that in the post too. You have more of these hollow arguments put in nice quotes in your post. I guess you rely on making things look pretty cos you dont have any real points. Real points - not fake points. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/04/13 at 13:44:31 5E4D5A5B44494F4D4619280 wrote:
Vers - I didn't say this - Dane Allen did. I said this - Its only a matter of time before they unionise in china they have been sorta giving up on the "move to factories there already" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/04/13 at 14:52:28 7D7C67606F7A660E0 wrote:
It's not difficult. just type quote sorrounded by [ and ] at the start and /quote surrounded by [ and ] at the end. It really keeps the conversation clearer. Quote:
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and you were doing soo well and then this. ;D ;D Quote:
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Funny how those companies you listed are heavy democrat donors, it's almost as if those companies gave money to democrats in return for financial kickbacks, but that can't be proven since everything but the donor records is a backroom deal. So much for the most transparent government ever. Besides, it is small business that is the engine of job creation. Tax breaks for the wealthy is such a nonsensical statement, no one get a tax break for being wealthy. Legal entities receive tax breaks for engaging in the activity the government WANTS them to engage in. Quote:
So, it looks like you are saying that by saying "NO" to everything and the economy is recovering that Republicans pulled us out of the recession. Maybe you and I can agree on something afterall. Quote:
If they are fake or hollow then why are you having soo much trouble refuting them? I seem to be doing pretty well rebutting your statements without blanket judgements. These posts are free and you aren't charged by the word so you should have ample opportunity to walk the talk. Anyone can say "your points are fake" and then walk away but in the world of informed debate the points stand until shown to be false. I'm not sure I have seen such a situation yet. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/04/13 at 14:54:18 2A2B3037382D31590 wrote:
Vers - I didn't say this - Dane Allen did. I said this - Its only a matter of time before they unionise in china they have been sorta giving up on the "move to factories there already" Cool. Srinath.[/quote] This is what he is responding to (in bold). This has zero chance of happening. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/04/13 at 15:06:38 As with everything its point of view. China has 2 bits of news in the last year. People are not moving to the factories in large numbers anymore. People are moving back to the villages. Wages in china for the common worker are rising faster than they are for the top, in fact they have risen in china as a percentage more than they have in the US in the last few years. Dude the republicons saying NO stalled the economy for 2 years ... that ended when they lost the 2012 elections. So yes we agree. That pretty quoting you do, so cool, keep it up, makes it very easy to read. So pretty. So pretty, like a pink polka dot bikini on a girl with a 36dd 24 36 figure. Yeaaaa, very nice. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/04/13 at 15:16:41 Funny how those companies you listed are heavy democrat donors, it's almost as if those companies gave money to democrats in return for financial kickbacks, but that can't be proven since everything but the donor records is a backroom deal. So much for the most transparent government ever. They are not democrat donors. The CEO's of all of them are all republicon super pac donors - so those are kept secret since the 2010 law change. However, these companies have PAC's. I know, I have worked @ 3 of the big 4 banks in the last 5 yrs. WF, BOA, JPMC and I have worked for citi in the early 90's. PAC contributions are open to all employees and contractors that walk the company halls. PAC usually is dominated by rank and file employees small contributions. Those tend to be democratic. As a unit these are small contributions and PAC $$ is disclosed with how much goes where. So to the denizen blessed with selective vision these are heavily democratic. Reality - Public PAC democratic, super PAC unknown but likely to be heavily republicon, Overall total - unknown. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by bill67 on 04/04/13 at 15:27:50 Here's what I think we should do.Raise the income tax 10% for everyone.Cut all SS., welfare checks,all public workers,Thats teachers,police,townsmen,congress any one paid by the state or federal gov. 10%.You will say there wont be any spending,Your wrong the young people have no problem putting things on their credit card. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/13 at 19:42:59 15303F34103D3D343F510 wrote:
Vers - I didn't say this - Dane Allen did. I said this - Its only a matter of time before they unionise in china they have been sorta giving up on the "move to factories there already" [/quote] This is what he is responding to (in bold). This has zero chance of happening.[/quote] Dane, you read me correct. They'll line up the union members and march them right into the morgue. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/05/13 at 07:21:30 Even in america the union movement was not peaceful. In china the first few steps have already occoured. 1. People are not rushing to the factories, and there are people moving out. 2. Wages for the lowest in the factory are rising at faster rates than they did in the US in the last 10 years. Look it up. Eventually China is going to turn into India. Sort of, atleast where unions are concerned. Now India is a parliamentary democracy. But there is corruption. And politics and industry are not overtly mixed. You wont find the local politician meddling in a factory. However workers are not oppressed. We dont drag sick people into the factory, we dont stack them in coffin sized dorms, we dont feel afraid of our employer. The employee is to find their own accomodation and usually everyone works not far from where they live. And we quit jobs we dont like and say for "what you're paying you could hire a donkey, but this job needs 3 donkeys". That's just the line I used. Is India Unionised - yes, but its not like it is in the US. Say we use the Escorts group as an example. They famously make the Royal enfield Bullet single. The union is just for that company. When they go on strike, the production @ that company stops, it does not affect the rest of the motorcycles being made, not does it affect much of anything else. If you're a small company that say supplies turn signal bulbs to them, you're screwed. Small companies typically are not unionised. However since there is competition for the employees, typically the small company has to pay more to keep them. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/06/13 at 15:49:25 Oh yea dock workers in hong kong are on strike. Hope you're not expecting chinese stuff in a hurry ... well I was, but it seems to have come through europe (germany to be exact like, WTF where is germany between here and china anyway). Anyway they are on strike - maybe that's an indication the ak47's are not working. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/07/13 at 10:01:10 Good! It doesnt require a union to go on strike. All it takes is having sorry enough conditions that everyone say Screw Them,, Lets see how their goobs handle that. Got any links to stories about this? Youve seen stories about the "Anti-Suicide" nets put up around some of the factories in China? Like where they make I-Phones, right? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/07/13 at 15:02:17 You want links to the strike news ? You cant google it ?? OK here - http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/dockworkers-not-backing-down-as-strike-threatens-shipments-at-busy-hong-kong-port-1.1222235 Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by SkyHigh on 04/07/13 at 17:54:35 5A5B4047485D41290 wrote:
You're confusing Hong Kong as being a part of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as is all of mainland China. Hong Kong is an island off the coast of mainland China and was a UK colony until 1997, when the UK ceded it to the PRC as a Special Administrative Unit. At that time, the Hong Kong Basic Law was implemented in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle. Essentially, "the Basic Law stipulates the basic policies of the PRC towards the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. As agreed between the PRC and the United Kingdom in the Joint Declaration, in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle, socialism as practiced in the PRC would not be extended to Hong Kong. Instead, Hong Kong would continue its previous capitalist system and its way of life for a period of 50 years after 1997. A number of freedoms and rights of the Hong Kong residents are also protected under the Basic Law." For mainland China, the right to strike was dropped from the 1982 Constitution. Specifically, Article 53 of the 1982 Constitution states that citizens must abide by the law and observe labor discipline and public order. So people have the freedom to strike in Hong Kong until 2047. If they strike after 2047, it will be considered a criminal act, as it has been designated in mainland China for the last 31 years. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/08/13 at 08:37:40 7B435160414F40280 wrote:
You're confusing Hong Kong as being a part of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as is all of mainland China. Hong Kong is an island off the coast of mainland China and was a UK colony until 1997, when the UK ceded it to the PRC as a Special Administrative Unit. At that time, the Hong Kong Basic Law was implemented in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle. Essentially, "the Basic Law stipulates the basic policies of the PRC towards the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. As agreed between the PRC and the United Kingdom in the Joint Declaration, in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle, socialism as practiced in the PRC would not be extended to Hong Kong. Instead, Hong Kong would continue its previous capitalist system and its way of life for a period of 50 years after 1997. A number of freedoms and rights of the Hong Kong residents are also protected under the Basic Law." For mainland China, the right to strike was dropped from the 1982 Constitution. Specifically, Article 53 of the 1982 Constitution states that citizens must abide by the law and observe labor discipline and public order. So people have the freedom to strike in Hong Kong until 2047. If they strike after 2047, it will be considered a criminal act, as it has been designated in mainland China for the last 31 years. [/quote] The chinese worker is already dis illuisioned with the factory work they are doing and the pay, living conditions etc etc. So far the inflow to cities/facories has outpaced out flow from the factories. A few years ago, there was no outflow. Now there is, it just keeps the factories going, in a few more years the outflow will be far more than in flow and that will be the end of chinese factories running along as dictatorships. This used to happen in India too. US too. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by Dane Allen on 04/08/13 at 13:02:35 65647F7877627E160 wrote:
You're confusing Hong Kong as being a part of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as is all of mainland China. Hong Kong is an island off the coast of mainland China and was a UK colony until 1997, when the UK ceded it to the PRC as a Special Administrative Unit. At that time, the Hong Kong Basic Law was implemented in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle. Essentially, "the Basic Law stipulates the basic policies of the PRC towards the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. As agreed between the PRC and the United Kingdom in the Joint Declaration, in accordance with the "One Country, Two Systems" principle, socialism as practiced in the PRC would not be extended to Hong Kong. Instead, Hong Kong would continue its previous capitalist system and its way of life for a period of 50 years after 1997. A number of freedoms and rights of the Hong Kong residents are also protected under the Basic Law." For mainland China, the right to strike was dropped from the 1982 Constitution. Specifically, Article 53 of the 1982 Constitution states that citizens must abide by the law and observe labor discipline and public order. So people have the freedom to strike in Hong Kong until 2047. If they strike after 2047, it will be considered a criminal act, as it has been designated in mainland China for the last 31 years. [/quote] The chinese worker is already dis illuisioned with the factory work they are doing and the pay, living conditions etc etc. So far the inflow to cities/facories has outpaced out flow from the factories. A few years ago, there was no outflow. Now there is, it just keeps the factories going, in a few more years the outflow will be far more than in flow and that will be the end of chinese factories running along as dictatorships. This used to happen in India too. US too. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] You just can't let it go, can you? |
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Title: Re: Budget Cuts? How hard can it be?... Post by srinath on 04/09/13 at 04:59:51 61444B40644949404B250 wrote:
You'd like me to wont you, so you would get away with all the lies. The history of unionization is always filled with lots and lots of unsteady fits and starts and violence. It will soon be apparent. In India we took 20-30 years to get with the union program, and its not like in the US. China may unionize but you may never recognize it. Much like India. Cool. Srinath. |
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