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Title: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/12/24 at 10:28:17 Church shooter apparently was another tranny. Starting to lose count. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/12/24 at 14:18:04 You don't even need to use a second hand to count all of them last year. Again this comes down to defining what you consider to be a mass shooting and why you are only calculating that specific crime and not all other crimes of violence against humans. If we can agree a mass shooting is 5 or more dead in a single shooting event in a single location then there were 21 in the US in 2023. 2 involved were transgender identifying humans. So how do we assess this information? Obviously there are more transgender identifying humans, so there should be an increase in crimes involving them. 2 out of 21 is a low percentage when evaluating only those numbers, but its a high percentage when calculating it against transgender to non-transgender of the entire US population. But why aren't transgender identifying humans measurably committing more domestic violence events, child abuse, road rage etc.? How are the drugs or whatever causing a focus specifically on guns, and only guns in areas of congregating humans? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by oldNslow on 02/13/24 at 04:39:17 Quote:
"transgenger identifying humans" are mentaly ill humans detatched from objetive reality. Most mass shooters who randomly kill other humans who they don't even know in public settings are likewise mentaly ill and detatched from objective reality. They are, as the leftistists like to say about a lot of unrelated things , living their TRUTH, as opposed to the actual truth that is obvious to rational mentally healthy humans. The tendency to normalise and rationalise "crazy" is an inexplicable (to me) and central theme of leftist ideology. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/13/24 at 05:15:31 "transgenger identifying humans" are mentaly ill humans detatched from objetive reality. Most mass shooters who randomly kill other humans who they don't even know in public settings are likewise mentaly ill and detatched from objective reality. They are, as the leftistists like to say about a lot of unrelated things , living their TRUTH, as opposed to the actual truth that is obvious to rational mentally healthy humans. The tendency to normalise and rationalise "crazy" is an inexplicable (to me) and central theme of leftist ideology. Could not be stated better. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/13/24 at 05:29:25 0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:
Not sure that’s correct unless you’re especially talented at playing the piano…. Colorado Springs shooter: nonbinary Nashville school shooter: trans Aberdeen shooter: trans Denver school shooter: trans Iowa school shooter: trans/genderfluid Lakewood Church shooter: trans But more importantly, I don’t subscribe to that definition. The subway shooting in New York, the other day, involved one death and five injuries. If all of those people had been killed, it would’ve been determined to be a mass shooting. But I don’t put that in the same category. Those people knew each or had a fight and likely more than one were carrying weapons. It will be hard to find information on this since it’s likely they were a class of people who are protected by the media. The mass shooting we’re talking is different. These are random mass shootings in a location where all the targets are not personally known. This is the type that garners attention and for good reason. The reality is when you narrow it down to that group, and the question is: are trannies over represented? Certainly seems so. I don’t get paid to be a criminologist and I’m not investing hours to put a specific number on what I’m sure I’m more right than wrong. And while I know you’re fond of ignoring main stream news, imagine for a moment if that list above all wore MAGA hats….. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/13/24 at 06:08:16 Not sure that’s correct unless you’re especially talented at playing the piano…. Not sure those are correct if we use the parameters described. Again the lack of specific definition of mass shooting event creates a numbers problem. Even if we say all shootings nationwide where 5 or more potential victims exist, at a single event caused by transgender identifying humans are due to drug interdiction; how are they getting the drugs to get transgender identifying humans to select guns, and select them where humans congregate? How are the gender affirming care drugs managing to omit other aggressive crimes? Or is it just another part of Moreno's criminal past prior to identifying as transgender, going back to 2016, and drugs aren't part of the issue at all? "And while I know you’re fond of ignoring main stream news, imagine for a moment if that list above all wore MAGA hats….." I don't care. How the media responds to a hat does not change the data of how many humans died. I am looking at how many humans died over a specific timeframe. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/13/24 at 06:10:12 ""transgenger identifying humans" are mentaly ill humans detatched from objetive reality. Most mass shooters who randomly kill other humans who they don't even know in public settings are likewise mentaly ill and detatched from objective reality." I agree. But the claims that the drugs are causing transgender identifying humans to select mass-shootings as a crime is challenging since it's very difficult to prove a drug can do something like that. Especially when it's assumption-based with no lab data. For instance "roid-rage" causes general aggressive behavior, not a specific type of weapon choice and location type. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/13/24 at 08:14:45 There are guns available to the general public that can sling hundreds of powerful bullets in minutes and you are worried about the gender of the shooters? If that's the problem... why so many male and so few female? Should we ban assault rifles for men? Should we have mandatory estrogen injections for men? Yes... it's ridiculous. Do you get the point? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by oldNslow on 02/13/24 at 08:21:55 4C6C6E667B6C090 wrote:
Yeah, I think that implicating drugs that are specifically used to help the "transition" of gender confused persons from one sex to another - which is not possible anyway - is quite a stretch. But some of the non trans mass shooters were being given drugs that are known to have side effects in some individuals that can cause unexpected violent and or suicidal behavior. It's possible that some of the trans shooters were being given such drugs to treat their underlying mental issues. Trying to treat a mental illness and at the same time enabling it seems to be a medical contradiction, but after the past few years of all the Covid and Vaccine bullSh*t we have been subjected to, not a whole lot that happens in medical practice surprises me anymore. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by thumperclone on 02/13/24 at 09:11:26 gender identity can be traced back to Egyptian times just as well to relate human oxygen breathers to crime stats trans phobia is another hate generated/fear right wing non issue |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by oldNslow on 02/13/24 at 12:19:38 4C504D55485D4A5B5457565D380 wrote:
No one in this discussion (except you) said anything about hate or fear of trans people. We agreed that they are mentaly ill. Instead of just tossing out accusations, tell us if you agree or disagree with that, and why or why not. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by thumperclone on 02/13/24 at 13:05:23 phobia is an irrational and excessive FEAR of a specific object, situation, or activity that poses little or no actual danger.. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by thumperclone on 02/13/24 at 13:13:49 Instead of just tossing out accusations, tell us if you agree or disagree with that, and why or why not. [/quote] the jury is still out on sexual identity choices both psychological and biological causes are apparent |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/13/24 at 13:30:47 phobia is an irrational and excessive FEAR of a specific object, situation, or activity that poses little or no actual danger.. Agreed. Nobody in this post has stated any FEAR of transgender identifying humans let alone an excessive amount. The problem is that people are tossing the label around like crazy instead of having a level of tolerance and open discussion that allows them to agree to disagree on a topic. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by thumperclone on 02/13/24 at 15:58:37 exactly I have a trans SIL (born male) have had many discussions over the years from what I gather hers is biological with a bit of home environment thrown in on a lighter note she comes here to Colorado sometimes and we go camping gotta say after the second day of not shaving she is one fugley person! |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/13/24 at 19:22:37 Colorado Springs shooter: nonbinary Nashville school shooter: trans Aberdeen shooter: trans Denver school shooter: trans Iowa school shooter: trans/genderfluid Lakewood Church shooter: trans My original question on this topic occurred a couple of random mass shootings ago. Seemed to me there was a common common-denominator and that was the shooter had self-proclaimed a gender identification issue. My question was were some of these people under a doctor’s care and if so, had anyone reviewed to see if there was a common prescription drug. Simple question. My hypothesis is some mentally ill people are more likely to stop fighting whatever urges plague them because the constraints of society have been weaken and that allows them to “give in” to the manifestations of their illness. But this opens serious pathways and for a very few, this turns violent. Are those receiving treatment for gender issues disproportionately represented? I don’t know, but seems possible. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/13/24 at 20:45:38 There are common prescription drugs, but they are typically hormone therapy given to millions of humans for reasons other than gender affirming care. So the problem there is how does the drug only turn trans humans into mass-shooters and not hundreds of thousands of others? There must be some specific mixture of drugs that could be causing the uptick in violent ideations, but managing to get the crimes to be so specific seems impossible. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/14/24 at 03:47:39 I didn’t say they turn all trans humans in the violent killers. There are obviously prescription drugs that affect people differently. All you have to do is listen to the end of any prescription to a commercial you see on television. I’m just saying/asking has the FBI investigated to see if there’s a common thread revolving around prescriptions affiliated with all of these trans shooters. Seems a logical question and it seems like if I was the FBI Director or the CEO of a drug company, I would want to know that. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/14/24 at 05:17:39 I’m just saying/asking has the FBI investigated to see if there’s a common thread revolving around prescriptions affiliated with all of these trans shooters Again yes. Yes there is investigation into this. The FBI, as far as I know, has not engaged in a direct investigation but given pretty much nothing they say can be trusted what would be the point of using their data? The problem is even 100 people out of millions is not enough to consider any reaction to any drug an official side effect. There just aren't enough mass shooters on any specific prescription drug, compared to the number of non-mass-shooters to make that claim. Lets say only trans identifying humans took a specific drug and only ten thousand total were taking it at all. It would be easier to identify a specific pattern. Toss in a few million more and the shooters get diluted in the overall no-event human numbers. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/14/24 at 07:30:10 There just aren't enough mass shooters on any specific prescription drug, compared to the number of non-mass-shooters to make that claim. How do you know that for certain? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/14/24 at 07:58:14 How do you know that for certain?' I look at the number of mass-shooters compared to the overall volume of living humans of the same demographic and compare it to the numbers typically utilized to show known side effects. The sample size is extremely small. If 20 humans die and have taken Tylenol, that is compared to the billions that take Tylenol. You would need more than 20 dead to show Tylenol has a fatal side-effect. I just choose to also include perfectly fine humans when assessing the percentage of how many humans commit a crime. There is a chance that most mass-shooters managed to be on the same medication, and that medication is not typically prescribed to other humans that do not commit mass shootings. However that chance is astronomically small. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/14/24 at 10:11:29 Again, I don’t think you have any way to know that. The number of people going through some type of transgender treatment as a fraction of the overall percentage of the population. I just read between 2016 and 2019 there were an estimated 48,000 surgeries. surgeries, hopefully, or at the end of a very long road, which seems like would include counseling as well as prescription drugs, either to prepare for surgery, or more likely to help with depression. What if there are experimental treatments being done on a small portion that include a common drug. How would anyone know. Does the FBI contact these shooter’s doctors and get a list of treatment options they prescribed? I don’t know the answer to that, do you? I would think doctors would be hesitant to release that information. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/14/24 at 11:08:52 "...The subway shooting in New York, the other day, involved one death and five injuries. If all of those people had been killed, it would’ve been determined to be a mass shooting. But I don’t put that in the same category. Those people knew each or had a fight and likely more than one were carrying weapons. It will be hard to find information on this since it’s likely they were a class of people who are protected by the media. ..." Yep when a shooting is done by a doyboy or doygirl. It Is BAN ALL GUNS, BAN BAN BAN Yet when a 'Gang-Bang' shooting occurs, NOTHING SAID about ENFORCING existing gun laws. It's Just as WM said: "... a class of people who are protected by the media ..." Which is protected by the UL, DFI, Progressive FDS Socialists. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/14/24 at 15:05:07 Only in America do we have classifications of mass shootings. Nowhere else are there enough to classify Telling... i'nt it :-? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/14/24 at 18:25:22 Yes, freedom….. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/14/24 at 18:27:26 5147504D55404D56220 wrote:
Do we have, A class of people protected by the media A class of people protected by the government. A class of people protected by UL, DFI, Progressive FDS Socialists. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/14/24 at 20:13:25 What if there are experimental treatments being done on a small portion that include a common drug. How would anyone know. Does the FBI contact these shooter’s doctors and get a list of treatment options they prescribed? I don’t know the answer to that, do you? I would think doctors would be hesitant to release that information. There is no evidence that the FBI is actively contacting doctors, besides it would all be considered lies anyway so why even consider them a source? There is ample evidence they have asked multiple medical resources to investigate and provide consultation in regard to medications shooters are on. Yes, the possibility of medications causing violent crime is being investigated. The problem I have is how are they getting the experimental drugs to exclusively cause mass-shootings and not other types of violent crime? Why aren't humans with gender dysphoria also trending upward in domestic abuse, child abuse, road rage, bar fights etc. like other drugs cause? That along with the huge number of zero-event humans makes it difficult to even come close to saying a drug is causing mass-shootings exclusive to humans with gender identification changes. Also we went through literally every public document for the lakeside shooter and she has identified as female every time. Family members have indicated she never stated anything about being trans, neighbors didn't notice anything, there are zero medical records, not one social media post indicates a trans human. The "trans" claim originated on X, and spread exclusively by sharing on social media. The claim is most likely inaccurate. The information available is overwhelming at this point, but the desire to have another trans shooter will surely supersede all actual facts. People will still say this was a trans woman, even though the only source for this came from a human that has never met her. I would say it's safe to take this one off your count. Lakewood Church shooter: Cis/Straight |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 03:19:56 I would say it's safe to take this one off your count. Maybe. I think I’ll hold off on that a bit longer. Still doesn’t change my original question. So if the possibility of certain types of prescriptions and treatment methods for those claiming gender confusion, correlate to increase levels of violence, is that something that should be published? She was clearly mentally ill with multiple arrest. I would not be in favor of this person being allowed to legally buy a gun. From what I read, she was able to buy a 22 but they’re not sure where the AR 15 came from yet. Common sense people are not against common sense gun laws and somebody who has assaulted a public servant, and at least one other arrest for assault, should create some kind of hold up on a gun purchase. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/15/24 at 03:41:07 What criteria would you need for a mass shooter to be considered non-trans? For me is is the absence of any evidence connected to the shooter. I personally don't accept random Twitter posts from humans with zero association to be a credible source - since any of the billions of humans on social media can make the claim with impunity. If the criteria is "I will consider them trans until I hear otherwise", get ready to have pretty much everyone be trans from now on because that claim will be made by random social media users for every shooter for decades because anti-trans humans can lie too. "So if the possibility of certain types of prescriptions and treatment methods for those claiming gender confusion, correlate to increase levels of violence, is that something that should be published?" Yes. That is law and it should be followed. Apply the warning specific to off-label use and it should be easily implemented. Common sense people are not against common sense gun laws and somebody who has assaulted a public servant, and at least one other arrest for assault, should create some kind of hold up on a gun purchase. Agreed. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/15/24 at 07:43:12 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
Freedom to shoot massive amounts of innocent people. In what world is that a plus? :-? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 08:19:58 I personally don't accept random Twitter posts from humans with zero association to be a credible source - since any of the billions of humans on social media can make the claim with impunity. I believe I said, perhaps the initial reports were wrong, but I will wait a little longer to find out what the truth is. Say what you want about Twitter but, it is more right than wrong plenty of times, so let’s slow down on the “ I don’t accept random Twitter post”. Every hectic event is followed by a period of reporting that turns out to be corrected later. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 08:27:38 7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:
Freedom to shoot massive amounts of innocent people. In what world is that a plus? :-?[/quote] Of course, no one has freedom to shoot innocent people. That’s a ridiculous statement. This story will quickly get dropped or people like you will turn it into a gun control freak out when it already seems obvious, (sorry Eegore, but I’m using unsubstantiated Twitter reports because Official reports are not out yet, and I suspect because they’re conflicted with how they’re going to report on the suspects), but from people who were there, these were essentially gangbangers firing at one another. Just exactly what law is going to stop that? Tell me. Your ridiculous liberal ideology says if you just pass a law, problems will be solved but all that will happen is legal and responsible gun owners will follow the rules while gangbangers still walk around shooting each other. then what are you gonna do? You’ll demand another lol. The reality is, and this is especially true since I live in one of these large cities, the African-American population in large cities is responsible for the vast, vast majority of murders. You just don’t want to address that because it opens up the Pandora’s box of how your ridiculous liberal ideology has destroyed the black community. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/15/24 at 08:47:36 I believe I said, perhaps the initial reports were wrong, but I will wait a little longer to find out what the truth is. Say what you want about Twitter but, it is more right than wrong plenty of times, so let’s slow down on the “ I don’t accept random Twitter post”. Every hectic event is followed by a period of reporting that turns out to be corrected later. Fair enough. I believe I said with zero association. It's not like I just read a few articles and decided, I had thousands of posts read, traced and verified. I had two teams and AI read every single post we could find, over 3000, from every known family member going back to 2009. I personally read through her conservator paperwork filed by multiple family members and all of her responses. Not one mention of trans activity of any kind. We looked through every criminal report we could find, not one mention of trans. A schizophrenic using a male alias is not by my assessment a declaration of being trans. The shooter has always claimed to be female and so has every official record and family posting that we could find. The claim that this shooter is trans came from a human that had zero contact with the shooter and has claimed multiple shooters in multiple crimes are trans. If I had Twitter posting from a connected source like family, friends, victims, a clinic etc. that had any indication of trans claims, then sure Twitter would be a reliable source. Some random human with zero connection = not a reliable source. Why would you accept a Twitter post from a human that never knew the shooter in any way as a reliable source? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/15/24 at 08:51:51 (sorry Eegore, but I’m using unsubstantiated Twitter reports because Official reports are not out yet, and I suspect because they’re conflicted with how they’re going to report on the suspects), Are you using Twitter posts from people that live in another state that were never there and have never known in any way the shooters? Like a human in Florida that makes these statements regularly just because they can? Or are they from people that were connected to the event, like people who knew the shooters or were actually there? If you are using Twitter posts from random humans with zero connection, that would be equal to using Twitter posts claiming the Lakewood shooter is trans. Again that doesn't mean the Lakewood shooter is not trans. It just means the source is a human who made the statement with zero credibility. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/15/24 at 09:04:27 6F4F4D45584F2A0 wrote:
Kinna like all the reporters, 'reporting', on the recent Kansas shooting ? Best I can read about, 3 people in custody. WOW, what if, they were ILEA-GELS ??? LOLOLOOOLOOLOL |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/15/24 at 10:09:18 This is going to be interesting. From the most Liberal, Gun hating, 'news' reporters. Chicken Noodle News. "... The shooting appears to have been a “dispute between several people that ended in gunfire,” Graves said, noting there is no indication of a “nexus to terrorism or homegrown violent extremism.” On Wednesday, Graves said three people had been detained and an unspecified number of guns recovered by law enforcement. Several law enforcement officials similarly told CNN the shooting was believed to have been the result of a personal dispute in the area, and not an attack on the celebration itself. One of those officials said the three people in custody are all believed to have been involved in the dispute and that, initially, 10 people were questioned. The status of the other seven who were questioned is unclear. ..." Sound like, Gang Banger Related ? Will See. The Gov said it was, 'Thugs'. And the response was, ''...More Gun Laws..." LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/15/24 at 10:10:54 Kinna like all the reporters, 'reporting', on the recent Kansas shooting ? Only if the reporters are taking statements from humans that were never there claiming the information is from witnesses that have first hand accurate information. Reporters by definition report, but do not require personal attendance of events in order to do so. They should take witness statements from people that were witness, instead of witness statements from humans that were never there but instead claiming they have accurate information when they could not possibly have any at all. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 10:35:32 95% of people guessed correctly what had happened at the parade immediately. Was there a chance it was something other than it was? Sure, there was a chance. Small but a chance. There is a concert here in town in St. Louis a couple days ago in a 61-year-old woman from Chicago with her 21 year old daughter or run over and killed by a man speeding down the street in downtown St. Louis. Once again, everyone who lives here could have guessed exactly what happened and of course we were correct. The people in power are either in complete denial or they’re aware that if they try to have an honest conversation, they’re toast. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/15/24 at 10:45:42 95% of people guessed correctly what had happened at the parade immediately. Was there a chance it was something other than it was? Sure, there was a chance. Small but a chance. Ok great. Those, to me, are guesses, not credible sources. If a man in Florida claimed on Twitter that the 3 shooters were trans, would that be a reliable source? Or would that be a random guy in FL making a guess? (in this case a "guess' he makes all the time btw) When I say I do not use random statements on Twitter as a credible source, it is because anyone can make guesses online. Guesses aren't credible sources, I won't go around thinking a human is probably trans because one guy in another State said so and "the media" repeated it. He's not a credible source. People that "live there" are more credible because they are connected to the event. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/15/24 at 12:12:17 I just don't see how the why of a shooting changes anything Do the bereaved or maimed say... "Oh, well... that makes it okay then"? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 15:41:41 0727252D3027420 wrote:
Whatever but 95% of the people knew exactly what happened. Pretty credible guessing. I think I’ve read that, and who wants to be a millionaire, polling the audience was the most accurate of the three helps. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/24 at 15:50:01 7F697E637B6E63780C0 wrote:
Seriously? You don’t see WHY a shooting occurred changes or matters? So we treat car accidents exactly the same as drunk driving accidents? “Oh well, accidents happen what are you gonna do…..” If the vast vast majority of all shootings and murders occur in a clearly defined area and demographic, you’re telling me that doesn’t matter? I’m willing to bet within 2 miles of me, there are 1000 guns in houses. I’m also willing to bet absolutely none of them have ever been used in a commission of a crime. So you’re telling me you want to enact a policy that targets both areas exactly the same and you honestly expect to see change? This is what I mean. You’re afraid to just admit reality. Just say it. The vast majority of all violent gun crimes occur in a narrowly defined demographic. Why don’t you leftist want to admit that? What is it that prevents you from speaking the truth. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/16/24 at 06:19:22 Whatever but 95% of the people knew exactly what happened. Pretty credible guessing. I think I’ve read that, and who wants to be a millionaire, polling the audience was the most accurate of the three helps. I'd agree here, with the exception of calling guessing "credible" when the guess comes from a human with absolutely no knowledge of the event, and always guesses the same way. That's called bias, not educated guessing. You bring up a good point so I brought in another company to assist with researching Twitter and Facebook posts. A preliminary evaluation on Twitter posts specific to gender reference regarding the Lakewood shooter trends towards 92.432% believing the shooter is not trans. Most people would guess a human female with a child shooting in a church is not a trans human. That's what the data I have says anyway. Yours may be different, I will look at it if you can provide reference. A third branch that specializes in website comments sections has similar but not verified results. They have a 94% "not trans" assessment at this time. Would the Lakewood shooter be an exception to the guessing method? Or is this a case where the guessing is wrong and the one guy who never knew the shooter, that claimed she was trans, is more correct than the larger majority? This one post can be tracked forward and the amplification, can literally be seen. Websites simply copied, didn't "guess" just copied the trans claim and of course social media spread it because all you have to do is hit one button to do it. So, if most humans are guessing the Lakewood shooter is not trans, research shows she is not trans, her family, friends, criminal and medical records show she is not trans, but one guy in Florida says she is - should we go with that one guy because websites, politicians and followers copied his post? If so, why? He's in the minority by far. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/16/24 at 06:21:57 A shooting by a gang of thugs. Will never be as powerful as a school, theater, church, etc, shooting. All over this Nation the Gang, Thugs, Drive by, Turf war, etc shootings. Which deaths and injuries, occur far, Far, FAR more than School (etc) Deaths and injuries. Will be, ignored, and if connected to something else, greatly downplayed. The UL Media, and the DFI, WOKE, Fairy Dust Sprinklers will see to that. Because, very few care. Very few care when Thugs & Gang Bangers get killed. NONE of the FDS WOKE DFI’s call for ENFORCING CURRENT LAWS But little Jonnie or Janie School (etc) shooting, OMG, The Sky Is Falling !!!!!!! The UL Socialists Jump on the bandwagon Ban Guns and Remove Freedom. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/16/24 at 07:22:32 6645785B5942454C2B0 wrote:
Does Mn know he's arguing my point? I don't think so |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/16/24 at 10:13:26 Would the Lakewood shooter be an exception to the guessing method? When I first heard this story about a shooter in Houston, them being tranny never crossed my mind. It wasn’t until I saw a link to a news conference where a spokesperson for Houston said a bunch of ridiculous and puzzling comments that sounded like he was trying to avoid saying this person was a woman pretending to be a man. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/16/24 at 10:19:25 I'd agree here, with the exception of calling guessing "credible" when the guess comes from a human with absolutely no knowledge of the event, and always guesses the same way. That's called bias, not educated guessing. Not sure. One thing to consider is people generally comment on topics they’re familiar and knowledgeable on with despite not personally being present. When I heard about the details of Chiefs shooting, I “knew” what had happened and I was right. That’s wasn’t bias, that was based on having lived in KC for a while and knowing who goes to big events like that. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/16/24 at 11:35:21 "When I first heard this story about a shooter in Houston, them being tranny never crossed my mind" That appears to be, from my research, the norm. The majority consensus would be the Lakewood shooter is not trans. When I heard about the details of Chiefs shooting, I “knew” what had happened and I was right. That’s wasn’t bias, that was based on having lived in KC for a while and knowing who goes to big events like that. So you have a connection to the event, or at least experience, so you were making an educated guess based off those things. A man in Arizona with no knowledge of events in KC, having never been there, that always says every shooter he sees on the news is trans, is bias. He's making uneducated guesses that are nothing more than repeating the same thing, so really they aren't even guesses. Again this doesn't mean the Lakewood shooter is not trans, it just means there is no credible evidence of it at this time. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by thumperclone on 02/16/24 at 13:06:26 sexual orientations androsexual homosexual bisexual asexual pansexual demisexual queer why all this transexual phobia? |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Eegore on 02/16/24 at 13:21:15 why all this transexual phobia? I don't see any "phobia" here. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/16/24 at 13:51:48 7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
Please tell All of us. WHEN DID YOU EVER, champion enforcing CURRENT Laws ! WHEN DID YOU EVER, champion EDUCATION about Firearms and safety ! WHEN DID YOU EVER, champion, 'Good Guy with a Gun' ! WHEN DID YOU EVER, school the DFI, FDS, UL, Socialists when they think punishing law Abiding CITIZENS, will stop, DFI's ! WHEN DID YOU EVER, school the DFI's that tried to STEAL Hunters 4473, so his ILLEGAL possession of a firearm could not be proven. Clearly was NOT making YOUR point that 'gasp GUNS' are evil. The point CLEARLY was, many broadcast 'media' and their 'darlings', ignore the MAJORITY of 'gang bang' type shootings, and go NUTS on the Minority of other shootings, working to Ban Guns and Remove Freedom. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/24 at 04:44:41 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
Honestly, this whole thing started when a Houston Police Department spokes person answered a question with a Kamala Harris style word-salad of an answer which left reporters with the impression she was trans because in previous documentation the name Jeffrey was used. As it turns out from what I’ve read that might have been a misinterpretation of her Spanish name. Having said all that, with the recent mass, random shootings from trans people, it wasn’t that big of a leap to connect the two after the spokes person seemed indicate that. Regardless, the story is gone now, because it wasn’t a white male, somehow connected to Trump or affiliated with anything or one who could be even remotely connected to what I keep being told is the single biggest threat to America, white supremacist. Mind you, we are on a record pace for murders here in St. Louis so far in 2024 and not a single one has been a white man killing someone because of their race, but President Puddin insist on telling me that’s the number one threat to the country. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by Serowbot on 02/17/24 at 07:13:24 6A585F4E49584F705C4F563D0 wrote:
How many trannies? ::) |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/24 at 08:26:44 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
How many trannies? ::) [/quote] Random mass shootings? None that I know of. Black on black crime with guns used in violation of existing gun laws? Vast majority. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/18/24 at 16:31:04 Here’s a good example Eegore. Just hearing about two officers and paramedic killed in Burnsville, MN. I’ve have no idea what that place is. I read it’s a suburb of Minneapolis but Ferguson is a suburb of St Louis so that in and of itself doesn’t tell you anything. But, if the shooter is white and if by any stretch of the imagination he can be attached to Trump, Republicans or NRA, the story will be about the shooter. But if not, the story will only be about the victims. See Chiefs parade as an example. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/18/24 at 18:32:04 0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
Burnsville, South Suburb. About, 60% white skin, 40% mixed other. Of the 60%, about 30% of that is, 'Trailer House Trash' (In Apartment Buildings, and crowded row houses) It USED to be nice, 'Regular' place that was freely visited by out of towners. Now, many parts are a, |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by WebsterMark on 02/19/24 at 04:46:33 ……and the narrative will be about the gun. The shooter won’t experience the Rittenhouse effect for two reasons: 1) he’s dead and 2) he couldn’t have been linked to Republicans at all. Clever leftist will dodge the obvious conflict which is apparently the killer was a convicted felon so couldn’t legally own a gun and his petition to renew that was denied so however he got the gun, was illegal. While normal people will conclude more gun laws aren’t the answer and perhaps we should focus elsewhere, clever leftist will sneak gun confiscation language into the conversation because how else could this had been prevented? And despite the mother of Michigan school killer Ethan Crumbley being convicted of manslaughter for murders her teenage son committed, what are the odds the parents of the KC teens arrested for murder at the Chiefs parade will be investigated and perhaps tried? Zero. |
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Title: Re: Lakeside …. Post by MnSpring on 02/19/24 at 06:10:48 "... leftist will sneak gun confiscation language into the conversation ... ... the narrative will be about the gun ... ... leftist will dodge the obvious ... ... couldn’t legally own a gun ..." 'could NOT posses a firearm', will be TOTALLY Ignored. Oh Wait, someone want's PROOF ? OK Proof is the POTUS's Son, who told DADDY, to save his butt, and DADDY sent the SS to STEAL the PROOF, that he could NOT Owen/Posses/Buy a gun. And now that everyone knows about the proof, STILL Nothing is done about it) A-Yep !!!!! The UL, DFI, told what to do, Socialistic, Fairy Dust Sprinklers, do NOT CARE one IOTA, who is killed. As long as they can convince people to BAN GUNS, by removing Freedom, by NOT ENFORCING, current law. |
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