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Reply #30 - 04/18/24 at 16:31:40
 

Who would they giving the guns to ?
Who has Brain-Washed them ?
Who says:
"...They really aren't necessary for a meaningful life ..." ?

It seams that one could say:
'They really aren't necessary for a meaningful life'
About, Golf Clubs, Tennis/Pickle-Ball rackets, Hockey Sticks, Base/soft ball bats, Or Beer !     and on and on and on.



 They can go give those up too, and it still wouldn't be the Government "TAKING ALL" of those items.  It would be humans choosing to give away things they shouldn't.

 This all ignores the fact that humans won't just have their guns surprisingly taken away because the media isn't WIDELY and LOUDLY telling them it can happen.  Other humans will say something too.  MJ users will simply stop loaning their guns out, or stop going to FFL's to do it.
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Reply #31 - 04/18/24 at 17:25:43
 
Eegore wrote on 04/18/24 at 16:31:40:
"...   They can go give those up too, and it still wouldn't be the Government "TAKING ALL" of those items.  It would be humans choosing to give away ..."

So if/when the Government of the USA says, 'no guns',
WHO will 'take' them ?
Who will they be, 'surrendered' to ?

Why, is a firearm made in 1908,
(the SAME OPERATING SYSTEM)
of a firearm made in 2024,
not the SAME, 'BAD", ?????

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Reply #32 - 04/18/24 at 17:52:31
 
So if/when the Government of the USA says, 'no guns',
WHO will 'take' them ?


 Nobody.  The logistical nightmare of trying to forcibly extract firearms from the US populace would not be a viable option.



Who will they be, 'surrendered' to ?

 The designated authority established by policy or law.


Why, is a firearm made in 1908,
(the SAME OPERATING SYSTEM)
of a firearm made in 2024,
not the SAME, 'BAD", ?????

(GOLLY GEE Wally must be the black plastic)



 I have no idea, this is nothing more than deflection.  No part of gun-mechanics perception establishes an increased chance of FFL transfers effectively "TAKING ALL" of the MJ users guns in the US.  They will simply loan their guns without using the FFL transfer, or refuse to loan out guns.  A lack of the media WIDELY and LOUDLY telling criminal MJ users owning firearms that Federal law applies to them will change this.  Other people will let them know.  There will not be thousands of guns surrendered a day because the government TAKES the MJ records.

 The only way "ALL" or even most, MJ user's guns get confiscated is if we choose ignore all other logical responses, so we can imagine up some nonsense worst-case scenario.  Like people refusing to use FFL transfers.

 If a human chooses to commit the crime of owning a firearm and consuming MJ, they are subject to the legal consequences of those choices.  Too bad for them.
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Reply #33 - 04/19/24 at 04:16:30
 
It is of course important that laws are in place.

But what you are overlooking is that once again a group of people, in this case MJ smokers, are registered and restricted. This time in combination whit guns.
This fits perfectly with the future of a social points system.

That is exactly what a social points system means.
Register everything and make limiting consequences.

In this case, it is the opponents of weapons who want to endorse it because it suits their interests.

But they do not realize that they have once again destroyed a piece of freedom and normalized the possibility of freedom by restricting it and adapting legislation accordingly.

And so it is the people who are so-called moralists who contribute to hermetically sealing an inhuman totalitarian system.

Moralists are in principle against life it has always been that way.

Of course, this is not done consciously, And people who break the law also contribute to it. But you have to see what is happening and why.

A social control system is a perfect way to confiscate weapons.
All you have to do is lower someone's points balance to the point where bank accounts are blocked and mandatory re-education courses have to be taken, which includes handing in all registered weapons.

As long as the social points system is still regarded as a conspiracy theory, the globalists can carry out their plans under the guise of natural technological progress.

Social awareness about this is suppressed at all costs because if people were to realize what it entails, we would revolt en masse.
A digital currency means the end of cash. And the end of cash is the trapdoor closing.
Then you will see the government show its new undemocratic face.
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Reply #34 - 04/19/24 at 07:08:27
 

But what you are overlooking is that once again a group of people, in this case MJ smokers, are registered and restricted. This time in combination whit guns.
This fits perfectly with the future of a social points system.



 It also fits in with the criminals not having firearms system.
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Reply #35 - 04/19/24 at 08:28:01
 
That remains to be seen because in China the triads (Chinese mafia) have power that is also deeply rooted in the CCP.


A social control system is mainly intended to monitor and control citizens. It is in principle corrupt because it is based on an elite that holds power.

The problem in america is that citizens have guns and therefore a constitutional amendment change is needed.
That won't happen anytime soon.But they will resist this when the net is closed.

So you see that legislation is being made and a culture is being cultivated to increasingly limit citizen power, to the point that a social control system can be introduced.

Only then can the constitution be changed so that protests will have serius consequences for your points.

In China, a points system was already deeply ingrained in the culture.

A comprehensive social management system was introduced with the hukou (housing registration). The state relied on the hukou to keep track of where people lived, worked and sent their children to school.

And another means of controlling the population is the dang'an (archive). This is a permanent file that keeps track of citizens' performance and attitudes. It contains not only the physical characteristics and work history of individuals, but also peer reviews, achievements from primary school to university, convictions or administrative punishments, association memberships, etc. This file is maintained by local public security agencies.

These are precursors of the electronic points system that has been introduced there and that offers far-reaching possibilities for those in power.

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Reply #36 - 04/19/24 at 08:31:28
 
So it is quite a cultural change that the West has to undergo.

People will only accept it if they think there will be an improvement.
That is why the government does not want to do anything about immigration.
They want to create problems in all possible areas.
It is not without reason that legal dugs are now a major problem, or that the influx of migrants is simulated.
It is no longer the case that government is based on the needs of society. Governing is based on the realization of a preconceived plan.

In this plan you will lose your freedom and your possessions but you will be happy.

But criminals will always be there.
This phenomenon has not disappeared in China either.
A social points system only makes a government more powerful and power always goes hand in hand with corruption.

It's nonsense to think that you will no longer encounter a gun-pulling, derailed lunatic or someone who wants to rob you.
Such people will always find a way.

But your debit card will no longer work if you want to refuel if your points score does not allow it.
And you have no cash.

This system will never be about promoting well-being. This system is for those in power.
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Reply #37 - 04/19/24 at 08:42:12
 
"But your debit card will no longer work if you want to refuel if your points score does not allow it.
And you have no cash."


 I doubt it.  Those companies want our money.  We are greedy capitalists after all.

 They have plenty of control by letting us buy things we can't afford.

 Either way, the government taking ALL MJ records will not result in ALL MJ guns being confiscated.  My social points will be through the roof since I don't need the media to LOUDLY and WIDELY tell me that Federal laws exist.
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Reply #38 - 04/19/24 at 11:23:58
 
You regularly talk on a motorcycle forum with people who have very suspicious political preferences. That's not good.  Shocked

All that fact checking you do on controversial topics. That's not very reliable either  Cheesy

You hang out with bikers.
Oh dear.  Undecided
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