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Reply #15 - 02/13/24 at 19:22:37
 

Colorado Springs shooter: nonbinary
Nashville school shooter: trans
Aberdeen shooter: trans
Denver school shooter: trans
Iowa school shooter: trans/genderfluid
Lakewood Church shooter: trans

My original question on this topic occurred a couple of random mass shootings ago. Seemed to me there was a common common-denominator and that was the shooter had self-proclaimed a gender identification issue. My question was were some of these people under a doctor’s care and if so, had anyone reviewed to see if there was a common prescription drug. Simple question.

My hypothesis is some mentally ill people are more likely to stop fighting whatever urges plague them because the constraints of society have been weaken and that allows them to “give in” to the manifestations of their illness. But this opens serious pathways and for a very few, this turns violent. Are those receiving treatment for gender issues disproportionately represented?

I don’t know, but seems possible.
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Reply #16 - 02/13/24 at 20:45:38
 

 There are common prescription drugs, but they are typically hormone therapy given to millions of humans for reasons other than gender affirming care.

 So the problem there is how does the drug only turn trans humans into mass-shooters and not hundreds of thousands of others?

 There must be some specific mixture of drugs that could be causing the uptick in violent ideations, but managing to get the crimes to be so specific seems impossible.
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Reply #17 - 02/14/24 at 03:47:39
 
I didn’t say they turn all trans humans in the violent killers.

There  are obviously prescription drugs that affect people differently. All you have to do is listen to the end of any prescription to a commercial you see on television.

I’m just saying/asking has the FBI investigated to see if there’s a common thread revolving around prescriptions affiliated with all of these trans shooters. Seems a logical question and it seems like if I was the FBI Director or the CEO of a drug company, I would want to know that.
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I’m just saying/asking has the FBI investigated to see if there’s a common thread revolving around prescriptions affiliated with all of these trans shooters
 
 Again yes.  Yes there is investigation into this.

 The FBI, as far as I know, has not engaged in a direct investigation but given pretty much nothing they say can be trusted what would be the point of using their data?

 The problem is even 100 people out of millions is not enough to consider any reaction to any drug an official side effect.  There just aren't enough mass shooters on any specific prescription drug, compared to the number of non-mass-shooters to make that claim.

 Lets say only trans identifying humans took a specific drug and only ten thousand total were taking it at all.  It would be easier to identify a specific pattern.  Toss in a few million more and the shooters get diluted in the overall no-event human numbers.
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Reply #19 - 02/14/24 at 07:30:10
 
There just aren't enough mass shooters on any specific prescription drug, compared to the number of non-mass-shooters to make that claim.

How do you know that for certain?
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Reply #20 - 02/14/24 at 07:58:14
 
How do you know that for certain?'


 I look at the number of mass-shooters compared to the overall volume of living humans of the same demographic and compare it to the numbers typically utilized to show known side effects.  The sample size is extremely small.

 If 20 humans die and have taken Tylenol, that is compared to the billions that take Tylenol.  You would need more than 20 dead to show Tylenol has a fatal side-effect.  I just choose to also include perfectly fine humans when assessing the percentage of how many humans commit a crime.

 There is a chance that most mass-shooters managed to be on the same medication, and that medication is not typically prescribed to other humans that do not commit mass shootings.  However that chance is astronomically small.
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Reply #21 - 02/14/24 at 10:11:29
 
Again, I don’t think you have any way to know that. The number of people going through some type of transgender treatment as a fraction of the overall percentage of the population. I just read between 2016 and 2019 there were an estimated 48,000 surgeries. surgeries, hopefully, or at the end of a very long road, which seems like would include counseling as well as prescription drugs, either to prepare for surgery, or more likely to help with depression.

What if there are experimental treatments being done on a small portion that include a common drug. How would anyone know. Does the FBI contact these shooter’s doctors and get a list of treatment options they prescribed?  I don’t know the answer to that, do you? I would think doctors would be hesitant to release that information.
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Reply #22 - 02/14/24 at 11:08:52
 
"...The subway shooting in New York, the other day, involved one death and five injuries. If all of those people had been killed, it would’ve been determined to be a mass shooting. But I don’t put that in the same category. Those people knew each or had a fight and likely more than one were carrying weapons. It will be hard to find information on this since it’s likely they were a class of people who are protected by the media. ..."

Yep when a shooting is done by a doyboy or doygirl.
It Is BAN ALL GUNS,
BAN BAN BAN

Yet when a 'Gang-Bang' shooting occurs, NOTHING SAID about ENFORCING existing gun laws.

It's Just as WM said:
"... a class of people who are protected by the media ..."

Which is protected by the UL, DFI, Progressive FDS Socialists.






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Reply #23 - 02/14/24 at 15:05:07
 
Only in America do we have classifications of mass shootings.
Nowhere else are there enough to classify

Telling... i'nt it  Huh
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Reply #24 - 02/14/24 at 18:25:22
 
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Reply #25 - 02/14/24 at 18:27:26
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/14/24 at 15:05:07:
Only in America . . . "


Do we have,
A class of people protected by the media
A class of people protected by the government.
 A class of people protected by UL, DFI, Progressive FDS Socialists.
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Reply #26 - 02/14/24 at 20:13:25
 
What if there are experimental treatments being done on a small portion that include a common drug. How would anyone know. Does the FBI contact these shooter’s doctors and get a list of treatment options they prescribed?  I don’t know the answer to that, do you? I would think doctors would be hesitant to release that information.


 There is no evidence that the FBI is actively contacting doctors, besides it would all be considered lies anyway so why even consider them a source?  There is ample evidence they have asked multiple medical resources to investigate and provide consultation in regard to medications shooters are on.  Yes, the possibility of medications causing violent crime is being investigated.  

 The problem I have is how are they getting the experimental drugs to exclusively cause mass-shootings and not other types of violent crime?  Why aren't humans with gender dysphoria also trending upward in domestic abuse, child abuse, road rage, bar fights etc. like other drugs cause?  That along with the huge number of zero-event humans makes it difficult to even come close to saying a drug is causing mass-shootings exclusive to humans with gender identification changes.

  Also we went through literally every public document for the lakeside shooter and she has identified as female every time.  Family members have indicated she never stated anything about being trans, neighbors didn't notice anything, there are zero medical records, not one social media post indicates a trans human.

 The "trans" claim originated on X, and spread exclusively by sharing on social media.  The claim is most likely inaccurate.  The information available is overwhelming at this point, but the desire to have another trans shooter will surely supersede all actual facts.  People will still say this was a trans woman, even though the only source for this came from a human that has never met her.

 I would say it's safe to take this one off your count.


Lakewood Church shooter: Cis/Straight
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Reply #27 - 02/15/24 at 03:19:56
 
I would say it's safe to take this one off your count.

Maybe. I think I’ll hold off on that a bit longer.
Still doesn’t change my original question.
So if the possibility of certain types of prescriptions and treatment methods for those claiming gender confusion, correlate to increase levels of violence, is that something that should be published?

She was clearly mentally ill with multiple arrest. I would not be in favor of this person being allowed to legally buy a gun. From what I read, she was able to buy a 22 but they’re not sure where the AR 15 came from yet.

Common sense people are not against common sense gun laws and somebody who has assaulted a public servant, and at least one other arrest for assault, should create some kind of hold up on a gun purchase.

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Reply #28 - 02/15/24 at 03:41:07
 
 What criteria would you need for a mass shooter to be considered non-trans?  

 For me is is the absence of any evidence connected to the shooter.

 I personally don't accept random Twitter posts from humans with zero association to be a credible source - since any of the billions of humans on social media can make the claim with impunity.  

 If the criteria is "I will consider them trans until I hear otherwise", get ready to have pretty much everyone be trans from now on because that claim will be made by random social media users for every shooter for decades because anti-trans humans can lie too.


"So if the possibility of certain types of prescriptions and treatment methods for those claiming gender confusion, correlate to increase levels of violence, is that something that should be published?"

 Yes.  That is law and it should be followed.  Apply the warning specific to off-label use and it should be easily implemented.


Common sense people are not against common sense gun laws and somebody who has assaulted a public servant, and at least one other arrest for assault, should create some kind of hold up on a gun purchase.

 Agreed.  
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Reply #29 - 02/15/24 at 07:43:12
 
WebsterMark wrote on 02/14/24 at 18:25:22:
Yes, freedom…..

Freedom to shoot massive amounts of innocent people.

In what world is that a plus?   Huh
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