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One reason the rich matter
08/09/10 at 06:19:27
 
There's a good article on Yahoo this morning about why the rich folks matter.  As everyone knows, our economy is driven by consumer spending for things from cars, appliances, etc. down to ballpoint pens.

Those who earn the top 5% of the income in the U.S. account for 37% of all spending.  When the wealthy stop buying, especially discretionary items, the economy falters.  When things are good, and they are spending vast sums, that spending drives the economy forward.

Whether you like this fact doesn't matter - it's still a fact.  When you put purchasing power into the hands of those at the top, they spend and create demand that in turn creates jobs for those who produce what is bought.  When you have gov't policies, like high taxes, tight credit, and other forces that diminish spending, we all suffer.
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Reply #1 - 08/09/10 at 06:27:11
 
The rich spend money on Germany cars,Mexicans mowing their lawn and yard work.Chinese clothes and shoes.
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Reply #2 - 08/09/10 at 06:46:32
 
Bill -

Some of that is true.  But don't forget vacation homes in the U.S., Harleys, Cadillacs, boats made here, etc.

And German cars are sold by U.S. dealerships that employ salesmen, shop mechanics, bookkeeping staff, etc.

Imported clothes are sold by stores here in the U.S. that employ sales people, tailors, janitors to clean the stores, etc.

The place of manufacture doesn't determine who all benefits from the sale - in fact, very little of it.

Take a foreign car - on a one time basis, the foreign manufacturer benefits a few hundred bucks in profit from the sale.  Thereafter, the dealership and its employees benefit, as do the maint. technicians who service it for the next 100,000+ miles.  It's not as simple as just the country of manufacture.

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Reply #3 - 08/09/10 at 06:59:15
 
Jerry and Bill:

As you know it gets more complex than that. For example, Kawasaki has a plant in Lincoln, NE. At that plant are manufactured all Jet Skis, Mules, and I think all of their four-wheelers. They made motorcycles there too, during the days of the over 700 cc tariff. They also manufacture rail cars, and the wheels for other makers' four-wheelers. So, is a Kawasaki Jet Ski a foreign product?

My Pontiac Sunbird, allegedly an American car, has an engine made in Brazil. My Kawasaki 250 Ninja, supposedly Japanese, was made in Indonesia. If you are using a computer of any brand, odds are exceedingly good it contains parts made in China - if indeed it wasn't made there entirely.

BMW has, or was building, a plant in Alabama. Beretta (firearms) sells pistols made in their plant in Accokeek, MD to the Army. Honda makes cars in Ohio. Nissan has a plant in Tennessee. Toyota makes their Tundra pickups in the USA. It is getting really tough to use the argument about buying foreign products, because there are so many of them.
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Reply #4 - 08/09/10 at 07:02:19
 
When I was tending bar in Long Beach there was several wives that got together and flew off to Hong Kong to do there xmas shopping.
Mostly clothing ,mens suits and shirts.I'm sure that didn.'t help our economy.BTW the guys were all lawyers,most of my customers were lawyers and stock brokers.
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Reply #5 - 08/09/10 at 07:19:14
 
Mick -

I always knew I should have migrated to California after I got out of the Army.  Now, with your story of all of those "rich" lawyers there, I know for sure that I should have <g>.

Bill and Charon -

The BMW plant is in South Carolina.  There is also a Mercedes factory somewhere in the south that makes the G series SUVs.

Today you just cannot say that any product is soley that of any single nation.

It's the American distribution chain that benefits from a "foreign" product.  Even if the product is actually imported, an Amercian Longshoreman unloads it at the port of entry, and Americans distribute, sell, and maintain it going forward.

Ay my airport, we are dealers for Tecnam airplanes.  Made in Italy, with an Austrian (Rotax) engine.  All of the avionics are American brands, and that's about 1/3 of the price of the airplane.  My American mechanics maintain our customers' airplanes, my American line service guys put fuel in them, and they pay hangar rent to us, an obvious American enterprise.

When tires and brakes need replacement, American ones go in.  The list is endless - foreign products no longer benefit only the foreigner.
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Reply #6 - 08/09/10 at 07:39:32
 
It's all quite complex but Jerry explained it well, yes, money trickles down.

The economy (as we all know it) will NEVER recover in a million years
without money circulating at all levels, i.e.  from pens to bentleys, but
here is the kicker: it's not supposed to, not for a while, here is why.



It all has to do with WHO is making your plastic pen or luxury car.

What is happening right now is a sort of filter for little unwanted
companies and for that very unwanted pesky middle class that
were told in the 80's that SOCIAL MOBILITY was possible, haha,
well it's NOT and it's time to knock them all out of their cloud.


Here is the thing, COKE and PEPSI are NOT in competition with
each other, neither are BMW, PORSCHE and BENZ or TIME WARNER,
DISNEY, BARTELSMANN, VIACOM with SONY, etc. It does not matter
where you shop as long it's in one of their stores/products.


In reality they are all just a huge monopoly that only give the
illusion of free market competition. It's all a STAGED SHOW!!!!  
...just like wreastling.

These guys have 3 golden rules:

1.- Competition is a sin.
We are a cartel, a family.
2.- Don't place all your eggs in one basket
If a factory shuts down only the workers and the city suffers not us, who cares.
3.- People forget, but still always keep the public dumb and entretained (distracted).
american idol, no! Monday night football, oh! look at the cat playing keyboard! ...awww

You don't believe me?  
Ok, fine, then just answer this:

WHY are small banks shutting down left and right all while
specific LARGE banks get FREE money (bailout) to keep operating?
...and it's the same story in every single sector of industry and trade.


why?   ...simple, they own these banks and these companies, it's all connected.
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Reply #7 - 08/09/10 at 07:48:10
 
Stimpy -

Who is "they", and specifically, how are Coke and Pepsi, or BMW and Daimler, interconnected?
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Reply #8 - 08/09/10 at 08:01:43
 
yes, they're all connected in a way, and if they are not
they are kept around for a reason, maybe as a supplier
/producer of a specific non-competing good they need or
to give the illusion of competition; remember, to them,
competition is a sin, period... only that no one told the
managers and workers of these companies, that's why
it looks/feels real and why a CEO (one of them) usualy
makes anywhere from 30 to 200 times more than a
regular employee.


And who are 'they'? well no conspiracy here or anything,
look it up yourself, start at the top and follow the money.

A good place to start is with the media companies.
See what does GE, VIACOM, SONY, ETC own:

- tv/cable channels
- movie studios
- radio stations
- magazines
- music lables
- telecommunications
- real estate
- overseas tv networks and/or holdings

- what BANKS all the money runs through
and how these banks change name in every
region or country but are the SAME bank!

- where/how do these companies diversify into
other industries like sports franchises, food, heavy
industries, contractors, etc

do this and and you'll start to get the picture  Wink
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Reply #9 - 08/09/10 at 08:16:33
 
coke,
With a portfolio of more than 3,300 beverages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coca-Cola_brands
http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/brands/brandlist.html


pepsi
Pepsi
Diet Pepsi
Mountain Dew
AMP Energy
Aquafina
Sierra Mist
SoBe
Starbucks Frappuccino
Lipton Iced Tea
7up
Mirinda
Izze
Tropicana Products
Copella
Naked Juice
Gatorade
Propel Fitness Water
Quaker Oats Company
Lay's
Doritos
Cheetos
Kurkure
Fritos
Rold Gold
Ruffles
Tostitos
Slice
Frappuccino
Starbucks DoubleShot
Starbucks Iced Coffee
Mandarin (license)
D&G (license)
Lipton Brisk
Lipton Original Iced Tea
Lipton Iced Tea
Ben & Jerry's Milkshakes
Dole juices & juice drinks (license)
Sunny Delight

(they wouldn't sell, so you think Jolt Cola had a chance?)
...do the math
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Reply #10 - 08/09/10 at 08:20:15
 
Sorry, Stimpy -

All of this is crap.  You and JOG ought to get together for a flushing out of all world wide conspiracies.

My local bank is owned by local shareholders.  I have a few shares - wish I could afford more.
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Reply #11 - 08/09/10 at 08:23:03
 
Ok, no problem, you are right, from now on bike-talk only
round here from my part, there is truly nothing I can do to
make you see that the economy of the US Corp. of America
is based on fundless funny money that might as well be
printed at kinkos.

Wake uuuup and ask yourself why the FED works above the
law as has not been audited. P.S. the fed is nothing but the
american franchise of the Bank of England BUT without the
gold reserves to back it up.  ...and btw, Fort Knox is empty.

See you around.
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Reply #12 - 08/09/10 at 08:27:48
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 08/09/10 at 06:19:27:
   When you have gov't policies, like high taxes, tight credit, and other forces that diminish spending, we all suffer.


... and so,... those tax cuts for the rich, and the lax lending regulations are what GW used to give us this robust economy and high employment...
Yeah,... we should do that again... Huh...

You can't seriously be arguing in favor of a repeat of that policy after 8 years of proven failure...
Is this hole not deep enough?...

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Reply #13 - 08/09/10 at 08:39:53
 
Serowbot -

You forget that things were going nicely until the subprime mortgage meltdown started the cascade of failures, or near failures, that almost brought down the global financial system.  All of this happened in the last year of GWB's 8 years in office.  It took that long for his predecessor's errors to manifest themselves.

And whose idea was it to provide subprime mortgages to those who could not afford them in the first place?  Of course, Bill Clinton and that misguided Community Reinvestment Act.  In trying to do something for the "little guy", they darned near ruined the little guy, as tens of thousands of them were forced into foreclosure.

We'll never agree on this - so say you're right - how would you get consumer spending up again, in amounts that matter?  Telling us that if a lower middle class person has $10 more per week to spend at WalMart for sure isn't the answer.

What matters is to get manufacturing of high end items rolling again, with the good paying jobs that manufacturing and distributing entail.  And we know who buys those items.
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Reply #14 - 08/09/10 at 09:09:44
 
fortunately we have good ole GM!  Spending $500M right here in North America, well at least in Mexico........


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100803-721411.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

thanks for the bailout guys!
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