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Reply #45 - 02/19/13 at 06:35:07
 
& just how is the NRA has blocked data? Where are you?
& WHY would NRA block data? All the FBI stats Ive ever seen would be Exactly what the NRA wants people to KNOW!
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Reply #46 - 02/19/13 at 06:52:46
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/19/13 at 06:35:07:
& just how is the NRA has blocked data? Where are you?
& WHY would NRA block data? All the FBI stats Ive ever seen would be Exactly what the NRA wants people to KNOW!


The Stats you see are what the NRA wants you to know ... and the ones you dont see are the ones that the NRA dont want you to know.

I've posted a bunch of links as to what the NRA has blocked in that other post - you want me to post it again ?
They are also feeding lies to their user base. Posted that too.

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Reply #47 - 02/21/13 at 07:05:25
 
Yes, I missed that. PLease show me what info you have that would indicate the NRA is blocking access to gun data.
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Reply #48 - 02/21/13 at 09:12:58
 
He can't. It's blocked.


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Reply #49 - 02/21/13 at 19:37:33
 
I had posted this in that other post - http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1360345854
And this was what I had posted.


http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-science-on-gu...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/gun-lobby-helps-block-data-collectio...

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/executive-order-nra-should-fe...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/31/nra-guns-tobacco-researc...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/26/opinion/etzioni-guns

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/31/health/nra-backed-obamacare-provision-r...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/10/160412/commentary-nra-prevents-funding....

https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-nra-s-block-on-gun-research

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/07/nras-bill-to-ban-anti-gun-lobbying-woul...


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Not just blocking information - its also active propogation of lies - like this, which I have read even here - I will look for it in a min -

National Rifle Association (NRA) Continues to Feed Its Readers Demonstrable Lies and Distortions

Thoroughly debunked years ago, the gun lobby’s favorite research – a 1995 study by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz that reported an astounding 2.5 million defense gun uses (DGU) each year in the United States. Yep, you read it right; 2.5 million DGUs PER YEAR!

The Kleck study claims that 2.5 million times per year, someone uses a gun to defend themselves. That’s more defensive gun uses than happened in WWII in Europe in 1944.  The Kleck study is so flawed the only thing it measures is the wild imagination of gun owners.

I will look, but I have seen that 2.5 million number in a post here.

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Reply #50 - 02/21/13 at 20:12:15
 
[quote author=3332292E213428400 link=1360377565/45#49 date=1361504253]I had posted this in that other post - http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1360345854
And this was what I had posted.[/qoute]


http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-science-on-gu...

BS Article.  Mostly an opinion piece, but it attributes all the foot dragging on research to the NRA with no proof at all.  Yes there is foot dragging, but by which side?  Nothing here looks at that, they just blame the "Evil NRA."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/gun-lobby-helps-block-data-collectio...

Dead link...  Try http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/gun-lobby-helps-block-data-collectio...

Also a BS article.  This is not about Data Collection, but a gun registry.  How about a free speech registry?  The fact that we do not trust the federal government with a national registry is sound thinking.  Look what happened with this one? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-08-nra-katrina_N.htm

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html

Not really sure I see the problem here.  They do not want tax dollars funding biased research...  I am OK with that.  If you are not, find some money and fund it.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/executive-order-nra-should-fe...

Broken link and I do not feel like looking.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/31/nra-guns-tobacco-researc...

Broken link and I do not feel like looking.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/26/opinion/etzioni-guns

Another article in support of gun registration and serial numbers for bullets.  The problem is, in addition to adding a lot of costs, and removing legal reloading, we do not trust the record keepers.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/31/health/nra-backed-obamacare-provision-r...

Broken link and I do not feel like looking.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/10/160412/commentary-nra-prevents-funding....

Broken link and I do not feel like looking.

https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-nra-s-block-on-gun-research

Quote:
The N.R.A. denounced the research as “political opinion masquerading as medical science,” and in 1996, Congress took $2.6 million intended for gun research and redirected it to traumatic brain injury. It prohibited the use of C.D.C. money “to advocate or promote gun control.”


If all of these people so support the research, why not pay for it?  Other than the fact that counter research has shown time and time again that it is false.  Research paid for by private groups, I might add.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/07/nras-bill-to-ban-anti-gun-lobbying-woul...

Broken link again...

srinath wrote on 02/21/13 at 19:37:33:
And Not just blocking information - its also active propogation of lies - like this, which I have read even here - I will look for it in a min -

National Rifle Association (NRA) Continues to Feed Its Readers Demonstrable Lies and Distortions

Thoroughly debunked years ago, the gun lobby’s favorite research – a 1995 study by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz that reported an astounding 2.5 million defense gun uses (DGU) each year in the United States. Yep, you read it right; 2.5 million DGUs PER YEAR!

The Kleck study claims that 2.5 million times per year, someone uses a gun to defend themselves. That’s more defensive gun uses than happened in WWII in Europe in 1944.  The Kleck study is so flawed the only thing it measures is the wild imagination of gun owners.

I will look, but I have seen that 2.5 million number in a post here.

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I call BS.  Citation needed, and better than the debunked ones above.
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Reply #51 - 02/21/13 at 20:27:54
 
You're going to have to google those key words, I cant paste the complete link cos google doesn't show them.

And I dont see why public $$ that has been used to collect the gun incident stats should be blocked when a FOIA is placed for its compilation. The data is there, its public, the way to access it is via FOIA, once that was done it should be provided ... the NRA defunded that action. You get a FOIA for say traffic accidents involving cell phones ... you get a data collection run and sent to you. You do that for hospital visits with a busted tooth ... again same thing ... someone will get you a report with raw data. Try that for gun related ... No data for you, defunded data collection. Oh yea you may think its flawed ... many of us dont, many of us will let the data tell us if it is flawed or not.

And what you mean BS and citation needed ... NRA has been using that article ... you want me to find that article ?

Its an often used NRA stat, look it up, should be easy enough.

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Reply #52 - 02/22/13 at 08:51:50
 
Can Blacks join the NRA,I don't thing they can join the KKKs,So probability not.
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