PS: I just called and spoke with the Rislone folks ( spoke with Fred). per Fred: Do not use with a wet clutch as it does contain friction modifiers not compatible with wet clutches.

I asked if they offered ANY product that both boosted ZDDP and did not contain friction modifiers. Answer: NO.

There you go folks.

This thread will be edited as new motorcycle oils are discovered that meet the following criteria:

RECOMMENDATION FOR LOCAL PURHASE RULES:

1)   JASO MA rated  (we ignore JASO MA2 and JASO MB as they don't really apply to the Savage motorcycle)
2)   Locally available at Advance Auto Parts, Autozone, O'Reilly, or Walmart.
3)   Contain a minimum of 1,200 ppm of ZDDP (or have more)
4)   Contains no moly or other energy star compounds to make your clutch slip
5)   Reasonable cost, less than $8.00 a quart for the dino products and less than $12 a quart for the synthetic products.
6)  A history of successful list use in the Savage motorcycle.

We will also list the Recommended ZDDP boosters that the mgf. recommends for use in wet clutch motorcycle engines.   Most of these wet clutch friendly ZDDP boosters will require you to internet order them as they are not stocked locally.  

Please note:  Lucas ZDDP booster which is stocked locally is not recommended by Lucas for use in wet clutch motorcycle engines.  Ditto for Rislone ZDDP booster, Rislone won't recommend it for wet clutch motorcycle engines.

There is still debate as to the true needed ZDDP level for getting the best life out of the antique Savage cam and split fork rocker tappet system.  The current debated number is somewhere between 1,200 and 1,500 ppm of ZDDP with only the lesser number being available locally in a oil product without requiring the use of a mail order ZDDP booster.

The key thing here is for you to use the recommended high ZDDP oils (and ZDDP booster if you think you need it) as all of the currently bottled locally available "motorcycle oils" have abandoned the old Savage engine and are now formulated to meet the needs of catalytic converter equipped fuel injected motorcycles.  

Not following these recommendations may shorten the service life of your valve train and your valve guides.


So far the Recommended list for local purchase stands at:

                     (pricing comes from Walmart)


Dino        -- Rotella T Triple Protection 15W40           $12.99 a gallon  
                                                                            ($3.25 a quart)

Synthetic -- Rotella T-6 5W40                                   $21.99 a gallon
                                                                            ($5.50 a quart)


We will add more oils as they become available and prove out by VOA and list testing.


ZDDP boosters        

Redline Break In ZDDP Booster    $14.95 for 16 ounces

Free Amazon Prime shipping at   http://www.amazon.com/Redline-81403-Engine-Break-In-Additive/dp/B00881GELC/re...





NEW LISTING:   AMAZON.COM PRIME (FREE SHIPPING) OILS)

We realize folks are going to have to get on line to source Savage compatible oils and AMAZON.COM has the best prices seen so far,  so we list the appropriate Amazon oils here along with a notation if they are able to be shipped for free under Prime.   We also know this Prime free shipping comes and goes according to whether there is stock on hand at your nearest Amazon owned warehouse, so PLEASE watch your shipping charges as you check out for any unplanned surprises.

AMAZON.COM Recommended oils and boosters


Redline Break In ZDDP Booster    $14.95 for 16 ounces    Free Amazon Prime shipping at   http://www.amazon.com/Redline-81403-Engine-Break-In-Additive/dp/B00881GELC/re...




(to save yourself hassles, please carry all questions to the following Rubber Side Down thread called "RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS".  
This tread remains locked until edited by a moderator.

(link follows)     http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=13444714

Who said that turkey stuffin' stuff?    

Moly (organic or otherwise) is a relatively new addition to car motor oils, commonly denoted by energy star on the label, whose purpose was to increase mpg more than make the engine live or last longer.

ZDDP has been in use since the 50's and is the primary most effective anti-wear anti-galling, anti-oxidation additive that was ever put in engine oil.   It is a shame that cat converters don't like it ....

It has no dependency on moly (or vice versa) although they might fight for space at the outer chemical boundary zone of the auto's moving steel parts, when the moly gets wiped off by a friction touch then ZDDP will jump on the scraped bare spot and take its place and vice versa (they compete for the same boundary zone).  

Which one is quicker to jump on the bare spot, or which has more reserve troops in it's auto oil army I dunno, but I do know that moly makes wet clutches slip AND YOU DON"T WANT ANY IN YOUR BIKE OIL !!!!   And you shouldn't have any, so your question is sort moot, ain't it?

Thanks OF. I'm adding some tomorrow.

 
Amisol products are not sold locally or nor are they sold by Amazon.

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I don't live in an imaginary world where price doesn't count.  T-6 costs less than $5.50 a quart bought at the Wally local to me, and a 1 oz jigger of Redline booster costs less than a $1.25 when bought from Amazon.  This gets me up into "the good stuff ZDDP range" no matter which number you believe in.

Heck, let's be generous and let's try to exceed the ZDDP in Redline's bike oil and use a whopping big three jiggers of Redline booster on top of the 1,200 ppm in T-6.

Total cost of T-6 plus 3 oz of booster = $9.50 for a fully ZDDP'd fully synthetic oil.

Vs

Shelling out $133 for a case of Redline 10w40 bike oil.  I mean, its red, but so what?  It is still $11 a quart and it is a week away from me.  

Plus, Redline makes racing oil and normal oil and motorcycle oil and the ZDDP reported for each different one is different on BITOG.

But the bike stuff looks awful good, except for the 50 ppm of moly that is in the Redline bike oil that is.   ZDDP looks very good though, almost beyond reasonable reason for an $11 a quart at Amazon.com type of oil.

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=109&pcid=21

wow

Reality also says that I just changed my oil and I have up to a year to figure out my next oil change.

And in a year, a whole lot is going to change about this situation.  





..... and in a year I will still have T-6 on hand and over half a bottle of Redline booster left.   Although I will keep an eye out for results from Redline's 10w40 bike oil to see if any one does any VOA/UOA paired testing.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/09/12 at 17:17:08:

Some not all independent bike shops sell Amsoil, like the one I go to for ordering my parts or minor issues I don't feel like working on.  He sells it at a price between that of the amsoils preferred member price and retail price.

But I do know it's not available everywhere.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/09/12 at 18:05:28:


Now to be fair.. it says 0.25% zinc = 2500ppm, not 21,000.  A mere doubling of the amount in Rotella T6, plus a pinch.. Still, I'll take THOSE bazongas.